From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #550 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 27 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 550 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Out of lurkdom - my take on the Mojo interview ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] thank you South Carolina!!!! SJC ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: Jazz and Pop Critics' Poll, now Britney, Joni, Avril [Rian Afriadi ] Re: American Idol (njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni's complaints ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:14:18 +0100 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Out of lurkdom - my take on the Mojo interview Hello to all new and old listers ! I'm breaking out of three months lurkdom- to have a say in the on-going mojo-thread. What a great treat it was to read this interview. And how beautiful the pictures of Joni was, she is looking like movie-queen, still ! I was nailed to the pages, and I'm sure it could have read four or ten more packed pages without getting bored for a second. What I found especially good with this interview was the nearness - I think the interviewer captured some very vivid and true sides of Joni. The opening is kind of shocking. How Joni really gets upset with him, for dare to call her a confessional songwriter. She snaps back --- "Confessional...That's like Oh father, forgive me for I have sinned" And also she talks about the three confessional writers, Sylvia Plath, Anne Sexton and Augustin, who all makes her sick. So don't you ever dear to call her confessional !!! Also I find the ending brilliant. That is the part where Joni learn what it meant telling the truth would. It's just so to the point and right on. Telling the turth might lead to a half-empty church or it might lead to # 423 on some commercial best of- sales-list, but telling the truth also make some people really cherish what one has to say. Telling the truth might lead to a change in some other person's lives - and that is what i find so great about Joni's art - she challenges us as well as she giving courage "We all matter!" Telling the truth will never sell most records. But telling the truth might lead in the end to a greater place in history compared the once who just changed to suite whatever was more comfortable or more commersial succesful at the given time. That is what I really admires about Joni - that she dares to tell her truth, even if it makes her less popular. But both sides, now; that is sometimes what I dread about her too. As I said earlier I wanted her to come to the Nobel Peace Prize Concert - and the arrangers in fact also tried to make her come, but Joni turned them down. I don't know the reasons, I'm sure they were good! And I can imagine singing on the concert along with artists like Alicia Keys, Kylie Minouge and KT Tunstall - and maybe also singing for Al Gore by means wold be a step down form her own artistical integrity. I don't know. In some ways it would be that too. Joni rules ! Of course it also would be strange and breaking news if Joni joined a consert in little Norway. But I can't help it that I sometimes wish she could compromise just a little, just for that one time,well just for me, Joni ! Of course she doesn't, and I admires her for that, but still... Joni is Joni is Joni And what a great living legend of music she is. She is the best ! And I think it's great that she gives provoking and thout-thorugh interviews again. We are lucky to have them shared ! Best ! Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:15:52 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: The Village Voice 35th Jazz and Pop Critics' Poll Randy replied: > Wow-there were 423 albums better than Shine- > How did I miss all that? Oh, yeah, Britney's album > was way better! I personally think the reason that Britney's latest album did so well, is because so many people think it's the last album she'll make before she dies. I know it sounds morose, but just my opinion. Jimmy ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:07:59 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: ASKING FAVOR if you get THE LOS ANGELES TIMES (NJC) If you get the Los Angeles Times Newspaper and have the January 24 or January 25 copy you haven't tossed out yet I would really appreciate if you would send me the Obituary portion of that paper. I will reimburse you postage. My last first cousin on my fathers side has passed-away. And altho I know I can make a copy off the internet I would really like the actual notice from the newspaper. I just noticed yesterday online when I googled her name that it was posted in that paper. Please email me at: est86mlm@ameritech.net Thanks for letting me post this here. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 08:01:36 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: SJC Chaka Khan and James Taylor Thanks for sharing your story. That must have been some concert, especially at such a place as Central Park. I've been to NYC once and I enjoyed parts of it. One of my favorite areas of NYC was indeed Central Park---the eye of the storm I call it. I can also picture Joni trying to shush Chaka! -Monika Jerry Notaro wrote: Monika, Chaka performed in the Joni's Jazz concert in Central Park in 1999. I was there, for the rehearsal too, and met her and her "granbabies." She is a HUGE Joni fan. She was a highlight of the concert and sang Hejira. From a review of the fabulous night: On the high end of that scale, Chaka Khan burst onstage three times and sang with nearly outrageous confidence; she knew her songs (''Don't Interrupt the Sorrow,'' ''The Hissing of Summer Lawns'' and ''Hejira'') inside out and improvised all through them, making the words indistinct as she transformed them into pop-gospel extravaganzas. She also tried to tell the audience the story behind one of the songs, turning to Ms. Mitchell for fact-checking; the composer, perhaps wary of giving away secrets, put a hand to her lips to shush her. Jerry Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > I had mentioned I was at Borders last night checking out magazines but I > failed to mention the Chaka Khan/Joni reference I came across. There is > a music magazine that asks musicians (three musicians always) what > they're currently listening to, their first purchased album, what other > musicians they wanted to be, what they sing in the shower, their hands > down favorite album, and a few more questions I can't recall at the > moment (hell, the magazine may even be Mojo, I can't remember). > Anyhow, one of the musicians asked in this issue was Chaka Khan. When > asked, what her favorite album was, she answered, "Joni Mitchell's > Hejira." She mentioned how Joni and her are friends and they hung out > during her "fuzzy" days. She also said Hejira has been her favorite > road albums for years. > Also, in one of the magazines highlighting the best of 2007, they > showed musicians' favorite albums of 2007. James Taylor listed > "Shine" as his favorite and went into detail about the title track and > briefly mentioned his relationship with Joni, her career and > creativity. > -Monika > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #549 Hi Everyone! Just a quick hello and wishes that you are enjoying a happy weekend. Rian, NOT all Americans are confident....I'd say maybe 20%...I'm not basing that % by anything other than my personal opinion. American Idol auditions really bother me. It seems that a lot of people watch them just to see people humiliate themselves and be judged in extraordinarily uncalled for ways...Simon especially, yet I think he's very honest. I do enjoy the show American Idol once all the potential idols are chosen. Monika, thanks so much for the links and info! Be well all! Love from Bo - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:24:32 -0500 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: thank you South Carolina!!!! SJC thanks Democrats in South Carolina for showing us we can do it!!!!! Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 16:29:11 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Jazz and Pop Critics' Poll, now Britney, Joni, Avril Hmmm... Would i rate Blackout higher than Joni's worst work? Hmmm. Then, what is Joni's worst work? IMO : Taming the Tiger. I'll be stoned for saying this. I enjoy Blackout better than TTT. But, how if I compare it with Shine? Of course i'll rate Shine higher. IMO, the reason why Blackout was placed higher than Shine on the vote is because most professional musicians were so curious about her music after all those bad things happened to her, and then found that the album "enjoyable" and so far, it is Brit's best album. While Shine, maybe they just haven't heard it, so the album was not mentioned by many. (Will wil.i.am or Timbaland hear Shine? I doubt it) And yes, Blackout is more "a product" than a "work of art". While Shine is a work of art. Does Blackout deserve to be 300 albums ahead of Shine? Well, i won't answer this, but i'll make a statement: Shine deserves to be placed 400 numbers higher than its position on the poll. And about Avril, Well, i guess she's not better than Britney. Just see her now! She's more like Britney now. And her music, well, IMO her music quality has plummeted. Avril is a one-album-wonder. Sorry, Avril. Rian. NP. Joni - Facelift Our friend, Randy, wrote: I thought Avril Lavigne was the anti-Britney. And as to her bad behavior, if it involves miniskirts and no underwear, I shall not judge...but my question is, considering that Britney's music is prefabricated by some pop wunderkinds FOR her...would you rate it higher than Joni's worst work? Or even one of her farts? Is it art or shiny product? Does it deserve to be 300 albums ahead of "Shine"? RR - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:48:24 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: American Idol (njc) On Jan 26, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Peep Richman wrote: > Hi Everyone! > Just a quick hello and wishes that you are enjoying a happy weekend. > Rian, NOT all Americans are confident....I'd say maybe 20%...I'm > not basing that % by anything other than my personal opinion. > American Idol auditions really bother me. It seems that a lot of > people watch them just to see people humiliate themselves and be > judged in extraordinarily uncalled for ways...Simon especially, yet > I think he's very honest. Hi Bo, I can see where you're coming from although I don't really blame the judges. I can't imagine how much patience it takes to sit through hours and hours and days and days of auditions. I was a judge once at Eddie's Attic in Decatur, judging some 20+ acts, each playing two songs. Even just judging for a few hours, people who were reasonably good was exhausting. In most cases I thought, the judges go out of their way to be understanding and cordial to people, particularly Paula and Randy, and even Simon sometimes. I agree that he's very honest. I have no sympathy for the people who humiliate themselves. While judging is certainly a subjective thing to some degree, many of the people who audition clearly are not good enough and there are many who are truly pretty dreadful yet will insist that they are good enough to get through to Hollywood. Being rejected can be hard for sure but that's what you open yourself up to when you agree to go through the audition process. More often than not, it is the contestants who show no class, cursing up a storm as they leave. I find the whole process very fascinating. best, Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 00:01:05 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: American Idol (njc) I think Simon is the only one that actually tells the truth on that show. I love watching it with the kids cause it involves not thinking and it's music and it's something we can all watch together and not worry about the violence content. I really never agree with the voting public. Paz outside of St. Louis. Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 26, 2008, at 6:48 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: On Jan 26, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Peep Richman wrote: > Hi Everyone! > Just a quick hello and wishes that you are enjoying a happy weekend. > Rian, NOT all Americans are confident....I'd say maybe 20%...I'm not > basing that % by anything other than my personal opinion. > American Idol auditions really bother me. It seems that a lot of > people watch them just to see people humiliate themselves and be > judged in extraordinarily uncalled for ways...Simon especially, yet > I think he's very honest. Hi Bo, I can see where you're coming from although I don't really blame the judges. I can't imagine how much patience it takes to sit through hours and hours and days and days of auditions. I was a judge once at Eddie's Attic in Decatur, judging some 20+ acts, each playing two songs. Even just judging for a few hours, people who were reasonably good was exhausting. In most cases I thought, the judges go out of their way to be understanding and cordial to people, particularly Paula and Randy, and even Simon sometimes. I agree that he's very honest. I have no sympathy for the people who humiliate themselves. While judging is certainly a subjective thing to some degree, many of the people who audition clearly are not good enough and there are many who are truly pretty dreadful yet will insist that they are good enough to get through to Hollywood. Being rejected can be hard for sure but that's what you open yourself up to when you agree to go through the audition process. More often than not, it is the contestants who show no class, cursing up a storm as they leave. I find the whole process very fascinating. best, Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 22:25:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni's complaints Don't believe this. Media loves a cat fight, then & now. As an unknown us performer writer artist of that era, my female friends doing the same then are among my bestest friends now... kate >my hunch is that's what's at the basis for the issues between most of the female performers/writers/artists of that era.< ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #550 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------