From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #546 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 23 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 546 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: From Bo ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: From Bo [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Crosby/Stills/Joni <3 [Jerry Notaro ] Fwd: STRAWBSWEBNEWS - JANUARY 2008 - JM mention ["Barbara Stewart" ] re: john stewart r i p ["joe farrell" ] Re: NJC Crosby/Stills/Joni <3 [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: From Bo [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Unfortunately NJC, Stills on.... [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni for your eyes ["Donna Binkley" ] primary, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] RIP Suzanne [Bryan ] RIP - NJC [Joseph Palis ] Re: From Bo/njc [Peep Richman ] RE: From Bo ["Phyliss Ward" ] njc Heath Ledger ["Vince Lavieri" ] Re: RIP - NJC [Victor Johnson ] Tilda Swinton on art (NJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: RIP - NJC [Monika Bogdanowicz ] RE : Heath Ledger + Oscar noms - NJC [Joseph Palis ] Cat Power performs Blue [Joseph Palis ] RE : Tilda Swinton on art (NJC) [Joseph Palis ] Unfortunately NJC Stephen Stills [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: NJC RIP John Stewart/ Eric Clapton ["andrew neave" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:18:42 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: From Bo Bo, I had the wonderful opportunity to meet her & chat with her a bit (mostly her chatting!) not too long ago, at her art opening in LA & have to say that she met, perhaps even exceeded my expectations. I think she is very much the same person in public & private (although this was in public so what do I really know?). Kate > I now have similar fears as to what might happen if I ever met Joni. I am sure Joni has a public and private persona. And, I wonder if we as a whole, imagine Joni to be what she is in her every day life. Does anyone feel the same way? Hugs to you, Bo< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:20:34 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: From Bo > Hi Joni-People, > Does anyone feel the same way? No. I have met all of my glorious J's (Joni, Judy, Joan, and Janis) sometime over the years and they have all been nothing but brilliant and warm. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:21:39 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Crosby/Stills/Joni <3 > Well, I suppose the looks thing is subjective. I'd say in his prime, Nash > was the best looking one, in my opinion. He had very pretty eyes, was very > thin.....and Still is, by far. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:47:17 -0500 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Fwd: STRAWBSWEBNEWS - JANUARY 2008 - JM mention I'm also on The Strawbs list - a UK band from the late 60s-70s that once had Sandy Denny as lead vocalist. They tour the US about once a year, and I've found their shows to be fantastic and original. And last year they headlined the Fairport Convention annual 3-day festival in the UK (excellent, btw!). Dave Cousins, band founder and main composer, is touring US & Canada semi-solo this spring (Mar 6 in NYC). The following newsletter has various name drops regarding the tour material and the new solo album consisting of those numbers. See the JM reference ... (and Gord Lightfoot!). If anyone plans to go to the NYC gig, contact me offlist if you wish to meet up..... Check out the website, folks! B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King >>> From: Dick Greener To:, Date: 1/22/08 8:42 AM Subject: STRAWBSWEBNEWS - JANUARY 2008 - PART 2 Hi all More January news from Strawbsweb. Not ONE but TWO new albums to tell you about this time and some Stop Press news about the March North American tour. Still some news to come about some new features on the website, but that may not be till February now owing to other pressures. DICK ==== Contents - -------- * Cousins US tour - Cutler joins for first 8 dates * Dave Cousins: Secret Paths * Best Of Strawbs (Zounds) ================================================ COUSINS US TOUR - CUTLER JOINS FOR FIRST 8 DATES ================================================ News just in that fiddle player Ian Cutler will be joining Dave Cousins for the first part of Dave's "solo" tour. I understand he'll be with Dave for the first 8 shows only, having to return to the UK for other commitments after that. We've already been delighted by Ian's fantastic fiddle playing over here in the UK, both as part of the Blue Angel Orchestra, and at the one-off Cousins, Cronk & Cutler gig back in November. We'll no doubt get the chance to preview what those US shows will be like at the one-off Cousins & Cuter folk club gig in Gravesend on 25 Jan. Watch this space. =========================== DAVE COUSINS: SECRET PATHS =========================== At the beginning of the year, Dave went into the studio with steel guitar player Melvin Duffy to record a CD which will be sold on the forthcoming US tour. But don't worry - it will be available through record shops and also from www.witchwoodrecords.co.uk as well. In fact those who buy from www.witchwoodrecords.co.uk will get a bonus MP3 track fere of charge - "The Broken Hearted Bride", which Dave recorded on dulcimer for the Secret Paths album, but which will actually be used for the forthcoming