From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #534 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, January 14 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 534 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Re: Clapton Is a blues guitarist, judge him on this ability ["andrew] ladies man [Michel BYRNE ] Re: NJC Re: Clapton Is a blues guitarist, judge him on this ability [Bo] Re: ladies man [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Re: Clapton Is a blues guitarist, judge him on this ability [Em] Re: ladies man [Deb Messling ] Re: NJC Re: Clapton Is a blues guitarist, judge him on this ability [Mo] Re: ladies man [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni Ringtones? , now misunderstanding, NJC [Rian Afriadi ] great guitar player nobody has mentioned njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Obit Zoe Capernos SJC ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: YES.... Onward, njc [Michael Paz ] Re: Dave Blackburn's Down To You ["Marian Russell" ] re: desert island discs ["joe farrell" ] Re: NJC Contacting Ashara... [pleader@nyc.rr.com] WTRF [KEVIN DOHENY ] NJC Control, Ian Curtis / Joy Division film [missblux@googlemail.com] Tina, Herbie, Luciana & Eric [Paul Castle ] re: desert island discs [Deb Messling ] Re: Tina, Herbie, Luciana & Eric [Michael Paz ] Re: Tina, Herbie, Luciana & Eric [Jeannie ] RE: Clapton overated who are the true Guitarists ?????? NJC ["Jim Kauffm] Control - now with Joni Content (some) [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: great guitar player nobody has mentioned njc [Jeannie ] Re: RE : Control, Ian Curtis / Joy Division film - NJC [missblux@googlema] Re: election, njc [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC [J] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:18:26 -0800 From: "andrew neave" Subject: NJC Re: Clapton Is a blues guitarist, judge him on this ability : Re: Clapton overated who are the true Guitarists ?????? NJC >I just can't let this one go without comment, I mean Bob's original > post about Clapton being over-rated. > I have followed Clapton's career almost since day one, at least from > his days with the Yardbirds. Those days he was certainly amongst the > best in the pop/rock world. This is a fact long substantiated by > those who were there and the fact that his work has continued to be > highly regarded by fans and many in the business who are fans. If you > want examples, I'd be glad to dig up quotes from Jimi Hendrix, B.B. > King, George Harrison, Duane Allman and others who shared his music > with him, that portray Eric Clapton as fine and innovative player. > > Is Eric Clapton one of the world's greatest guitarists? I feel that > he was for a while in the late Sixties. > .> >> >> For guitar, for me John McLaughlin, Allan Holdsworth, and Robert >> Fripp are particularly good. I also love Pat Metheny, btw. If you >> think Clapton is better than these guys (or even as good) that's >> fine, I won't argue, but I can't agree. >> >> Michael Flaherty - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------- Well yes Eric Clapton is a blues Guitarist you cant really compare his playing with Pat Metheny good as he is, this goes to my original point that I wonder if Bob regrets saying that Clapton was and is overated, // Keith Richards isnt a fantasic soloist guitarist but he has come up with some of the best Riffs in Pop history !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the same goes with Eric Clapton Sunshine of your love , Layla, and many more on countless Albums that he has done. And yes he has reinvented himself Decade after Decade and written some great Pop songs that are played on the Radio all over the world As i said play the Cream album Wheels on Fire live CD and listen to Spoofull and Crossroads and look at the Date 1967 ??? now who was playing better that Year ????? Clapton is god LOL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:40:49 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: ladies man Hi Monika, interesting you should find Ladies Man soulful in its vocal style - Joni somewhere said that she used an Aretha Franklin vocal tick in that song, but didnt say where. So is the next question - what do YOU think is the Aretha moment in Ladies Man?... (I havent heard the song in ages, not having it in CD format, and my turntable being on the blink). CHeers! Michel _________________________________________________________________ Share what Santa brought you https://www.mycooluncool.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:17:17 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC Re: Clapton Is a blues guitarist, judge him on this ability Well, wonder no longer Andrew. I do not regret stating my opinion. I have enjoyed reading all the posts about him, however. Bob NP: Joni, "Urge For Going" (this song is so awesome - I really wonder why Joni omitted it from STAS - It fits the theme of leaving the city to venture to the seaside. Maybe because it had been previously recorded already?) - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:44:25 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: ladies man And is why Joni urged Chaka Khan to record it on her new Funk This. Jerry > Hi Monika, interesting you should find Ladies Man soulful in its vocal style - > Joni somewhere said that she used an Aretha Franklin vocal tick in that song, > but didnt say where. So is the next question - what do YOU think is the Aretha > moment in Ladies Man?... (I havent heard the song in ages, not having it in CD > format, and my turntable being on the blink). > CHeers! > Michel > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share what Santa brought you > https://www.mycooluncool.