From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #554 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 31 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 554 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson [Catherine McKay ] Mississippi River Festival 1969 [Coleen ] Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Hillary, njc [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Chris Stills, njc ["Laurent Olszer" ] NJC Hey UK Internet users or computer literate people [Monika Bogdanowicz] NJC Neil Young archives news [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: NJC Hey UK Internet users or computer literate people ["Jamie's Box o] yvette in english, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: NJC Hey UK Internet users or computer literate people [Moni Kellerman] Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose ["Marian Russell" ] re:3GS/charlie rose ["joe farrell" ] re:3GS/charlie rose [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Chris Stills, njc ["Randy Remote" ] RE: NJC Neil Young archives news ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Hillary, njc [Laura Stanley ] Re: re:3GS/charlie rose ["Randy Remote" ] Re: re:3GS/charlie rose now njc [Catherine McKay ] Joni/Charlie Rose [KEVIN DOHENY ] Re: re:3GS/charlie rose now njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: NJC Hey UK Internet users or computer literate people [Monika Bogdano] Re: Joni/Charlie Rose [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni/Charlie Rose ["Marian Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:12:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Thanks Catherine for the excerpts on Joni & Vero. > > I'm with you on Vero, although i must admit that i > don't listen to her much > these days. > [...] > > I'd be interested in what else Vero has to say about > her career. I'm afraid > booze didn't help her creative juices as she really > went downhill > artistically after marrying Stills. She does talk about her alcoholism. She would drink to overcome shyness and stage fright and became hooked. She is now (or at the time the book was written) not drinking and in Alcoholics Anonymous. She talks about her marriage to Stills and it sounds very strange indeed. He was a heavy drug user and an alcoholic and would become very violent. She ran away from him but couldn't go back to France for quite a long time because of the nasty custody battle over their son. I've heard Chris Stills' music and I think he is quite good, and I can hear his father's influence in his guitar playing, but he's not a superstar (but he is very good-looking!) My daughter saw him in concert. He was touring with Mandy Moore and was in Toronto a few months ago. Seems like a strange combination - Mandy Moore and Chris Stills. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Hillary, njc I'm going to see her today! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:22:41 -0500 From: Coleen Subject: Mississippi River Festival 1969 Hi Everyone, My apologies if this has already been posted, but I found this link to a live recording of Joni's excellent performance at the Mississippi River Festival in 1969: http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities07/ARjmmissi.html I also found a link to a site that purports to be selling a DVD (1 copy available) of the BBC "In Concert" show that featured Joni. I saw this show on TV a few years ago and would love to own it, but I'm not sure about ordering from this site. If someone else would like to try it, here's the link: http://www.musicstack.com/item/158697072/joni+mitchell/bbc+in+concert+1970 Cheers, Coleen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose Nah. I personally would be very disappointed if Joni didn't give interviews anymore. -M Marian Russell wrote: I think Joni should quit giving interviews and rather spend her time channeling new music and distilling her wisdom into song lyrics for us all to enjoy. Marian - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:44:14 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Hillary, njc Oooh, let us know how that goes! Or email me personally as I'm very interested in this election/the candidates (well the Democratic ones much more so than the Republicans). -M Laura Stanley wrote: I'm going to see her today! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:37:47 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Chris Stills, njc I've heard Chris Stills' music and I think he is quite good, and I can hear his father's influence in his guitar playing, Catherine Hi I have been told the cds are OK but you know how it is in the studio and also he can hire the best side men. I saw him real up close and i can guarantee that his playing sucks big time. His piano is better, he must have spent more time with his mom than his dad. Not only that, but no talent IMO and my musician friend who was there thought the same thing. What's amazing is Chris is the exception to the genetics. More amazing is for instance how James Raymond became a fantastic musician before he even knew that Croz was his father. Laurent Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:51:54 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Hey UK Internet users or computer literate people I am trying to email my cousin, Anna, who moved from Poland to the UK recently about family matters. She had written me a letter providing her email address as annapa81@02.pl. I had thought the email address was strange as it didn't have a @something.com but I thought well maybe