Strawbs album instead. Secret Paths focuses on the songs that Dave will be singing on the solo shows. Songs include "Ringing Down The Years", written by Dave on the news of former band member Sandy Denny's tragic death; "Canada" has the endorsement of Gordon Lightfoot; "I'll Show You Where To Sleep" using a tuning shown to Dave by Joni Mitchell; while the new "Plainsong' is as atmospheric as any songs he has ever written. The secret weapon of Secret Paths is steel guitarist Melvin Duffy - Melvin has spent three years on the road with Robbie Williams and has recorded with Joe Cocker and Zucchero among many others. The album is produced by Chris Tsangarides whose studio is littered with gold discs for albums by Yngwie Malmsteen, Judas Priest, and Thin Lizzy, and who stars in the new film Anvil b The Movie. Track listing for Secret Paths is: Song Of A Sad Little Girl Plainsong The Shepherd's Song I Turned My Face Into The Wind Ringing Down The Years Josephine (For Better Or For Worse) Canada How I Need You Now I'll Show You Where To Sleep Beat The Retreat Falling In Love Again Release date is 3rd March 2008. Preview review to follow shortly on Strawbsweb. Two tracks from Secret Paths - "Song Of A Sad Little Girl" and "I'll Show You Where To Sleep" - are on Dave's MySpace site along with selections from Boy In The Sailor Suit and Cousins & Conrad's album High Seas. http://www.myspace.com/davecousinsuk ======================== BEST OF STRAWBS (Zounds) ======================== German label Zounds have licensed a selection of tracks for a new compilation album, mainly from Witchwood Media, but "Part Of The Union" is also on there too. It's an interesting and really enjoyable selection with detailed sleeve notes (in German) and some well-chosen photographs to illustrate the booklet. Track listing as follows: Part Of The Union (Ford/Hudson) - Bursting At The Seams I Only Want My Love To Grow In You (Cousins/Cronk) - Deep Cuts Grace Darling (Cousins) - Greatest Hits Live Burning For Me (Cousins/Mealing) - Burning For You Evergreen (Cousins) - Acoustic Strawbs: Baroque & Roll Lay Down (Cousins) - Blue Angel The River/Down By The Sea (Cousins) - Greatest Hits Live The King (Cousins) - Blue Angel Forever Ocean Blue (Cousins) - Wakeman & Cousins: Hummingbird Cold Steel (Lambert) - Deja Fou If (Cousins) - Deja Fou Heartbreak Hill (Cousins/Cronk) - Heartbreak Hill Deep In The Darkest Night (Cousins) - Cousins & Conrad: High Seas Hero And Heroine (live) (Cousins) - Complete Strawbs Where Is This Dream Of Your Youth (live) (Cousins) - Recollections You can get this from a variety of sources via the web - currently in stock at: www.amazon.de (at prices from 12.90 Euros on the day I looked) www.elimbo.de www.musicline.de has some clips loaded up so you can listen before you buy. We are looking into the possibility of getting some stock into www.witchwoodrecords.co.uk to sell. I'll let you know if that happens. [ends] DICK GREENER London, UK e-mail: dgreener@ndirect.co.uk STRAWBSWEB - www.strawbsweb.co.uk "You'll scarcely believe all the pleasures inside" - --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: Barbara.Stewart@sesameworkshop.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84CgD.ciSCUi.QmFyYmFy Or send an email to: strawbswebnews-unsubscribe@topica.com For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER - --^---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:30:01 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Shine NJC And thanks for your hospitality, Michael - it's always a pleasure to hang with you, you are so cool that you make an uber-nerd like me seem cool just because I know you. I enjoyed hanging out with the band and watching them from the wings, and also drinking up the bands' beers. Felt bad about getting Walter's last Yuengling, though. Look forward to seeing you again in April at the Full Moon dude. And thanks for sharing the pics of the lovely Alison heavy with child hee hee hee... Bob NP: David Baerwald, "Hellbound Train" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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[inside joke from preshow Friday night w/ PHJB ] Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:58:56 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Stormy love affair with Christ Hi David, thanks for your email about Moriarty. His article about Both Sides Now isn't sad, I think, it's just a bit crazy because his statements are unfounded. But it's inspired! I'll send it to you in a separate attachment, in case you still can't open the website. I'm working on a text to add to the Wikipedia entrance on Joni, abut her religious standpoint. I'll submit it t the list first so that everyone can bring up any criticism. It's an interesting question, and I think it's a relevant piece of info for Wikipedia, because there are so many Biblical references in her texts that it would be easy to conjecture that she is a born-again Christian, which chelarly she is not. I'll submit that in a few days to see what you all think. Bene Noticing that the days are really visibly longer in this part of the world. We're on the right side of winter, yay! