From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #582 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, February 24 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 582 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC health care [] Re: njc Health Care [] DJRD and Shine [Russell Bowden ] Re: SJC Who would Joni support (Obama or Clinton) [] Re: one last mention of Mojo [Laura Stanley ] NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... [Bob Muller ] RE: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: njc Health Care ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Herbie on Jay Leno tonight ["Dan Olson" ] Re: njc Health Care ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: njc Health Care ["Kay Ashley" ] Re: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Joni & James at Royal Albert Hall [Bob Muller ] Re: Herbie on Jay Leno tonight ["Randy Remote" ] Health Care, njc [Dflahm@aol.com] njc Health Care [mia _ ] Re: O my what the Hill, njc [Laura Stanley ] meanderings, was: salutations [David Eoll ] Re: "River" and other ramblings and ravings... (long) now smoke NJC [Eric] Re: "River" and other ramblings and ravings... (long) now smoke NJC [Vict] MOJO [Eric Taylor ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:04:59 -0800 From: Subject: Re: NJC health care Hi Bene, > I am sure that custom plays a major role. As for the size of the > nation, I don't think it has to be unmanageable in the US, after all > you have states. Yes! I was pondering the whole issue today and I also was thinking that if we do want more government control then it should be done on a local state basis exactly because it would be more manageable (and therefore more effective, efficient, more service oriented) than to have some huge Federal behemoth control it remotely! > I suspect that it is very much a question of mentality. US mentality > is more about each man building his own fortune. Denmark has grown > from a nation mainly of poor peasants where everybody relied on each > other and had to stand together. Obviously, US mentality predicts that > people will think each person should look after his own health care, > the Danish one predicts that people would want society to be in > charge. I imagine some Americans will feel that the nation is going to > grow weak if everything was provided by the state? Beyond the cliches and ideology I think that a part of US mentality is very motivated to keep as free as one can. It's not about making all the money for oneself, but it could be to make enough money to be independent and therefore not dependant on an impersonal bureaucracy for your survival. Same as with health care. People want to have as much indivdual choice as they can because that goes with revering freedom, even if it is just the freedom to make your own choices on health care. It doesn't mean that it is every man for himself. Because those who love and revere freedom would naturally and somewhat selfishly want every one else to be free, too, rather than slaves, whether that slavedom be semi-literal or actually literal. When some fall down, so may all. We have this tradition and belief on what our country was founded on. Freedom from tyranny, inalienable civil rights, freedom to choose and pursue one's life with miminal interference from "authority." We are supposed to be governed by the people for the people, not governed by a few who decide for us. It's just a concept and ideal that many Americans adhere to. And we were mostly built and much of our culture here has been developed exactly by peasants and poor immigrants. > But he should not have to put up with is if he has paid his insurance! I do agree with that, too! > But didn't the insurance companies introduce that sort of policies years > ago? I have not experienced it. I am not charged more or denied treatment because I smoke. But yes, some private insurance to individuals will charge you more if you smoke or have other bad habits. But I have never heard of people being denied treatment because of it. Thanks for the discussion, Bene. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 00:31:41 -0800 From: Subject: Re: njc Health Care Hi Kay, This will be my last post for now because I don't want to take up more bandwidth and bore people ;-) But you have made some good points for thought and I wanted to respond. > Personally, I would like to see the > name of the insurance plan you refer to, because I have some friends > here in NY who could really use it. I will check into it the next few days and let you know. I would get you the info now but have had a really long work week while conbating a bad virus. But I will look it up for you and maybe it can help others - or maybe I will find that the prospects are no longer so rosy! > But do you see the irony here and > the inconsistency in your anti-government control argument? Laws are > enacted by the government. That means government control, so, clearly > we already *have* government control. No, I don't find it inconsistent. There are good laws and bad laws. Doesn't mean there should be no laws. I am a bit of a libertarian but not one of the far right ones who want to completely dismantle government! > California has a better safety > net than New York and has better consumer protection re: health > insurance *because of laws passed by representative government.