From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #583 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, February 25 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 583 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "River" and other ramblings and ravings... (long) now smoke NJC [Eric] Re: meanderings, was: salutations [Bob Muller ] Re: meanderings, was: salutations [Bob Muller ] RE: health insurance, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: NJC health care [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Pink Floyd njc [Victor Johnson ] Herbie ["Jerry Notaro" ] O my what the hill + vice pres. njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: O my what the Hill, njc [Monika Bogdanowicz ] RE: health insurance, njc [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Shine on and on and on [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: MOJO [Jeannie ] Re: MOJO/Barack [Jeannie ] Re: MOJO/Hucklebee [Jeannie ] Re: meanderings, was: salutations [David Eoll ] Academy Award - NJC ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: meanderings, was: salutations [Michael Paz ] Re: Academy Award - NJC [Michael Paz ] Health care (njc) [] Re: NJC health care [] Re: njc Health Care [] RE: Health care (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 03:14:14 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: "River" and other ramblings and ravings... (long) now smoke NJC Victor, u describe our plight better than i possibly can! >>I installed and refinished high-end custom hardwood floors for two years and near the end of that time, I was so sick I could hardly breathe. It took well over a year to even feel remotely healthy again. The sawdust, the polyurethane and Minwax stains really did a number on me.<< o V Take this experience & times it by 6.6 billion people! What affects me most now, after a long lifetime dealing with these poisons, is formaldihide (from fabric softeners to purfume to glues to the worst culprit i have experienced ~ high-density particle board mainly from China.) i feel sorry for the Chinese that must work for a few cents an hour to provide us spoiled-rotten Americans for the cheap shit at Wallmart! Joni is SO right when she sings 'We have poisoned everything / and oblivious to it all" If i were Joni i would have replaced DDT with formaldahide in BYT07 but it doesn't rhyme..... i am just so glad the world has a genius like Joni to WAKE US UP to what is really going on! May i take this moment to restate how much i LOVE SHINE!!! Now i can die somehow knowing that our generation wasn't a total flop. i swear Joni is the return of Quetzalcoatl. i would add Christ but Bono has that category wrapped up. & i'm sure that die-hard Christians & Zapotecs will think i'm totally nuts. but not everyone is STUPID o god i am afraid of what this post will produce so i probably won't log in for a few days or weeks. Meanwhile i am relishing Radiohead's IN RAINBOWS!!! Now i really need a breath of the Great Spirit....... ET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:30:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: meanderings, was: salutations I have made this point myself, David - I think it's an amazing song and contains some of Joni's finest lyrical imagery. Had she put it on her debut, or on Clouds, it would have gotten the attention that BSN did. Perhaps she was afriad that since George Hamilton IV and Tom Rush had already recorded it that it wouldn't be thought of as 'her' song. (it's initial release was as the B-side of the "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" 45 single, and it was also included on the initial release of Blue but of course was removed along with "Hunter"). Thanks to Kakki, I heard the Crosby-Nash cover of UFG a long time ago. It, like darn near every one of the 55 or so versions I have. Just got one this week, in fact - a resurrected live recording of Fred Holstein, Live at the Earl of Old Town in 1969. Even given the fact that she didn't high-profile the song herself, it is her 8th-most popular cover, which I think says a lot about the quality of it. Bob NP: Bruce, "Candy's Room" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 05:49:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: meanderings, was: salutations Let me fix that sentence... It, like darn near every one of the 55 or so versions I have, is really pretty. Bob NP: JJ Cale, "Things Ain't Simple" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:26:10 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: RE: health insurance, njc Kay wrote: I think that "mandating" coverage nationwide and putting the burden on the consumer (i.e., charging fines to those who refuse to "participate") is patently insane, and is exactly the kind of government control that so many people (rightly) fear. Hi Kay, When I heard Hillary talk about health insurance, she said those who could not afford it would be supplied with it through a government plan. This is where her plan is truly universal. The penalty comes with not signing up for it when it is there for the taking. It reminds me of the seat belt law. They are in all cars and if people don't wear them they can get a ticket. It a proven incentive although not perfect. Health care doesn't only include care for you when you are sick but just as importantly includes regular check ups that can knip dangerous conditions in the bud for adults as well as children. Having the ability to pay for health insurance and choice of a particular provider is a good thing as is having a government provided health insurance plan for those who couldn't afford insurance otherwise. This is what Hillary's health care plan provides... both choice of a provider as well as universal coverage by picking up those who can't pay for insurance. Everybody can have health insurance under Hillary's plan. I'm very impressed with this. Mandating signing up isn't a bad thing in my opinion, especially where children are concerned. A mandate would be insane if health insurance wasn't provided for those who couldn't afford it. Hillary wouldn't be so stupid as to mandate it and not provide it accordingly. Do you think it is insane to mandate it even when it is provided universally? It is in the best interest of society, not just the individual, for all to be covered especially considering the benefits of prevention of serious illness that can come with regular check ups. This is a good thing. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 15:29:32 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: NJC health care Hi Kakki, ill be supershort! (Incidentally, I've got a virus too!) Let me just say that I have a lot of reverence for US mentality, even if I just described it as each man for himself. I was looking for the English equivalent of a Danish proverb: Each man is the smith of his own fortune. I find the US totally fascinating, and I love some of the things that are different from where I come from. As for freedom, I absolutely see the point in freedom of choice. On the other hand, reading people's posts describing all the different sorts of cover they've had at different stages of their lives it strikes me that the system is very complicated, and that it must restrict people's freedom that they need to think about health insurance each time they change career. I've moved in and out of this country, I've been working and unemployed, and never had to do anything about health insurance other than specify which doctor I wanted when I moved into a new municipality. So maybe we have less choice, but we have less hassle and worries as well. Anyway, now I sound like I think the US sucks again, sorry... :-) Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:47:05 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Pink Floyd njc > NP: Radiohead IN RAINBOWS (i haven't felt this satisfied since Pink > Floyd's Meedle) Meedle is a great album...I love the guitar work of David Geemore. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:11:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Herbie Next week's music profile on CBS Sunday Morning! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 12:29:40 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: O my what the hill + vice pres. njc A thought: maybe the most important part of this paticular election is the vice president who is chosen. . \ I mean, you never know what can become of a vice president. . future president. . a future leader ~ _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:06:58 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: meanderings, was: salutations This comment suddenly made me wonder if there is any recording of Joni and Judy singing together. One putting on a harmony to the other's melody. I have never heard of such a recording. Does anyone know if there is one? Joni did sing with Joan Baez on 'Dida' which I always thought was a wonderful combination, especially when the 2 voices met and sang in harmony. But I don't know of any album of Joni's where Judy does a back-up or harmony or a Judy Collins album with a guest appearance from Joni. Does such a thing exist? Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Eoll" > I'm sure Judy was adding some lovely harmonies to whatever Joni was > playing. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:24:11 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: O my what the Hill, njc Hello there. I will put my two cents in. I do believe there is probably a greater number of people who loathe Hillary Clinton (and are passionate about it) than those who loathe Barack Obama. But there are MANY Clinton supporters who I see on the net or personally know or have run into (such as a cashier and customer talking Clinton vs. Obama and favoring Clinton). I just don't think Hillary Clinton's supporters are as star eyed or fanatical as Barack Obama's supporters. There really is an essence of "hero worship" for him which can just as well can be a good thing as it can be a bad thing. However, I have ran into those who absolutely will not vote for Barack Obama. So much so that these people are considering voting Republican if Obama does get the Dem. spot (but a vote for McCain is a vote for a never ending war and more lives lost!). Peoples' reasons differ but essentially there are supporters and "loathers" of both Clinton and Obama. All in all, what I have essentially learned from this race for the White House is that politics brings out the "cuckoo" in people. I realize this is a bit off topic from what we were discussing beforehand but I just had to mention this. Since all these campaigns have started I have seen people who are otherwise grounded, intelligent, reasonable human beings show off their "cuckoo" side when talking politics. It is quite a change. -Monika Laura Stanley wrote: Bob wrote: .....many Republicans who LOATHE Hillary will come out to vote against her... Hi Bob, I disagree that there will be more Republicans voting if Hillary is the nominee than if Obama is the nominee which is the implication from what you say above. If particular Republicans have strong sentiments against Hillary, they are most likely politically active in the first place and will be voting regardless of who is the Democratic candidate. And, more Republicans will be voting in November than did so in the primaries period. I'm an Independent, a swing voter, and am solidly for Hillary for many reasons, one being she is not Bill Clinton who I never voted for. I admire Hillary because she is a strong woman with a great peace about her and is very intelligent and able to do what she says