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 08:10:54 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Clapton overated apology, njc Hi Andy, You are very sweet. Post what you want man. And say it however you want. Put in a few typos for me. I love typos... especially Marianne's. Love, Laura - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:16:32 +0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re: john stewart r i p So sorry to hear the news of John Stewart's passing. I have, on vinyl, "The Lonesome Picker Rides Again" & "California Bloodlines". Both excellent albums imho, his own version of "Daydream Believer" is superb. He will be missed. Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:49:35 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC Crosby/Stills/Joni <3 Oh yes, absolutely. He has taken care of himself and it shows. I also believe he didn't indulge in quite as many drugs as the other two. Good for him. -Monika Jerry Notaro wrote: > Well, I suppose the looks thing is subjective. I'd say in his prime, Nash > was the best looking one, in my opinion. He had very pretty eyes, was very > thin.....and Still is, by far. Jerry - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 09:53:30 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: From Bo Hmm, well I sometimes think about if I were to meet Joni what I would say. I actually have a 4 point speech memorized in my head that I would tell her. My biggest fear in actually meeting her wouldn't be that she wouldn't live up to my expectations but that I would come off as an idiot or she'd think I was with probably my ongoing rambling. I would bet that if you did meet her in a nice, proper way (at a gallery, after a concert, vs. barging in on her eating dinner with friends or doing something private or whatever) she would be very kind. That's just my guess though. -Monika Peep Richman wrote: Hi Joni-People, I now have similar fears as to what might happen if I ever met Joni. I am sure Joni has a public and private persona. And, I wonder if we as a whole, imagine Joni to be what she is in her every day life. Does anyone feel the same way? Hugs to you, Bo - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 10:00:39 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Unfortunately NJC, Stills on.... Did anyone come across the music magazine (I think a British one) from I believe last month which featured Stephen Stills talking about fellow musicians? They had a name listed, such as David Crosby or George Harrison with a sentence to a paragraph or two about Stills' thoughts on the person. It was actually quite interesting to read. I was hoping the name "Joni Mitchell" would be featured but unfortunately it was not though Stephen Stills has said many things about her before but it would have been nice to get an updated opinion. There were many different musicians that Stills was asked about. Most interestingly, was his opinion of Jimi Hendrix which I already knew was very high. He went on and on about Hendrix and his musical ability (and how he learned how to play guitar from him...and Neil Young for that matter). His biggest burn was to Crosby who has been with him musically and in his life quite a while. He basically had only a sentence or two saying he has good and bad memories of Crosby and what more could he say or something like that. He had only kind things to say about Graham Nash calling him the brains of CSN. As for Neil, he called him his "brother" and went on and on about their musical relationship (how he learned guitar from Neil and Hendrix), their strained friendship, and why they do fight so much. It was very interesting to read but I was really hoping for Joni to be mentioned. Ah well. -Monika - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:12:34 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Joni for your eyes Out of boredom on a day off from work, I started searching for Joni pictures and found some real nice ones. Have a look if you are as bored as me or just curious: http://musicsojourn.com/AR/Folk/img/m/MitchellJoni/PI/JoniMitchell_Wolman_300.jpg (Joni late 60's performing) http://www.mediastorehouse.com/image/Joni-Mitchell-folk-singer_180211.jpg (Joni with a flower in her hair sitting by ?) http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2006/11/09/mitchell-joni-cp-1224888.jpg (Joni looking happy) http://www2.2space.net/images/upl_newsImage/1192117390.jpg (Joni and her buddy Herbie) http://malkamarom.com/interviews/facetoface.jpg (A very pretty picture of Joni from '74) That's that for now. Hopefully all those links work alright. You just never know...I don't trust technology and such. -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:14:30 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Joni for your eyes Nice pics Monika. Most I've not seen before. In the second one I'd swear to the heavens that that was Cher sitting next to Joni. What does anyone else think? db >>> Monika Bogdanowicz 1/22/2008 1:12 PM >>> Out of boredom on a day off from work, I started searching for Joni pictures and found some real nice ones. Have a look if you are as bored as me or just curious: http://musicsojourn.com/AR/Folk/img/m/MitchellJoni/PI/JoniMitchell_Wolman_3 00.jpg (Joni late 60's performing) http://www.mediastorehouse.com/image/Joni-Mitchell-folk-singer_180211.jpg (Joni with a flower in her hair sitting by ?) http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/arts/photos/2006/11/09/mitchell-joni-cp-122488 8.jpg (Joni looking happy) http://www2.2space.net/images/upl_newsImage/1192117390.jpg (Joni and her buddy Herbie) http://malkamarom.com/interviews/facetoface.jpg (A very pretty picture of Joni from '74) That's that for now. Hopefully all those links work alright. You just never know...I