* The > problem is that government control doesn't go far enough and is > inconsistent from state to state, and there isn't a federal standard > to keep the states in line. Government control of access to health > coverage already exists in the U.S., it just doesn't benefit everyone > in its current form. And that's what needs to change. I totally think things should change and improve. I just strongly do not believe leaving it up to total Federal oversight. That scares the hell out of me. Incremental overhaul where needed is fine if it is wise and smart. Total throw the baby out with the bathwater "BIG" government radical overhaul just doesn't seem intelligent at all to me on many levels. > As I said in my original post, if you haven't lived it, you just don't > know. I > believe that access to health care is an area where class lines should > not exist. I probably have missed your original point on this. However, I think I *have* lived through many different experiences with and without health care to also have a good overview. I was poor and barely employed and had state provided care. I worked as a temp and had no insurance. I left a job along with the insurance to go back to school and had to find my own health insurance for several months. I also have paid a lot for PPO and not a lot for HMO plans. I think I have it covered. One more thought I had from your previous post - when you didn't have insurance did you ever try to get insurance from your local musicians union or guild? I know a lot of musicians out here who have their coverage through that system. Don't know the cost of that, hidden or otherwise, but recall hearing they get a pretty good deal. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:06:34 -0800 From: Russell Bowden Subject: DJRD and Shine Gang, Senator...I know DJRD, and believe me, Shine is no DJRD. More later on Shine....Need to listen to it a few hundred times more. First impression...I've heard these songs before on other albums/CDs. Nuts about the opening piano solo. DJRD....Exquisite. Love, Russ _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:36:04 +0000 (GMT) From: Subject: Re: SJC Who would Joni support (Obama or Clinton) I'm 99.9% sure Joni is not a U.S. citizen. And, as for who she would support, (blasphemy warning) I don't care. However, if I were writing some music and wanted an opinion, I'd want hers (among others). She did support McGovern in 1972, but I sometimes think it had more to do with her (then) social group, including JT. No proof on that one, tho' And to clarify one point you made, Patti P - Caroline Kennedy has *never* supported any candidate publicly before. So that's a big deal. I may have mentioned this before, but Madeleine Albright's book "Memo to the President Elect" is a very timely read. She offers all sort of practical advice, based in real experience. The book is peppered with interesting anecdotes about past (and present) presidents and administrations. A worthwhile book - especially right now. And (daring to be blasphemous again), I find the whole cult of personality thing to be pretty annoying, yet pervasive in United States culture. You might be shocked to hear me say that I don't really care about meeting Joni. I have been inspired by her music for many years. But, actually, I wouldn't have a clue what to talk to her about.) I think we're seeing the same sort of emphasis on the person instead of the work or message wrt Obama. I support him completely. But what I find inspiring is the fact that he inspires others. Hopefully voters (and U.S. Americans in general) will realize that this isn't about him. It's about them. Obama's web site has a quote to that effect. To me, that's a healthy thing. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 05:54:34 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: one last mention of Mojo Monika pointed out: Joni said her music is "like a river, constantly changing." Of course she also said that sometimes it is still and deep and sometimes it is a raging waterfall. Hi Mon, Thanks for drawing my attention to this. It is beautiful! Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 06:53:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... http://cdbaby.com/cd/djtriad2 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:08:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... So how is it, Bob? Nasty Jerry Bob Muller wrote: > http://cdbaby.com/cd/djtriad2 > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:31:34 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: O my what the Hill?, njc Hi Ya'll, What is going on? This is what I think... We have two democratic candidates who want to change things in regard to the issues in a virtually identical way. If either knocks the other's idea of what change is they shoot themself in the foot because both candidates are so aligned on issues. For this reason, both candidates have been very careful in what they say about what the other says about the issues. The similarities in the candidates, two people with the same ideas for change beyond the Bush administration, is why we have such a close race. Also, change in persona seems equally weighted between the two adding to why it is a close race. We have a woman married to a former president running against a black/white man who has one American parent and one foreign parent. Each of these are unprecedented. What seems to be the difference is the mode of operation for invoking the same changes as defined by the virtually equal stands on the issues. Who can do this successfully beginning with winning in November of this year? Who is the most electable candidate in THAT race and therefore the best candidate for the democratic party? The numbers give us no clear answer, and from what I've seen in the predictions, there is a chance they won't even up to the convention. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:46:23 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... More info here: http://www.tritriadproductions.com/erotic_music_about.html And a sound sample: http://www.tritriadproductions.com/TheRhythmOfRandBSample.mp3 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:54 AM To: JMDL Subject: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... http://cdbaby.com/cd/djtriad2 ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:58:07 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... Wie Bob Muller so vortrefflich formulierte: > http://cdbaby.com/cd/djtriad2 Cool ;) There is also a MySpace page http://www.myspace.com/orgasmicmusic which I checked because I don't have a CDbaby account and could not view the page without logging in. moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 08:17:14 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: O my what the Hill?, njc The way I see it, sometimes McCain just can't win it...that is to say, I don't think that it will MATTER, either one can beat him in November. However, I have talked to lots of co-workers, friends, etc who would vote for Obama but would NEVER vote for Clinton, for whatever reasons they have, and that's not going to change. I think one of the reasons that Obama won so handily in SC (and that the Dem turnout was 90,000 votes stronger than the Repubs) was that a slew of Repubs voted in the Dem Primary and felt compelled to cast an anti-Hillary vote. (The Republican and Democratic primaries were on different days, and anyone can vote in either but not both). I haven't seen the anti-Obama sentiment AT ALL compared to the anti-Clinton sentiment. All that being said, I still believe that she will win in November should she get the nomination (though I hope she doesn't). And like Obama said Thursday, there's no shortage of ideas between the two candidates, and most of them are good and certainly better than the mess that we've had to endure. The difference (and I think he succinctly made the point several times) is deciding who has the ability to bring people together to make change. All the good ideas in the world mean nothing if you can't turn them into legislation and reach agreement, plus he doesn't have her ties to special interests and PAC's that he will be beholden to. Another factor is going to be the Senate elections - an Obama candidacy would most likely mean a higher turnout and could mean a difference of (6) or more additional Senate seats gained, which of course would translate into a greater majority and getting more things done more quickly. Personally, I will vote for either one, but I KNOW that I don't speak for a lot of people. Should Hillary get the nomination, many Democrats who were/are inspired by Obama (especially the HUGE numbers of young voters) will stay home, and many Republicans who LOATHE Hillary will come out to vote against her. I don't see how that is a good thing and I think it's the major distinction between the two. Bob NP: Shanti, "A Case Of You" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:40:04 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: njc Health Care Kakki, I'm sorry about your Mom's medical costs but happy to hear her doc is helping her out that way. Rant- The pharma industry is way too wealthy & influential in our country. BTW, one of the top recipients of their money has been the decider guy in the white house. Then there are the financial incentives the industry uses to persuade doctors to recommend their products to patients. The whole thing is deeply corrupt. Kate "If you have ever wondered why the cost of prescription drugs in the United States are the highest in the world or why it's illegal to import cheaper drugs from Canada or Mexico, you need look no further than the pharmaceutical lobby and its influence in Washington, D.C. According to a report by the Center for Public Integrity, congressmen are outnumbered two to one by lobbyists for an industry that spends roughly $100 million a year in campaign contributions and lobbying expenses to protect its profits." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/29/60minutes/main2625305.shtml Kakki >Her medicines cost several hundred dollars a month because they are special and not generic. She is lucky to have a good and kindly doctor who saves bags of samples for her and supplies her with them for free every few months.< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:59:05 -0600 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: Herbie on Jay Leno tonight The vocalist was Luciana Souza (who sings "Amelia" on "River"); I prefer the Corinne Bailey Rae vocal on "River" on "River". It looked like Larry Klein on electric bass (there was no closeup or mention); I hated to see Herbie appearing to be freindly with Bill O'Reilly at the end of the show. np: "River" on "River" On 2/22/08, Randy Remote wrote: > > Just saw it-they did "River"-didn't catch the vocalist's name > but she weren't very good ...still glad for Herbie's success > (and Joni's). RR > > > Performance from the CD "River: The Joni Letters" > > rosie > On 2/22/08, RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > > Performance from the CD "River: The Joni Letters" > > rosie > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. > ( > http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:00:03 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: njc Health Care The law is a federal one & changed the health care industry significantly (I worked for a hospital a few years ago & it was at the top of the list for employees to understand & abide by. HIPAA as they call this legislation, guarantees patient privacy to all regarding their health history). Big bad governmental control passed during the evil Clinton presidency :~} Kate Here is some basic info: "In 1996, Congress passed a law known as the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act