From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #537 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 16 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 537 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: WTRF ["Marian Russell" ] Re: WTRF now vljc if any [Catherine McKay ] RE: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC ["Phyliss Ward" ] Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC ["Happy The Man" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #428 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #429 [StDoherty@aol.com] Joni Covers - Retro Edition, Volume 22 [Bob Muller ] NJC Jonifest 2008 [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Mojo interview [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Dog Eat Dog [MattJones ] Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC [Michael Paz ] sweet harmony NJC [Alison E ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:00:26 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: WTRF > 3. The songs are wordy, awkward and unmusical. Even Impossible Dreamer and I'm A Lucky Girl??? I love those songs! The album version of Good Friends sounds sort of out-of-tune to me - but the piano version without all the extra effects is interesting - the melody is kind of quirky against the piano chords. I think Tax Free and Fiction are good songs and that Smoking is funny/clever. Overall, I find it's not such a bad album and I like it much better than CMIARS and TTT in any case. Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "KEVIN DOHENY" ; Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: WTRF >I would really like to have an honest discussion with everyone who hates >Dog Eat Dog..I really want to know why most hate it so much.. > > Hate is too strong a word, and I also doubt that "most" dislike it, > but I have tried to like it, without success. I do like "Good Friends" > and "Shiny Toys". What's not good about it, IMO: > 1. The production is plastic, gimmicky. Electronic drum sounds, > synthetic sounding reverb...a desparate attempt to be contemporary. > Thomas Dolby: bad idea. Blinded me with circuit boards. > 2. The vocals aren't that great, or mixed well in relation to the music. > Smoking damage beginning to show. > 3. The songs are wordy, awkward and unmusical. > 4. It simply isn't enjoyable in any way. Like a spoonful of castor oil. > If you have ever heard "3 Great Stimulants" from the Amnesty concert, > it is a far more effective version, no pretense. The version on DED seems > soul-less in comparison. Joni was out of her element, and it showed > bigtime. > RR > ps WTRF is one of my favorite albums, despite reminding me, > acronym-wise of WTF. What The Royal Fuck? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: WTRF now vljc if any - --- Randy Remote wrote: > ps WTRF is one of my favorite albums, despite > reminding me, > acronym-wise of WTF. What The Royal Fuck? > Great minds think alike, except for me the R is "Ruddy". And Kevin, the 80s look, the big hair and shoulder pads are apparently coming back into style. What goes around comes around. It seems the fashion world always likes to go back 20 years. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:19:57 -0500 From: "Phyliss Ward" Subject: RE: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC Thanks for the preview Joseph! I am attending this concert tonight in Asheville with my daughter-in-law! AND...this is just a preview of the Cayamo Singer Songwriter Cruise we are going on in about 3 weeks and includes all 4 of these performers plus many many more! www.sixthman.net I can't believe no one from this group is cruising with us! It is not too late! Phyliss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:56:39 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Dog Eat Dog, was WTRF I probably shouldn't be commenting on this since RR requested to discuss with persons who dislike the album. I like it very much. RR wrote: 1. The production is plastic, gimmicky. Electronic drum sounds, synthetic sounding reverb...a desparate attempt to be contemporary. Thomas Dolby: bad idea. Blinded me with circuit boards. 2. The vocals aren't that great, or mixed well in relation to the music. Smoking damage beginning to show. 3. The songs are wordy, awkward and unmusical. 4. It simply isn't enjoyable in any way. Like a spoonful of castor oil. If you have ever heard "3 Great Stimulants" from the Amnesty concert, it is a far more effective version, no pretense. The version on DED seems soul-less in comparison. Joni was out of her element, and it showed bigtime. now me: re 1.: Yes, plastic, gimmicky, synthetic and desperate. Right on all counts, and exactly why it documents the era of Reagan so well. Not unlike the Eurythmics' brilliant score for Michael Radford's "1984" recorded IN 1984, it remains a pure distillation of the sounds we heard all over pop radio at the time, with good documentary effects when applied with care. "Ethiopia" is a studio materpiece, even if it does remind me ever so slightly of the Monkees "Shades of Grey." re 2.: I think that the vocals mix could have been better in several songs also, but it was in keeping with the contemporary sound. I don't fault Joni for reaching for a production hook. She wasn't selling much in that period. And no, I don't believe it was shoved down her throat. re 3.: Since when has a Joni song being wordy, awkward, or unmusical been a liability? Each in their own blend as she likes. re 4.: I think that "Shine" greatly benefits from some lessons learned from DED. It's not all doom, gloom, and dire warning. Maybe a little lighter balance would have been the spoonful of sugar for DED's castor oil. But