From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #548 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, January 25 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 548 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: RIP, njc [Laura Stanley ] Heath Ledger NJC - My God.... ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Joni & her Mojo now NJC [Em ] Re: Joni & her Mojo now NJC ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Joni & her Mojo now NJC [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni & her Mojo now NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Heath Ledger NJC - My God.... [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: skiing njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: skiing njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: skiing njc [Michael Paz ] Re: skiing njc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: skiing njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's complaints ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni's complaints [Em ] Re: Joni's complaints ["Mark Scott" ] RE: Heath Ledger NJC - My God.... ["hell" ] Heath Ledger NJC ["Vince Lavieri" ] RE: Heath Ledger NJC - My God.... [Monika Bogdanowicz ] NJC- What do... ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 05:09:19 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: RIP, njc Kate wrote: we can help a lovedone who might have a problem... here is a very good place to start http://www.lovefirst.net/ Hi Kate, Thanks for posting this. It is very good. Another resource for people concerned about an alcoholic is AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) in the phone book. By calling AA, you can be directed to places in your own town that professionally arrange interventions. An intervention is a very loving thing one can do for an active alcoholic. It truly can save the alcoholic's life. When one finds a professional who directs interventions, they are no longer alone and baffled in dealing with their loved one who is alcoholic. They will become part of the solution rather than just perpetuating the problem. It takes professional help to do an intervention; it should never be tried on one's own. I have a friend whose family decided they would intervene on their own, without professional help to arrange an intervention. Their attempt didn't help, and my friend died in his disease. Alcoholism is not a moral problem nor a choice a person makes. It is a disease that is progressive and deadly. Thanks Kate. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:45:23 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Heath Ledger NJC - My God.... Just saw this from the Yahoo website... http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080124/twl-heath-ledger-death-baptist-group-to-3fd0ae9.html kinda shocking. Or am I? - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:48:03 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Joni & her Mojo So I picked up the latest copy of Mojo Magazine yesterday, and read the interview. I was disappointed in that it was much shorter than I was expecting, but for the most part it's a pretty good piece. Of course, the two bits that are getting the most traction are the "Woodstock generation dropped the ball" stuff and the "Janis & Joan hated me" stuff...neither of which rings very true imo. Is there anything documented about Janis' hatred of Joni or Joan wanting to break her legs? Nothing that I've ever seen. I don't think you can just make those statements without any kind of corroborative evidence, you come off as being petty and juvenile. It's a whole different thing to say "I always felt like Joan Baez hated me" as opposed to saying "Joan Baez hates me". And then when you throw Laura Nyro in there too, it sounds like Joni is the one who is insecure in female company, not the other way around. All that being said, the interview doesn't dwell on these two points, much more time is spent on Joni, her work and her creative processes. There's also a sidebar that discusses a cross-section of her work. In the same issue is a piece on Henry Diltz which looks to be full of Joni content too - I haven't read it yet. Les, if you need a copy of the interview/article, lemme know. Bob NP: Joni, "Michael From Mountains" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:28:35 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Heath Ledger NJC - My God.... Jamie, You may or not be familiar with Westboro Baptist Church - it's a thinly-veiled instrument for the hatred and stupidity of the Fred Phelps family. Even more extreme is their picketing of Military funerals because god allows homosexuality to exist in the USA. Can you imagine being at the funeral of a brother, sister, father, etc and having to deal with that BS as well? The "Church" website is www.godhatesfags.com - I do not recommend it to you or anyone. Bob NP: Rufus, "Tell Me Something Good" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:10:06 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Joni & her Mojo Yes, I agree Bob; it sounds like maybe Joni is the insecure one here with female company. Regarding Laura Nyro, and this is only my opinion, we know that Joni respected Laura very much musically. I do remember someone asking Joni about Laura, and Joni's short response