she will do. If she becomes the new president, we will see an incredible change in the office of the presidency... more so in my opinion than if Obama becomes president. I'd like to see this happen. I know Democrats who are enthusiastic about Hillary and say they won't vote for Obama if he is the candidate similar to those you mention who are enthusiastic about Obama and won't vote for Hillary. I can't say for sure I will vote for Obama. But, this is now not November when the rubber will hit the road. The race between Hillary and Obama is so close because both are aligned on the issues so it makes it hard for voters to choose between them. A race like this as it progresses is about the issues and more about "who do you like" for the voters. Yet for the party the race is always about "who can win the general election." In November, the overall thrust of the race will be more about the issues again because of the stark contrasts between the Democrats and Republicans. Whom ever loses the Democratic nomination will appeal to their former supporters on behalf of the winner. Obama will be for Hillary or Hillary will be for Obama. If Hillary asks me to vote for Obama, I can't see myself turning on Hillary and not doing so. If Obama's supporters are truly enthusiastic toward him and he asks them to vote for Hillary, I have no doubt they will. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:39:11 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: RE: health insurance, njc The "fines" are simply there to help the regular taxpayer so coverage overall doesn't get raised because people decide to sign up for health insurance late (which btw Obama plans to make some sort of fine for signing up late with his plan though he hasn't decided how or when to execute it). It would be a good, swift kick in the ass to get yourself into gear, obtain health insurance, and is only beneficial to you. By not getting the health insurance which would be required you're only hurting yourself, yes financially as you'd be fined, but really more so possibly physically when you discover you have become ill and didn't get the insurance when it was neccesary to do so. Health insurance is EXTREMELY important. It shouldn't be optional. Why should it be? Laura provided a very good example of getting a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt. A perfectly avoidable consequence which only serves to HELP you in the future. It's the same with car insurance. It is illegal to drive a car without car insurance and you are penalized when you get pulled over and don't have anything to show. Sure at the time this is a drag but it only better serves you. Doesn't a good ol' piece of paper that people stick by say that people have the right to life, liberty, and happiness? Life/your health shouldn't be optional. There are those who even if you make health insurance attainable (and affordable) but not mandatory won't get it--they hate doctors, aren't sick, are too busy to do so, just are natural procrastinators and keep putting it off, excuses, excuses (people make excuses not to vote which I see no reason for either!). That's all! There is not really any sort of vicious intent behind Hillary Clinton's health insurance plan as many try to invent that intent. She aims to make it affordable according to your income so God forbid something horrible happens you don't end up in the hospital thinking about how your and your family are going to pay off the thousands of dollars of medical bills because you have no health insurance... -M, who very much would like have health insurance again someday... Kay wrote: I think that "mandating" coverage nationwide and putting the burden on the consumer (i.e., charging fines to those who refuse to "participate") is patently insane, and is exactly the kind of government control that so many people (rightly) fear. Hi Kay, When I heard Hillary talk about health insurance, she said those who could not afford it would be supplied with it through a government plan. This is where her plan is truly universal. The penalty comes with not signing up for it when it is there for the taking. It reminds me of the seat belt law. They are in all cars and if people don't wear them they can get a ticket. It a proven incentive although not perfect. Health care doesn't only include care for you when you are sick but just as importantly includes regular check ups that can knip dangerous conditions in the bud for adults as well as children. Having the ability to pay for health insurance and choice of a particular provider is a good thing as is having a government provided health insurance plan for those who couldn't afford insurance otherwise. This is what Hillary's health care plan provides... both choice of a provider as well as universal coverage by picking up those who can't pay for insurance. Everybody can have health insurance under Hillary's plan. I'm very impressed with this. Mandating signing up isn't a bad thing in my opinion, especially where children are concerned. A mandate would be insane if health insurance wasn't provided for those who couldn't afford it. Hillary wouldn't be so stupid as to mandate it and not provide it accordingly. Do you think it is insane to mandate it even when it is provided universally? It is in the best interest of society, not just the individual, for all to be covered especially considering the benefits of prevention of serious illness that can come with regular check ups. This is a good thing. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 11:03:28 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Shine on and on and on This is purely speculation but do you think Shine will last and be thought of very fondly 20 years+ down the road? An essential in Joni's catalog or something someone can take or leave in the future? What do you think? I was just wondering since there are those of Joni's albums that have grown in respect with time whereas at the time of release were only appreciated by a minority (such as Hejira).... -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 13:52:32 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: MOJO Greetings, Eric and Everybody! Eric, your "words" always wash and balance me just as Joni does, especially when I feel so alone in this world. Even though we've been influenced splendidly by Joni and we quote her with conviction and pride because we know she's all about truth, there's still absolute originality in your thoughts and words. Thanks there, Eric! Anyway, back to Barack and Hillary. I understand clearly how Joni may be torn between Hillary and Barack because I am, too, often, throughout the day (I relate to Joni in so, so many ways, because there is no bending of profound truth). Anyway, after your "satellite" post a few weeks ago, Eric, I was deeply moved and I gave up on watching TV and answering every call on my cell phone for awhile. I didn't even know about the Grammy Show. A friend of mine called me early the Monday morning after the Sunday awards to tell me about Herbie's win and what I thought about it. I was still sleepy and all I could answer is that recognition of Joni's odes on a bottle of holy wine are long overdue. I told him in Spanish, because he's Argentine, "It's similar to what Joni and Warren Zevon sing about, Augusto. How can you stop a hard rain from fallin'? How can you stop the wind from blowin'? It's time this sad, shattered world of ours with all of it's foibles know what Joni's all about and yet, try to catch a fistful of that rain! Joni's like the rain! Joni es como una lluvia llena de lagrimas y alegrias que lavan y balancean." Well, again back to Hillary and Barack! I can't help but love Hillary, but yet, I understand why in high school they called her, "Ms. Frigid-Aire," and she's got the guts and balls that it would be hard for most men to even compare, but listening to her talk about Ba rack the way she did a while ago in Rh ode Island, I realize she can be mean, man! She thinks Ba rack is living in a world made up of fantasy and words and hearing "Amens" from the upstairs choir. And what I hear is hope. Something new for my soul concerning the fate of our country ever since Richard Nixon. I looked right into Ba rack's eyes, face to face, and how I wish I could have look into Hillary's eyes and spoken to her when she was here in San Antonio. She got down, man...she went walking door to door down by Wood lawn Lake and I could have been there..she put up with Bill when he put his pants down and took it all like a champ. But, breaking away from the the politics that are too old and cold and settled in their ways, now, is difficult. I want to know if I would feel the same looking into Hillary's eyes as I did when I looked in Ba rack IBM's eyes. And now, Ralph Nader, of whom I have also met and spoken to in a small session group at UT SA back in 2003 or 2004, appreciate, but do not completely trust why he wants in again, wants to throw his hat into the ring?!? I've wondered for a few years if he's not getting bought and sold by certain Republican groups. Looking into his eyes was like looking into one of my History Professor's eyes of whom I appreciated. Nothing more, nothing less. I told him to never give up with truths and never stop giving us his insight and wisdom---but here, at this point, I don't understand what he's trying to accomplish by running again after he may have messed up it up for Al Gore in Florida winning against the Bush/Cheney war machine. BTW, I like McCain and Hackable, personally, but certainly not politically. They're good people and not evil like those political monsters we've had to deal with these past eight years. Hackable makes me laugh in a good way, all of the time, with his facial gestures and bodily movements---he's cool in that manner. McCain takes me back to the time when I was very young and feel the swords of sorrows piercing my heart with the Vietnam War prisoners of war---I thank God he made it back, after being wounded and coming out of it all like a true American champ, but who politically is too old and cold and settled in the old, out-dated ways. Well, talk to y'all later. Gonna focus in on Cuba, hoping Ba rack ABM will meet up with Raul Castro without conditions and with the preparations needed to make that little island south of Florida blossom after so many unfair sanctions imposed on an innocent people. Love, Jeannie Eric Taylor : Sorry i'm so slow but i am MINDBLOWN by the 01/08 MOJO First i loved Joni hovering over Radiohead with a b&w photo headlining MY GENERATION BLEW IT! She is SOOOO correct as usual! As a Baby Boomer who never gave up on world peace & environmentalism i am SO GLAD that there are a few people like Joni unafraid of telling it like it is. The word i would use to describe my sorry generation is self-absorbed. i only hope that ye neo-hippies GET IT!!! It's not about how much we can get. It's all about how much we can give. The religious right think it's all about tax-deducted charity (o charity!) But honestly the distracted left is far too divided by self-centerd interests. Conservatives are in lockstep with an agenda of fear & evermore fear. Liberals still fight over the meaning of "progresive" & stupidly let the greedy right wing to ruin our world because frankly we are apparently WIMPS! The Beast showers us with technology like the UPC, GPS & WMD & we multitudes seem SO happy with this reckless bullshit. Do we even think before we leap anymore? Have we ever??? Does it somehow make us feel safe that satellite technology is increasingly bombarding us with micrwaves in the name of progress? May i remind us that the Romans believed