just as unfortunately, DED's messages are often reiterated on "Shine." i.e.,"You get witch hunts and wars when chuch and state hold hands." I'm sure that being pelted with trash at the Amnesty International concert didn't help the performance of "Three Great Stimulants" even if it did prove that "everything that is genuine will be scorned, and conned, and cast away" (from "Dog Eat Dog"). As far as being out of her element, you could make the argument that every time she uses sound textures and unexpected arrangements she strays from what some would call her core: guitar, piano and vocal. But I'm not so sure SHE'D agree she has a specific "element" to be out of. I think exploiting the Rambo issues of the day by framing the message in a Rambo soundscape is not a very commercially viable concept. Risky and couragous, definitely. But I wouldn't have expected anything less from Joni and was not disappointed with DED, then nor now. CC _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista. + Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:31:35 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC Joseph, First I'm completely blown away that I didn't even know they were touring together. Beyond the three ladies, probably the only person I would fly across the US to see other then Joni is Buddy Miller. His album "Universal House of Prayer" was my favorite album two years ago. Like Michael I've been listening to a lot of Patty recently and have been focusing on "Flaming Red" probably her rockiest album of all. Two songs "Mary" and especially "Tony" have been heavy on my play list lately. Michael, I've got a single room but would enjoy sharing a room. Laura is not going to be able to make it her first granddaughter is scheduled for arrival that week. Peace, Craig NP: Patty Griffin - Tony On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > Joseph > What a fabulous story and so well written! I want to be a writer when > I grow up. I felt like I was sitting right there with you. I would > kill to see this show. I have worked with Emmy Lou once in the past > and Buddy was with her as was my friend Darryl Johnson (formerly with > the Nevilles and Lanois) and it was fab. I also worked once with Shawn > who was very gracious and sweet esp. with someone who was more > interested in her link to Joni and Larry than I was her. I listen to > Patty daily now as I am smitten with her voice and songs. I also play > her songs quite regularly and I find them so powerful as they make me > cry quite easily esp when I try to sing Nobody's Crying. I hope they > are recording these shows so we can all hear them. Thanks for posting. > Have a great 2008! > > Best > > Paz > > P.S. I guess this is as good a place as any to announce that I have a > better than 50% chance of being able to go to the FULL MOON RESORT for > a little fest that is being held there!!!!!! YaaaaaaaaY! Who all is > going??? Anybody need a roommate? > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: > > Okay since I already delurked for the BSN and "Control" threads, I > might as well tell you all that I watched a concert tonight called > "Three Girls and their Buddy" -- a concert featuring the combined > talents of Patty Griffin, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller. > > Some background story: > > Mary Chapin Carpenter was supposed to perform but she cancelled a few > weeks ago, so Memorial Hall in campus booked the four musicians > instead. Talk about a goldmine. I have always harbored a wish to see > Shawn Colvin in concert before I leave this country. But not only was > Colvin in the bill but also Emmylou and Patty and Buddy. Lucky me, I > was able to snag one of the last tickets for students before it got > sold out. > > The concert was mostly attended by older folks -- I see very few > college kids who were in the audience. The stage has a lot of guitars > and four chairs. When the lights dimmed, out came the four to > thunderous applause. Patty on the left, then Emmylou, Buddy and Shawn. > Emmylou is like an elder stateswoman, a matriarch among the four. She > and Buddy Miller are like a married couple with two precocious > daughters who sounded a bit alike when they sang individually. > > The onstage-patter was in itself a little gem of relaxed and > insightful conversations among friends who treated the stage and the > venue as their living room. No, maybe more like front porch where they > easily trade jokes and barbs to each other in comic and hilarious > fashion. Emmylou is like a lovable but fussy mother who tells stories > about each song she sang tonight and told back stories behind each > song Patty, Shawn and Buddy sang, in that conversational, almost > gossipy way. > > Each one sang a song with occasional duets and the whole concert > lasted for more than 2 hours. There were so many excellent to sublime > moments but here's the Joni part. > > Emmylou said that she is singing a Joni Mitchell song. She said nobody > can sing like Joni and probably no one can copy Joni because of her > intensely original way of singing and phrasing. She related how she > was involved in a Joni tribute some 4-5 years ago and that she was > excited to sing one, only to discover that other musicians already got > the songs she wanted to sing. "The song I am about to sing was taken > from "Turbulent Indigo" and it is a dark and rather angry song". While > talking about Joni she was already strumming the melody of "Magdalene > Laundries" in her guitar. She said, that it is rather unusual for Joni > to have a 'dark' song. Patty agreed by saying "yeah, almost un-Joni" > -- referring to the song. Emmylou also said "There was a movie that > came out a few