From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #591 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, March 2 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 591 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Joni's Voice (smoking!) ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Joni and Stills (and Judy) now NJC [David Eoll ] njc, JT's One Man Band ce soir, Herbie tomorrow, etc. [Patti Parlette ] NJC Obamas experience [missblux@googlemail.com] ObyeO, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: njc, Kalo mina! [Em ] Re: NJC Obamas experience [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Joni with other artists [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni with other artists ["L.Bruce Vaughn" ] RE: Hillary or Barack, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni with other artists [Monika Bogdanowicz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:44:25 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni's Voice (smoking!) I used to smoke. For a long time. As a consequence I have COPD and about 60% of my lung capacity left. I also sing, and in the years since I quit smoking, my voice is a lot better than it was when I smoked. Wanting to continue singing and breathing finally became more important than smoking. It is hardly ignorant to say that smoking has not improved Joni's voice. Smoking is a powerful addiction, and guess what? It's bad for your health. The last Joni Mitchell album I really liked a great deal was Turbulent Indigo. I do not share the enthusiasm of some for BSN or Travelogue. But I don't feel that I have to harangue them because they disagree with me. But those taste preferences are unrelated to the question of whether smoking is bad for your voice. I find your tone perplexing Eric. What am I being accused of here simply because I don't share your opinions? Laziness? Being stuck in the seventies? I don't get it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 14:45:46 -0500 From: David Eoll Subject: RE: Joni and Stills (and Judy) now NJC > From: "Richard Flynn" > Subject: RE: Joni and Stills (and Judy) now NJC > > I second the recommendation of "Just Roll Tape" (those Stills demos) > and I also love that Judy Collins album "Who Knows Where the Time > Goes" (which led me to Fairport Convention). "First Boy I Loved" led > me to the Incredible String Band version, so the last verse isn't > literally about Judy and Stephen. Unlike Joni, Judy was more of an interpretive artist, rather than a singer-songwriter. In fact, I don't think she published an original song until her 7th album, Wildflowers. I guess it is a testament to her brilliance as an interpretive artist that I didn't realize that First Boy I Loved wasn't her song. It sounds sooo personal when she sings it. And she has another original song on that album that she wrote about her father, so I just assumed First Boy was another Judy original. It sounds like the kind of song she'd write. Wow. Fooled me. Still, I can't help but believe that when she sang that last verse she was thinking of Stephen, and judging from his response on guitar he probably felt the same way. While on the topic of Judy's interpretive brilliance, I simply have to say that she is my favorite interpreter of Dylan. Which says a lot considering how many people have covered Dylan over the years. (and this coming from a huge Byrds fan) Mr. Tambourine Man is probably my favorite Dylan song, and Judy's version is my favorite version of it. She does a Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues that is sparsely arranged with harp and woodwinds. Sweet and beautiful. I've heard storys that Dylan was totally smitten with Judy (same as everybody else) back in the Village days, and would sit there mesmerized as she sang. He must have felt such pride to hear that voice that he loved singing his songs. Which reminds me, there's a YouTube of Judy singing Pete Seeger's Turn, Turn, Turn on Pete's TV show in the mid-60s. And at the end you can hear Pete say, a little choked up, how proud he was. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:02:49 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, JT's One Man Band ce soir, Herbie tomorrow, etc. Some upcoming blue TV screen light specials: James Taylor's One Man Band will be on PBS's "Great Performances" starting tonight for all Boston Jims and SoBs. Check out your local listings and catch a video here: http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/shows/jtaylor2/index.html Some stations will be repeating the wonderful Pete Seeger special, too, so click around. (You know no one's going to show you everything! ) JT also has his tour schedule up on his website www.jamestaylor.com. He's going all over the place. Man, he's gonna make a lot of money before he quits this crazy scene! He's going to Europe (maybe he'll go to Amsterdam, maybe he'll go to Rome -- yeah, he is!), Oh Canada, and the U.S., ending up on August 1st at the Santa Barbara Bowl. By the way, that movie Bonneville that I was yammering about the other day? That is supposed to end up in Santa Barbara, too, just like my own best road trips. (Hi, Kate!) Love, Patti P. P.S. Don't forget Herbie on the CBS Sunday Morning Show tomorrow. Think there will be a Joni mention? ; ) P.P.S. Ellen Page (Juno) is hosting SNL tonight, where they say there is sure to be a mention of Hillary's mentioning SNL. I'm sorry for all of you in Indonesia, Australia, NZ, etc., who won't get any of the above. We'll share what we can. xoxo _________________________________________________________________ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 