lead water pipes were a good idea. & the Mad Hatters thought mercury-lined top hats were a good idea. o geez, this question illustrates why liberals don't get elected. & also why Joni is SO dismissed as an artist. Again i apologize for being such a Joni fanatic. But our Lady of Heart & Mind has shaped my worldview is SUCH a profound way! So who should I vote for? i think that Joni is torn between Obama & Hillary. i am likewise torn. ET NP: Radiohead IN RAINBOWS (i haven't felt this satisfied since Pink Floyd's Meedle) ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:45:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: MOJO/Barack I don't know why after sending my post, Barack's name became separated with a space, becoming Barack. That's strange! Maybe it was spell check thing. Anyway, when I saw Barack, the crowd was tangibly united and full of a purity amongst people like it was when I saw Joni up on Austin back in the early 80's. I went to the concert with a Middle-Eastern friend who was attending UtAustin and being Middle-Eastern at that time was not cool for the citizens of the United States and when we showed up at the Joni concert, many of his fellow students came up to him, full of coolness supreme and hospitality for showing up to a Joni concert and he was sooo happy and he was blown away with Joni. He said there would be no strife between our countries if there were more American citizens like Joni Mitchell. I said she was Canadian. He said, "Ahhh, no wonder!" He thought she was the most beautiful blue-eyed, blond-haired woman he had ever lay eyes on and he's still her fan back in his country and his sister told me around Christmas told me he loves, 'Shine,' and was playing it for his two sons who are barely into their twenties. Now, that's art! Barack shook my hand without making eye contact the first time he came my way. Then he came back and took my right hand with his left hand and we connected for those few moments and I told him, "God bless you, Barack," and he looked at me, as if he was taken aback, his eyes full of something that's for real and he smiled so sweet and free. It was a very beautiful feeling. We clenched hands like a brother and sister full of compassion and the determination to make the needed changes and time stood still with truth prevailing over us for a few seconds until he had to leave. I told him with my eyes to go full force up the hill with his crosses and he knew exactly where I was saying to him and where I was coming from...and that's the absolute truth. Tears came to my eyes, when he left, knowing the struggles ahead of him. As he went on greeting the others, a couple of the security guards were caught off guard and they were touched with our truths and we peacefully smiled at each other through the tears in my eyes . Love, Jeannie Jeannie wrote: Greetings, Eric and Everybody! Eric, your "words" always wash and balance me just as Joni does, especially when I feel so alone in this world. Even though we've been influenced splendidly by Joni and we quote her with conviction and pride because we know she's all about truth, there's still absolute originality in your thoughts and words. Thanks there, Eric! Anyway, back to Barack and Hillary. I understand clearly how Joni may be torn between Hillary and Barack because I am, too, often, throughout the day (I relate to Joni in so, so many ways, because there is no bending of profound truth). Anyway, after your "satellite" post a few weeks ago, Eric, I was deeply moved and I gave up on watching TV and answering every call on my cell phone for awhile. I didn't even know about the Grammy Show. A friend of mine called me early the Monday morning after the Sunday awards to tell me about Herbie's win and what I thought about it. I was still sleepy and all I could answer is that recognition of Joni's odes on a bottle of holy wine are long overdue. I told him in Spanish, because he's Argentine, "It's similar to what Joni and Warren Zevon sing about, Augusto. How can you stop a hard rain from fallin'? How can you stop the wind from blowin'? It's time this sad, shattered world of ours with all of it's foibles know what Joni's all about and yet, try to catch a fistful of that rain! Joni's like the rain! Joni es como una lluvia llena de lagrimas y alegrias que lavan y balancean." Well, again back to Hillary and Barack! I can't help but love Hillary, but yet, I understand why in high school they called her, "Ms. Frigid-Aire," and she's got the guts and balls that it would be hard for most men to even compare, but listening to her talk about Ba rack the way she did a while ago in Rh ode Island, I realize she can be mean, man! She thinks Ba rack is living in a world made up of fantasy and words and hearing "Amens" from the upstairs choir. And what I hear is hope. Something new for my soul concerning the fate of our country ever since Richard Nixon. I looked right into Ba rack's eyes, face to face, and how I wish I could have look into Hillary's eyes and spoken to her when she was here in San Antonio. She got down, man...she went walking door to door down by Wood lawn Lake and I could have been there..she put up with Bill when he put his pants down and took it all like a champ. But, breaking away from the the politics that are too old and cold and settled in their ways, now, is difficult. I want to know if I would feel the same looking into Hillary's eyes as I did when I looked in Ba rack IBM's eyes. And now, Ralph Nader, of whom I have also met and spoken to in a small session group at UT SA back in 2003 or 2004, appreciate, but do not completely trust why he wants in again, wants to throw his hat into the ring?!? I've wondered for a few years if he's not getting bought and sold by certain Republican groups. Looking into his eyes was like looking into one of my