years ago with the same title or so" then added "it was > also a cheery film just like this song". > > The admiration and respect accorded to Joni by that preface and > singular performance by Emmylou were most evident that night. Then > when she sang the opening lines of the song in that stark, fragile > voice, the audience became still. Emmylou seems to know the song very > well as her voice caressed each line; emphatically eviscerating the > phrase here, pulling back there and sometimes sing/croak the sad > plight of Irish catholic girls who became pregnant "sometimes by their > own fathers". Midway through the song, I felt cold as goose bumps > came. It was a very moving performance -- her diction was impeccably > clear; clean; luminous. > > Great applause after that. > > > Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight > that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- > at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the > highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn > Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. > Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories > ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still > commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty > solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and > Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). > > But Shawn is probably the reason I want to see the concert as I think > I know all her songs, have all her albums, and I have this admiration > for her work (yeah I like her much-panned cd "Whole New You"). But she > was almost painfully shy. Her head was bowed most of the times whether > when singing or providing back up guitar to others. Her shortish hair > covers 75% of her face as though she is willing herself to disappear. > Her ad libs though are always funny (She told this story about her > daughter who loved Belle in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and she > dressed as Belle when Shawn took her to Disneyland. Everyone there > called her Belle and her daughter was beaming that Shawn said: "I > don't know about you folks, but if Disney can make my daughter smile > and laugh and be happy, here's all my money -- take it all -- thanks > for making my daughter happy!"). She confirmed that she is always shy > when journalists and music writers ask her profound questions about > her album. She said > that when she was promoting "These Four Walls", she was afraid that > news journalists might ask her things about her album and songs that > she would rather not discuss. So when she was asked about the theme of > TFW, she said in a forlorn and weary voice: "it is about death...and > regret.... with pretty guitars" and added "which I thought is actually > what the album is all about anyway". Love the self deprecation of this > woman but I somehow wished she stepped up her performance by just a > tiny bit. It was apparent tonight that she and Emmylou wanted to focus > to be on Patty. > > Buddy Miller is a genius. Why havent I heard of him before? He is > married to Julie Miller, yes? I love his voice which sounds like a > cross of John Lee Hooker, Porter Wagoner and Ben Lee (I kid you not!) > but his guitar playing is so excellent, so proficient that it surely > must have reached God in heaven or at least some amorphous deity that > is not of this world. His slide guitar seems to create a sonic scape > that is like strings arrangement that wallpaper the individual voices > of the three singers he accompanies. > > Anyway, when they all sang the last song (an Emmylou song from her > "Wrecking Ball" album), they all bowed while linking their arms to > each other. They look like a family. Emmylou as a the all-capable > mother, Buddy as the self-effacing father, and their two talented > daughters -- the pixie-faced Patty and the svelte and sexy Shawn. The > encore was an a capella piece with an odd meter that is part lullaby, > part railroad holler. Then they reserved the last for Patty to sing > while they all provide loving back ups. > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > (back to the bottom of the ocean) > np: The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends (how apt!) > > > --------------------------------- > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers > Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:31:35 -0600 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC Joseph, First I'm completely blown away that I didn't even know they were touring together. Beyond the three ladies, probably the only person I would fly across the US to see other then Joni is Buddy Miller. His album "Universal House of Prayer" was my favorite album two years ago. Like Michael I've been listening to a lot of Patty recently and have been focusing on "Flaming Red" probably her rockiest album of all. Two songs "Mary" and especially "Tony" have been heavy on my play list lately. Michael, I've got a single room but would enjoy sharing a room. Laura is not going to be able to make it her first granddaughter is scheduled for arrival that week. Peace, Craig NP: Patty Griffin - Tony On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > Joseph > What a fabulous story and so well written! I want to be a writer when > I grow up. I felt like I was sitting right there with you. I would > kill to see this show. I have worked with Emmy Lou once in the past > and Buddy was with her as was my friend Darryl Johnson (formerly with > the Nevilles and Lanois) and it was fab. I also worked once with Shawn > who was very gracious and sweet esp. with someone who was more > interested in her link to Joni and Larry than I was her. I listen to > Patty daily now as I am smitten with her voice and songs. I also play > her songs quite regularly and I find them so powerful as they make me > cry quite easily esp when I try to sing Nobody's Crying. I hope they > are recording these shows so we can all hear them. Thanks for posting. > Have a great 2008! > > Best > > Paz > > P.S. I guess this is as good a place as any to announce that I have a > better than 50% chance of being able to go to the FULL MOON RESORT for > a little fest that is being held there!!!!!! YaaaaaaaaY! Who all is > going??? Anybody need a roommate? > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: > > Okay since I already delurked for the BSN and "Control" threads, I > might as well tell you all that I watched a concert tonight called > "Three Girls and their Buddy" -- a concert featuring the combined > talents of Patty Griffin, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller. > > Some background story: > > Mary Chapin Carpenter was supposed to perform but she cancelled a few > weeks ago, so Memorial Hall in campus booked the four musicians > instead. Talk about a goldmine. I have always harbored a wish to see > Shawn Colvin in concert before I leave this country. But not only was > Colvin in the bill but also Emmylou and Patty and Buddy. Lucky me, I > was able to snag one of the last tickets for students before it got > sold out. > > The concert was mostly attended by older folks -- I see very few > college kids who were in the audience. The stage has a lot of guitars > and four chairs. When the lights dimmed, out came the four to > thunderous applause. Patty on the left, then Emmylou, Buddy and Shawn. > Emmylou is like an elder stateswoman, a matriarch among the four. She > and Buddy Miller are like a married couple with two precocious > daughters who sounded a bit alike when they sang individually. > > The onstage-patter was in itself a little gem of relaxed and > insightful conversations among friends who treated the stage and the > venue as their living room. No, maybe more like front porch where they > easily trade jokes and barbs to each other in comic and hilarious > fashion. Emmylou is like a lovable but fussy mother who tells stories > about each song she sang tonight and told back stories behind each > song Patty, Shawn and Buddy sang, in that conversational, almost > gossipy way. > > Each one sang a song with occasional duets and the whole concert > lasted for more than 2 hours. There were so many excellent to sublime > moments but here's the Joni part. > > Emmylou said that she is singing a Joni Mitchell song. She said nobody > can sing like Joni and probably no one can copy Joni because of her > intensely original way of singing and phrasing. She related how she > was involved in a Joni tribute some 4-5 years ago and that she was > excited to sing one, only to discover that other musicians already got > the songs she wanted to sing. "The song I am about to sing was taken > from "Turbulent Indigo" and it is a dark and rather angry song". While > talking about Joni she was already strumming the melody of "Magdalene > Laundries" in her guitar. She said, that it is rather unusual for Joni > to have a 'dark' song. Patty agreed by saying "yeah, almost un-Joni" > -- referring to the song. Emmylou also said "There was a movie that > came out a few years ago with the same title or so" then added "it was > also a cheery film just like this song". > > The admiration and respect accorded to Joni by that preface and > singular performance by Emmylou were most evident that night. Then > when she sang the opening lines of the song in that stark, fragile > voice, the audience became still. Emmylou seems to know the song very > well as her voice caressed each line; emphatically eviscerating the > phrase here, pulling back there and sometimes sing/croak the sad > plight of Irish catholic girls who became pregnant "sometimes by their > own fathers". Midway through the song, I felt cold as goose bumps > came. It was a very moving performance -- her diction was impeccably > clear; clean; luminous. > > Great applause after that. > > > Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight > that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- > at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the > highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn > Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. > Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories > ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still > commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty > solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and > Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). > > But Shawn is probably the reason I want to see the concert as I think > I know all her songs, have all her albums, and I have this admiration > for her work (yeah I like her much-panned cd "Whole New You"). But she > was almost painfully shy. Her head was bowed most of the times whether > when singing or providing back up guitar to others. Her shortish hair > covers 75% of her face as though she is willing herself to disappear. > Her ad libs though are always funny (She told this story about her > daughter who loved Belle in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and she > dressed as Belle when Shawn took her to Disneyland. Everyone there > called her Belle and her daughter was beaming that Shawn said: "I > don't know about you folks, but if Disney can make my daughter smile > and laugh and be happy, here's all my money -- take it all -- thanks > for making my daughter happy!"). She confirmed that she is always shy > when journalists and music writers ask her