From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #553 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 30 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 553 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- 3GS/Charlie Rose [vincenzo mancini ] Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: snow bound at my secret place [Monika Bogdanowicz ] richie havens / 'woodstock' [ann jensen ] Re: richie havens / 'woodstock' [Jerry Notaro ] Re: richie havens / 'woodstock' [Jerry Notaro ] SV: 3GS/Charlie Rose ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: SV: 3GS/Charlie Rose [Deb Messling ] Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson ["Laurent Olszer" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 08:47:13 +0000 From: vincenzo mancini Subject: 3GS/Charlie Rose The full song is now available at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ooQitMCl9I as well as Charlie Rose's greenroom: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3g-Wv-p_ug both likely to have been already "somewhere in the news..." May your skies be blue, Vincenzo _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:02:36 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose Thanks Vincenzo - this one was news to me, because I search YouTube for "Joni Mitchell" and whoever uploaded this one misspelled her name as "Mithcell". I was surprised to see that Joni "invented" the singer-songwriter genre! I was thinking that Woody Guthrie and a host of others beat her to that, just goes to show how wrong you can be...that bit of silliness notwithstanding, I did appreciate some of the childhood experiences she shared and some of her comments about our current culture. Bob NP: Ani, "The Next Big Thing" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Also, after watching the Dick Cavett Show (my first real video of watching Joni for Joni...I had seen Roger Waters' Wall concert with her in it before but that was for Waters years ago), I remember thinking about the chatter that went on. I remember thinking that man, David Crosby and Grace Slick sure were talkers. I also remember finding it strange that Joni (and Stephen Stills for that matter) were so quiet (and seemingly nervous) at that appearance, given what I had read about her. I remember even telling my sister about watching this tv appearance and I told her, "Joni Mitchell was really quiet and seemed nervous there." My sister (not a Joni fan but has to put up with my little obsession) had said, "Joni Mitchell was quiet? Well that's surprising." -Monika Mark Scott wrote: This reminds me of another comment I was going to make in the thread about Joni and her relationship with other female performers in the early days of her fame. Grace Slick wrote in her book 'Somebody to Love?' that she would not turn the full force of her sometimes agressive, out-there personality (particularly agressive and out-there when fueled by alcohol and other substances) on Joni in those days because Grace perceived Joni as being very fragile. Grace goes on to say that she found out later she was wrong about Joni, that Joni was and is a strong person. She also said she had seen Joni somewhere in more recent times but didn't have the guts to go up and speak to somebody who had worked with Charles Mingus! Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 09:09:06 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: snow bound at my secret place From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" <<< Joni seemed more....quiet? She seemed more quite/fragile in those early, early days I guess although I don't think quite/fragile are the words I'm looking for. Perhaps it was the appearance she gave off at that time? >>> I think vulnerable is a good description of how I viewed her in the early years of her career. She laid herself on the line, bare and open for everyone to see, as she aged she appears to have steeled herself and kept a lot more in reserve. Cassy (Off to Vegas for my wedding tomorrow) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:10:09 -0800 (PST) From: ann jensen Subject: richie havens / 'woodstock' i just saw the great richie havens play a smoke-free show in a milwaukee club. he looks and sounds fantastic - sharing stories thruout. there's a lead guitarist and a cello player with him. they did a wonderful version of 'woodstock' right in the middle of the set! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:21:09 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: richie havens / 'woodstock' He is still one of the live performers around. And his stories alone are worth the price of admission. Jerry > i just saw the great richie havens play a smoke-free > show in a milwaukee club. he looks and sounds > fantastic - sharing stories thruout. > there's a lead guitarist and a cello player with him. > they did a wonderful version of 'woodstock' right in > the middle of the set! > > > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > ______ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:41:17 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: richie havens / 'woodstock' One of the "best" live performers. > He is still one of the live performers around. And his stories alone are > worth the price of admission. > > Jerry > > > > >> i just saw the great richie havens play a smoke-free >> show in a milwaukee club. he looks and sounds >> fantastic - sharing stories thruout. >> there's a lead guitarist and a cello player with him. >> they did a wonderful version of 'woodstock' right in >> the middle of the set! >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________________>> _ >> ______ >> Be a better friend, newshound, and >> know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. >> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 20:33:09 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: 3GS/Charlie Rose Thank you to the person who sent the link! But my god Joni - "the women are grotesquely aggressive and the men are weak"? What is that about? Would she like the men to be grotesquely aggressive and the women to be weak? What century is she living in now? - I'm shocked, I must say. -And the United States are now like Germany on the verge of WW1? Again, as a historian I have to beg to differ, and as a native German as well. There is a lot that could be said about the US in criticism but the comparison with Germany does not make much sense and does not help people to understand what is going on right here and now. History does not simply repeat itself in such a straightforward manner. I do love Joni but she does say some strange things sometimes, things that I cannot really fit into the picture I got of her in my mind from her song lyrics. One thing is for sure, though, she has changed her profile over the years. When she first became famous she was not coming on half as strong as she does nowadays. That's not a bad thing, though. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Skickat: den 29 januari 2008 13:03 Till: vincenzo mancini Kopia: jm jmdlist Dmne: Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose Thanks Vincenzo - this one was news to me, because I search YouTube for "Joni Mitchell" and whoever uploaded this one misspelled her name as "Mithcell". I was surprised to see that Joni "invented" the singer-songwriter genre! I was thinking that Woody Guthrie and a host of others beat her to that, just goes to show how wrong you can be...that bit of silliness notwithstanding, I did appreciate some of the childhood experiences she shared and some of her comments about our current culture. Bob NP: Ani, "The Next Big Thing" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 19:08:24 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: SV: 3GS/Charlie Rose I'm dismayed but not shocked; Joni has expressed oddly retrograde and conservative views of sex roles over the years, although I'm too lazy to search for any examples right now. It may go along with her "I'm not a feminist" line. She seems to view modern women as hard, unloving, and unkind, and compares them to this ideal in her head of women as gentle, loving and nurturing. I kind of get what she means about women adopting the worst of "masculine" traits; I long for a more gentle and "feminine" world myself. But her idea is poorly articulated to say the least, and she's scarcely an example of the sweet gentle woman she would hold up as the ideal. At 02:33 PM 1/29/2008, you wrote: >Thank you to the person who sent the link! But my god Joni - "the women are >grotesquely aggressive and the men are weak"? What is that about? Would she >like the men to be grotesquely aggressive and the women to be weak? What >century is she living in now? - I'm shocked, I must say. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:05:40 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni Mitchell and Veronique Sanson Thanks Catherine for the excerpts on Joni & Vero. I'm with you on Vero, although i must admit that i don't listen to her much these days. Back in 72 i was hooked on her first 2 albums : Amoureuse & De l'autre cote de mon reve. Instant classics and her best work IMO. If anybody is interested, they can be previewed at amazon.fr, and they're quite cheap too. I'd be interested in what else Vero has to say about her career. I'm afraid booze didn't help her creative juices as she really went downhill artistically after marrying Stills. What a disappointment that these 2 artists didn't produce anything worthwile together. Even their son has no talent IMHO, you play 100 times better guitar that him. Sorry if i sound negative but i had real expectations at some point. Regarding the french singer Barbara, her greatest < hit > was l'Aigle Noir, meaning black eagle. Rings a bell maybe ? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:10:40 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose I think Joni should quit giving interviews and rather spend her time channeling new music and distilling her wisdom into song lyrics for us all to enjoy. Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Leffler" To: ; "'vincenzo mancini'" Cc: "'jm jmdlist'" Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: SV: 3GS/Charlie Rose > Thank you to the person who sent the link! But my god Joni - "the women > are > grotesquely aggressive and the men are weak"? What is that about? Would > she > like the men to be grotesquely aggressive and the women to be weak? What > century is she living in now? - I'm shocked, I must say. -And the United > States are now like Germany on the verge of WW1? Again, as a historian I > have to beg to differ, and as a native German as well. There is a lot that > could be said about the US in criticism but the comparison with Germany > does > not make much sense and does not help people to understand what is going > on > right here and now. History does not simply repeat itself in such a > straightforward manner. > I do love Joni but she does say some strange things sometimes, things that > I > cannot really fit into the picture I got of her in my mind from her song > lyrics. > One thing is for sure, though, she has changed her profile over the years. > When she first became famous she was not coming on half as strong as she > does nowadays. That's not a bad thing, though. > Marion > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr > Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Skickat: den 29 januari 2008 13:03 > Till: vincenzo mancini > Kopia: jm jmdlist > Dmne: Re: 3GS/Charlie Rose > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3g-Wv-p_ug > > both likely to have been already "somewhere in the news..."> > > Thanks Vincenzo - this one was news to me, because I search YouTube for > "Joni Mitchell" and whoever uploaded this one misspelled her name as > "Mithcell". > > I was surprised to see that Joni "invented" the singer-songwriter genre! I > was thinking that Woody Guthrie and a host of others beat her to that, > just goes to show how wrong you can be...that bit of silliness > notwithstanding, I did appreciate some of the childhood experiences she > shared and some of her comments about our current culture. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "The Next Big Thing" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #553 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------