was to the effect of, "Well, you know Laura was a very strange girl...." I believe Laura tended to be a bit child-like and odd (to some) regarding her interpretation of her music; (and her way of looking at life, and her general demeanor, etc.) i.e., her quote at one point "I want the song to sound like that chair..." plus the fact that it has been rather established that Laura was gifted with synesthesia which may have made her see/hear music differently than Joni. I think perhaps that's where the "trouble" was; since Joni seems to have a more sensible (? not sure that's the right word) way of looking at music and writing. I think Joni had a more practical (and of course, sensitive) approach to her music, where Laura had a more spiritual or mystical approach to her writing. My understanding is that they were not friends, but that did not diminish their admiration for each other. Plus the article doesn't elaborate on exactly what the "trouble" was, so this is just conjecture on my part. Joni was in the audience when Laura played McCabes in Santa Monica, so I'm sure she did have a great love and admiration for her music. I don't believe that Joni had "trouble" with Laura competitively, only that she simply found her to be a "strange duck." Just my two cents, Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >So I picked up the latest copy of Mojo Magazine yesterday, and read the >interview. I was disappointed in that it was much shorter than I was >expecting, but for the most part it's a pretty good piece. Of course, the >two bits that are getting the most traction are the "Woodstock generation >dropped the ball" stuff and the "Janis & Joan hated me" stuff...neither of >which rings very true imo. > >Is there anything documented about Janis' hatred of Joni or Joan wanting >to break her legs? Nothing that I've ever seen. I don't think you can just >make those statements without any kind of corroborative evidence, you come >off as being petty and juvenile. It's a whole different thing to say "I >always felt like Joan Baez hated me" as opposed to saying "Joan Baez hates >me". And then when you throw Laura Nyro in there too, it sounds like Joni >is the one who is insecure in female company, not the other way around. > >All that being said, the interview doesn't dwell on these two points, much >more time is spent on Joni, her work and her creative processes. There's >also a sidebar that discusses a cross-section of her work. > >In the same issue is a piece on Henry Diltz which looks to be full of Joni >content too - I haven't read it yet. > >Les, if you need a copy of the interview/article, lemme know. > >Bob > >NP: Joni, "Michael From Mountains" >------------------------------------------------------------ >The information transmitted is intended only for the person >or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > >Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:30:08 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni & her Mojo now NJC another weird Laura thing re: Janis Joplin... (I read this ina book) Laura had invited Janis to her place for lunch in NYC, and Laura served tuna salad, which was Laura's fave food. And Janis was kind of insulted or put off by that, like I only rate tuna salad? I think it was a case of these people not being on the same page, in many ways. Hi Gary! :) Em - --- Gary Z wrote: > Yes, I agree Bob; it sounds like maybe Joni is the insecure one here > with female company. > > Regarding Laura Nyro, and this is only my opinion, we know that Joni > respected Laura very much musically. > I do remember someone asking Joni about Laura, and Joni's short > response > was to the effect of, "Well, you know Laura was a very strange > girl...." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:56:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni & her Mojo now NJC How disappointing to read this. I would have been thrilled to have been invited to Laura's for lunch no matter what she served. Jerry Em wrote: > another weird Laura thing re: Janis Joplin... > (I read this ina book) > Laura had invited Janis to her place for lunch in NYC, and Laura served > tuna salad, which was Laura's fave food. > And Janis was kind of insulted or put off by that, like I only rate > tuna salad? > I think it was a case of these people not being on the same page, in > many ways. > > Hi Gary! > :) > Em > > > --- Gary Z wrote: > >> Yes, I agree Bob; it sounds like maybe Joni is the insecure one here >> with female company. >> >> Regarding Laura Nyro, and this is only my opinion, we know that Joni >> respected Laura very much musically. >> I do remember someone asking Joni about Laura, and Joni's short >> response >> was to the effect of, "Well, you know Laura was a very strange >> girl...." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:42:57 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni & her Mojo now NJC Hmm...was Janis maybe a vegetarian/didn't eat fish? I know if someone served me tuna I wouldn't be insulted but I certainly wouldn't eat it...... -M Jerry Notaro wrote: How disappointing to read this. I would have been thrilled to have been invited to Laura's for lunch no matter what she served. Jerry Em wrote: > another weird Laura thing re: Janis Joplin... > (I read this ina book) > Laura had invited Janis to her place for lunch in NYC, and Laura served > tuna salad, which was Laura's fave food. > And Janis was kind of insulted or put off by that, like I only rate > tuna salad? > I think it was a case of these people not being on the same page, in > many ways. > > Hi Gary! > :) > Em > > > --- Gary Z wrote: > >> Yes, I agree Bob; it sounds like maybe Joni is the insecure one here >> with female company. >> >> Regarding Laura Nyro, and this is only my opinion, we know that Joni >> respected Laura very much musically. >> I do remember someone asking Joni about Laura, and Joni's short >> response >> was to the effect of, "Well, you know Laura was a very strange >> girl...." - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:41:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni & her Mojo now NJC - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > How disappointing to read this. I would have been > thrilled to have been > invited to Laura's for lunch no matter what she > served. > > Jerry > Tuna salad was apparently Laura's favourite food, as well as the only thing she knew how to make. So, if you're invited to someone's place for lunch, and they serve you their favourite food, which they have made themself, then that's really a big honour. But, of course, if you didn't know this, you might think, "Yuk. Tuna sandwiches?" Laura sounded like an odd person by all regular standards, but also very interesting and I think it would have been a real treat to meet her. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? 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Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:05:24 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: skiing njc Current price at Alta: $59 Current price at the Bird: $69 Luckily husband is a backcountry skier. Days Alison gets to ski this year: 0 Value to my back and knees: Priceless I'm no great skier by any means, but this phenomenal snow year utah is having is making even me want to put my tele gear on. Alison E. in SLC & passenger, who isn't allowed to ski ps: loved your reference to vitamin L, LOL np: sheryl crow's new single shine over babylon - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:27:38 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: The Merm -> "The Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" (NJC Back in the early 70's Alta and Snowbird lift tickets were only $5 or $15, can't remember for sure------but I thought Alta and it's bowls were simply stupendous. - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Eggleston" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: re: The Merm -> "The Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" (NJC)> > Back in the Winter of 1971-'72, when this album was released, I lived > and worked at the Snowbird Ski Resort near Salt Lake City, Utah. We'd partake of the sacred herbs and Vitamin L > > Bonneville Bruce > NP = "The Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:26:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: skiing njc Last time I skied a lift ticket was eight dollars. Muller, not a word out of you. Jerry Alison E wrote: > Current price at Alta: $59 > Current price at the Bird: $69 > Luckily husband is a backcountry skier. > Days Alison gets to ski this year: 0 > Value to my back and knees: Priceless > I'm no great skier by any means, but this phenomenal snow year utah is > having is making even me want to put my tele gear on. > Alison E. in SLC & passenger, who isn't allowed to ski > ps: loved your reference to vitamin L, LOL > np: sheryl crow's new single shine over babylon > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:27:38 -0800 > From: "gene" > Subject: Re: The Merm -> "The Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" (NJC > Back in the early 70's Alta and Snowbird lift tickets were only > $5 or > $15, can't remember for sure------but I thought Alta and it's bowls > were > simply stupendous. > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Eggleston" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:30 PM > Subject: re: The Merm -> "The Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" (NJC)> >> Back in the Winter of 1971-'72, when this album was released, I lived >> and worked at the Snowbird Ski Resort near Salt Lake City, Utah. > We'd partake of the sacred herbs and Vitamin L >> >> Bonneville Bruce >> NP = "The Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:11:33 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: skiing njc > Last time I skied a lift ticket was eight dollars. Muller, not a word out > of you. > > Jerry > Jerry, you were skiing back when Dick Button won his Olympic skating medals. (You said not a word from Muller, not me) Jimmy ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:13:08 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: skiing njc Did they have skis back then Jerry or just 2 x 4's?? Ducking Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 24, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Jerry Notaro wrote: Last time I skied a lift ticket was eight dollars. Muller, not a word out of you. Jerry Alison E wrote: > Current price at Alta: $59 > Current price at the Bird: $69 > Luckily husband is a backcountry skier. > Days Alison gets to ski this year: 0 > Value to my back and knees: Priceless > I'm no great