profound questions about > her album. She said > that when she was promoting "These Four Walls", she was afraid that > news journalists might ask her things about her album and songs that > she would rather not discuss. So when she was asked about the theme of > TFW, she said in a forlorn and weary voice: "it is about death...and > regret.... with pretty guitars" and added "which I thought is actually > what the album is all about anyway". Love the self deprecation of this > woman but I somehow wished she stepped up her performance by just a > tiny bit. It was apparent tonight that she and Emmylou wanted to focus > to be on Patty. > > Buddy Miller is a genius. Why havent I heard of him before? He is > married to Julie Miller, yes? I love his voice which sounds like a > cross of John Lee Hooker, Porter Wagoner and Ben Lee (I kid you not!) > but his guitar playing is so excellent, so proficient that it surely > must have reached God in heaven or at least some amorphous deity that > is not of this world. His slide guitar seems to create a sonic scape > that is like strings arrangement that wallpaper the individual voices > of the three singers he accompanies. > > Anyway, when they all sang the last song (an Emmylou song from her > "Wrecking Ball" album), they all bowed while linking their arms to > each other. They look like a family. Emmylou as a the all-capable > mother, Buddy as the self-effacing father, and their two talented > daughters -- the pixie-faced Patty and the svelte and sexy Shawn. The > encore was an a capella piece with an odd meter that is part lullaby, > part railroad holler. Then they reserved the last for Patty to sing > while they all provide loving back ups. > > Joseph in Chapel Hill > (back to the bottom of the ocean) > np: The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends (how apt!) > > > --------------------------------- > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers > Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:02:12 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - njc From: "Happy The Man" > Beyond the three ladies, probably the only person I would fly > across the US to see other then Joni is Buddy Miller. Coincidentally, I just noticed that Alison Moorer's new CD, "Mockingbird", due in Feb. was produced by Buddy Miller. I came to Alison Moorer via her sister, Shelby Lynne, who's new CD will be out on the 29th, and is a tribute to Dusty Springfield. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:29:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - njc Randy Remote wrote: I came to Alison Moorer via her sister, Shelby Lynne, > who's new CD will be out on the 29th, and is a tribute to > Dusty Springfield. > RR > This is great news, Randy. I've long been a Shelby Lynne fan and have always felt she channelled Dusty, especially her Dusty in Memphis sound. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:00:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, njc Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - njc I just bought an advance copy on eBay. I'll let you know how it is. If you go to her sight there is a video of her in the studio recording I Only Want to Be With You. Thanks for the heads up. Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > I'm looking forward to hearing it, too- > There was a write-up about her new one > in this Sunday's NY Times magazine section. > She has chucked the tomboy image for a > more glammed up look-yow!! > http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/magazine/13Lynne-t.html > She was hoping > for a big selling record with her song "Killin' Kind" > from the Bridget Jones Diary ST but it came out > right around 9/11 so radio wouldn't touch it > because of the title! I also just realized she played > Johnny Cash's mother in "Walk The Line"-I guess > I will have to watch that thing after all. Maybe I'll > just play a real Johnny Cash record while I watch. > RR > >> via her sister, Shelby Lynne, >>> who's new CD will be out on the 29th, and is a tribute to >>> Dusty Springfield. >>> >> This is great news, Randy. I've long been a Shelby Lynne fan and have >> always felt she channelled Dusty, especially her Dusty in Memphis sound. >> >> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:03:45 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - njc I'm looking forward to hearing it, too- There was a write-up about her new one in this Sunday's NY Times magazine section. She has chucked the tomboy image for a more glammed up look-yow!! http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/magazine/13Lynne-t.html She was hoping for a big selling record with her song "Killin' Kind" from the Bridget Jones Diary ST but it came out right around 9/11 so radio wouldn't touch it because of the title! I also just realized she played Johnny Cash's mother in "Walk The Line"-I guess I will have to watch that thing after all. Maybe I'll just play a real Johnny Cash record while I watch. RR > via her sister, Shelby Lynne, >> who's new CD will be out on the 29th, and is a tribute to >> Dusty Springfield. >> > This is great news, Randy. I've long been a Shelby Lynne fan and have > always felt she channelled Dusty, especially her Dusty in Memphis sound. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:32:40 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: WTRF I thought the Amensty show stress from the crowd added to the effectiveness of 3 Great Stimulants. I listened to DED the other day and I have to admit I like some of the tracks esp. Good Friends, the song DED. Ethiopia, and Impossible Dreamer. The production is weak. *I* could have done a much better job than that Dolby character. I also love the demo of Good Friends from the Geffen release. Best Paz NP-Louisiana IA PHJB Live Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 15, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Randy Remote wrote: I would really like to have an honest discussion with everyone who hates Dog Eat Dog..I really want to know why most hate it so much.. Hate is too strong a word, and I also doubt that "most" dislike it, but I have tried to like it, without success. I do like "Good Friends" and "Shiny Toys". What's not good about it, IMO: 1. The production is plastic, gimmicky. Electronic drum sounds, synthetic sounding reverb...a desparate attempt to be contemporary. Thomas Dolby: bad idea. Blinded me with circuit boards. 2. The vocals aren't that great, or mixed well in relation to the music. Smoking damage beginning to show. 3. The songs are wordy, awkward and unmusical. 4. It simply isn't enjoyable in any way. Like a spoonful of castor oil. If you have ever heard "3 Great Stimulants" from the Amnesty concert, it is a far more effective version, no pretense. The version on DED seems soul-less in comparison. Joni was out of her element, and it showed bigtime. RR ps WTRF is one of my favorite albums, despite reminding me, acronym-wise of WTF. What The Royal Fuck? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:53:43 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #428 In a message dated 1/15/2008 3:02:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). ..... This review was a pleasure to read. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:55:10 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #429 In a message dated 1/15/2008 5:04:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: So is the next question - what do YOU think is the Aretha moment in Ladies Man?... Joni .. Aretha??? Nope **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:52:33 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers - Retro Edition, Volume 22 Howdy gang - can't believe January 15th is here already, seems like only yesterday I was watching Dick Clark's shriveled ball drop in Times Square. Whatever, this volume has some real great stuff on it, and some that will make you run away as if your hair is on fire. And as always, it is Clapton-free. http://download.yousendit.com/36DB87B64556423F Here's what's on it: 1. Yale Whiffenpoofs of 1972 - I Don't Know Where I Stand 2. Aerial Landscapes - Both Sides Now 3. Sylvia McNeill - Chelsea Morning 4. Michael Stanbury & The Jubilee Singers - The Circle Game 5. Jane Monheit - A Case of You 6. Christine Sullivan - I Think I Understand 7. Christine Sullivan - How Do You Stop 8. Johanne Blouin - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 9. Johanne Blouin - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 10. Lydia van Dam - Both Sides Now 11. Beth Yeshaya - A Case of You 12. James Vincent - I Don't Know Where I Stand 13. The Woodstock Singers - The Circle Game 14. Anni Clark - He Comes For Conversation 15. Percy Faith - Both Sides Now 16. Marti Pellow - River 17. Frank Stallone - A Case of You 18. The Travelers - Cactus Tree 19. The Travelers - Both Sides Now http://download.yousendit.com/36DB87B64556423F Bob NP: Sufjan Stevens, "The Seers Tower" (I'm ready for some new stuff from him) PS: Thanks to the 32 of you who downloaded # 96, hope you're digging it. - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:23:29 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Jonifest 2008 Well Paz mentioned Jonifest so I thought it deserved its own thread. Who all here is going to the Northeast Jonifest in 08'? Who will I be seeing there? -Monika, who has been working two jobs to afford Jonifest...(and to save up and to afford my Canada vacation in the summer)... - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Mojo interview Hmm....I do find it rather curious that Joni and Janis didn't get on well or atleast that Joni got the impression Janis hated her. Janis Joplin seemed like a pretty easygoing gal so I wonder why? However, I wonder if she really did have a problem with Joni or Joni just felt like she did? You know what I mean? Sometimes you think there are those who don't like you but often it's in your head (not that it was all in Joni's head but I'm just saying). As for Baez, well I'd be more surprised if I actually read somewhere that she liked someone..anyone...other than herself. -Monika anon anon wrote: I thought the interview with Joni in the lastest issue of Mojo magazine was very interesting... In a way I'm suprised that Joni had so much trouble getting along with Janis Joplin, Joan Baez and Laura Nyro... apparently Joni felt hated by Janis, and Joni felt as if Joan Baez wanted to break her leg... jealousy, most likely... In a way it's suprising because Janis Joplin got along very well with Raquel Welch on the Dick Cavett show. though Janis and Raquel are in different occupations, so I guess it makes sense that there would be less jealousy between them then there would be between Janis and Joni... _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: MattJones Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog It took me several years to wrap my ears around Dog Eat Dog. When I first heard it, I was totally turned off by the slick production, the synths, all the things that made it sound mechanical and metallic. Fast forward several years to the first time I heard those acoustic live performances of "Stimulants" "Dog Eat Dog" and "Impossible Dreamer." Hearing those three songs re-contextualized into a familiar Joni idiom opened them up for me. They were strongly melodic, poetic songs, which the production on the album initially prevented me from