From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #533 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, January 14 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 533 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Covers in the New Rolling Stone [Mark-Leon Thorne ] David Crosby - njc ["Jerry Notaro" ] What are the odds....? (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Chuck Mitchell [] Re: Joni Ringtones? [Chris Marshall ] Re: Clapton overrated who are the true Guitarists ?????? NJC ["Mark Scot] A few more bassists, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Dave Blackburn's Down To You [Michael ] RE: Joni Ringtones? ["Phyliss Ward" ] Re: David Crosby - njc [Bob Muller ] NJC Re: Joni Covers in the New Rolling Stone NJC [Bob Muller ] re: sally barker ["joe farrell" ] re: sally barker [Bob Muller ] Ladies Man/WTRF faves [Monika Bogdanowicz ] NJC Contacting Ashara... [Monika Bogdanowicz ] who are the true Guitarists ?????? (njc) [] On disagreeing, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Clapton overated who are the true Guitarists ?????? NJC [Bruce Eggle] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:09:27 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers in the New Rolling Stone Interesting name, Okkervill River. Okker is a slang term in Australia for a person who is a bit rough, usually from the outback. Sloppy dress and strong accent. An American equivalent would be a hillbilly from the Ozarks. Well deserved praise from Rolling Stone though. They do a fine job of BITB, Bob. I am dying to hear Cat Power's cover of Blue. I first heard her on the Faithless album, To All New Arrivals. She sings the song, A Kind of Peace. She has an earthy voice. She would be well suited to some folk sounds. Mark in Sydney NP A Kind of Peace - Faithless featuring Cat Power ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:16:43 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Ringtones? Hi Phyliss. I believe you can just use any mp3 as a ringtone on the iPhone. You just need to direct it to the mp3 in your set up screen. Unfortunately Australia is still waiting for the iPhone because the silly people at Apple made it a 2.5 G phone and we have long since been a 3 G network. I've held off buying an iPod or a new phone in favour of this. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:16:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: David Crosby - njc Next week's music spotlight on CBS Sunday Morning. They just interviewed Muller's favorite hottie actress Laura Linney. Great story, great actress. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:08:08 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: What are the odds....? (njc) So I was in a minor car accident on Friday morning. I was on my way to the elementary school I'm interning at, had just made a left turn on to a major boulevard (named Boulevard actually) when damn, if someone going down a side street didn't just pull out in front of me. They were in a van, had just delivered some fresh bread to Stone Soup Cafe, and apparently never learned to look both ways and/or just assumed no one was coming. I was going the customary 30 mph and bam, slammed right into them. My front end was messed up a bit but nothing a body shop can't fix. I definitely did a number on their driver's side door and the rim was damaged hence a tow truck was forthcoming...all their fault of course. They were ticketed for "failure to yield" and I was sent on my way though I did have a minor scare. I had called the police almost immediately and they were there in a few minutes. But when I went to get my registration and insurance, I realized I had left my wallet at home...d'oh!!! What saved me though, was early on, I told the officer I was teaching at Parkside Elementary (which was true). Right before he let me go, he said, "Now I should have given you a ticket for not having your license with you, but since you're teaching in Fulton County, I'll let it go this time." I was so incredibly relieved as I didn't ask for any of this...teaching is often such a thankless job so its good to see that are people who respect teachers for the demanding work they do. Now the weird part of this story is, last night I was on my way to a gathering. I stopped at Whole Food to pick up a bottle of wine to bring, pulled out of the parking lot and drove down La Vista Road to wait for the light. Sure enough, someone just pulled out of a parking lot without any warning - the lady in the other lane was letting them go so they just assumed any other car coming down the road would automatically know that---bad idea to assume anything ever!!!!