or HIPAA (also known as the Kassebaum-Kennedy Act), which went into effect on July 1, 1997. HIPAA was designed to allow employees to move freely from one job to another without the risk of becoming uninsured for their most serious health problems. HIPAA also has protections for individuals who move from group plans to an individual health plan. In California, there are additional protections for members of group health plans that go beyond the requirements of HIPAA." http://www.calpatientguide.org/v.html >I'm not an expert and may need to do some research. I am not thinking of a plan per se but I believe California changed the law about 15 years ago or so where you cannot deny health coverage because of pre-existing conditions. Now it may be only for when one applies for company-provided health insurance but I don't think so (because the law should apply to all).< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:19:01 -0500 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Re: njc Health Care Hi Kakki, thanks for the reply -- and also in the interest of keeping bandwidth low, I'll *try* keep it short. Clearly this is a challenge for me! ;-) On all your points: heard -- I understand your point of view. I also believe in incremental, wise change (I happen to think that expanding Medicaid falls under this category, while I'm sure others disagree); this is why (along with the war issue) I don't support Hillary, despite feeling very guilty about not voting for a female candidate. I think that "mandating" coverage nationwide and putting the burden on the consumer (i.e., charging fines to those who refuse to "participate") is patently insane, and is exactly the kind of government control that so many people (rightly) fear. I find Obama's middle-of-the-road approach to be more realistic, and a "good start." Re: insurance through musicians' unions and PROs (BMI, ASCAP, etc.), at least in NY, those plans are more expensive than what the Freelancer's Union offered, and I couldn't afford that either. I'm sure that in other states, the musicians' union plans are more reasonable because of state laws. BTW, the plan you mentioned with the $125/month premium and the $5k deductible -- I'm not sure I would have opted for that even if I'd had the option. The $5k deductible is huge for a single person who can only afford a premium like that. I did end up having to go to the ER a couple of times with severe asthma attacks while uninsured, and it's worth noting that my bills were significantly less than what I would have paid per year had I opted into the Freelancer's Union plan. So, it looks like we've both experienced health care from both sides now. As you point out, there are charitable programs that one can find, of course; but these vary from state to state and even city to city and hospital to hospital. It's good that they are there; however, I don't think that the existence of such safety nets for low income people means that our system is working well. This is what I mean by class lines -- why should a poor person have to work so hard to discover these programs? While I was still in Maine, I did benefit from a low income program, but i found out about it through word-of-mouth. I think it's wrong that poor people should have to jump through so many hoops to get basic care that wealthier people take for granted. I just happen to believe that in a modern, wealthy, powerful nation, equal access to health care should be considered a human rights issue. And I think that we already have a system in place (Medicaid) that could help everyone without coverage and without adequate coverage, through a relatively simple shifting of chips on the table. Kay On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 3:31 AM, wrote: > Hi Kay, > > This will be my last post for now because I don't want to take up more > bandwidth and bore people ;-) But you have made some good points for > thought and I wanted to respond. > > > > Personally, I would like to see the > > name of the insurance plan you refer to, because I have some friends > > here in NY who could really use it. > > I will check into it the next few days and let you know. I would get you > the info now but have had a really long work week while conbating a bad > virus. But I will look it up for you and maybe it can help others - or > maybe I will find that the prospects are no longer so rosy! > > > > But do you see the irony here and > > the inconsistency in your anti-government control argument? Laws are > > enacted by the government. That means government control, so, clearly > > we already *have* government control. > > No, I don't find it inconsistent. There are good laws and bad laws. > Doesn't mean there should be no laws. I am a bit of a libertarian but not > one of the far right ones who want to completely dismantle government! > > > > California has a better safety > > net than New York and has better consumer protection re: health > > insurance *because of laws passed by representative government.