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:28:58 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: NJC Re: Clapton Is a blues guitarist, judge him on this ability - -- andrew neave wrote: > And yes he has reinvented himself Decade after Decade and > written some > great Pop songs that are played on the Radio all over the world He's the Forrest Gump of blues guitar! :P Sometime this last year I happened to recognize some guitar work (that was being played on a PA prior to a local concert) as Clapton. It wasn't any particularly famous cut of his, as far as being a hit. Just some rather tasty blues onslaught... and I remember thinking, wow, I guess Clapton *does* have his own sound. I'd gone over to the soundman and asked who it was. I can't remember now what song it was, or with what band, or if just sitting in as a guest. But it seemed, somehow, I should know who that is.... and yep, it'wer Clapton. To my mind so far what Lama said makes most sense..to paraphrase what I understood: Clapton is basically like a super-fantastic sessions man, who caught a wave and so ended up sitting on top of the world. To the extent someone thought he was "god". LOLOLOLLLLLLL!!! Speaking of sessions - thinking nobody has mentioned Jeff "Skunk" Baxter??? sheesh......that guy can play too... but remains behind the scenes. But far be it from me to rain on Clapton's parade... rock and roll would be a poorer place without "Crossroads" (altho the other 2 guys are way important there too), "Let it Rain", "After Midnight" and even the sickly sweet "Easy Now" and others. But the guy definately "caught a wave". And part of that wave was the Robert Stigwood "wave". I mean who could have imagined that sh_t happening? Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:37:27 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: ladies man These posts prompted me to listen again to a song that I've always disliked. Still do. I have a new appreciation for the arrangement - never considered the song to be in the "soul" category - but it still doesn't move me. I don't like the vocal and don't think it suits the song. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: NJC Re: Clapton Is a blues guitarist, judge him on this ability But no matter what is said, it still comes down to opinion. Clapton is indeed a guitarist who is thought highly of, generally speaking. He always has been and he always will be but there will always be people who don't care for him and his playing. It is subjective. As for Bob's and (I forget who said it but someone said Clapton left him cold) another JMDLer saying Clapton doesn't do much for them, so be it. I have had conversations with others who loved Clapton...and others who thought Clapton was a crock. By crock I mean, these people thought Clapton wasn't very original at all and that all he did was take blues licks from the older blues guys, copy them, and sound like any other blues guitarist. Now I disagree and I have said I like Clapton but it all comes down to opinion. I saw him live in 2000 something (I can't remember the year though I do have the ticket stub...maybe I should check?)and it was a fantastic show. Now I've heard some say Jimi Hendrix is overrated. Interesting, eh? I could tell you I find Eddie Van Halen to be overrated and then I could probably find thousands of people who LOVE HIM and would want to persuade me to think not. Well you can't really be persuaded on matters like these. -Monika andrew neave wrote: :Well yes Eric Clapton is a blues Guitarist you cant really compare his playing with Pat Metheny good as he is, this goes to my original point that I wonder if Bob regrets saying that Clapton was and is overated, // Keith Richards isnt a fantasic soloist guitarist but he has come up with some of the best Riffs in Pop history !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the same goes with Eric Clapton Sunshine of your love , Layla, and many more on countless Albums that he has done. And yes he has reinvented himself Decade after Decade and written some great Pop songs that are played on the Radio all over the world As i said play the Cream album Wheels on Fire live CD and listen to Spoofull and Crossroads and look at the Date 1967 ??? now who was playing better that Year ????? Clapton is god LOL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:54:00 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: ladies man Hmm, that's a tough question for me. I'm really not familiar enough with Aretha Franklin's work to be able to say. Sure, I've heard many songs, who hasn't? The problem is I've never *really* listened in depth as I have respect for Aretha Franklin but am not particularly a fan. So, anybody else have an answer please? -Monika Michel BYRNE wrote: Hi Monika, interesting you should find Ladies Man soulful in its vocal style - Joni somewhere said that she used an Aretha Franklin vocal tick in that song, but didnt say where. So is the next question - what do YOU think is the Aretha moment in Ladies Man?... (I havent heard the song in ages, not having it in CD format, and my turntable being on the blink). CHeers! Michel _________________________________________________________________ Share what Santa brought you https://www.mycooluncool.com - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:27:09 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Joni Ringtones? , now misunderstanding, NJC I do thank Phyliss for clearing the misunderstanding. Rian PS. Phyliss Ward is already a PhD since he was born. See his name : Phyliss warD, can I simplify it to PhD?? - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:49:42 -0500 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Rolling Stones 100 Best Guitarist Of All Time SJC I see Richard Thompson made # 19 on RS all time list. For any Thompson fans near Boston he is touring and will be at the Berklee Performance Center on February 1st. You