this is something specific to the UK or maybe she forgot the server. So does this make sense to anyone? You see, I sent an email to that address only (as I expected) to get a mailer daemon saying there was an error in sending the email. So UK users or people who know quite a bit about email servers, do you think she may have forgot a server name or something, or she typed it wrong, or what could it be? ANY HELP AT ALL (if you can) WOULD BE GREATLY, GREATLY, GREATLY APPRECIATED! -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:07:55 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Neil Young archives news http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003702875 For you Neil Young fans here... -M - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:11:49 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: NJC Hey UK Internet users or computer literate people Hello Monika.... the pl in the back of that email refers to Poland. I'm not sure how O2 (the mobile phone (and possibly broadband internet) provider) generates their email addresses but usually it is .co.pl or .com.pl I would have thought. Unless, of course out of habit she has typed in pl instead of uk.... On 30/01/2008, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > I am trying to email my cousin, Anna, who moved from Poland to the UK recently about family matters. She had written me a letter providing her email address as annapa81@02.pl. I had thought the email address was strange as it didn't have a @something.com but I thought well maybe this is something specific to the UK or maybe she forgot the server. So does this make sense to anyone? > You see, I sent an email to that address only (as I expected) to get a mailer daemon saying there was an error in sending the email. So UK users or people who know quite a bit about email servers, do you think she may have forgot a server name or something, or she typed it wrong, or what could it be? > ANY HELP AT ALL (if you can) WOULD BE GREATLY, GREATLY, GREATLY APPRECIATED! > -Monika > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:30:04 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: yvette in english, njc I have no idea why I did this, but when I made my confirmation, (catholic church) at age about 12, we had to dress up in gowns (mine was magenta) and confirm our faith or something. . . walk down the aisle in church (sorry, I am not a catholic, but I did do this confirmation. . perhaps this is supposed to confirm one's faith. . maybe they try to get you to do it before you are too old, so they can hook you. . I don't know. . . I really did not pay attention enough. . no disrespect to the catholic church) any way, what is my point? My point is that we had to choose a confirmation name . . . (also I want you to imagine me with a bruised face as I had recently fallen off my red ten speed bike and broke my front tooth and bruised up my face) so there I was in this gown and bruised face. . . quite cheerful, I might add. . . and we had to choose a name. . . and I chose Yvette, I do not know why. (the name of the church, and the school was "Our lady of Good Counsel.") XO lOve Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:33:56 +0100 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: NJC Hey UK Internet users or computer literate people Wie Monika Bogdanowicz so vortrefflich formulierte: > I am trying to email my cousin, Anna, who moved from Poland to the UK > recently about family matters. She had written me a letter providing > her email address as annapa81@02.pl. I had thought the email address > was strange as it didn't have a @something.com but I thought well > maybe this is something specific to the UK or maybe she forgot the > server. So does this make sense to anyone? You see, I sent an email > to that address only (as I expected) to get a mailer daemon saying > there was an error in sending the email. So UK users or people who > know quite a bit about email servers, do you think she may have > forgot a server name or something, or she typed it wrong, or what > could it be? ANY HELP AT ALL (if you can) WOULD BE GREATLY, GREATLY, > GREATLY APPRECIATED! -Monika See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains for a guide to all those nice addresses http://www.o2.pl/ exists. So maybe there was some confusion between o/O and 0 (=zero)? If your cousin registered her mail address while in Poland, annapa81@o2.pl should still work, as it doesn't matter where she logs into her mail account. To me, annapa81@o2.pl (with o not zero) looks like a valid mail address. If this doesn't work out, please send me a copy of the full error message. Kind regards moni k. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:22:02 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose When Shine came out, I felt inspired to start playing music again after not doing very much for the last three years or so, and I even felt like posting some messages to the Joni list to share my excitement about having new Joni music to enjoy, and I was kind of enjoying it all for awhile, but then I started reading some of the interviews with her and seeing her being interviewed on various shows, and I found myself back in the same place as before I left the list last time of loving the music and not really liking the person very much - feeling embarrassed about some of the things she was saying. If she's going to give interviews, she should smile and keep it light and not take herself and everything so seriously and quit bragging about how she started smoking at the age of 9 and be more gracious and complimentary of other musicians. For goodness sake, there are hundreds of musicians who are as talented, if not more so (Imogen Heap for one), than her. She didn't invent everything. I just feel exasperated sometimes when I read / hear the things she says in interviews and I think she would look better to the world at large if she would give up saying stupid things in interviews and stick to writing her beautiful music and lyrics. Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" To: "Joni people!" ; "Marian Russell" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose > Nah. I personally would be very disappointed if Joni didn't give > interviews anymore. > -M > > Marian Russell wrote: > I think Joni should quit giving interviews and rather spend her time > channeling new music and distilling her wisdom into song lyrics for us all > to enjoy. > > Marian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:05:41 +0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re:3GS/charlie rose Interesting if somewhat strange comments from Joni in this piece. We definitely have problems globally going forward and we are certainly not prepared/preparing for the scale of the potential difficulties we face. Gender roles have changed and developed for sure, as has society generally, but not in a wholly negative way. In other interviews about her early years in the music business Joni has bemoaned the difficuties women faced in a male dominated business. I can't see the USA Germany analogy as a valid one either. This is classic interviewee Joni angry and outrageous but deeply concerned. I for one hope she doesn't stop doing interviews. Am i right in thinking Dylan, amongst others going even further back, was writing and recording his own material before Joni "created the phenomena"?, "as modest as Mussolini" springs to mind. But then she has created some of the most beautiful and original music of the 20th/21st century and whatever the changes to come that will stand the test of time. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:38:39 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: re:3GS/charlie rose I made the same point, Joe - and part of the resulting problem is that when someone says something so WRONG like that, it clouds everything else that gets said - the integrity of the rest of the dialogue comes into question. I'm fortunate that my wife and many, many friends (including many of y'all) will quickly let me know when I'm full of $hit. It seems that Joni doesn't have anyone in her life to fill that role. Bob NP: Joni, "You're My Thrill" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:09:30 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC Neil Young archives news Young Eschewing CDs For 'Archives' Project "I know it's in technical production now, but it's only coming out on Blu-ray and DVD," he said during an interview at the Sundance Film Festival, where he and his Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young bandmates unveiled their "Deja Vu" documentary. "There won't be CDs. Technology has caught up to what the concept was in the first place [and] how we're able to actually present it. But there's no doubt it will come out this year." Yeah right, Lucy, said Charlie Brown How are we going to play it in the car? The 96/24 PCM stereo version of Chrome Dreams II did sound sweet, but c'mon, Neil. If he allows people to buy a crappy 128 kbps I-Tunes version he's a hypocrite, but not to do so will be a poor financial decision. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Monika Bogdanowicz Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:08 AM To: Joni people! Subject: NJC Neil Young archives news http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=10037 02875 For you Neil Young fans here... -M - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:13:40 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Mississippi River Festival 1969 Coleen do NOT buy this. It is a bootleg and is available for free trade--blank DVDs and postage. I will personally mail you a copy of both of these at my expense if you just send me your mailing address. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Coleen Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 9:23 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Mississippi River Festival 1969 Hi Everyone, My apologies if this has already been posted, but I found this link to a live recording of Joni's excellent performance at the Mississippi River Festival in 1969: http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities07/ARjmmissi.html I also found a link to a site that purports to be selling a DVD (1 copy available) of the BBC "In Concert" show that featured Joni. I saw this show on TV a few years ago and would love to own it, but I'm not sure about ordering from this site. If someone else would like to try it, here's the link: http://www.musicstack.com/item/158697072/joni+mitchell/bbc+in+concert+1970 Cheers, Coleen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:32:11 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Hillary, njc Hi Monika, She was at the high school in North Little Rock, Arkansas, a city of about 60,000 people. It was easy to park and walk to the gymnasium where she was to speak. I was with my blind friend Ann and my 9 year old son Peter. The gym is large with stadium seating. The public filled about 1/2 of it, and the rest was filled with high school students. We had good seats about 15 rows up in the stadium seats above the platform from where