13:33:22 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Hillary or Barack, njc Hi Kate, I don't think it was just trusting Bush but rather trusting the whole military in the investigation for weapons of mass destruction. Hillary was for looking for these; I was too. The authorization of war would have been needed if these were found. So, with the vote we were in position if necessary. I most likely would have voted like Hillary. It is only in hindsight now that we see this vote wasn't good. And, Hillary admits that. The respect of the office of the president regardless of who the president is plays a role in the decision process of those who vote to authorize war if needed. Not all information can be disclosed so it is always by a form of trust that these things must be dealt with regardless of who the president is. We have to protect our country. We all know now the problem came with Bush not giving the inspectors time to finish the job nor caring what the UN thought. Bush got us where we are today; not Hillary. As for Barack, he has a relatively current history of voting for funding the war and a history of not condemning it for over a year. And, he also wasn't for timelines for getting us out until more recently. This is not to be discounted if you are looking for a candidate with a perfect record concerning the war. Love, Laura >Kate wrote: > > Laura, yes you are absolutely right- it has been full of > deception. I don't > consider myself that politically knowledgeable certainly > not compared to > those who hold a seat in congress, but I can't remember > a time when I ever > trusted Bush. I relate to those among our leaders who have > consistently > held a similar view. There are a few of them thank > goodness. > > So I have a very difficult time believing that many in the > legislative > branch felt he deceived them. There was information out > there by very > respected & experienced people who warned us not to > invade Iraq. There was > a lot of history & knowledge about Iraq & other > countries that would serve > as a warning bell. There was a lot of knowledge about the > very fringe > agenda of those who were advising Bush. Either the people > who voted for the > war are naove or ignorant or they were not bothering to do > their homework > or, the more likely thing- they were too afraid to stand up > against the > president & republican majority in order to protect the > future of their > political career. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 22:57:06 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC Obamas experience Hi Monica, you said: i...can only HOPE, HOPE, HOPE with the little experience he has, he'll be able to do what needs to be done...able to face opposition and get past it...fight for America....within America....let other countries fend for themselves. Let's fix America before we start telling other countries how to run their country. - --- I don' really understand this concern with Obama's experience; you are making it sound like he was a mere teenager! Sure, he has not been a president before, but most other presidents haven't either. Sure, Hillary has more experience with the White House, but it is not as if that is a prerequisite for becoming president of the united states that you have that sort of experience. It is possible that he has less of a political career behind him (but he seems to have more experience than George Bush, but I guess that's what we all hope for!) but he IS senator, so its not like he doesn't know his whereabouts in Washington. As far as I can see, he will be 47 years old when / if he becomes president. So were Bill Clinton and JFK. I just wonder if the Clinton campaign is making it look like only someone who has been at least married to a president should take up that office...? Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:33:27 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: ObyeO, njc I just heard 3 conservative Republican women in Ohio are going to vote democrat for Hillary in the primary. That surprised me! Maybe they aren't as anti-Hillary as everybody is saying. Their reasoning is they would be more comfortable with her as president than with Barak because she is tried and true. They also want the democratic race to go on because they think it isn't good for the party. I can see that. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 15:48:05 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: njc, Kalo mina! you're gonna need an ocean.. of kalo mina lotion! :P Em - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > Kalo mina! > > That's what a redneck on a Grecian isle says on the first day of a > new month. Happy New Month! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:21:40 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC Obamas experience Well, Obama does have quite a bit less experience than Clinton. That isn't saying anything that isn't true. I didn't mean to imply that he has NO experience but that he does have little experience. He is obviously very intelligent. I suppose there are no *real* qualifications for a President. I would imagine the more politically active you are, the better. The more in touch with foreign relations, the more you've proposed or tried to propose in Congress, etc etc. I hate to say it but having a husband in the White House does count as some experience. Hillary Clinton was there by her husband's side in the White House. It wasn't as if she just sat by, baked him cookies, washed his laundry, nodded and smiled as a first lady, you know what I mean? She did get some