History Professor's eyes of whom I appreciated. Nothing more, nothing less. I told him to never give up with truths and never stop giving us his insight and wisdom---but here, at this point, I don't understand what he's trying to accomplish by running again after he may have messed up it up for Al Gore in Florida winning against the Bush/Cheney war machine. BTW, I like McCain and Hackable, personally, but certainly not politically. They're good people and not evil like those political monsters we've had to deal with these past eight years. Hackable makes me laugh in a good way, all of the time, with his facial gestures and bodily movements---he's cool in that manner. McCain takes me back to the time when I was very young and feel the swords of sorrows piercing my heart with the Vietnam War prisoners of war---I thank God he made it back, after being wounded and coming out of it all like a true American champ, but who politically is too old and cold and settled in the old, out-dated ways. Well, talk to y'all later. Gonna focus in on Cuba, hoping Ba rack ABM will meet up with Raul Castro without conditions and with the preparations needed to make that little island south of Florida blossom after so many unfair sanctions imposed on an innocent people. Love, Jeannie Eric Taylor : Sorry i'm so slow but i am MINDBLOWN by the 01/08 MOJO First i loved Joni hovering over Radiohead with a b&w photo headlining MY GENERATION BLEW IT! She is SOOOO correct as usual! As a Baby Boomer who never gave up on world peace & environmentalism i am SO GLAD that there are a few people like Joni unafraid of telling it like it is. The word i would use to describe my sorry generation is self-absorbed. i only hope that ye neo-hippies GET IT!!! It's not about how much we can get. It's all about how much we can give. The religious right think it's all about tax-deducted charity (o charity!) But honestly the distracted left is far too divided by self-centerd interests. Conservatives are in lockstep with an agenda of fear & evermore fear. Liberals still fight over the meaning of "progresive" & stupidly let the greedy right wing to ruin our world because frankly we are apparently WIMPS! The Beast showers us with technology like the UPC, GPS & WMD & we multitudes seem SO happy with this reckless bullshit. Do we even think before we leap anymore? Have we ever??? Does it somehow make us feel safe that satellite technology is increasingly bombarding us with micrwaves in the name of progress? May i remind us that the Romans believed lead water pipes were a good idea. & the Mad Hatters thought mercury-lined top hats were a good idea. o geez, this question illustrates why liberals don't get elected. & also why Joni is SO dismissed as an artist. Again i apologize for being such a Joni fanatic. But our Lady of Heart & Mind has shaped my worldview is SUCH a profound way! So who should I vote for? i think that Joni is torn between Obama & Hillary. i am likewise torn. ET NP: Radiohead IN RAINBOWS (i haven't felt this satisfied since Pink Floyd's Meedle) ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 14:51:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: MOJO/Hucklebee Sorry, I just read my previous post and do not know how Hucklebee became Hackable. How can it be? These mispellings are happening on their own! Love, Jeannie Jeannie wrote: Greetings, Eric and Everybody! Eric, your "words" always wash and balance me just as Joni does, especially when I feel so alone in this world. Even though we've been influenced splendidly by Joni and we quote her with conviction and pride because we know she's all about truth, there's still absolute originality in your thoughts and words. Thanks there, Eric! Anyway, back to Barack and Hillary. I understand clearly how Joni may be torn between Hillary and Barack because I am, too, often, throughout the day (I relate to Joni in so, so many ways, because there is no bending of profound truth). Anyway, after your "satellite" post a few weeks ago, Eric, I was deeply moved and I gave up on watching TV and answering every call on my cell phone for awhile. I didn't even know about the Grammy Show. A friend of mine called me early the Monday morning after the Sunday awards to tell me about Herbie's win and what I thought about it. I was still sleepy and all I could answer is that recognition of Joni's odes on a bottle of holy wine are long overdue. I told him in Spanish, because he's Argentine, "It's similar to what Joni and Warren Zevon sing about, Augusto. How can you stop a hard rain from fallin'? How can you stop the wind from blowin'? It's time this sad, shattered world of ours with all of it's foibles know what Joni's all about and yet, try to catch a fistful of that rain! Joni's like the rain! Joni es como una lluvia llena de lagrimas y alegrias que lavan y balancean." Well, again back to Hillary and Barack! I can't help but love Hillary, but yet, I understand why in high school they called her, "Ms. Frigid-Aire," and she's got the guts and balls that it would be hard for most men to even compare, but listening to her talk about Ba rack the way she did a while ago in Rh ode Island, I realize she can be mean, man! She thinks Ba rack is living in a world made up of fantasy and words and hearing "Amens" from the upstairs choir. And what I hear is hope. Something new for my soul concerning the fate of our country ever since Richard Nixon. I looked right into Ba rack's eyes, face to face, and how I wish I could have look into Hillary's eyes and spoken to her when she was here in San Antonio. She got down, man...she went walking door to door down by Wood lawn Lake and I could have been there..she put up with Bill when he put his pants down and took it all like a champ. But, breaking away from the the politics that are too old and cold and settled in their