don't trust technology and such. -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:13:09 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: primary, njc Hi, How are you? some thoughts about politics: I have a great interest in the primaries. . For starters, What do you think is the one theme that unifies the republicans this year? . . . How about . . . Hillary! heh heh! : - ) I just down loaded some footage from last nights debate. . and it looked very interesting. . . I think Obama did a great job. . (yes, I would have liked him to vote for issues more) But, from my perspective Edwards and Obama look better to me that Hillary does. . sorry Hillary. . I would love a woman to be president. . . but I really do not like the idea of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton in the white house (kind of, but not exactly, like nepotism). . and I am not favoring Bill's approach lately. . How WONDERFUL if we had a very creative and true candidate in Hillary's position who took this approach (this was one of my friend's ideas): i.e.. if Hillary said, "LET'S UNITE, we could really benefit from this black man, Barak Obama. . a very genuine and capable candidate in the white house. . . she could encourage the public to vote for him. . and stand strong together and unify the country! What a precedent! She would go down in history. . think of what this would do for the party wouldn't this be beautiful?!!!! unify the country jadsouh (just a dream some of us had) lOve Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:49:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bryan Subject: RIP Suzanne >Also sad to see one of my old flames Suzanne Pleshette pass on - I had a huge crush >back in the Bob Newhart days. >Bob Gosh, even this here gay guy had a sort of crush on SP back then. A "class act," she was. Funny how the death of someone who wasn't extraordinarily famous seems to have had a considerable impact on the public. Maybe it was just a slow news day, or maybe her subtle but sassy elegance really resonated with those of us who appreciate fine things (Joni fans, for example). Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:04:42 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RIP - NJC Sad to see young actors die. First Brad Renfro last week at 25. Then Heath Ledger was found dead today in NYC. All of 28. Joseph in gloomy Chapel Hill np: Van den Budenmayer (a.k.a. Zbiegniew Preisner) - Funeral Music (from "Bleu") - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 11:36:04 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: From Bo/njc Hi Everyone! This posting has NO joni content and I apologize in advance if I've offended anyone. I finally found a home business opportunity that works. I research for so long. The company is Freelife International. Although they sell other product their main product is GoChi Juice...30% more effective than the original Goji Juice which comes from the Mountain of the Himalayas. I've been taking the Goji Juice for over a month and I do notice results...more stamina, better clarity of thought, my gums are perfect, much more energy, sleep much better less stessed and feeling more content and able to cope with problems. If anyone is interested in GoChi Juice or the business opportunity go to www.wellnesssuccessmedia.com/ or www.learnaboutgojijuice.com/ Let me know if you need/want additional information. Yes, I'm beginning to really earn money. Just wanted to let you know. Bo - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:23:45 -0500 From: "Phyliss Ward" Subject: RE: From Bo Monika, I've had the (extreme) pleasure of meeting Joni three times, in 3 different situations (gallery, restaurant with friend, restaurant alone). Although she didn't remember me the second or third times, (nor did I expect to or ask her to try) She was always extremely friendly, kind and genuine. The first time I DID come off as an idiot. My heart was racing out of my body and I could barely put two words together. She could see how nervous I was so she just stood up from her chair and gave me a big hug to calm me down. It doesn't get any better than that. Phyliss Hmm, well I sometimes think about if I were to meet Joni what I would say. I actually have a 4 point speech memorized in my head that I would tell her. My biggest fear in actually meeting her wouldn't be that she wouldn't live up to my expectations but that I would come off as an idiot or she'd think I was with probably my ongoing rambling. I would bet that if you did meet her in a nice, proper way (at a gallery, after a concert, vs. barging in on her eating dinner with friends or doing something private or whatever) she would be very kind. That's just my guess though. -Monika Peep Richman wrote: Hi Joni-People, I now have similar fears as to what might happen if I ever met Joni. I am sure Joni has a public and private persona. And, I wonder if we as a whole, imagine Joni to be what she is in her every day life. Does anyone feel the same way? Hugs to you, Bo - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:06:53 -0500 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: njc Heath Ledger Actually Joseph, one of the reasons that I stopped posting here was I was tired of people (not you) ripping into his performance and/or ripping into the movie Brokeback Mountain. It was an extraordinary performance in a brilliant and insightful movie. Suze can verify how I felt since the first time I saw it she was with