- and at least this time I was going a little slower but still couldn't avoid hitting them. Fortunately, the only damage to their big cadillac car was some minor scratched on the front side bumper. We just shook hands and decided to let it go. The funny moment was when the other guy looked over at my car with wide eyes and said, "Did that just happen?!" Needless to say, I was little freaked out at that point...is someone trying to send me a message? And also pissed off...why do people keep on pulling out in front of me! The gathering I went to was lots of fun. A beautiful house with a lighted trail through a garden in the back and a little cottage , a couple of fires, some people juggling and fire dancing. They also had an art exchange where you bring a piece of original art and put your name in a bowl then draw someone else's name. You end up with their piece of art and someone ends up with yours. I brought my two cd's as my art and the host of the party ended up with them which was cool. At first, I drew a name and looked at the table and it was a pink scarf with hearts on it....not me at all! But my friend Laurel saw I had drawn the scarf so offered to trade me and I end up with a beautiful raku made bowl. Victor WP: Yes "Siberian Katru" NP: Joni Mitchell "If I Had a Heart" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 8:00:29 -0800 From: Subject: Chuck Mitchell It is indeed nice to see Chuck get a website going. I have seen him several times over the last few years at the annual Folk Alliance conferences. He is a witty and charming man and an "entertainer" rather than just a singer, weaving poems and stories into the songs (including Circle Game one show.) He seems very relaxed and comfortable with who he is. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@ca.rr.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:27:31 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Joni Ringtones? On 13 Jan 2008, at 04:14, Rian Afriadi wrote: > I make my own Joni ringtones! > Pretty easy. I cut the mp3s using a simple audio editor software, > then send it via bluetooth to my cellphone. Voila! It's not quite that simple to roll your own for the iPhone, since you currently need the help of third party software to get the ringtones recognised by the phone. Phyliss, Tell us a little about what computer you have, and in particular whether it's a Mac or a PC. If you're using a Mac, I can recommend a couple of bits of software that should set you in the right direction. > Come on Phylis, > That's pretty easy! > For God's sake, you're a PhD! But do you know what her PhD is in? If it's in some obscure facet of Art History, for example, I'd not expect up to the minute knowledge of how to cut'n'slice MP3s, WAVs, etc, and then how to upload them to a closed platform such as the iPhone. - --Chris chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) http://myspace.com/stryngs for Stryngs music & video ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:50:09 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Clapton overrated who are the true Guitarists ?????? NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" > oh my god, Mark, I can't BELIEVE you said that!!!!!!!!! > LOL!!!!!!! did you see my post?? I declared them my main men as > well! > How truly weird! Hi Em. Synchronicity strikes again. I had not seen your post before I wrote mine. It seems we somehow had the same thougth at about the same time. > I do adore them and love them both. They're great, aren't they? Jorm has his own unique style on electric and can really pick some pretty stuff on acoustic as well. And Jack provides foundations that can be funky or full of mind-bending thunder. I'm not overly familiar with their post-Airplane stuff (Hot Tuna, etc.) but I've always thought they were a big part of the Airplane's unique sound. > I posted what I did before I read yours..that's great that you feel > that way too. I got to see them last year like 12 feet in front of > my > face. It was so good to reconnect. I've never seen them play live. That must have been awesome. > People bitch because Jorma's stuff has too much "god" content, but I > say keep it up man; I love his expressions of whatever faith keeps > him > rooted as a natural man. > I'm gonna go listen to "Good Shepherd" right now in his and your > honor, > yes I am. > one for Paul and for 4 Silas, indeed.... And one for Em and one for to make my heart rejoice! Love that song! Thanks, Em! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:33:08 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: A few more bassists, njc I'd add McCartney (especially for his parts on "Abbey Road"). Chris Squire of Yes. Plus, I like the bass lines in these 2 songs: Anthony Jackson's bass line in "For the Love Of Money" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_Love_of_Money Pete Farndon (who played bass on "Mystery Achievement"). Jim L'Hommedieu P.S. If anyone thinks I'm wrong, you'se must bea stoopid heds or sompin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:03:33 +0000 From: Michael Subject: Dave Blackburn's Down To You I finally got a chance this morning to hear Dave Blackburn's transcription for piano of the instrumental passage from Down to You. It sounds great Dave, congratulations ! This was a treat for me, as it is one of my all times faves. Brings back lots of memories - being single, questioning my place in the world, getting stoned, looking for love in the wrong places. I think a lot of us have been there. Anyway, A young fellow from the music conservatory in town answered my call, and performed the piece for me and my partner in his funky living room. A nice moment. He hadn't really heard of Joni Mitchell, so I left him a cd I compiled of some of her piano works. And speaking of piano, after several spins, my favourite tune on Shine is Bad Dreams. I like the others too, but Bad