she spoke. When she came in she was visiting with a lot of people whom she knows from when she lived here. She introduced a couple of them... an old neighbor of her's and the previous cook at the governor's mansion. She talked about some of our small towns, towns somebody not from Arkansas wouldn't know. She knows our state well and draws from her experiences as a social action lawyer here for so many years. When she comes to Arkansas, it is a homecoming for her. She is very much loved here. There is a stick-togetherness of the Arkansas people in a small town way throughout the whole state. She is family to us. Her message was very moving. And her delivery was as if she was talking to you or I one on one. Her voice and the way she carries herself are confident, caring, mature, and motivating. Peace flows from her. She is incredibly beautiful in person. We were about 2 feet from her at the end, and my son got a sign signed by her. She delivered innovative, well-thought out ideas for change and level-headed ways to create the necessary change. It is very clear to me that she has thought very carefully and for a long time about the direction and state of the country. It is obvious she wasn't just a figure-head first lady in the white house. She very evidently has had many intellectual conversations with Bill and others in politics as their equal. This comes across in the way she speaks. She's an intellectual yet down to earth. She's very obviously a deep thinker, and at the same time she is able to convey her thoughts in a way people from a wide variety of backgrounds can understand. She has vision and enlightenment. She's globally aware, a gatherer of data, open minded. She made it clear she cares deeply about future generations and has been active along these lines from her early days in Arkansas as a lawyer putting her skills toward solving social action issues beginning with the Children's Defense Fund. She was capable of getting a high paying legal job early in her career but chose to do what is in her heart which is social action. The issues I remember her addressing were the economy, health care, education, the military, and the war in Iraq. Let me mention a few of the specific things I recall. She talked about how if people are hard working people, they shouldn't be living at poverty level... that she will work to change this. She spoke of credit card companies taking advantage of people through unfairly high interest rates, some charging 30%. She mentioned setting a limit on these high rates. She said to make the military strong, we have to take care of it's personel. She said when soldiers come back after serving we need make sure they have everything they need, a good place to live, education, good medical care, etc. rather than forgetting about them. She said she will begin pulling troops out of Iraq early in her presidency, but she said it has to be done cautiously so our civilians have time to leave first and so the Iraqi people who are favorable toward us are treated in a considerate manner. She mentioned getting rid of chronism and rather than putting unqualified people in positions just because they helped with her campaign, she will put qualified people in positions to be sure the job is done well. She was speaking at a school and spoke of improving education and used her success in Arkansas as an example of how she will be capable of doing so. She spoke of the importance of preK programs and of how she will make these publicly available. She also talked about college costs and about having colleges agree to keeping the same cost for all 4 years a person attends. She talked about making available a $10,000 stipend applicable toward college costs for those who do socially oriented jobs. She talked about health insurance and how if there is insurance people have that they want to keep, they will be able to do so, and for those who need insurance how she will work to make available the same coverage as is offered to those in congress. She spoke of tightening up on insurance companies so that the coverage people pay for is what they get when time to pay comes. At the end she said she wanted to meet as many of us as possible, and she made herself available. That is how we were able to get so close to her. Watching her interact with people was inspiring. She was very gentle and caring. She let people get their pictures with her. I wish I had had my camera! She's all good. Love, Laura - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Oooh, let us know how that goes! Or email me > personally as I'm very interested in this > election/the candidates (well the Democratic ones > much more so than the Republicans). > -M > > Laura Stanley wrote: > I'm going to see her today! > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them > fast with Yahoo! Search. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:41:57 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Hillary, njc PS. After we saw Hillary, we were able to vote early at our local library. It took about 5 minutes... much better than waiting in long lines next Tuesday. You might look for this in your area too. - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Oooh, let us know how that goes! Or email me > personally as I'm very interested in this > election/the candidates (well the Democratic ones > much more so than the Republicans). > -M > > Laura Stanley wrote: > I'm going to see her today! > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them > fast with Yahoo! Search. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:43:05 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: re:3GS/charlie rose From: "joe farrell" > Am i right in thinking Dylan, amongst others going even further > back, was writing and recording his own material before Joni "created the > phenomena"?, Mozart, Pythagoras-it's even rumoured Jesus carried around a ukelele and sang little songs he made up. She said "singer- songwriter" didn't exist as a career-of course it did: Woody Gutherie, Leadbelly, Buddy Holly, Robert Johnson and all the old blues guys who made their living singing their own songs in the 1920's. The *label* didn't exist until Joni, James Taylor, Jim Croce, Jackson Browne, Carol King and others helped it make it mainstream. But The Beatles, Beach Boys, Janis Ian, Hendrix, The Kinks, Syd Barrett...they were all singing their own stuff. If you want to eliminate bands, Janis Ian, Donovan, Dylan, Cat Stevens, Phil Ochs, Tom Paxton, John Stewart and many more were doing it long before Joni mistuned her first uke. Still, that conceit aside, I loved the interview-she's a little perverse at times, but I think her view of the big picture is pretty accurate. Shine on you crazy lion. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:14:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: re:3GS/charlie rose now njc - --- Randy Remote wrote: > > it's even rumoured Jesus carried > around > a ukelele and sang little songs he made up. Isn't that the guy that wrote "Always look on the bright side of life?" Oh wait. It was Brian Cohen. Never mind. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 18:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Joni/Charlie Rose I have a problem...It's hard for me to find fault in my "idols"(or a better word)..My boyfriend and I always "play argue" about Madonna..He's always dogging her and I defend her like she's my sister..Same here with Joni...It's hard for me to read that people are all upset about her opinions on the female/male quandry...How many of you all are around Joni's age? People of that generation or before I tend to give a pass when it comes to such matters...The world they grew up in was much much more different than the world today and although we all do form our own opinions and ideals later in life, some small part of those growing years stays with us..Maybe she just can't get past the male female roles she witnessed growing up..Not saying it's right or wrong(It really was almost archaic thinking though)..That's just how she feels.....Regarding her role in the birth of the singer songwriter movement..I think she was trying to refer to the title given to the musicians of the era..Not that she was the first ever person to ever write a song and sing it.. She plays a major role in what the Time Life cd collection people like to call the Singer Songwriter era.. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 17:58:16 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: re:3GS/charlie rose now njc >> it's even rumoured Jesus carried >> around >> a ukelele and sang little songs he made up. > > Isn't that the guy that wrote "Always look on the > bright side of life?" > Oh wait. It was Brian Cohen. Never mind. > Catherine > Oops, my bad-I get them confused, too. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:43:24 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC Hey UK Internet users or computer literate people Thanks to you and to everyone who helped me out. I do believe the email went through with a simple "O" rather than the "0" I had been using. Funny how we make things more complicated than they are! -Monika Moni Kellermann wrote: Wie Monika Bogdanowicz so vortrefflich formulierte: > I am trying to email my cousin, Anna, who moved from Poland to the UK > recently about family matters. She had written me a letter providing > her email address as annapa81@02.pl. I had thought the email address > was strange as it didn't have a @something.com but I thought well > maybe this is something specific to the UK or maybe she forgot the > server. So does this make sense to anyone? You see, I sent an email > to that address only (as I expected) to get a mailer daemon saying > there was an error in sending the email. So UK users or people who > know quite a bit about email servers, do you think she may have > forgot a server name or something, or she typed it wrong, or what > could it be? ANY HELP AT ALL (if you can) WOULD BE GREATLY, GREATLY, > GREATLY APPRECIATED! -Monika See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_domains for a guide to all those nice addresses http://www.o2.pl/ exists. So maybe there was some confusion between o/O and 0 (=zero)? If your cousin registered her mail address while in Poland, annapa81@o2.pl should still work, as it doesn't matter where she logs into her mail account. To me, annapa81@o2.pl (with o not zero) looks like a valid mail address. If this doesn't work out, please send me a copy of the full error message. Kind regards moni k. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:23:13 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni/Charlie Rose Yes, Joni was a part of the singer-songwriter movement and really epitomizes a singer-songwriter. In fact, just for a trivial but related connection, my brother is taking a class called "Survey of Rock-n-Roll" this semester and I just had to flip through his rock-n-roll textbook. Of course I looked up "Mitchell, Joni" in the index and found her in the singer songwriters of the 70's section. In fact, that section started off (after a brief, overview intro)with her by saying, "let's discuss the most talented of them all (most talented songwriter of that time it means), Joni Mitchell." You really could write a book on Joni and songwriting. That is not to dismiss Bob Dylan's writing (as he was mentioned though he's known for more and more of a "songwriter" than SINGER songwriter) or anyone else's but she is top notch man (and the appeal of her or her light is always cast on her lyrics/writing). Only saying. As for all her opinions and people getting upset or being confused, well so be it. I agree with you, that I could never really say anything negative about Joni (or anyone else I like). I do think she has some strange opinions but strange in that they are interesting. I don't agree with everything she has to say (some) but I certainly want to hear her opinion on all sorts of things and welcome it. I like hearing INTELLIGENT peoples' opinions (not ignorant fools who only spit out insults) no matter what they are. I think the only thing that could really turn me off, in terms of someone's opinion (besides people just insulting each other and calling each other idiots because of different opinions as I'm seeing with these elections), is a racist or prejudice one. Personally, I'd love to have a cup of tea (or wine, whatever she would want) with Joni just to discuss life, love, religion, and everything under the sun that suits my fancy.... -Monika KEVIN DOHENY wrote: I have a problem...It's hard for me to find fault in my "idols"(or a better word)..My boyfriend and I always "play argue" about Madonna..He's always dogging her and I defend her like she's my sister..Same here with Joni...It's hard for me to read that people are all upset about her opinions on the female/male quandry...How many of you all are around Joni's age? People of that generation or before I tend to give a pass when it comes to such matters...The world they grew up in was much much more different than the world today and although we all do form our own opinions and ideals later in life, some small part of those growing years stays with us..Maybe she just can't get past the male female roles she witnessed growing up..Not saying it's right or wrong(It really was almost archaic thinking though)..That's just how she feels.....Regarding her role in the birth of the singer songwriter movement..I think she was trying to refer to the title given to the musicians of the era..Not that she was the first ever person to ever write a song and sing it.. She plays a major role in what the Time Life cd collection people like to call the Singer Songwriter era.. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:55:22 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Joni/Charlie Rose From Joni's songs for many years, the message I got was a disdain for women who bought into the traditional role of wife/mother who controlled all the money of the hard-working husband and a sympathy for the husband who was a victim of such an agreement/arrangement. Now she's saying that women are too strong? I know a lot of women who are strong and wise and gentle and kind and not aggressive, most of whom have full-time jobs in addition to having children. I don't know what women she is generalizing about, but to be fair, perhaps she hasn't really thought about it all that much and was just answering the interviewer off the top of her head. Anyway, what's wrong in the world is so much more complicated than generalizations about what's wrong with women or what's wrong with men (how about the military industrial complex, for one, and the corporations that are trying to own everything including our politicians, and the religious right who would be happy if people could be thrown in jail for not going to church on Sunday, and the oil barons capitalizing on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and potentially Iran - most all of which is included in the lyrics to Bad Dreams and STrong And Wrong and If). I guess what I really wish is not that Joni would stop giving interviews, but that I could interview her and have a real conversation about all this stuff that she has obviously thought about, too. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "KEVIN DOHENY" To: "joni" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:38 AM Subject: Joni/Charlie Rose >I have a problem...It's hard for me to find fault in my "idols"(or a better >word)..My boyfriend and I always "play argue" about Madonna..He's always >dogging her and I defend her like she's my sister..Same here with >Joni...It's hard for me to read that people are all upset about her >opinions on the female/male quandry...How many of you all are around Joni's >age? People of that generation or before I tend to give a pass when it >comes to such matters...The world they grew up in was much much more >different than the world today and although we all do form our own opinions >and ideals later in life, some small part of those growing years stays with >us..Maybe she just can't get past the male female roles she witnessed >growing up..Not saying it's right or wrong(It really was almost archaic >thinking though)..That's just how she feels.....Regarding her role in the >birth of the singer songwriter movement..I think she was trying to refer to >the title given to the musicians of the > era..Not that she was the first ever person to ever write a song and sing > it.. She plays a major role in what the Time Life cd collection people > like to call the Singer Songwriter era.. > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. 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