White House experience. It does give her an advantage though this isn't the tiebreaker. She was in the environment, aware, and I'm sure she learned a thing or two. But you do make a good point. There is no prerequisite for becoming President. However, coming out of school, I have learned or more or less seen that EXPERIENCE is key. Often college students hear, "you need more experience" or "you need experience" or "3-5 years experience needed", etc etc. I don't see how running a country should be any different! I am learning experience is valuable, hence why I am working at a radio station that isn't of my interest in content nor what I want to do ideally (but a means to an end!). -Monika missblux@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Monica, you said: i...can only HOPE, HOPE, HOPE with the little experience he has, he'll be able to do what needs to be done...able to face opposition and get past it...fight for America....within America....let other countries fend for themselves. Let's fix America before we start telling other countries how to run their country. - --- I don' really understand this concern with Obama's experience; you are making it sound like he was a mere teenager! Sure, he has not been a president before, but most other presidents haven't either. Sure, Hillary has more experience with the White House, but it is not as if that is a prerequisite for becoming president of the united states that you have that sort of experience. It is possible that he has less of a political career behind him (but he seems to have more experience than George Bush, but I guess that's what we all hope for!) but he IS senator, so its not like he doesn't know his whereabouts in Washington. As far as I can see, he will be 47 years old when / if he becomes president. So were Bill Clinton and JFK. I just wonder if the Clinton campaign is making it look like only someone who has been at least married to a president should take up that office...? Bene - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Joni with other artists I'm taking a break from some political chatter to talk about one of my favorite subjects, Joni Mitchell! Anyhow, some on the JMDL were discussing Stephen Stills' appearances on Joni's records (and Joni's on James Taylor's and so forth). This being said, what is your favorite Joni appearance on someone else's song? She's been courteous enough to lend her vocals to other peoples' records...so? -Monika - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:11:07 -0700 From: "L.Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: Joni with other artists Monika, For me it would be her unexpected appearance on Seal's 1994 album on the track If I Could. It was unexpected for me since I didn't read the pre-publicity for the album or liner notes before listening to it and when her voice came into the track I think my exact reaction was "sh.t that's JONI!" and after playing the track about 5 times... "Damn that's good!". Bruce > I'm taking a break from some political chatter to talk about one of my favorite subjects, Joni Mitchell! Anyhow, some on the JMDL were discussing Stephen Stills' appearances on Joni's records (and Joni's on James Taylor's and so forth). This being said, what is your favorite Joni appearance on someone else's song? She's been courteous enough to lend her vocals to other peoples' records...so? > -Monika > > >--------------------------------- >Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:16:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Hillary or Barack, njc Hi Laura (hope nobody is getting sick of this yet!) >I most likely would have voted like Hillary. It is only in hindsight now that we see this vote wasn't good. And, Hillary admits that. < Many people did have foresight to advise against this vote. I would have voted against it. I was totally against it then which has nothing to do with hindsight now. The predictions of people who KNEW from experience that invading Iraq would be a horror show were accurate. >Bush got us where we are today; not Hillary.< Bush & those who gave him the authority by voting are all accountable. > As for Barack, he has a relatively current history of voting for funding the war and a history of not condemning it for over a year. And, he also wasn't for timelines for getting us out until more recently. This is not to be discounted if you are looking for a candidate with a perfect record concerning the war.< I'm not at all looking for perfect as there is no such thing IMO. However I am looking for a strong candidate that can win by a wide margin (in case of 'voter inaccuracies"). As far as the earlier candidates, Kucinich's record is far closer to my beliefs but he never had enough support to be a serious candidate. I supported Obama from the beginning but truthfully did not expect him to be an electable candidate. I'm thrilled at how many are voting these days. If he is getting support from a wide diversity of voters, I believe he may be able to do the same with the legislative branch. Peace, Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 20:16:49 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni with other artists Oh, I forgot to say (though I myself thought of live performances while typing my question) feel free to include your favorite live (not just album songs) songs that Joni lent her vocals to (ex: to Johnny Cash songs on his show, on a James Taylor song live at a concert, etc). That'll give you even more to choose from if you'd like! -M - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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