Dreams goes a little deeper, for my taste. Michael (skiing today) in (sunny) Quebec PS You can find Dave's piano transcription of DTY in the Guitar Tabs section of JMDL _________________________________________________________________ Discover new ways to stay in touch with Windows Live! Visit the City @ Live today! http://getyourliveid.ca/?icid=LIVEIDENCA006 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:15:25 -0500 From: "Phyliss Ward" Subject: RE: Joni Ringtones? Hi Chris, The PhD thing is a joke from a post. I said I thought I had one in Joni Mitchell but had to downgrade to a Masters after these quizes! I looked again and didn't see any way to take MP3's to ringtones right on the iphone. I have a Sony VAIO desktop. I guess I could buy software to download? I saw some online. It would help to know if there is a good one I could trust. Thanks, Phyliss It's not quite that simple to roll your own for the iPhone, since you currently need the help of third party software to get the ringtones recognised by the phone. Phyliss, Tell us a little about what computer you have, and in particular whether it's a Mac or a PC. If you're using a Mac, I can recommend a couple of bits of software that should set you in the right direction. > Come on Phylis, > That's pretty easy! > For God's sake, you're a PhD! But do you know what her PhD is in? If it's in some obscure facet of Art History, for example, I'd not expect up to the minute knowledge of how to cut'n'slice MP3s, WAVs, etc, and then how to upload them to a closed platform such as the iPhone. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:13:45 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: David Crosby - njc And great legs too. I missed the interview as we were coming back home from Athens, GA. Did she mention me at all? Bob, leg man NP: Aerosmith, "Dream On" - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:24:30 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Joni Covers in the New Rolling Stone NJC < How do you keep up with all the Joni covers out there? > There are many many sources...most websites that deal in music (allmusic, amazon, cduniverse, itunes) allow a search by song title so that's one method. I've googled song titles but you can't do that with some of them (River & Blue are two of the more challenging ones). Ebay is of course a good resource for discovering (and getting) some of the more obscure ones from the past. Doing a search on "Joni Mitchell" on blogtracker and news websites turns up most of the new and upcoming ones. And of course many of them I only know about thanks to my JMDL pals who help me out, particularly internationally. Thanks most of all to Les who provides me with an outstanding website that allows me to store and sort the data with ease. It's a lot of work but it's a fun hobby for me and one I always enjoy spending time with. Bob NP: Lisa Bassenge Trio, "Blue" - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:18:36 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Dave Blackburn's Down To You Thanks Michael. Glad to be of service. And I do like the subject heading.... You'll also find a note for note Blue transcription in the same area of jmdl. One month I'll sit down with 3 cases of wine and do Paprika Plains, that no one will ever play... On the "who's the greatest guitar/bass/keyboardist" thread: I think the question itself is pretty inane. For one thing only "big" name players are being considered here and there are hundreds if not thousands of brilliant players of all instruments working in every city who have not had the big breaks. I have my favorites among the "name" players of course but that's all they are: favorites. And then It is always more appropriate to discuss who plays the perfect thing for the music at hand: Joni is the perfect guitarist for her own music but I'd wager she's never played a lead solo in her life. Jimi Hendrix re-invented the Strat for us all but I doubt he could do much on a nylon string etc etc. There are players who stand out as innovators, others who stand out as technicians, some who's playing is notable for its grace and others for its energy. On Jan 13, 2008, at 11:03 AM, Michael wrote: > I finally got a chance this morning to hear Dave Blackburn's > transcription for piano of the instrumental passage from Down to > You. It sounds great Dave, congratulations ! This was a treat for > me, as it is one of my all times faves. Brings back lots of > memories - being single, questioning my place in the world, getting > stoned, looking for love in the wrong places. I think a lot of us > have been there. > > Anyway, A young fellow from the music conservatory in town answered > my call, and performed the piece for me and my partner in his funky > living room. A nice moment. He hadn't really heard of Joni > Mitchell, so I left him a cd I compiled of some of her piano works. > > And speaking of piano, after several spins, my favourite tune on > Shine is Bad Dreams. I like the others too, but Bad Dreams goes a > little deeper, for my taste. > > Michael (skiing today) in (sunny) Quebec > > PS You can find Dave's piano transcription of DTY in the Guitar > Tabs section of JMDL > > > Books, DVD's, gadgets, music and more. Shop online with Sympatico / > MSN Shopping