ways, now, is difficult. I want to know if I would feel the same looking into Hillary's eyes as I did when I looked in Ba rack IBM's eyes. And now, Ralph Nader, of whom I have also met and spoken to in a small session group at UT SA back in 2003 or 2004, appreciate, but do not completely trust why he wants in again, wants to throw his hat into the ring?!? I've wondered for a few years if he's not getting bought and sold by certain Republican groups. Looking into his eyes was like looking into one of my History Professor's eyes of whom I appreciated. Nothing more, nothing less. I told him to never give up with truths and never stop giving us his insight and wisdom---but here, at this point, I don't understand what he's trying to accomplish by running again after he may have messed up it up for Al Gore in Florida winning against the Bush/Cheney war machine. BTW, I like McCain and Hackable, personally, but certainly not politically. They're good people and not evil like those political monsters we've had to deal with these past eight years. Hackable makes me laugh in a good way, all of the time, with his facial gestures and bodily movements---he's cool in that manner. McCain takes me back to the time when I was very young and feel the swords of sorrows piercing my heart with the Vietnam War prisoners of war---I thank God he made it back, after being wounded and coming out of it all like a true American champ, but who politically is too old and cold and settled in the old, out-dated ways. Well, talk to y'all later. Gonna focus in on Cuba, hoping Ba rack ABM will meet up with Raul Castro without conditions and with the preparations needed to make that little island south of Florida blossom after so many unfair sanctions imposed on an innocent people. Love, Jeannie Eric Taylor : Sorry i'm so slow but i am MINDBLOWN by the 01/08 MOJO First i loved Joni hovering over Radiohead with a b&w photo headlining MY GENERATION BLEW IT! She is SOOOO correct as usual! As a Baby Boomer who never gave up on world peace & environmentalism i am SO GLAD that there are a few people like Joni unafraid of telling it like it is. The word i would use to describe my sorry generation is self-absorbed. i only hope that ye neo-hippies GET IT!!! It's not about how much we can get. It's all about how much we can give. The religious right think it's all about tax-deducted charity (o charity!) But honestly the distracted left is far too divided by self-centerd interests. Conservatives are in lockstep with an agenda of fear & evermore fear. Liberals still fight over the meaning of "progresive" & stupidly let the greedy right wing to ruin our world because frankly we are apparently WIMPS! The Beast showers us with technology like the UPC, GPS & WMD & we multitudes seem SO happy with this reckless bullshit. Do we even think before we leap anymore? Have we ever??? Does it somehow make us feel safe that satellite technology is increasingly bombarding us with micrwaves in the name of progress? May i remind us that the Romans believed lead water pipes were a good idea. & the Mad Hatters thought mercury-lined top hats were a good idea. o geez, this question illustrates why liberals don't get elected. & also why Joni is SO dismissed as an artist. Again i apologize for being such a Joni fanatic. But our Lady of Heart & Mind has shaped my worldview is SUCH a profound way! So who should I vote for? i think that Joni is torn between Obama & Hillary. i am likewise torn. ET NP: Radiohead IN RAINBOWS (i haven't felt this satisfied since Pink Floyd's Meedle) ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ~nj~ - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:29:12 -0500 From: David Eoll Subject: Re: meanderings, was: salutations Mark Scott wrote: > This comment suddenly made me wonder if there is any recording of Joni > and Judy singing together. Hmmm... that's interesting. I don't know. Joni typically overdubs her own harmonies. At least that's what my ears are telling me. Judy's is usually the only solo voice on most of her recordings. If there are any exceptions, they're not coming to mind. I'm most familiar with Judy's work up through 1969 and Joni's through 1979. I know they've performed together on stage: http://www.altmanphoto.com/joni_judy_joan.html And I'm sure they had numerous opportunities to play with each other informally, besides the tree house, since they were both in the CSN "family". At the very least their recorded works have 2 degrees of separation w.r.t collaboration through Stephen Stills, who has made numerous appearances on both women's albums (he was Judy's boyfriend for awhile). Most notable, to me, is his accompaniment on guitar on Carey. Its so subtle that it was years before I even noticed it. I just happened to be listening to Blue with headphones one day, and there he was, over in the left channel, unmistakably Stephen. Joni's playing the dulcimer, or whatever the instrument was that she played on most of Blue, and Stephen comes in after a few seconds, playing his inimitable finger-picked whatever-you-call-it style of acoustic guitar. He is such a consummate guitar player that he just absolutely blurs the distinction between rhythm and lead guitar playing. And it works just beautifully on that song, and so subtle that I, a rabid Stills fan, didn't notice it for over a decade. I think he took special care* not to crowd Joni on her own record, even though I think he could blow anybody out of the water on acoustic if he wanted. But, the man is an artist, and tasteful as hell, so he just did his job, adding some lovely shadings to a fantastic Joni masterpiece. Peace, David Eoll * that's a Stills reference for those that care ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:54:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Academy Award - NJC How wonderful that Falling Slowly won Best Song from Once. Sometimes the cream really does rise to the top! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 21:48:57 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: meanderings, was: salutations Spoken like a TRUE record producer. Best Paz (after a LOOOOOONG week) NP-Music from Enchaneted on the O's Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Feb 24, 2008, at 7:30 AM, Bob Muller wrote: I have made this point myself, David - I think it's an amazing song and contains some of Joni's finest lyrical imagery. Had she put it on her debut, or on Clouds, it would have gotten the attention that BSN did. Perhaps she was afriad that since George Hamilton IV and Tom Rush had already recorded it that it wouldn't be thought of as 'her' song. (it's initial release was as the B-side of the "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" 45 single, and it was also included on the initial release of Blue but of course was removed along with "Hunter"). Thanks to Kakki, I heard the Crosby-Nash cover of UFG a long time ago. It, like darn near every one of the 55 or so versions I have. Just got one this week, in fact - a resurrected live recording of Fred Holstein, Live at the Earl of Old Town in 1969. Even given the fact that she didn't high-profile the song herself, it is her 8th-most popular cover, which I think says a lot about the quality of it. Bob NP: Bruce, "Candy's Room" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:09:05 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Academy Award - NJC I liked this song alot too. Best paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:54 PM, Jerry Notaro wrote: How wonderful that Falling Slowly won Best Song from Once. Sometimes the cream really does rise to the top! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:45:35 -0800 From: Subject: Health care (njc) Kate, I wasn't thinking about HIPAA. Have you heard the news in the past couple of days about the huge judgment against Health Net here in California? They cut off chemo to a woman here in L.A. right in the middle of her going through treatment for cancer. They claimed they could do this because she did not disclose pre-existing (non cancer related) conditions when she applied for the insurance. The ruling against Health Net was based precisely on the "bad faith" law here that I was recalling. That law in California went in about 4 years before the 1996 HIPAA law. I was somewhat relieved by this news story that my recollection was on point. If HIPAA resolved the issue back in 1996 why are others here still having a problem with being excluded or charged more because of pre-existing conditions? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 22:59:07 -0800 From: Subject: Re: NJC health care Hi Bene, > Anyway, now I sound like I think the US sucks again, sorry... :-) No, not at all! Our problems with the whole health insurance system here are so complex and complicated that there is no easy answer. We know something has to be done but it is all so entrenched at this point that I can't see how it will be easily unraveled. I can see that in countries like yours, you went with the system and worked with it. It has been in place for a long time and you have the opportunity to only improve upon it rather than deal with nightmare situations on many levels. You didn't have the huge diverse populations and other factors such as millions of different laws among states and federal, cost-busting lawsuits and mismanagement to contend with on the same scale. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:11:39 -0800 From: Subject: Re: njc Health Care Call me naive, but I thought it wasn't just the Republicans but most of Congress (which is majority Democrat) who passed the prescription drug program. People were clamoring for years for the program for seniors. The program is very good for the poor and I thought that is who everyone ultimately was thinking of when they passed it. If you are low income and have no property, you pay a very, very low amount for coverage. My mom is low income but does own her house so she doesn't qualify for the lowest monthly charge. It is still better than what she would pay otherwise, however. I know WalMart is considered part of the evil empire but they (and I think a few other of the "big box" stores) only charge $4.00 per prescription for most medicines. Have you've tried going there for your prescriptions? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:16:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Health care (njc) Kakki, I don't know about the law you are talking about. I do know that it is important to disclose any health information when applying for insurance or you risk loosing your insurance. As self insured folks we did that. It sounds like this woman's story is similar to some in MM's Sicko which I have not seen yet. Kate >Kate, I wasn't thinking about HIPAA. Have you heard the news in the past couple of days about the huge judgment against Health Net here in California? They cut off chemo to a woman here in L.A. right in the middle of her going through treatment for cancer. They claimed they could do this because she did not disclose pre-existing (non cancer related) conditions when she applied for the insurance. The ruling against Health Net was based precisely on the "bad faith" law here that I was recalling. That law in California went in about 4 years before the 1996 HIPAA law. I was somewhat relieved by this news story that my recollection was on point. If HIPAA resolved the issue back in 1996 why are others here still having a problem with being excluded or charged more because of pre-existing conditions? Kakki< ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #583 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------