may remember his version of Woodstock and Black Crow on the All-Star Tribute to Joni Mitchell in(2000). - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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Ladies Man is very different from Joni's other songs until this point. I'll say it's even a soul song or has soul in it (not "soul" as in emotion and leaving you "warm" as opposed to "cold" like in the Clapton discussion...though it's got that kind of soul too...). I don't think we'd ever heard anything like it before. I'd argue that Man To Man is along the same lines. The whole album is really a rock/pop/jazz/soul album I'd say....with I suppose some folkiness in it. Anyhow, I really like the vocal on Ladies Man, the overall melody, and the concept of the song...not to mention the first line is genius....telling the ladies man he could charm the diamonds off a rattlesnake...how clever! -Monika JF: (just finished!) The Bell Jar- Sylvia Plath - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:26:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: great guitar player nobody has mentioned njc David Lindley, master of all things stringed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:15:59 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: election, njc I am still feeling this and fearing this: I think obama would make a great president: but I am hearing on the radio. . (just a little bit) People are talking about how he used drugs in his past (who cares?) BUT, BUT. . the republicans will blow this up. I fear they will take this (not until obama wins the primary) and convince the American public with their big money and heaps of advertising that this man is unfit to be the role model for our country. . and then we will be stuck with another republican no one could be as bad as George Bush except maybe Romney (could be close). . I WOULD like to see Obama in office. . . yet, we must WIN this time. and Hillary is so hated by many. . . (not all. . but many) even though I feel she would make a good president. . (I am not a big favorite of Bill Clinton. . although his and hillary's policies more closely resemble my views than any of the repubs) (except for Ron Paul . . which he is not really a repub.) We just cannot . . cannot have another republican in there. . . so for now I am still sticking with John Edwards. . It is a strategy thing for me. I don't want to see them pull the big drug card on Obama after he wins the primary. (if you hear a message enough times, like they stated: Iraq + 911 Iraq + 911 people will begin to believe it. . . and with the repub. financial base. . they have the money to spend for a continuous media blitz. . (and don't forget, they are going to escalate the terroism threat) we have to have the cleanest, brightest candidate. (who ever that is) thoughts on this day, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:57:28 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Obit Zoe Capernos SJC Zok Capernaros Jan Fairley Thursday January 10, 2008 The Guardian Zok Capernaros, who has died of cancer aged 52, was buried at the winter solstice in a wicker basket in a woodland burial place outside Edinburgh. As friends celebrated her life in the Cockpen and Carrington church, a shaft of light illuminated the stained-glass window. Zok - who believed in the power of the Earth, the cycle of the seasons and the wisdom of nature - seemed to have chosen her burial day. Article continues - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Her Greek father, Vrassidas, and Hebridean Scottish mother, Clare, gave her the name Zok, meaning life, and Zok danced through life - she danced everything from Indian to Greek to Scottish ceilidh, and her latest passion was Scottish step. She met Angus Millar, the man she loved, dancing. Zok was born in Farnborough, Kent, and grew up in south London. I first met her in 1992 when we both sang with Talitha McKenzie's acapella group Sedenka, where Zok introduced us to Greek songs of the Aegean. At the time she was leaving her job as assistant keeper of fine art at the Edinburgh City Art Centre, where she curated the Joni Mitchell exhibition (she had a history of art degree) for the Cockburn Association, while also pursuing training as a herbalist. Having found her true vocation she never looked back, becoming lecturer in herbal medicine at Napier University, Edinburgh, and teaching complementary medicine at the city's Queen Margaret College. In her consulting room, Zok listened with quiet gravitas, asking gentle yet penetrating questions that often elicited deep feelings. As one patient said, "She could see into you, work out what made you tick and how to get you ticking properly again." She was quietly successful: to her surprise, after an article about her appeared in the Independent, patients flew up from London to consult her. Zok lived life to the full, constantly linking people together. Last year she began an MSc at Edinburgh University's school of Scottish studies researching Scottish and Gaelic herbal folklore. She is survived by her brothers Kimon and Michael, her sister Anna, and Angus. - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:19:11 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: YES.... Onward, njc Thanks for posting this. I still love Yes and have been enjoying the videos on YouTube today. Love Paz NP-Onward-Yes on You Tube Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 12, 2008, at 8:57 PM, Laura Stanley wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-PP5j0gXBI Yo Yes, This song makes me miss my childhood friend Linda Barnes from Bellevue, Nebraska. After I moved from there to Arkansas, after the 6th grade, I wrote to her every week for years. I talked to her on the phone once after I moved. We were in college then. She didn't think it was me on the phone, and when I asked her why? she said because I didn't have a southern accent when I left Nebraska. She was studying violin in college in Lincoln and was into YES. I wish she was into Joni and happened upon this discussion list because after that phone call, I lost touch with her. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:06:56 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Dave Blackburn's Down To You Dave Blackburn wrote: > ... One month I'll sit down with 3 cases of wine and do Paprika > Plains, that no one will ever play... I'll play it! I promise! Please find time, soon! And thank you for Blue and Down To You!!! Marian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:03:43 +0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re: desert island discs Simon Rattle, conductor and composer, was on Desert Island Discs yesterday on BBC Radio 4. One of his selections was Joni singing "Sometimes I'm Happy" from BSN. He described the BSN: as "one of the most extraordinary jazz albums of the last twenty years" and stated that Joni "wrote the soundtrack for our generation", (even if we did "drop the baton" ultimately). Obviously he is a man of impeccable taste. The programme is probably available on the BBC website i'm sure. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:53:50 -0500 From: pleader@nyc.rr.com Subject: Re: NJC Contacting Ashara... hey there- i'm at ashara's house right now. she got your payment, but she's been super busy and apologizes for not responding. cheers! patrick - ----- Original Message ----- From: Monika Bogdanowicz Date: Sunday, January 13, 2008 10:59 pm Subject: NJC Contacting Ashara... To: Joni people! > Hey there JMDL people! I was wondering if the email address > listed as Ashara's on the JMDL site is still indeed valid? I ask > because I emailed that over a week ago as I am trying to contact > Ashara and have still received no answer. I emailed her asking if > she had received my Jonifest deposit as I'd like to send more of my > payment in but before I do I just want to make sure the first of it > got there alright. So is that the best way to contact her? Is > that still valid? I realize she may just be busy.....but I just > want to make sure. I'm cautious that way. > -Monika > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:49:49 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: WTRF It took me forever to get into this album..I think it has alot to do with getting into Joni's earlier work first and being totally consumed by it.. I needed literally years to venture any further than DJRD..What finally got me into WTRF was the Refuge of the Roads dvd..Hearing and watching the openng track wtrf I thought to myself..well this isn't THAT bad..In fact, I kinda dug Joni's "totally 80's" styling(hair,clothes etc) and in the context it really fit with the song...What really blew me away was watching Joni play the piano on(For Free..brilliant!!) Chinese Cafe..I had heard the song before on the hits album, but seeing it played like that,right when it had been released and she was really feeling those feelings..It just took me over! I bought the album the next day..and that lead the way to the rest of her magnificant canon...On a scale of 1-10 I give it a "solid" 7.5 maybe 8 as a whole it is a great listen..I can see why people who have been scorned and love joni for her ability to soothe those aches would not like this record..However once you're in love it really has some terrific "I am totally crazy in love" songs..Changing courses for a second(and I know I am a bit ocd about this) but I would really like to have an honest discussion with everyone who hates Dog Eat Dog..I feel like I am trying to convert lol..But i really want to know why most hate it so much..But that'll be in another post..Gemini mind..Hope all are well! Sending Jersey love to all! :) Kev - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:18:17 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC Control, Ian Curtis / Joy Division film Hello, I watched the new film about Ian Curtis of Joy Division tonight and highly recommend it.The director is a rock-n-roll photographer and has filmed it in black and white. Apparently, he read many manuscripts before he stumbled over Curtis' biography and decided his was the one film only he could make. I think that is why it doesn't have the feeling of a dutiful documentary, but of a story he wanted to tell, to the world or maybe just to himself. I think he sold his house to make the film. It's just really beautifully shot, very clean in the story and the images, and very moving. It has been a long time since I found film really see-worthy. This one was good! Go see it, dears. Bene from Benelurkdom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:32:14 +0000 From: Paul Castle Subject: Tina, Herbie, Luciana & Eric Went looking to see if any videos have been made for Herbie Hancock's album and thought I'd struck gold when I found a YouTube link for Tina Turner singing Edith & The Kingpin - sadly it's just a still photo of the album cover but still great to be able to hear this wonderful rendition online - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaRx52OD8IY However, this led me to a short video on the making of the album, with Larry Klein interviewing Herbie and shots of the musicians - Dave Holland, Wayne Shorter, Lionel Loueke & Vinnie Colaiuta - playing in the studio on The Tea Leaf Prophecy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y8kZeJRvjM ....which then led me to a promo video for 'The New Bossa Nova' by Luciana Souza (who sings Amelia on 'River : The Joni Letters'), which starts with a clip of her version of Joni's 'Down to You' and includes shots of her recording a duet with James Taylor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB1HaRbB93o which (still needing another fix of Tina) led me to a very funky live version of Tony Joe White's 'Steamy Windows' performed by "Myth Eric Turner" with TJW on guitar and a truly surreal Monty Pythonesque introduction by John Cleese - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goBv43aAEd0 (suggest turning the volume up to 11 when she starts singing) best to all Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:35:46 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: re: desert island discs Thanks for this alert, Joe. I like BSN better than some people on this list do, but in any case I'm always tickled when someone "serious" and "legitimate" appreciates Joni. At 04:03 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote: >Simon Rattle, conductor and composer, was on Desert Island Discs yesterday >on BBC Radio 4. One of his selections was Joni singing "Sometimes I'm Happy" >from BSN. > >He described the BSN: as "one of the most extraordinary jazz albums of the >last twenty years" and stated that Joni "wrote the soundtrack for our >generation", (even if we did "drop the baton" ultimately). Obviously he is a >man of impeccable taste. > >The programme is probably available on the BBC website i'm sure. > >Regards, > >Joe. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:50:47 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Tina, Herbie, Luciana & Eric Good find Paul. Man I have been on YouTube all day today. Paz in Ft. Pierce NP-River Herbie... Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Jan 14, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Paul Castle wrote: Went looking to see if any videos have been made for Herbie Hancock's album and thought I'd struck gold when I found a YouTube link for Tina Turner singing Edith & The Kingpin - sadly it's just a still photo of the album cover but still great to be able to hear this wonderful rendition online - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaRx52OD8IY However, this led me to a short video on the making of the album, with Larry Klein interviewing Herbie and shots of the musicians - Dave Holland, Wayne Shorter, Lionel Loueke & Vinnie Colaiuta - playing in the studio on The Tea Leaf Prophecy - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y8kZeJRvjM ....which then led me to a promo video for 'The New Bossa Nova' by Luciana Souza (who sings Amelia on 'River : The Joni Letters'), which starts with a clip of her version of Joni's 'Down to You' and includes shots of her recording a duet with James Taylor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB1HaRbB93o which (still needing another fix of Tina) led me to a very funky live version of Tony Joe White's 'Steamy Windows' performed by "Myth Eric Turner" with TJW on guitar and a truly surreal Monty Pythonesque introduction by John Cleese - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goBv43aAEd0 (suggest turning the volume up to 11 when she starts singing) best to all Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:44:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Tina, Herbie, Luciana & Eric I was most impressed with Luciana Souza from the beginning upon listening to the Joni Letters. Joni's a most difficult act to follow, express one's self and act upon unless it's someone like Luciana Souza for someone like Larry. Unbelievably talented and so artisically versatile. Jeannie (coming in from the cold) ....which then led me to a promo video for 'The New Bossa Nova' by Luciana Souza (who sings Amelia on 'River : The Joni Letters'), which starts with a clip of her version of Joni's 'Down to You' and includes shots of her recording a duet with James Taylor - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB1HaRbB93o nj ' - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:08:04 -0500 From: "Jim Kauffman" Subject: RE: Clapton overated who are the true Guitarists ?????? NJC Thank Clapton we've cleared this up (with props to Viv Stanshall). > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Bruce Eggleston > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:58 AM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Clapton overated who are the true Guitarists ?????? NJC > > I just can't let this one go without comment, I mean Bob's > original post about Clapton being over-rated. > I have followed Clapton's career almost since day one, at > least from his days with the Yardbirds. Those days he was > certainly amongst the best in the pop/rock world. This is a > fact long substantiated by those who were there and the fact > that his work has continued to be highly regarded by fans and > many in the business who are fans. If you want examples, I'd > be glad to dig up quotes from Jimi Hendrix, B.B. > King, George Harrison, Duane Allman and others who shared his > music with him, that portray Eric Clapton as fine and > innovative player. I don't think he is or was god, but he has > contributed a great deal to music throughout his entire > career, like it or not. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:55:14 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Control - now with Joni Content (some) I posted my recommendation of Anton Corbijn's film about Ian Curtis as NJC (I hope?!), but just realized that Corbijn shot the video of 'My Secret Place' with Joni and Peter Gabriel. So there you are: all off to watch Control in your nearest cinema! It's a must now...! Bene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:07:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: great guitar player nobody has mentioned njc Dave Lindley's distinct guitar strums and pickings are etched in my heart forever. I love Ry Cooder's guitar style above all others. Bruce Springsteen guitar sends me into whirlwinds. So did Warren Zevon, above all others, when I saw him perform live, especially towards the end. "Oh, my God!" was all I could think and feel. If you want to hear some awesome music, guitar playing, and intense lyrics, you should give Warren Zevon's final works of art a listen. It's called, "The Wind." David Lindley, Bruce Springsteen, Ry Cooder and others strut their stuff like beautiful peacocks on that most touching album. Love, Jeannie Warren Kate Bennett wrote: David Lindley, master of all things stringed. nj ' - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:48:29 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Control, Ian Curtis / Joy Division film - NJC Briefly delurking to respond to Bene's message. I love "Control" too -- one of my top 5 best films of 2007, hands down. I heard of Joy Division through "Love Will Tear Us Apart" -- a song that is all the more beautiful when seen in the context of the film. I love "She's Lost Control" too as a song because of its intensity that gains momentum as it slowly reaches its feral denouement. Almost like Ravel's "Bolero" with its cascading crescendo. But "Control" is a beautiful film -- not just for its b&w palette that simultaneously reminds you of early Godard and those radical kitchen sink films Great Britain produced in the 60s. Sam Riley really got Ian Curtis' gesture and mannerism (in a parallel example, I thought Val Kilmer's Jim Morrison's portrayal in Oliver Stone's "The Doors" really nailed the almost effeminate ways of Morrison), and Samantha Morton is a joy to watch. God, this woman is a national treasure. Any film she appears in -- from "Morvern Callar" to "Sweet and Lowdown", and even as the tragic Mary Stuart in "Elizabeth: The Golden Age" -- guarantees top notch performance. Yet as good as she is, I thought Alexandra Maria Lara as Annik stood out. Do yourself a favor and watch Coppola's largely unseen "Youth Without Youth" to see what Lara can do. "Control" manages to be an engaging "biopic" (hate that word as much as "celebutante") despite the short-lived career of Curtis and of Joy Division as a band. I thought it managed to show the life of a tortured and epileptic musician. I want to say more about this film but as this message is already in rambling category, I'd better stop. Joseph, Chapel Hill np: Efterklang - Caravan missblux@googlemail.com a icrit : Hello, I watched the new film about Ian Curtis of Joy Division tonight and highly recommend it.The director is a rock-n-roll photographer and has filmed it in black and white. Apparently, he read many manuscripts before he stumbled over Curtis' biography and decided his was the one film only he could make. I think that is why it doesn't have the feeling of a dutiful documentary, but of a story he wanted to tell, to the world or maybe just to himself. I think he sold his house to make the film. It's just really beautifully shot, very clean in the story and the images, and very moving. It has been a long time since I found film really see-worthy. This one was good! Go see it, dears. Bene from Benelurkdom - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:58:44 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : re: desert island discs I just had to add my voice to those who say they love BSN the album. I thought that the orchestral (maybe Wagnerian might be more apt but I won't say that) arrangements by Vince Mendoza created a musical space for Joni's mature voice to convey the exact shade of autumn, of regret, of loneliness, of wisdom-through-the-years kinda theme. I loved the thematic arc of the album, the tasteful song choices and the character that Joni brings to each song. Remember how she almost suddenly spews the lyrics "you've changed" from the song of the same name, as though she wanted to say out loud what her heart felt all this time. Many people said, BSN is like Joni's "Lady in Satin" album and I kinda agree with the comparison -- both Billie and Joni showcased a mature, almost-brittle voice that is all the more heartbreaking how the pristine voiced has became what it became in later years. As though the singing voice in itself is the medium of the message (very MacLuhannesque). My favorite Joni song in BSN is ACOY and among the standards, I thought "Answer Me My Love" eclipsed all other recorded versions I heard. Yes, even Nat "King" Cole's version. Joseph in North Carolina np: Charalambides - Figs and Oranges Deb Messling a icrit : Thanks for this alert, Joe. I like BSN better than some people on this list do, but in any case I'm always tickled when someone "serious" and "legitimate" appreciates Joni. At 04:03 PM 1/14/2008, you wrote: >Simon Rattle, conductor and composer, was on Desert Island Discs yesterday >on BBC Radio 4. One of his selections was Joni singing "Sometimes I'm Happy" >from BSN. > >He described the BSN: as "one of the most extraordinary jazz albums of the >last twenty years" and stated that Joni "wrote the soundtrack for our >generation", (even if we did "drop the baton" ultimately). Obviously he is a >man of impeccable taste. > >The programme is probably available on the BBC website i'm sure. > >Regards, > >Joe. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:17:00 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: RE : Control, Ian Curtis / Joy Division film - NJC Hi Joseph, so glad to hear that you liked the film. It's so balanced, somehow... You know it's funny because I did not know Alexandra Maria Lara; and wondering who she was there was a brief moment when I was wondering if it might be Charlotte Gainsbourg because they minded me of each other. I remember that you like Gainsbourg; you are bound to love Alexandra Maria Lara! I didn't like the part she played, in the sense that there was something about Annik I found really disturbing, as if she did in fact not love Curtis as much as he did her, or as if she was just somehow a simpler person. I don't know... Bene at 5:15 AM, thinking of maybe going to bed before having to teach in (HELP!) five hours....how is that going to happen.... On Jan 15, 2008 4:48 AM, Joseph Palis wrote: > Briefly delurking to respond to Bene's message. > > I love "Control" too -- one of my top 5 best films of 2007, hands down. I > heard of Joy Division through "Love Will Tear Us Apart" -- a song that is > all the more beautiful when seen in the context of the film. I love "She's > Lost Control" too as a song because of its intensity that gains momentum as > it slowly reaches its feral denouement. Almost like Ravel's "Bolero" with > its cascading crescendo. > > But "Control" is a beautiful film -- not just for its b&w palette that > simultaneously reminds you of early Godard and those radical kitchen sink > films Great Britain produced in the 60s. Sam Riley really got Ian Curtis' > gesture and mannerism (in a parallel example, I thought Val Kilmer's Jim > Morrison's portrayal in Oliver Stone's "The Doors" really nailed the almost > effeminate ways of Morrison), and Samantha Morton is a joy to watch. God, > this woman is a national treasure. Any film she appears in -- from "Morvern > Callar" to "Sweet and Lowdown", and even as the tragic Mary Stuart in > "Elizabeth: The Golden Age" -- guarantees top notch performance. Yet as good > as she is, I thought Alexandra Maria Lara as Annik stood out. Do yourself a > favor and watch Coppola's largely unseen "Youth Without Youth" to see what > Lara can do. > > "Control" manages to be an engaging "biopic" (hate that word as much as > "celebutante") despite the short-lived career of Curtis and of Joy Division > as a band. I thought it managed to show the life of a tortured and epileptic > musician. > > I want to say more about this film but as this message is already in > rambling category, I'd better stop. > > Joseph, Chapel Hill > np: Efterklang - Caravan > > missblux@googlemail.com a icrit : > Hello, > > I watched the new film about Ian Curtis of Joy Division tonight and > highly recommend it.The director is a rock-n-roll photographer and has > filmed it in black and white. Apparently, he read many manuscripts > before he stumbled over Curtis' biography and decided his was the one > film only he could make. I think that is why it doesn't have the > feeling of a dutiful documentary, but of a story he wanted to tell, to > the world or maybe just to himself. I think he sold his house to make > the film. It's just really beautifully shot, very clean in the story > and the images, and very moving. > > It has been a long time since I found film really see-worthy. This one > was good! Go see it, dears. > > Bene from Benelurkdom > > > > ________________________________ > Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! > Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:24:53 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: election, njc I can't say for sure as I'm not in charge of these things but I really doubt America will elect a Republican for President. I think they've had enough of Republicans for now but who knows really? -M Marianne Rizzo wrote: I am still feeling this and fearing this: I think obama would make a great president: but I am hearing on the radio. . (just a little bit) People are talking about how he used drugs in his past (who cares?) BUT, BUT. . the republicans will blow this up. I fear they will take this (not until obama wins the primary) and convince the American public with their big money and heaps of advertising that this man is unfit to be the role model for our country. . and then we will be stuck with another republican no one could be as bad as George Bush except maybe Romney (could be close). . I WOULD like to see Obama in office. . . yet, we must WIN this time. and Hillary is so hated by many. . . (not all. . but many) even though I feel she would make a good president. . (I am not a big favorite of Bill Clinton. . although his and hillary's policies more closely resemble my views than any of the repubs) (except for Ron Paul . . which he is not really a repub.) We just cannot . . cannot have another republican in there. . . so for now I am still sticking with John Edwards. . It is a strategy thing for me. I don't want to see them pull the big drug card on Obama after he wins the primary. (if you hear a message enough times, like they stated: Iraq + 911 Iraq + 911 people will begin to believe it. . . and with the repub. financial base. . they have the money to spend for a continuous media blitz. . (and don't forget, they are going to escalate the terroism threat) we have to have the cleanest, brightest candidate. (who ever that is) thoughts on this day, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 05:50:03 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Patty Griffin, Emmylou, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller in concert - SJC Okay since I already delurked for the BSN and "Control" threads, I might as well tell you all that I watched a concert tonight called "Three Girls and their Buddy" -- a concert featuring the combined talents of Patty Griffin, Emmylou Harris, Shawn Colvin and Buddy Miller. Some background story: Mary Chapin Carpenter was supposed to perform but she cancelled a few weeks ago, so Memorial Hall in campus booked the four musicians instead. Talk about a goldmine. I have always harbored a wish to see Shawn Colvin in concert before I leave this country. But not only was Colvin in the bill but also Emmylou and Patty and Buddy. Lucky me, I was able to snag one of the last tickets for students before it got sold out. The concert was mostly attended by older folks -- I see very few college kids who were in the audience. The stage has a lot of guitars and four chairs. When the lights dimmed, out came the four to thunderous applause. Patty on the left, then Emmylou, Buddy