today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:01:41 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Joni Ringtones? On 13 Jan 2008, at 19:15, Phyliss Ward wrote: > The PhD thing is a joke from a post. I said I thought I had one in > Joni > Mitchell but had to downgrade to a Masters after these quizes! Ack, bitten by lack of context. I take it back... > I looked again and didn't see any way to take MP3's to ringtones > right on > the iphone. There isn't. > I have a Sony VAIO desktop. OK, let me go check whether the software I used has a Windows version as well as a Mac version. If so, I'll be able to recommend you a route. Cheers, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:34:17 +0000 From: "joe farrell" Subject: re: sally barker Just listened to Sally Barker's version of "Blue", thanks to Paul Castle, her voice is remakably similar to Joni's in that period. Hope to get to see her Joni Mitchell Project in Poynton on the current tour. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:19:57 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: re: sally barker I hope you do too, Joe - and please report back in and let us know how it was. She certainly is a student of Joni's phrasing - her vocal nuances match Joni's beat for beat. Bob NP: Smashing Pumpkins, "1979" - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:04:21 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Ladies Man/WTRF faves What do you all think of the song "Ladies Man" from WTRF? I have to say I quite enjoy it. I had recently asked you to tell me your favorite songs from WTRF. I'll tell you now that my favorites are Chinese Cafe, Ladies Man, and You Dream Flat Tires. Ladies Man is very different from Joni's other songs until this point. I'll say it's even a soul song or has soul in it (not "soul" as in emotion and leaving you "warm" as opposed to "cold" like in the Clapton discussion...though it's got that kind of soul too...). I don't think we'd ever heard anything like it before. I'd argue that Man To Man is along the same lines. The whole album is really a rock/pop/jazz/soul album I'd say....with I suppose some folkiness in it. Anyhow, I really like the vocal on Ladies Man, the overall melody, and the concept of the song...not to mention the first line is genius....telling the ladies man he could charm the diamonds off a rattlesnake...how clever! -Monika JF: (just finished!) The Bell Jar- Sylvia Plath - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Contacting Ashara... Hey there JMDL people! I was wondering if the email address listed as Ashara's on the JMDL site is still indeed valid? I ask because I emailed that over a week ago as I am trying to contact Ashara and have still received no answer. I emailed her asking if she had received my Jonifest deposit as I'd like to send more of my payment in but before I do I just want to make sure the first of it got there alright. So is that the best way to contact her? Is that still valid? I realize she may just be busy.....but I just want to make sure. I'm cautious that way. -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:59:41 -0800 From: Subject: who are the true Guitarists ?????? (njc) Jorma K. and Jack C.. There: I said it. And thank you, Em. I was just going to say it myself! What is wrong with that guitar poll, anyway? Leaving off Jack and Jorma. What is this world coming to?? Bah!! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:44:21 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: On disagreeing, njc On Anthology II, John Lennon said something like... >I think I know what I mean. Yes, but it's all wrong. That is, I think I disagree.> Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:58:01 -0700 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: Clapton overated who are the true Guitarists ?????? NJC I just can't let this one go without comment, I mean Bob's original post about Clapton being over-rated. I have followed Clapton's career almost since day one, at least from his days with the Yardbirds. Those days he was certainly amongst the best in the pop/rock world. This is a fact long substantiated by those who were there and the fact that his work has continued to be highly regarded by fans and many in the business who are fans. If you want examples, I'd be glad to dig up quotes from Jimi Hendrix, B.B. King, George Harrison, Duane Allman and others who shared his music with him, that portray Eric Clapton as fine and innovative player. I don't think he is or was god, but he has contributed a great deal to music throughout his entire career, like it or not. Yes, he is over-rated, and so are the Beatles, and Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell, but that goes with the territory, and it is none of their doing. It is what we do as fans and what the press/media does to us to sell their wares. I have heard none of those artists claim any kind of rating for themselves, except in jest, or to squelch such ratings. And yes, I do respect the opinion of others, and have no issue with the affinities we find with various arts and artists. This is like falling in love, there is no accounting for it, and one can never judge what another might feel for art and music, it just is. But, I do believe that there are ways to evaluate talent