hearing. So, I decided to give the album another try. This time around, it was as if I was hearing Joni for the first time again. The whole album seemed to be ironic. Certainly, all the traditional Joni elements are there (provocative lyrics, compelling melodic lines, delicious dissonances in the harmony) but they are wrapped up in the sounds of the 80s, a sort of postmodern critical commentary or a big raspberry in the face of 80s materialism, what she will later refer to as the failure of her generation to fulfill its promise, long-standing frustration with the record business, politics, the economy, and the environment....quintessential Joni, in my humble opinion. Having said that, the album does sound dated in many respects; even Joni says that. However, I feel it's still a relevant and important album, and it's far too often poo poo'ed on in evaluations of her output, as are WTRF and Chalk Mark. So, if you're having trouble getting into DED, try listening to those acoustic performances...someone on the list (me, for that matter) will gladly send you the mp3s. that's my two cents! MJ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 22:36:49 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC Craig Thanks alot. I will be in touch. I hope this works out with everything. I am waiting to hear back from Ashara on a few things too. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 15, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Happy The Man wrote: Joseph, First I'm completely blown away that I didn't even know they were touring together. Beyond the three ladies, probably the only person I would fly across the US to see other then Joni is Buddy Miller. His album "Universal House of Prayer" was my favorite album two years ago. Like Michael I've been listening to a lot of Patty recently and have been focusing on "Flaming Red" probably her rockiest album of all. Two songs "Mary" and especially "Tony" have been heavy on my play list lately. Michael, I've got a single room but would enjoy sharing a room. Laura is not going to be able to make it her first granddaughter is scheduled for arrival that week. Peace, Craig NP: Patty Griffin - Tony On Jan 15, 2008 8:35 AM, Michael Paz wrote: Joseph What a fabulous story and so well written! I want to be a writer when I grow up. I felt like I was sitting right there with you. I would kill to see this show. I have worked with Emmy Lou once in the past and Buddy was with her as was my friend Darryl Johnson (formerly with the Nevilles and Lanois) and it was fab. I also worked once with Shawn who was very gracious and sweet esp. with someone who was more interested in her link to Joni and Larry than I was her. I listen to Patty daily now as I am smitten with her voice and songs. I also play her songs quite regularly and I find them so powerful as they make me cry quite easily esp when I try to sing Nobody's Crying. I hope they are recording these shows so we can all hear them. Thanks for posting. Have a great 2008! Best Paz P.S. I guess this is as good a place as any to announce that I have a better than 50% chance of being able to go to the FULL MOON RESORT for a little fest that is being held there!!!!!! YaaaaaaaaY! Who all is going??? Anybody need a roommate? Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Joseph Palis wrote: Okay since I already delurked for the BSN and "Control" threads, I might as well tell you all that I watched a concert tonight called "Three Girls and their Buddy" -- a concert featuring the combined talents of Patty Griffin, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller. Some background story: Mary Chapin Carpenter was supposed to perform but she cancelled a few weeks ago, so Memorial Hall in campus booked the four musicians instead. Talk about a goldmine. I have always harbored a wish to see Shawn Colvin in concert before I leave this country. But not only was Colvin in the bill but also Emmylou and Patty and Buddy. Lucky me, I was able to snag one of the last tickets for students before it got sold out. The concert was mostly attended by older folks -- I see very few college kids who were in the audience. The stage has a lot of guitars and four chairs. When the lights dimmed, out came the four to thunderous applause. Patty on the left, then Emmylou, Buddy and Shawn. Emmylou is like an elder stateswoman, a matriarch among the four. She and Buddy Miller are like a married couple with two precocious daughters who sounded a bit alike when they sang individually. The onstage-patter was in itself a little gem of relaxed and insightful conversations among friends who treated the stage and the venue as their living room. No, maybe more like front porch where they easily trade jokes and barbs to each other in comic and hilarious fashion. Emmylou is like a lovable but fussy mother who tells stories about each song she sang tonight and told back stories behind each song Patty, Shawn and Buddy sang, in that conversational, almost gossipy way. Each one sang a song with occasional duets and the whole concert lasted for more than 2 hours. There were so many excellent to sublime moments but here's the Joni part. Emmylou said that she is singing a Joni Mitchell song. She said nobody can sing like Joni and probably no one can copy Joni because of her intensely original way of singing and phrasing. She related how she was involved in a Joni tribute some 4-5 years ago and that she was excited to sing one, only to discover that other musicians already got the songs she wanted to sing. "The song I am about to sing was taken from "Turbulent Indigo" and it is a dark and rather angry song". While talking about Joni she was already strumming the melody of "Magdalene