skier by any means, but this phenomenal snow year utah > is > having is making even me want to put my tele gear on. > Alison E. in SLC & passenger, who isn't allowed to ski > ps: loved your reference to vitamin L, LOL > np: sheryl crow's new single shine over babylon > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:27:38 -0800 > From: "gene" > Subject: Re: The Merm -> "The Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" (NJC > Back in the early 70's Alta and Snowbird lift tickets were only > $5 or > $15, can't remember for sure------but I thought Alta and it's bowls > were > simply stupendous. > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Eggleston" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:30 PM > Subject: re: The Merm -> "The Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" (NJC)> >> Back in the Winter of 1971-'72, when this album was released, I lived >> and worked at the Snowbird Ski Resort near Salt Lake City, Utah. > We'd partake of the sacred herbs and Vitamin L >> >> Bonneville Bruce >> NP = "The Low Spark of High-heeled Boys" > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 14:44:15 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: skiing njc <(You said not a word from Muller, not me)> Thanks for the tag team, Jimmy - good team play. We couldn't let such a setup line go without a response...Dick Button, good one... Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "The Same Way I Do" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:25:19 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: skiing njc - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > Last time I skied a lift ticket was eight dollars. > Muller, not a word out > > of you. > > > > Jerry > > > > Jerry, you were skiing back when Dick Button won his > Olympic skating medals. > (You said not a word from Muller, not me) > > Jimmy > 1970 - Ski lifts 2008 - Hoyer lifts. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:23:53 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni's complaints From: "Mark Scott" > I finally got my hands on the Mojo interview. > The Mojo article quotes Joni as saying > Rolling Stone made Joni queen of rock & roll and Janis hated her after > that. I can't find anything in the jmdl library's Rolling Stone articles to support this-Janis died in October of 1970, six months before "Blue" was released. The RS articles are more about Joni as an up-and-comer, and as an important songwriter in the then-perceived folk revival. Janis was certainly the partying rock star, at the peak of her short reign as rock/blues mama. I could picture her sneering at the touchy-feely style that Joni might have represented to some people at that time, and I suppose that, in an industry dominated by males, any female could be considered a threat. In 1969, if you look at the lineup at Woodstock, for example, it's 90% men. > My feeling is that Joni probably inspired some resentment and envy > I mean, here was this young, relatively unknown woman > with a pristine 3 octave voice, perfect pitch, accomplished, unique > guitar playing who was also a highly prolific writer/composer of songs > she had long, beautiful > blonde hair, amazing cheekbones, > and the men were all smitten So was the resentment (if there was any) professional or social? ...Certainly Janis was insecure about her looks, even more so than the norm for women in the entertainment biz...maybe that's what Joni was picking up on. And Janis, in her stage ramblings, sometimes talked about some good- looking guy she had the hots for (and was possibly unattainable). Joni, on the other hand, had to beat the boys away with sticks. As to Joni being the life of the party, guitarist Dale Miller told me about a party he attended in Berkeley back in those days, and Joni was standing all alone, no one was talking to her. He said it wasn't just her being shy, but being kind of unapproachable, due to her intensity, and no doubt her devastating looks. He was certainly smitten, and later regretted not going up to her, but she had what I call the Scorpio force field. ....I guess I don't have any central point here, but I enjoyed reading your thoughtful comments, Mark, as well as the other posts on this thread. Bonus trivia: Blue is available on vinyl, and it's only about triple the cost of the CD! Retro-ly, RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:54:51 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's complaints - --- Randy Remote wrote: > ...Certainly Janis was insecure about her looks, > even more so than the norm for women in the entertainment > biz...maybe that's what Joni was picking up on. my hunch is that's what's at the basis for the issues between most of the female performers/writers/artists of that era. The women's movement hadn't kicked in, and they all hated each other like female dogs pretty much quite often don't get along. (and the pretty scandinavian looking blonde one who was suddenly marked as genius was particulary at risk in this society of bitches) Not "hated" really, but were allergic to each other. Its a shame. But history hadn't caught up enough yet to LUBE the way for the few rock (rock related) chicks to be comfortable around each other. Let alone MESH like the guys did. (not that the guys always meshed either) Some sort of 1950's girly cattiness prevailed. Fear and loathing, estrogen style. I ADORE how Laura Nyro threw this off later on, and came to love women. Janis, of course, didn't get the chance to evolve. Joan and Joni, I would suspect, kind of feel similarly about this stuff nowadays. Again, just a hunch. In the end, I bet they could sit in church and sing a hymn together. Both have realized Amazing Grace in their own way. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:08:35 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni's complaints - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" > I can't find anything in the jmdl library's Rolling Stone articles > to support this-Janis died in October of 1970, six months before > "Blue" was released. The chronology just seemed wrong to me, too. I had to go back just now and re-read what Joni is quoted as saying in the Mojo interview. When asked, 'What was your relationship with Jopin?', Joni's response was: 'She was very competitive with me, very insecure. She was the queen of rock'n'roll [one year] and then Rolling Stone made the queen of rock'n'roll and she hated me after that.' Like I said, I wonder if she meant this to be taken literally or if she even thought much about it before she said it. Joni does like to talk and maybe this was her perception of what happened. Remarks made on the spur of the moment, off the cuff, are not the result of painstaking research into one's own past, I suppose. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:44:19 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: Heath Ledger NJC - My God.... Bob wrote: > You may or not be familiar with Westboro Baptist Church - it's a > thinly-veiled instrument for the hatred and stupidity of the Fred Phelps > family. Even more extreme is their picketing of Military funerals because > god allows homosexuality to exist in the USA. Can you imagine > being at the funeral of a brother, sister, father, etc and having to > deal with that BS as well? > > The "Church" website is www.godhatesfags.com - I do not recommend it to > you or anyone. I saw a 60 Minutes or 20/20 article on these a**holes a while ago. The most disturbing thing to me was that there were children as young as 4 and 5 "protesting" outside a funeral, most carrying "God Hates Fags" placards and signs. They were interviewed later in the segment, and when asked "What's a fag?" didn't have the faintest idea of the answer. The only answer that one of them (who was about ten years old) could give was, "Someone who hates God". The thing I find most repellent about these groups and others (like white supremists) is the brain-washing of the children. No wonder the cycle of abuse and hatred continues - they don't stand a chance. These kids grow up confused and angry, and they don't have a clue as to why. For the record, I thought Brokeback Mountain was a superb film, and Heath Ledger's performance definitely worthy of an Oscar. His death is incredibly sad, especially (as it appears) if it was a accidental. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:15:05 -0500 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Heath Ledger NJC Joseph, always a pleasure to chat with you of course I have been having my own heath Ledger film festival and the past two nights have watched Candy - what a deeply affecting movie, and what a sparse and brilliant performance by Heath Ledger (and Amy Cornish, hers not being sparse but very well done). Ledger could say more with his eyes and face and body - and no words - than anyone that I have ever seen. How did I miss Candy when it came out - other than it is an Australian film that probably played in only a few places here. Geoffery Rush was quite good in his part too and the directing and script were very well done. I saw Casanova last night - that ugly picture on the dvd cover is a disservice to the film. It took me a while to et that movie - it really is a Daponte libretto in movie form with no opera music - and once I watched it like an opera, it all made sense. And Ledger was quite good in that role. It seems to me that up until Brokeback, no one realized what a talented actor he was. I remember Michael Wilmington in the Chicago Tribune wondering where that performace came from and then stating that when he looked at Ledger's earlier work he saw the underplaying,the reliance on transmitted eotion rather than stylish flourishes - anyone it seems impossible that it took so long to catch on to him (admittedly Ned Kelly was not much of an acting role and Brothers Grimm was less, I liked Ned Kelly a lo though). Anyway I ramble. Thanks Joseph, and Mark and Em, for your comments to me. ] Love be upon us all. Vince On Jan 22, 2008 9:07 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: > Vince, et al > > First of all, it's great to see you post again. Not that I am a regular > poster myself (hoping to defend and write the dissertation this > semester) but you very rarely write. Welcome back. > > I like Heath Ledger too in most of his films. I like that fun moment in > "10 Things I Hate About You" when he burst out that "I loooove you, baby and > if its quite alright I need you baby...". K have not heard of him before but > I thought he was lovable in an off-kilter way. I don't know if I have seen > all his films, but I certainly remember "Brokeback Mountain" and his > Brando-esque mumblings and was probably rooting for him to win although > right now I don't even remember who won that year (Jamie Foxx for "Ray" or > was it Philip Seymour Hoffmann in "Capote"?). Then of course he was > affecting in "I'm Not There" as an actor whose link to Dylan may have been > the later's mid-1960s hipsterism. His on-screen chemistry with Charlotte > Gainsbourg is magnetic and mesmerizing. But that's just me -- I love > Gainsbourg (both Serge and Charlotte, and oh hell, even Jane Birkin). But > yeah, Ledger will be missed. > > I also read the Oscar nominations this morning. Happy for honoring Cate > Blanchett, Tom Wilkinson, Julie Christie, Eastern Promises, Tilda Swinton, > Persepolis, etc with nominations. But with the writers' strike, it would be > great to see a scaled-down ceremony and see if stars sans teleprompter would > be able to fake their way via millions of viewers. I saw a great deal of > films but thought Persepolis, I'm Not There, No End in Sight and The Savages > are outstanding and a bit surprised at the accolades at other films (Juno, > There Will Be Blood, etc.), but then ultimately who cares? > > Joseph, Chapel Hill > np: Old Time Relijun - Garden of Pomegranates > > > > > *Vince Lavieri * a icrit : > > Actually Joseph, one of the reasons that I stopped posting here was I was > tired of people (not you) ripping into his performance and/or ripping into > the movie Brokeback Mountain. It was an extraordinary performance in a > brilliant and insightful movie. Suze can verify how I felt since the first > time I saw it she was with me. This morning when the Oscars were announced > I reflected how I stopped watching those when they denied Heath the award > and gave to to an impersonation that wasn't even th best impersonation of > that character in recent film - and the denial of the award to the movie. I > felt something so equisite and so beautifully crafted was being denied > because of homophobia or the refusal to acknowledge the truth of the story > and the performance. And now Heath Ledger is gone. And now there is media > hysteria about how he died. And it all misses the point - he gave us > something that we had never seen before, a character so incredibly true to > the story and reaching for a truth never before acknowledged. > > Rest eternal grant Heath O God > and let light perpetual shine upon him. > > Vince > > On Jan 22, 2008 6:04 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: > > > Sad to see young actors die. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Yahoo! Mail: un mail innovant avec Messenger compatible Windows Live + stockage > illimiti. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: RE: Heath Ledger NJC - My God.... So now instead of even actually being gay to "burn in hell" and be hated by these so called religious groups, you can just play gay and be hated. If that's not a whackjob, I don't know what is. -M hell wrote: Bob wrote: > You may or not be familiar with Westboro Baptist Church - it's a > thinly-veiled instrument for the hatred and stupidity of the Fred Phelps > family. Even more extreme is their picketing of Military funerals because > god allows homosexuality to exist in the USA. Can you imagine > being at the funeral of a brother, sister, father, etc and having to > deal with that BS as well? > > The "Church" website is www.godhatesfags.com - I do not recommend it to > you or anyone. I saw a 60 Minutes or 20/20 article on these a**holes a while ago. The most disturbing thing to me was that there were children as young as 4 and 5 "protesting" outside a funeral, most carrying "God Hates Fags" placards and signs. They were interviewed later in the segment, and when asked "What's a fag?" didn't have the faintest idea of the answer. The only answer that one of them (who was about ten years old) could give was, "Someone who hates God". The thing I find most repellent about these groups and others (like white supremists) is the brain-washing of the children. No wonder the cycle of abuse and hatred continues - they don't stand a chance. These kids grow up confused and angry, and they don't have a clue as to why. For the record, I thought Brokeback Mountain was a superb film, and Heath Ledger's performance definitely worthy of an Oscar. His death is incredibly sad, especially (as it appears) if it was a accidental. Hell - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:15:31 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Heath Ledger NJC - My God.... From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" > So now instead of even actually being gay to "burn in hell" and be hated > by these so called religious groups, you can just play gay and be hated. > If that's not a whackjob, I don't know what is. I know! I wonder if you can pretend you're pretending to be gay and still go to hell. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:38:36 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: NJC- What do... Queen, Grateful Dead, Neil Young, Led Zeppelin and The Who all have in common? None of them have ever won a Grammy according to this web site: http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000 02548 Some really good musicians shown here and some real stinkers that didn't deserve a Grammy anyway. 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