and art and skills that are somewhat less subjective when we separate these creations and craft from our own attraction to them. One does not have to enjoy Beethoven's Fifth Symphony to appreciate the creativity and skill behind its composition. By any measure B's 5th is one of humankind's greatest moments, like it or not. I believe this to be a fact, like H2O is the chemical name for water. Yes, there may be better symphonies and musical creations, but this does not in any way detract from the greatness of the 5th. In the same way, Eric Clapton's musical creations have lasting merit, both intrinsically as musical moments that move and inspire, and as milestones of culture, as they are widely appreciated and patronized. I believe this is a fact as well, and it can be measured in the comments and actions of his peers in the musical world and in the fact that many people like them enough to purchase his creations. I also believe that Mr. Clapton has made many excellent contributions to music from about 1967 to today. Is Eric Clapton one of the world's greatest guitarists? I feel that he was for a while in the late Sixties. His work was innovative, driven, concise and soulful. It has achieved these qualities with some part of every album he has done, some more, some less. I don't think anyone in the rock and pop fields have even been considered the greatest technicians, as long as uber-players like Jim Hall, John McLaughlin, Joe Pass and Pat Metheny are still creating. Classical players like Christopher Parkening can blow away all the above in less time than it takes them to get their guitars out of their cases, for heaven sakes. But as another post mentioned on this subject, Eric's performance with Ravi Shankar's orchestra on the "Tribute for George" was an amazing display of musicianship, one which would have been difficult for any of the players mentioned in this thread. He always seems capable of pulling one out of the hat when it is his turn to step up. This is why guys like Andy Fairwether-Lowe, Derek Trucks and Doyle Bramhall III and others who have worked in Slowhand's bands turn out. He doesn't pay them to slack off, he wants their best game, and they're gonna have to sweat to run him down. He can still stand with these guys and give as good as he gets, and this can not be faked. So, he must have something going for him, even today. I've had the pleasure of seeing Clapton with Derek and the Dominos (including a stunning encore with George Harrison on "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"), Blind Faith, Delany and Bonnie and Friends, and solo several times. Each time I have seen him play live, his playing has been superb and very inspirational. The last time was in 2001 at the Idaho Center in Nampa, and his playing, on both acoustic and electric was astoundingly good. He may not be the best, but he always plays with the big dogs and he's an alpha male of any pack of which he finds himself a part. Mr. Clapton is important to music in the degree to which he has influenced his musical peers, and he has been a big influence for decades. I feel that his greatest contribution has been as a conduit and link from the old blues to today's blues. He has never forgot those who brung him along, and he has showcased their music with a life-long passion. He, along with Jimi Hendrix, John Mayall, Peter Green, Carlos Santana, Rory Gahallgher, Bonnie Riatt, Rory Block and Taj Mahal, have all kept the tradition alive and given it plenty of lifeblood to carry on. (Of course there are many others, but I do have to go to bed sometime tonight.) It is also easy to forget that Eric's influence has been so all-pervasive, that there are a couple of generations raised on this body of work, and have assimilated it like the air we breath. Same with Jimi and Stevie Ray. Everybody cops their licks and it is a natural thing, like they copped licks from the blues masters. So these young guns today have the benefit of all this history, and they get to stand on the shoulders of giants. One does not have to enjoy Mr. Clapton's playing, compositions and singing, but it defies the facts of 40 years of steady contributions to the art of music to consider him to be one of the few blessed with Bluespower and the will and ability to roll with it. He's always been and still remains one of the big dogs in the world of guitar players. Just a few thoughts on the "music and the Mothers in Nashville" ("Everyone who unpacks his guitar can play twice as better than I will." John Sebastian) Bonneville Bruce > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:47:29 -0800 (PST) > From: Michael Flaherty > Subject: Re: Clapton overated who are the true Guitarists ?????? > > Sticking to non-classical players in the "Joni" era (late 60s on): > > For guitar, for me John McLaughlin, Allan Holdsworth, and Robert > Fripp are particularly good. I also love Pat Metheny, btw. If you > think Clapton is better than these guys (or even as good) that's > fine, I won't argue, but I can't agree. > > For bass, Jaco is my man. > > A lot of my favorites have passed through Miles' bands, with a > number landing with Joni (Wayne, Don, Herbie ....) > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #533 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------