Laundries" in her guitar. She said, that it is rather unusual for Joni to have a 'dark' song. Patty agreed by saying "yeah, almost un-Joni" - -- referring to the song. Emmylou also said "There was a movie that came out a few years ago with the same title or so" then added "it was also a cheery film just like this song". The admiration and respect accorded to Joni by that preface and singular performance by Emmylou were most evident that night. Then when she sang the opening lines of the song in that stark, fragile voice, the audience became still. Emmylou seems to know the song very well as her voice caressed each line; emphatically eviscerating the phrase here, pulling back there and sometimes sing/croak the sad plight of Irish catholic girls who became pregnant "sometimes by their own fathers". Midway through the song, I felt cold as goose bumps came. It was a very moving performance -- her diction was impeccably clear; clean; luminous. Great applause after that. Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). But Shawn is probably the reason I want to see the concert as I think I know all her songs, have all her albums, and I have this admiration for her work (yeah I like her much-panned cd "Whole New You"). But she was almost painfully shy. Her head was bowed most of the times whether when singing or providing back up guitar to others. Her shortish hair covers 75% of her face as though she is willing herself to disappear. Her ad libs though are always funny (She told this story about her daughter who loved Belle in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and she dressed as Belle when Shawn took her to Disneyland. Everyone there called her Belle and her daughter was beaming that Shawn said: "I don't know about you folks, but if Disney can make my daughter smile and laugh and be happy, here's all my money -- take it all -- thanks for making my daughter happy!"). She confirmed that she is always shy when journalists and music writers ask her profound questions about her album. She said that when she was promoting "These Four Walls", she was afraid that news journalists might ask her things about her album and songs that she would rather not discuss. So when she was asked about the theme of TFW, she said in a forlorn and weary voice: "it is about death...and regret.... with pretty guitars" and added "which I thought is actually what the album is all about anyway". Love the self deprecation of this woman but I somehow wished she stepped up her performance by just a tiny bit. It was apparent tonight that she and Emmylou wanted to focus to be on Patty. Buddy Miller is a genius. Why havent I heard of him before? He is married to Julie Miller, yes? I love his voice which sounds like a cross of John Lee Hooker, Porter Wagoner and Ben Lee (I kid you not!) but his guitar playing is so excellent, so proficient that it surely must have reached God in heaven or at least some amorphous deity that is not of this world. His slide guitar seems to create a sonic scape that is like strings arrangement that wallpaper the individual voices of the three singers he accompanies. Anyway, when they all sang the last song (an Emmylou song from her "Wrecking Ball" album), they all bowed while linking their arms to each other. They look like a family. Emmylou as a the all-capable mother, Buddy as the self-effacing father, and their two talented daughters -- the pixie-faced Patty and the svelte and sexy Shawn. The encore was an a capella piece with an odd meter that is part lullaby, part railroad holler. Then they reserved the last for Patty to sing while they all provide loving back ups. Joseph in Chapel Hill (back to the bottom of the ocean) np: The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends (how apt!) - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:34:29 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: sweet harmony NJC i saw a show last year (or the year before?) called the sweet harmony music review that featured emmy lou harris, buddy miller, gillian welch, david rawlings, and patty griffin. similar idea, slightly different lineup, but it was in my top five best live shows of all time. it was outside, on a beautiful summer evening, with cocktails and snacks and good pals. i think buddy and julie miller, unlike eric clapton, are sadly underrated and unknown. check out their self-titled album, or love snuck up. they're both worth every penny. also buddy miller's album universal united house of prayer is quite brilliant. alison e. in slc ps: as a loyal shawn colvin fan, i also loved whole new you, which i thought had some terribly good songs on it. i don't know why it was panned! np: simpsons ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:34:29 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: sweet harmony NJC i saw a show last year (or the year before?) called the sweet harmony music review that featured emmy lou harris, buddy miller, gillian welch, david rawlings, and patty griffin. similar idea, slightly different lineup, but it was in my top five best live shows of all time. it was outside, on a beautiful summer evening, with cocktails and snacks and good pals. i think buddy and julie miller, unlike eric clapton, are sadly underrated and unknown. check out their self-titled album, or love snuck up. they're both worth every penny. also buddy miller's album universal united house of prayer is quite brilliant. alison e. in slc ps: as a loyal shawn colvin fan, i also loved whole new you, which i thought had some terribly good songs on it. i don't know why it was panned! np: simpsons ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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