me. This morning when the Oscars were announced I reflected how I stopped watching those when they denied Heath the award and gave to to an impersonation that wasn't even th best impersonation of that character in recent film - and the denial of the award to the movie. I felt something so equisite and so beautifully crafted was being denied because of homophobia or the refusal to acknowledge the truth of the story and the performance. And now Heath Ledger is gone. And now there is media hysteria about how he died. And it all misses the point - he gave us something that we had never seen before, a character so incredibly true to the story and reaching for a truth never before acknowledged. Rest eternal grant Heath O God and let light perpetual shine upon him. Vince On Jan 22, 2008 6:04 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: > Sad to see young actors die. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:26:20 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: RIP - NJC On Jan 22, 2008, at 6:04 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: > Sad to see young actors die. > > First Brad Renfro last week at 25. Then Heath Ledger was found dead > today in NYC. All of 28. It's a tragic day all around. I showed up today at the elementary school I'm interning at today and found out that a former teacher there had been shot and killed this past weekend in Tampa. He had been sitting in his car, waiting to meet his brother when a fight broke out nearby and someone pulled out a gun and started shooting. From what I was told, he was an amazing teacher and had won teacher of the year in 2004. A senseless tragedy. Victor NP: American Idol...totally cracking me up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:40:15 -0800 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Tilda Swinton on art (NJC) In an NPR interview, actress Tilda Swinton (one of my favorites since "The Deep End") said this about making movies which I think is parallel to Joni's and many others' views on today's music scene: Swinton has said she would like to see movie distributors take on a "kamikaze vision." "The idea of art making profit, and the idea of making art in order that it make profit and not making art if it looks like it's not going to make profit is anathema to me," she says. "It feels really like the wrong conversation to be having. And the really crucial people in the chain are the distributors because they are the ones who get the films out there, for people to see and for people to build up their taste and for people to want more of that kind of film. And they do have to have a kind of kamikaze spirit; they have to have a kind of gambler's spirit - they have to be prepared to lose. "And the idea of the opening weekend being the criterion for little films that may have nobody you've ever seen in before, maybe by a filmmaker you've never heard of whose name you can't pronounce, maybe in a language you've never heard of - the idea of projecting the pressure of having a fantastic opening weekend onto a film like that is just death to the cinema and death for the audience, because it means then that they're only left with the most straightforward, roadside cafe menu of product." Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:09:41 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: RIP - NJC It really is quite sad to see such young actors die and from such circumstances. Brad Renfro continually had problems with drugs and alcohol. It is a shame he didn't/couldn't get the help he obviously needed. It is always a tragedy to see another pass away because of his/her trouble with addiction. And the thing about Brad Renfro for me was that I had the BIGGEST crush on him when I was 12 years old or so. I remember I saw all his movies, had pictures of him on my wall, sent him letters/love letters, poems, stories, etc. His death brought me back those childhood crush memories....such an innocent time then. I recently watched Apt Pupil with him in it on tv. He really was a fine actor (and that is a good film too). I just wish both their familes (Renfro's and Ledger's) and friends well. It is they who suffer most with the loss of a loved one. -Monika Joseph Palis wrote: Sad to see young actors die. First Brad Renfro last week at 25. Then Heath Ledger was found dead today in NYC. All of 28. Joseph in gloomy Chapel Hill np: Van den Budenmayer (a.k.a. Zbiegniew Preisner) - Funeral Music (from "Bleu") - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:07:51 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Heath Ledger + Oscar noms - NJC Vince, et al First of all, it's great to see you post again. Not that I am a regular poster myself (hoping to defend and write the dissertation this semester) but you very rarely write. Welcome back. I like Heath Ledger too in most of his films. I like that fun moment in "10 Things I Hate About You" when he burst out that "I loooove you, baby and if its quite alright I need you baby...". K have not heard of him before but I thought he was lovable in an off-kilter way. I don't know if I have seen all his films, but I certainly remember "Brokeback Mountain" and his Brando-esque mumblings and was probably rooting for him to win although right now I don't even remember who won that year (Jamie Foxx for "Ray" or was it Philip Seymour Hoffmann in "Capote"?). Then of course he was affecting in "I'm Not There" as an actor whose link to Dylan may have been the later's mid-1960s hipsterism. His