and Shawn. Emmylou is like an elder stateswoman, a matriarch among the four. She and Buddy Miller are like a married couple with two precocious daughters who sounded a bit alike when they sang individually. The onstage-patter was in itself a little gem of relaxed and insightful conversations among friends who treated the stage and the venue as their living room. No, maybe more like front porch where they easily trade jokes and barbs to each other in comic and hilarious fashion. Emmylou is like a lovable but fussy mother who tells stories about each song she sang tonight and told back stories behind each song Patty, Shawn and Buddy sang, in that conversational, almost gossipy way. Each one sang a song with occasional duets and the whole concert lasted for more than 2 hours. There were so many excellent to sublime moments but here's the Joni part. Emmylou said that she is singing a Joni Mitchell song. She said nobody can sing like Joni and probably no one can copy Joni because of her intensely original way of singing and phrasing. She related how she was involved in a Joni tribute some 4-5 years ago and that she was excited to sing one, only to discover that other musicians already got the songs she wanted to sing. "The song I am about to sing was taken from "Turbulent Indigo" and it is a dark and rather angry song". While talking about Joni she was already strumming the melody of "Magdalene Laundries" in her guitar. She said, that it is rather unusual for Joni to have a 'dark' song. Patty agreed by saying "yeah, almost un-Joni" -- referring to the song. Emmylou also said "There was a movie that came out a few years ago with the same title or so" then added "it was also a cheery film just like this song". The admiration and respect accorded to Joni by that preface and singular performance by Emmylou were most evident that night. Then when she sang the opening lines of the song in that stark, fragile voice, the audience became still. Emmylou seems to know the song very well as her voice caressed each line; emphatically eviscerating the phrase here, pulling back there and sometimes sing/croak the sad plight of Irish catholic girls who became pregnant "sometimes by their own fathers". Midway through the song, I felt cold as goose bumps came. It was a very moving performance -- her diction was impeccably clear; clean; luminous. Great applause after that. Anyway, I thought Patty Griffin stepped up her performance tonight that earned her new fans and great applause. She has a great voice -- at once alto-esque then can spiral up and cleanly reach for the highest notes needed in the song. She sounded like an early Shawn Colvin because she has dusky low notes too that are so appealing. Emmylou is so gracious and genuine and so funny just by her stories ("I am 60 years old and I have a mother who is 86 and she still commands me to wear a helmet when I bike"). Her voice is still pretty solid and of the three women, she is soprano to Patty's mezzo and Shawn's alto (just to be simplistic about it). But Shawn is probably the reason I want to see the concert as I think I know all her songs, have all her albums, and I have this admiration for her work (yeah I like her much-panned cd "Whole New You"). But she was almost painfully shy. Her head was bowed most of the times whether when singing or providing back up guitar to others. Her shortish hair covers 75% of her face as though she is willing herself to disappear. Her ad libs though are always funny (She told this story about her daughter who loved Belle in Disney's "Beauty and the Beast" and she dressed as Belle when Shawn took her to Disneyland. Everyone there called her Belle and her daughter was beaming that Shawn said: "I don't know about you folks, but if Disney can make my daughter smile and laugh and be happy, here's all my money -- take it all -- thanks for making my daughter happy!"). She confirmed that she is always shy when journalists and music writers ask her profound questions about her album. She said that when she was promoting "These Four Walls", she was afraid that news journalists might ask her things about her album and songs that she would rather not discuss. So when she was asked about the theme of TFW, she said in a forlorn and weary voice: "it is about death...and regret.... with pretty guitars" and added "which I thought is actually what the album is all about anyway". Love the self deprecation of this woman but I somehow wished she stepped up her performance by just a tiny bit. It was apparent tonight that she and Emmylou wanted to focus to be on Patty. Buddy Miller is a genius. Why havent I heard of him before? He is married to Julie Miller, yes? I love his voice which sounds like a cross of John Lee Hooker, Porter Wagoner and Ben Lee (I kid you not!) but his guitar playing is so excellent, so proficient that it surely must have reached God in heaven or at least some amorphous deity that is not of this world. His slide guitar seems to create a sonic scape that is like strings arrangement that wallpaper the individual voices of the three singers he accompanies. Anyway, when they all sang the last song (an Emmylou song from her "Wrecking Ball" album), they all bowed while linking their arms to each other. They look like a family. Emmylou as a the all-capable mother, Buddy as the self-effacing father, and their two talented daughters -- the pixie-faced Patty and the svelte and sexy Shawn. The encore was an a capella piece with an odd meter that is part lullaby, part railroad holler. Then they reserved the last for Patty to sing while they all provide loving back ups. Joseph in Chapel Hill (back to the bottom of the ocean) np: The Sundays - Here's Where the Story Ends (how apt!) - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #534 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------