* The > > problem is that government control doesn't go far enough and is > > inconsistent from state to state, and there isn't a federal standard > > to keep the states in line. Government control of access to health > > coverage already exists in the U.S., it just doesn't benefit everyone > > in its current form. And that's what needs to change. > > I totally think things should change and improve. I just strongly do not > believe leaving it up to total Federal oversight. That scares the hell out > of me. Incremental overhaul where needed is fine if it is wise and smart. > Total throw the baby out with the bathwater "BIG" government radical > overhaul just doesn't seem intelligent at all to me on many levels. > > > > As I said in my original post, if you haven't lived it, you just don't > > know. I > > believe that access to health care is an area where class lines should > > not exist. > > I probably have missed your original point on this. However, I think I > *have* lived through many different experiences with and without health care > to also have a good overview. I was poor and barely employed and had state > provided care. I worked as a temp and had no insurance. I left a job along > with the insurance to go back to school and had to find my own health > insurance for several months. I also have paid a lot for PPO and not a lot > for HMO plans. I think I have it covered. > > One more thought I had from your previous post - when you didn't have > insurance did you ever try to get insurance from your local musicians union > or guild? I know a lot of musicians out here who have their coverage > through that system. Don't know the cost of that, hidden or otherwise, but > recall hearing they get a pretty good deal. > > Kakki > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KAY ASHLEY ~ Singer-Songwriter http://www.kayashley.com http://www.myspace.com/kayashley http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:49:45 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... Apparently men do not make any noise. Nasty Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: "Bob Muller" Cc: "JMDL" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:08 AM Subject: Re: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... > So how is it, Bob? > > Nasty Jerry > > Bob Muller wrote: >> http://cdbaby.com/cd/djtriad2 >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? >> Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:28:48 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... This woman must spend alot on batteries! ...For her drum machine, I mean....geez, you have a dirty mind..... She also has 3 ten minute pieces you can download for free, though I think they are by another artist: http://www.tritriadproductions.com/orgasmsoundsmix.html She also has an area where you can send in your own orgasm to be posted on the net. But, like chatrooms where that hot, foul-mouthed babe might really be a 15 year old boy or a 90 year old granny, how do you know if it's real? Anyway, hardly (there you go again) a new concept; in 1969 Serge Gainsbourg and Jane Birkin released "Je t'Amie" which featured a (supposedly) live-on-mic orgasm courtesy of Birkin-and got them banned from radio, much to their publicist's delight, I'm sure. RR > http://cdbaby.com/cd/djtriad2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:01:20 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: NJC - Just when you think you've heard it all... Wie Randy Remote so vortrefflich formulierte: > Anyway, hardly (there you go again) a new concept; in 1969 Serge > Gainsbourg and Jane Birkin released "Je t'Amie" which featured > a (supposedly) live-on-mic orgasm courtesy of Birkin-and got > them banned from radio, much to their publicist's delight, I'm > sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Je_t'aime..._moi_non_plus It was #1 on the UK charts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHiMDB19Dyc (this is not the full length of the song but it is nice to see the footage from '69 anyway...) moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:37:57 -0500 From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Joni & James at Royal Albert Hall Hello All, I went to the BigO site to download the tracks (thanks for the heads-up, Patti!). Then I was customizing all the info in iTunes (the tracks on the BigO site are just named track 1, etc.), added the cover image, etc., and I thought that I should make that available to everyone here. So, I created a Stuffit archive with the full resolution MP3s in it; all the tracks are named, the composer info is there, and the cover image from the BigO site is attached to each track, for the pleasure of those with iPods. Here's the link: You can click on the following link to retrieve your File. The link will expire in 7 Days and will be available for 100 number of downloads. Link: http://download.yousendit.com/A8C5E55F4E2B5095 For those of you who need to dowload Stuffit Expander (it's free), here's the link to both Mac and Windows versions: http://www.stuffit-expander.com/stuffit-expander.html?gclid=CMPf8-SR25ECFRMEkgoddE8ycA&mv2=stuffit%2Bexpander&mv3=05 Just let me know off-list if the download becomes unavailable (only 100 downloads allowed at a time), and I'll upload it again. The *.sitx file is 99MB, so it will take a while. Have fun! :-) Kay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ KAY ASHLEY ~ Singer-Songwriter http://www.kayashley.com http://www.myspace.com/kayashley http://www.sonicbids.com/kayashley ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:55:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni & James at Royal Albert Hall Just be informed that the venue is not correct - Joni never played the Royal Albert Hall. This recording is from the Paris Theatre in London, October 29, 1970. Bob NP: Roy Buchanan, "Down By The River" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 11:30:11 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Herbie on Jay Leno tonight From: "Dan Olson" > The vocalist was Luciana Souza (who sings "Amelia" on "River"); I prefer > the > Corinne Bailey Rae vocal on "River" on "River". It looked like Larry > Klein > on electric bass (there was no closeup or mention); I hated to see Herbie > appearing to be freindly with Bill O'Reilly at the end of the show. I know! Get a room! lol...yes, I'm sure that was Larry judging from his stance and how he holds the bass. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:20:18 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Health Care, njc Kakki, you wrote: "We have this tradition and belief on what our country was founded on. Freedom from tyranny, inalienable civil rights, freedom to choose and pursue one's life with minimal interference from "authority." We are supposed to be governed by the people for the people, not governed by a few who decide for us. It's just a concept and ideal that many Americans adhere to." I believe that many people fear and suffer under "interference" from more powerful fellow citizens: those with comparatively overwhelming money, status, influence and the will to control by exerting these. For many people, government is seen as a protection against malign authority---but not "authority" in the sense of having been elected or appointed. The authority that concerns, frightens, oppresses many is the informal but no less real power of some of those who are the "winners" in our society. Competitiveness is part of human nature, but if there is, alongside it, any innate inclination toward restraint, I believe that too is worthy of respect, even reward. I think this is why I'd classify myself as a liberal. I know that elected and appointed officials can be just as corrupt and malign as a rapacious neighbor. But I think the elected and appointed are likely to be scrutinized and, if necessary, exposed sooner. DAVID LAHM **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:52:00 -0600 From: mia _ Subject: njc Health Care Kakki, this is what happens when a federal program is "privatized" and not run by the federal government: Medicare Part D - the prescription drug program. It is a huge taxpayer ripoff and an astronomical windfall for the pharmaceutical and insurance companies. The federal government is not allowed to negotiate prices, so now you have overcharging running a muck. You can thank the Republicans (including some who are now working for the bloated pig industry) for this wretched arm-twisting legislation. Watch the documentary on Frontline. It is one of the reasons why drug prices have gone up so much in the last couple of years, and I'm not just talking for seniors here, but for everyone - you and me. I can no longer afford prescriptions that used to cost me $8.00 a bottle, less than my $10.00 copay. They have been bumped up every tier level in my insurance plan, and are now dropped from my coverage. It's an out of control train wreck. The plan needs a serious do-over and s/b run by the government. Also, what your mother pays for the original government run Medicare Part A and B along with the supp insurance is still a great deal considering what she would be paying if Medicare did not exist (and would she get covered?) Mia << She also finally signed up for the recent prescription drug program through the government and even that is not so great unless one is totally indigent. Her medicines cost several hundred dollars a month because they are special and not generic.>> _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:28:50 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: O my what the Hill, njc Bob wrote: ....many Republicans who LOATHE Hillary will come out to vote against her... Hi Bob, I disagree that there will be more Republicans voting if Hillary is the nominee than if Obama is the nominee which is the implication from what you say above. If particular Republicans have strong sentiments against Hillary, they are most likely politically active in the first place and will be voting regardless of who is the Democratic candidate. And, more Republicans will be voting in November than did so in the primaries period. I'm an Independent, a swing voter, and am solidly for Hillary for many reasons, one being she is not Bill Clinton who I never voted for. I admire Hillary because she is a strong woman with a great peace about her and is very intelligent and able to do what she says she will do. If she becomes the new president, we will see an incredible change in the office of the presidency... more so in my opinion than if Obama becomes president. I'd like to see this happen. I know Democrats who are enthusiastic about Hillary and say they won't vote for Obama if he is the candidate similar to those you mention who are enthusiastic about Obama and won't vote for Hillary. I can't say for sure I will vote for Obama. But, this is now not November when the rubber will hit the road. The race between Hillary and Obama is so close because both are aligned on the issues so it makes it hard for voters to choose between them. A race like this as it progresses is about the issues and more about "who do you like" for the voters. Yet for the party the race is always about "who can win the general election." In November, the overall thrust of the race will be more about the issues again because of the stark contrasts between the Democrats and Republicans. Whom ever loses the Democratic nomination will appeal to their former supporters on behalf of the winner. Obama will be for Hillary or Hillary will be for Obama. If Hillary asks me to vote for Obama, I can't see myself turning on Hillary and not doing so. If Obama's supporters are truly enthusiastic toward him and he asks them to vote for Hillary, I have no doubt they will. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 23:02:47 -0500 From: David Eoll Subject: meanderings, was: salutations > From: Eric Taylor > Aloha David! > i'd LOVE to hear what U think about SHINE! I've only listened to Shine once, and it was kind of in the background, so I haven't really developed an opinion of it yet. Like I said, I'm still digesting the post-Mingus albums. Give me a week or so, and I'll get back to you on that. :) > From: KEVIN DOHENY > Speaking of the > early Joni records I was lucky enough to get introduced to her on > vinyl and for my money they sound so much better! Besides that..I like > the action of having to get up and flip the record over...It gives you > a little time to think about what you just heard and to prepare for > side 2... And I love the puzzled look on younger people's faces when I'll refer to some song on an album as being like "side 2 track 1" or something, and I can see the little thought ballon over their heads go "side 2 ???". And I'll say, "Nevermind. Its about halfway through the CD." > From: "Barbara Stewart" > Subject: Herbie's grammy win > > profile / feature on LA Times website: > > http://tinyurl.com/ysnqfa Wow! I hadn't heard about this. I'm also a big Herbie fan. I actually got into him by way of listening to lots and lots of Miles Davis. Later I got into the Headhunters stuff. So, Joni was influenced by jazz. And now jazz is influenced by Joni. Beautiful. I wonder if the "star-making machinery" reference in the LA Times piece was deliberate. > From: mia _ > Subject: re: salutations > > People Magazine interviewed Judy Collins > around 1992 I think, about the time of her son's suicide. There wasn't > much Joni content except for the tree house photo and Judy Collins > exclaiming how crazy she was about every single song Joni ever put > out. I understand that she took a pass on recording Urge For Going. But was blown away by Both Sides Now, which I think won her a Grammy. The story that I have read is that Joni finished writing BSN at about 2:30 in the AM, and immediately called Judy up and played it for her over the phone, and made her cry. And Joni asked Judy to please record it, since Joni didn't have a recording contract of her own yet (Judy recorded BSN in 1967 and Joni didn't an album until 1968). Anyone know if that's how it went down? I have no idea why Judy wasn't as taken with Urge For Going as I am. Its one of my favorite Joni tunes. And I'm even more puzzled why Joni waited until Hits to put it on an album. It sounds like its probably an outtake from the Clouds sessions. Obviously, there's no fluff there, so something had to go. But, still, if it had been left on, it would've been one of my favorite tracks. I'm often puzzled by what artists choose to leave off their albums. One of the good things about the fact that alot of labels are rereleasing their old catalogs is that they can put these outtakes on the CD. And I'm constantly amazed by the quality of some of them in relation to some of the songs that ended up on the album. For instance, the Stones album Tatoo You was made up almost entirely of outtakes from their 70s albums. (I realize I'm venturing into non-Joni land, I'll come right back in a second) Waiting For A Friend was from the Goats Head Soup sessions, and Slave was from Black And Blue. Now, I can think of several songs I would've nicked from those albums to make room for those two songs. Those are awesome Stones tunes. Why, why, why? I guess artists have a certain idea of what they want the album as a whole to sound like? Anyway, its hard to imagine Clouds any other way than the way it is, so I guess Joni made the right choice. BTW, anyone hear the awesome David Crosby version of Urge For Going on the CSN box set? That was actually my introduction to the song, since Hits hadn't come out yet. > From: Kate Johnson > But when I was 15 she had a hit > with Help Me, and I scraped up 15 bucks to go buy the C&S album. Wow, I don't remember albums being that expensive back then. Maybe they were more expensive in Canada. > After three listens, I was hooked. Now I'm 49 and still hooked. I > love music, love singing it, hearing it, playing it. Singing, > especially with others, gives me one of the profound joys in my life. > Many singers provoke me to sing along; they move my heart or my feet. > But Joni continuously astounds my ears, as well. I have no > professional music training and cannot articulate my admiration for > what she does, but for me the songs, their lyrics and arrangements > along with her vocals and playing, are not only intelligent and > masterful but are beautifully realized evocations of life. Wish I > could explain! But of course I don't have to ... you all know exactly > what I mean. Yup. I love music. Love playing guitar (I'm not that good), I love singing (I'm even worse there), and I love dancing (two left feet). But, jeez, there's just something about music and dancing that is very ... I don't know ... human, I guess. Just about all humans do it, no matter what corner of the world they are in. Its at the core of the human experience. And Joni's a gas! I love her. > From: Monika Bogdanowicz > Thank you so much for that link. I wonder what Joni was > playing/singing and what her and Judy were talking about before that > photo was taken. They look so much at ease and I always wonder these > things about people in photos. I'm sure Judy was adding some lovely harmonies to whatever Joni was playing. But, yeah, I wonder what songs she was playing. Hmmm... the date says 1967. Something from STAS, Michael From Mountains, maybe? Judy ended up covering that song on Wildflowers, the same album as Both Sides Now. Who knows? I wonder stuff like that too. I love looking at old photos. Anyway, its been lovely chatting with you all. Be well. Love, David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:10:23 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: "River" and other ramblings and ravings... (long) now smoke NJC Catherine added >>I used to smoke but I gave it up over 25 years ago. Now I suppose being an ex-smoker is kind of like being a born-again Christian and some of us get kind of righteous. But I've got allergies with a tendency to sinus infections and bronchitis and I really don't appreciate people smoking around me. I love my younger sisters dearly but do not like to spend a lot of time with them (especially one who seems to have a cigarette permanently attached to her lip, and her husband, nice guy but always coughs like he's going to lose a lung) because I really don't want or need another round of antibiotics.