on-screen chemistry with Charlotte Gainsbourg is magnetic and mesmerizing. But that's just me -- I love Gainsbourg (both Serge and Charlotte, and oh hell, even Jane Birkin). But yeah, Ledger will be missed. I also read the Oscar nominations this morning. Happy for honoring Cate Blanchett, Tom Wilkinson, Julie Christie, Eastern Promises, Tilda Swinton, Persepolis, etc with nominations. But with the writers' strike, it would be great to see a scaled-down ceremony and see if stars sans teleprompter would be able to fake their way via millions of viewers. I saw a great deal of films but thought Persepolis, I'm Not There, No End in Sight and The Savages are outstanding and a bit surprised at the accolades at other films (Juno, There Will Be Blood, etc.), but then ultimately who cares? Joseph, Chapel Hill np: Old Time Relijun - Garden of Pomegranates Vince Lavieri a icrit : Actually Joseph, one of the reasons that I stopped posting here was I was tired of people (not you) ripping into his performance and/or ripping into the movie Brokeback Mountain. It was an extraordinary performance in a brilliant and insightful movie. Suze can verify how I felt since the first time I saw it she was with me. This morning when the Oscars were announced I reflected how I stopped watching those when they denied Heath the award and gave to to an impersonation that wasn't even th best impersonation of that character in recent film - and the denial of the award to the movie. I felt something so equisite and so beautifully crafted was being denied because of homophobia or the refusal to acknowledge the truth of the story and the performance. And now Heath Ledger is gone. And now there is media hysteria about how he died. And it all misses the point - he gave us something that we had never seen before, a character so incredibly true to the story and reaching for a truth never before acknowledged. Rest eternal grant Heath O God and let light perpetual shine upon him. Vince On Jan 22, 2008 6:04 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: Sad to see young actors die. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail : un mail innovant avec Messenger compatible Windows Live + stockage illimiti. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:15:16 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: primary, njc Well I don't know what theme unifies the Republicans but I would like to comment on the Primaries. I'm very, very interested in this election as well, especially since this is the first time I am able to vote! I'm also working the Primary election here in Ohio on March 4th. That will be interesting. Anyway, I'm still rooting for Hillary Clinton. I agree the most with her views, think she's very intelligent, has her head on straight, and would lead the country right (or so I think/hope). I thought Bill Clinton was a very good President although that doesn't determine Hillary's status as President as they are two different people but still. I don't mind Obama but I just happen to agree more with Clinton's views. Where did you download footage from the debate? -Monika Marianne Rizzo wrote: Hi, How are you? some thoughts about politics: I have a great interest in the primaries. . For starters, What do you think is the one theme that unifies the republicans this year? How about . . . Hillary! lOve Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:13:56 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Cat Power performs Blue Sorry if this was already mentioned/discussed here, but today I heard Chan Marshall sing "Blue" from her newest album of covers called "Jukebox". I like the sweet deconstruction, just like the woman she is paying tribute to. Let me also say that it is only this week that I got me Joni's "Shine" and Herbie's "The Joni Letters". I am excited to listen to them for the first time and may re-surface sometime in the future to share what I thought/experienced of/from these musics. Joseph in northcentral NC np: Dengue Fever - Connect Four - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:34:48 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Tilda Swinton on art (NJC) Hi Lindsay, Thanks for this interview snippets of Tilda. I haven't heard of it yet but like you I love and respect Ms. Swinton and her film choices. I like the kamikaze metaphor. It's akin to blitzkrieg in its all-out fierceness and intensity. Tilda is very androgynous, yes? The first film I saw her in was in Sally Potter's Orlando where she seamlessly shifted from a he to a she against the backdrop of England's ever-shifting cultural landscapes. When I was in Manila I would scour all video rental places so I can watch her early films with Derek Jarman and I am constantly amazed at her expressive impassivity (okay an oxymoron, but if such a concept exists in the thespian world, then Tilda is first among equals). Then she was dynamite in "The Deep End" and the sexual tension between her and Goran Vijnic (sp?) is like this conflagration waiting to happen. She got cited by some critics for her performance in that film. And even if the film is smallish in scale, Tilda shines or at least manages to shine. Remember her in "Thumbsucker" or as one of Bill Murray's flames in "Broken Flowers". That single scene she's in towards the end was most fun to watch. And like her double-entendre in "The Chronicles of Narnia" when she offered Turkish Delight to the kid. Despite those great to excellent performances, I thought she is sublime