<< Catherine & Kay, i felt so bad for using the NZ word that I didn't check my email for 2 days. i'm super-sensitive like Joni & i have a big mouth to boot! Just please understand that I use this term the way Seinfeld did in the hysterical Soup Nazi episode..... So let me share my story about tobacco. I increasingly chain-smoked from the age of 13 to 21 & quit cold turkey for the following 14 years, when i became an organic vegan, moved to Mendocino California & tried my damndest to live the hippy ideal. The entire time i swear that tobacco smoke never bothered me even when I was in a car as long as they cracked the windows. My partner June continues to smoke for 40 years & i rarely complained & NEVER asked her to go outside. THEN during the Reagan error tobacco suddenly became the scapegoat for pollution beginning in Beverly Hills about 1984. By 1988 i became SO disgusted with the intolerant California health kick that I started eating meat & smoking again & moved back to my hometown Pittsburgh. What i've concluded after living the hippy dream for 14 years was that i didn't feel as healthy as i did when i ate meat & smoked tobacco. 18 years later i've had the flu once & am in very good health. Now i don't intend to be a poster child for the tobacco industry but what i have learned is that the chemicals we use on a daily basis are a million times more sickening than mere cigarrettes! i became a house painter (like hitler) & 7 years ago became SO chemically sensitive that i can no longer tolerate being inside most buildings for more than an hour without feeling sick. But antibiotics only exasorbate the problem because they only weaken the immune system further. Fresh garlic, ginger, honey, sea salt & pepper have kept me healtier than anyone i know. i haven't required an antibiotic since 1992 when i got vd in Hawaii. Salt water sniffs do a MUCH better job than ANY sinus "medicine!" When i exit a typical house fuming with countless chemical "cleaners" there is nothing that helps more than lighting an American Spirit perhaps even more than breathing the increasingy polluted air. Native Americans used sacred tobacco to purify bad air & treat lung problems. Joni is EXTRORDINARILLY right-on in the MOJO interview! Our generation is SO self-absorbed that we can't even distinguish the HUGE difference between smelly herbs & poisonous chemicals. O we stupid shits!!!!!!!!!! Sorry i'm such a "Debby Downer" but let's get real people ET NP: In Rainbows (restoring my faith in the state of music) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:37:19 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: "River" and other ramblings and ravings... (long) now smoke NJC On Feb 24, 2008, at 12:10 AM, Eric Taylor wrote: > > i became a house painter (like hitler) & 7 years ago became SO > chemically sensitive that i can no longer tolerate being inside most > buildings for more than an hour without feeling sick. I installed and refinished high-end custom hardwood floors for two years and near the end of that time, I was so sick I could hardly breathe. It took well over a year to even feel remotely healthy again. The sawdust, the polyurethane and Minwax stains really did a number on me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 01:38:12 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Taylor Subject: MOJO Sorry i'm so slow but i am MINDBLOWN by the 01/08 MOJO First i loved Joni hovering over Radiohead with a b&w photo headlining MY GENERATION BLEW IT! She is SOOOO correct as usual! As a Baby Boomer who never gave up on world peace & environmentalism i am SO GLAD that there are a few people like Joni unafraid of telling it like it is. The word i would use to describe my sorry generation is self-absorbed. i only hope that ye neo-hippies GET IT!!! It's not about how much we can get. It's all about how much we can give. The religious right think it's all about tax-deducted charity (o charity!) But honestly the distracted left is far too divided by self-centerd interests. Conservatives are in lockstep with an agenda of fear & evermore fear. Liberals still fight over the meaning of "progresive" & stupidly let the greedy right wing to ruin our world because frankly we are apparently WIMPS! The Beast showers us with technology like the UPC, GPS & WMD & we multitudes seem SO happy with this reckless bullshit. Do we even think before we leap anymore? Have we ever??? Does it somehow make us feel safe that satellite technology is increasingly bombarding us with micrwaves in the name of progress? May i remind us that the Romans believed lead water pipes were a good idea. & the Mad Hatters thought mercury-lined top hats were a good idea. o geez, this question illustrates why liberals don't get elected. & also why Joni is SO dismissed as an artist. Again i apologize for being such a Joni fanatic. But our Lady of Heart & Mind has shaped my worldview is SUCH a profound way! So who should I vote for? i think that Joni is torn between Obama & Hillary. i am likewise torn. ET NP: Radiohead IN RAINBOWS (i haven't felt this satisfied since Pink Floyd's Meedle) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #582 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------