in "Young Adam" nd "The War Zone". heard she is in talks to play Nico. That would be something to look forward to. Okay, I'll shut up now. Joseph en Carolina Norte np: The Avett Bros. - Love Like the Movies Lindsay Moon a icrit : In an NPR interview, actress Tilda Swinton (one of my favorites since "The Deep End") said this about making movies which I think is parallel to Joni's and many others' views on today's music scene: Swinton has said she would like to see movie distributors take on a "kamikaze vision." "The idea of art making profit, and the idea of making art in order that it make profit and not making art if it looks like it's not going to make profit is anathema to me," she says. "It feels really like the wrong conversation to be having. And the really crucial people in the chain are the distributors because they are the ones who get the films out there, for people to see and for people to build up their taste and for people to want more of that kind of film. And they do have to have a kind of kamikaze spirit; they have to have a kind of gambler's spirit - they have to be prepared to lose. "And the idea of the opening weekend being the criterion for little films that may have nobody you've ever seen in before, maybe by a filmmaker you've never heard of whose name you can't pronounce, maybe in a language you've never heard of - the idea of projecting the pressure of having a fantastic opening weekend onto a film like that is just death to the cinema and death for the audience, because it means then that they're only left with the most straightforward, roadside cafe menu of product." Lindsay - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:51:25 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Unfortunately NJC Stephen Stills Did anyone come across the music magazine (I think a British one) from I believe last month which featured Stephen Stills talking about fellow musicians? They had a name listed, such as David Crosby or George Harrison with a sentence to a paragraph or two about Stills' thoughts on the person. It was actually quite interesting to read. I was hoping the name "Joni Mitchell" would be featured but unfortunately it was not though Stephen Stills has said many things about her before but it would have been nice to get an updated opinion. There were many different musicians that Stills was asked about. Most interestingly, was his opinion of Jimi Hendrix which I already knew was very high. He went on and on about Hendrix and his musical ability (and how he learned how to play guitar from him...and Neil Young for that matter). His biggest burn was to Crosby who has been with him musically and in his life quite a while. He basically had only a sentence or two saying he has good and bad memories of Crosby and what more could he say or something like that. He had only kind things to say about Graham Nash calling him the brains of CSN. As for Neil, he called him his "brother" and went on and on about their musical relationship (how he learned guitar from Neil and Hendrix), their strained friendship, and why they do fight so much. It was very interesting to read but I was really hoping for Joni to be mentioned. Ah well. -Monika - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:49:01 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Tilda Swinton on art (NJC) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lindsay Moon" > "And the idea of the opening weekend being the criterion for little > films > that may have nobody you've ever seen in before, maybe by a > filmmaker you've > never heard of whose name you can't pronounce, maybe in a language > you've > never heard of - the idea of projecting the pressure of having a > fantastic > opening weekend onto a film like that is just death to the cinema > and death > for the audience, because it means then that they're only left with > the most > straightforward, roadside cafe menu of product." > Lindsay > 3 cheers for Tilda! I have been fascinated by her ever since I saw her in Sally Potter's film of Virginia Woolf's 'Orlando'. Very fine, unique actress. Very unique film. It was what motivated me to start reading Woolf long before 'The Hours' came out. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:16:16 -0800 From: "andrew neave" Subject: Re: NJC RIP John Stewart/ Eric Clapton Subject: Re: NJC RIP John Stewart > > It reminds me of the Eric Clapton thread.... > As surely as Clapton is overrated...John Stewart is underrated. > Just scads of good songs among his late 60's early-mid 70's stuff. And > then later, in the 80's again too. I kind of lost track after that. Hey I didnt start this, but here we go again!!!!! Eric Clapton has survived since the 60s and he is still writing songs, that like it or not get into the World charts He has adapted his song writing for each decade up to Now !!!! ! ! His Guitar Playing along side Jimi Hendrix pioneered the way forward in the 60,s and what ever happend to Blues Guitar playing in the 70,s or 80,s, one thing for shure you canot accuse Eric Clapton for Copying other Peoples style when he did it first. (can i hear some talk of BB King and other Black blues guitarists??) Tom Dowd said that Layla was one of the Greatest albums he ever produced and mixed as is the title track written by Eric Has anyone else seen the Video of the Jazz band that Eric formed for one concert in Montreax with Sanborn on sax and other talented musicians, this even amazed me, for Eric proved that he could play in an Electric modern Jazz group he was amazing, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ESlFW9UJPw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmRBvX1mQBw&feature=related Of course all these artists have been brainwashed into playing with Eric havent they!! ! ! ! ! ! Clapton overated??? I dont think so He was a pioneering guitar player in the Sixties the like of which there was only three playing like he did (guess which ?) He wrote songs in the 70,s 80,s 90, up to today 2008 ARE WE ALL WRONG AND AND ONLY A FEW RIGHT ?????????? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 21:15:32 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni's complaints - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" wrote: ....if Joni felt like Janis Joplin didn't like her and Joan Baez wanted to break her limbs, well that's just what she felt so I can't say it's wrong or just paranoia (although as I already expressed my dislike for Baez I would not be surprised about her hating almost everyone). and Mark writes: I finally got my hands on the Mojo interview. There is a lot more to it than Joni's comments on Joan Baez and Janis Joplin. Some of it is very interesting. Maybe I will address some of it in another post. But since Joni's opinions about some of the other female artists of her time have been the subject of several posts, I have had some thoughts churning around my brain on the subject. Actually these thoughts have been churning around for a long time. In another interview from several years back (it could be 10 or 20 years for all I can remember - as Sandy Denny wrote 'who knows where the time goes?'), I remember Joni saying that whenever she was playing a festival or gig where Joan Baez was also on the bill, Ms. Baez always managed to see to it that at least one of Joni's songs got cut from her set. I also remember Joni saying that Judy Collins was once supposed to give her a ride to a particular event that they both were performing at and Judy never showed to pick Joni up! I was a bit surprised at her comment about having problems with Laura Nyro since Joni has always expressed admiration for Laura. I was also surprised to read that Janis Joplin even thought much about Joni as a rival. Of course, from everything I've read about Janis, she was a very insecure, troubled person. But the two had such different styles as performers that I can't imagine that Janis would have felt threatened by Joni. I sometimes think it is a mistake to always take Joni completely literally. The Mojo article quotes Joni as saying Rolling Stone made Joni queen of rock & roll and Janis hated her after that. Not sure what she meant by that exactly. I can maybe see Rolling Stone giving Joni that title in the Court & Spark era but that was several years after Janis died. Whatever Joni's music was in Janis's time, it doesn't seem like rock and roll to me. But then I suppose it depends on how you define rock and roll. My feeling is that Joni probably inspired some resentment and envy among the women who were already established performers when she first hit the scene. I mean, here was this young, relatively unknown woman with a pristine 3 octave voice, perfect pitch, accomplished, unique guitar playing who was also a highly prolific writer/composer of songs that were of a calibre that none of those other women could hope to approach. And then there was the fact that she had long, beautiful blonde hair, amazing cheekbones, deepset blue eyes and the men (fellow musicians and fans alike) were all smitten with her. (Stills was maybe the exception and Judy Blue Eyes was no slouch in the looks department either.) She also projected a personality that was quite captivating and endearing - or could, I imagine, be very annoying, depending on your point of view. I can see how she might have brought out the worst in some of her fellow female performers. I would imagine the field was much more wide open for men then and that it continues to be that way. I'm sure the women had to fight much harder for recognition and just for work and they probably still do. Others have mentioned David Hajdu's book 'Positively 4th Street'. That book gives a portrait of Joan Baez as a very competitive, ambitious person at the beginning of her career. Hajdu describes one incident when Joan was appearing at one of Boston's coffee houses on the same bill as another singer that she had often practiced with. Joan appeared first and performed just about every song in this other woman's set list, causing the other singer to leave the venue without having even performed. Hajdu also says that Joan would sit in the audience at some of these coffee houses when she wasn't on the bill and sing along with whoever was performing on stage. She would sing loud enough and persistently enough that the performer would feel compelled to invite her up on stage. That being said, I think Baez more than likely has probably grown up considerably since those days and I do admire her for both her talent and her commitment to the betterment of the human condition. And although I have never met Joni myself, many people on the JMDL have. Every story I can remember reading here about meeting Joni has been positive. My understanding is that Joni has been gracious and even affectionate with many JMDLers who have had the good fortune to meet her. Shutting up for now. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #546 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------