From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #531 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, January 12 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 531 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Clapton overated njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Clapton overated NJC ["Russell Laird" ] Re: Clapton overated njc [Victor Johnson ] bo on bob, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Joni and Maureen and Judy [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Clapton overated NJC [Michael Flaherty ] Sentence of solitude [Michel BYRNE ] Re : Eric Clapton (NJC) [Rian Afriadi ] JoniQuiz Pt. 9 (or 10, i forgot) : WTRF [Rian Afriadi ] onward, YES njc [Marianne Rizzo ] small world dep't njc? [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: small world dep't njc? [Jerry Notaro ] NJC Re: Clapton overated AGAIN njc ["andrew neave" ] Re: Clapton overrated NJC ["Randy Remote" ] Re: NJC Re: Clapton overated AGAIN njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Michael Moore's Sicko, NJC + Health Care System + Monikas Quiz ["Jer] Joni (in the portable toilet line) in Fiction [Patti Parlette ] Subject: Recording and overdubbing - trivia- NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Guitar god or wanker? njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: "shuck & jive" -- tangental Joni content [Victor Johnson ] Re: Guitar god or wanker? njc [Monika Bogdanowicz ] You Dream Flat Tires? [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Chuck Mitchell [JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com] Great Joni Photos on Ebay [Merk54@aol.com] NJC Who is Bill Richardson?! LOLLLL ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Album and Song polls [Eric Taylor ] Re: Clapton overated who are the true Guitarists ?????? ["andrew neave" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:58:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Clapton overated njc - --- andrew neave wrote: > You must be joking,, I suppose that Hendrix was > stupid like you !! ... > > If your only joking !!!!!!!! how stupid again Agree or disagree with what another person posts, as is your right, but please, no personal attacks. Also, remember to put njc in the subject header. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:40:24 -0600 From: "Russell Laird" Subject: Re: Clapton overated NJC On Jan 10, 2008 11:40 PM, andrew neave wrote: > Muller said :- > > > > > > > > Darice, thanks for this - I feel the same way. Clapton has to be one of > > the most over-rated musicians of all time. He had the wisdom or good > luck > > to surround himself with some of the finest guitar players ever and > basked > > in their glow. > it's a bigger mistake still as his vocals are also > tepid > and complacent. > > > You must be joking,, I suppose that Hendrix was stupid like you !! > Hendrix > only had a few peers and Clapton was one of them > ... Everybody's right ... everybody's wrong. It's all subjective. I disagree with Bob's opinion about Clapton. But Bob most definitely is not a stupid person. (Bob - Agreed: Duane Allman was far and away the better player on the Layla album.) Russell n.p. - "Texas Trilogy" - Steven Fromholz n.r. - _The Land Where The Blues Began_ - Alan Lomax next in the reading queue - Clapton's autobiography. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:57:44 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Clapton overated njc Clapton has never done much for me either. I really like his work with Cream though. While I can appreciate the blues for what it is, I've always been more drawn to guitarists with more unusual styles like Alex Lifeson, Robert Fripp, Jerry Garcia, Neil Young, etc... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:03:18 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: bo on bob, njc Bo wrote: >Bob, that gorgeous sentence...and, by the way, I love your style of writing; confirms >what I've known about you from the jump...you're a humble man with an>ability to access your emotions and SHARE them seemingly without (too much) >censure. That makes you so rare! Love yourself!!! I love you!...and you're what we >used to call "a looker"....HANDSOME!!!! wait a minute, He's MY boyfriend _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:17:33 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni and Maureen and Judy I9ve always thought Maureen McGovern to be the great singer of her generation. I9ve seen her in concert many times, and in most of her Broadway shows. She is doing a new show at the Metropolitan Room. I appreciate her mentioning Judy Collins as a songwriter: I focused on the iconoclastic singer-songwriters from that time: the Joni Mitchells, the James Taylors, Dylan I started out as a folk singer in the late '60s playing guitar with the long blonde hair. So it was really very nostalgic for me to go back before "The Morning After" [and see] what influenced me then. Again, Joni Mitchell, James Taylor, Laura Nyro, I love. Jimmy Webb his song "The Moon's a Harsh Mistress," to me, is one of the greatest songs ever written. It's just an extraordinary art song, basically. And, Carole King and Paul Simon and, of course, Lennon and McCartney are honorary members of the second half of the Great American Songbook. They're just songs that resonated with me. Judy Collins, I'm a huge fan of hers. I was going to do "My Father" because she is a wonderful songwriter as well. I lost my dad a few years back, and it was just a little bit too hard to do right now, but eventually we will include that along the way. I do two songs that I remember very vividly loving hearing [Judy Collins] sing as a kid, "Carry It On" and "The Coming of the Roads" by Billy Edd Wheeler. Gorgeous, gorgeous piece. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Clapton overated NJC andrew neave wrote:>>The wheels of fire live CD bearing in mind when they played these Concerts late 60s was it, you can not help but appreciate and be amazed at the three of them playing/ let alone Claptons solo on Crossroads Now not many people were Jamming like Cream were in those days (15min Spoonfull), [...] Everybody accepts that Layla is a masterpiece .... Being a "Joni Only" person, this is the only post I got, so forgive me if I'm repeating, but first I have to say that there's no reason to call anyone stupid, particularly not our cover-guy Bob. That said, I agree with what I quoted from Andrew above. However, Layla was what, 1972? While I love his work with Mayall, Cream, and Layla, for me, it's been over 35 years since I've heard any Clapton I could get engrossed in, and yes, I think he's over-rated. Part of the problem, I think, is that reputation. People assume everything he does is brilliant, so every time he hits a single note they applaud wildly. Not exactly a way to be pushed to your limits. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:23:29 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Sentence of solitude Thanks for some very thoughtful responses to Joni's sweeping generalisation - she does seem to trade in these, unfortunately - they're maybe good at sparking debate but in my opinion shed very little light. I only wish all these recent interviews with her had concentrated on the music. The most interesting to me were the conversation with Herbie Hancock, in the jazz magazine, and her comments on Shine's individual tracks. I'll happily ignore all her other pronouncements! She's a great musician/artist, NOT a seer. Question for all you impressively thoughtful intelligent Joniphiles: how do you interpret: 'the sentence of this solitude, 200 years on hold' in 'Come in from the Cold' (NRH)? Is it meant to indicate the beginnings of modern, scientific, non-religious society? the price of women's liberation (seen as starting c. 1800)? or what ?... Suggestions very gratefully received. All the best in 2008. Michel _________________________________________________________________ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:27:27 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re : Eric Clapton (NJC) I am with Bob. Eric Clapton is a little bit too over-rated. But yes, i have to admit he is genius and he is one of the best guitarists. Anyway, my favorite Clapton song is Motherless Children from 461 Ocean Boulevard. Rian NP. Joni  Free Man In Paris - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:30:14 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: JoniQuiz Pt. 9 (or 10, i forgot) : WTRF Yes! Wild Quizzes Run Fast! Monika made me listen to the album again and again, and then suddenly... another quiz was created. 1. Which WTRF song is the most perfect song to cheer someone who has just became a victim of a theft? a. Moon At The Window b. You Dream Flat Tires c. Man To Man d. Underneath The Streetlight e. Wild Things Run Fast (Thanks 2 Joni for writing the song, and thanks 2 Marian for pointing the song weeks ago) 2. What is the name of post-Mingus-Tour tour? a. You Dream Flat Tires Tour b. Underneath The Streetlight Tour c. Love Tour d. Wild Things Run Fast Tour e. Refugee of The Roads Tour 3. Which verse is not on Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody? a. Christmas is sparkling Out on Carol's lawn This girl of my childhood games With kids nearly grown and gone Grown too fast Like the turn of a page We look like our mothers did now When we were those kids' age b. Uranium money Is booming in the old home town now It's putting up sleek concrete Tearing the old landmarks down now Paving over brave little parks Ripping off Indian land again How long how long Short sighted business men c. Caught in the middle Carol we're middle class We're middle aged We were wild in the old days Birth of rock 'n' roll days Now your kids are coming up straight And my child's a stranger I bore her But I could not raise her d. Time goes - where does the time go I wonder where the time goes 4. True or False : WTRF is Joni's album that contains the word "love" the most. 5. Which song is the album's first single? a. Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody b. Underneath The Streetlight c. Wild Things Run Fast d. You're So Square Baby I Dont Care e. Man To Man 6. Where can you find this : "Hot dog darlin'"? a. You Dream Flat Tires b. Solid Love c. Underneath The Streetlight d. Dog Eat Dog e. Wild Things Run Fast f. Rian Afriadi's disgusting "Eat Dog NJC" post. 7. Yes I do I love you! I swear on the disco sparkle dark I do I swear on the be-bop boys Chasing the black bird .......... a. All night the trucks roll b. Rock 'n roll broadcast c. Gay boys with their pants so tight d. Underneath the streetlight e. One shadow cursing 8. Track order. Arrange these: (1) Moon At The Window (2) You Dream Flat Tires (3) Solid Love (4) Be Cool (5) (Youre So Square) Baby I Dont Care (6) Man To Man (7) Ladies Man 9. True or False : Wild Things Run Fast (the song) (02:16) is Joni's shortest song. (Suppose all raps on Mingus are not songs) 10. True or False : Joni's then husband played bass on the album. 11. I don't like to lie / But I sure can be ..... when I get scared (from Man To Man) 12. What is the name of narcotic mentioned on Ladies' Man? a. LED b. Nicotine c. Heroine d. Ecstasy e. Pot 13. It takes cheerful resignation / ....... (from Moon At The Window) a. Heart and humility b. Heart and humor and humility c. That's all it takes d. How could they be e. And moon at the window 14. 'Cause love is precious love Everybody knows it's precious When first they feel that fire Before they dream flat tires They dream flat tires .......... a. They dream flat tires b. You dream flat tires c. Love is precious d. When you dream flat tires e. Flat tires 15. True or False : WTRF is Joni's last pre-BSN studio album that contains more than 10 tracks. Rian NP. Feist  My Moon My Man NR. Jeffrey Sach  The End of Poverty (this Economics book is informative, not boring, and so easy to digest even for non-economists) - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:26:26 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Michael Moore's Sicko, NJC + Health Care System + Monikas Quiz I have just watched the movie. This movie must be a huge slap to American Health Care System. One bitter fact: One medicine (i forgot the name) is priced at $120 in USA, while in Cuba, the price is just 5 US cent. The movie also shows other countries' health care system. I really have to salute the government of UK, France, Canada, and Cuba for such great health care system. (But i still believe Nordic countries offer the best health care system) (Marion, am I right?) How about in INA? Well, Indonesia is only a third world country. Free health care is something new to us (implemented 5 or 6 years ago). Poor people get free health care (to some extent) or get a special price (i mean, special discount). But, the system is still immature that poor people really should never get sick. Poor people dont have the right to be sick because they dont have the right to get good health care. Rian NP. Joni  Carey PS. Hillary Clinton appeared on the movie. Though I am not an American, I took the quiz mentioned by Monika, and the result is : Hillary (Obama is the 2nd, pretty close) - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Clapton overrated NJC Well I've stated my thoughts on Clapton and won't again but you say something that reminds of something I read once. In some music book I read (perhaps a CSN bio?), the author said that we as an audience ran into a major problem starting back in the 70's. He said once upon a time people used to applaud the performances one gave when now (and starting in the 70's he said) we simply applaud the performers no matter the quality. Now that I think about it, it was indeed a CSN book. The author commented how as soon as they stepped out on the stage in the mid 70's everyone went beserk and after every song, even though the concert he saw was not good (you can see some footage from CSNY's '74 tour in which...yes...there are performances that simply stink and some that are good...not their best tour...drugs played a factor as you can visibly see in the performances), the same reaction. Now I don't know if it all started out in the 70's and I have to say when I've gone to concerts the artists have always given me quality performances but I do understand what he is saying. Reputation can outweigh the actual performance. -Monika Michael Flaherty wrote: Part of the problem, I think, is that reputation. People assume everything he does is brilliant, so every time he hits a single note they applaud wildly. Not exactly a way to be pushed to your limits. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:07:09 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: onward, YES njc Here's a gift for you for your friday. lOve to all. ps. Yes is a spiritual experience http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-PP5j0gXBI _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:20:53 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: small world dep't njc? re T's recent post "Don Juan's Reckless Quetzalcoatl," it's just an amusing circumstance that Michael Moriarty "starred" in a film called "Q: The Winged Serpent" back in the 70's. Amazon claims to have it. DAVID LAHM **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:43:20 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: small world dep't njc? I have it on Super VHS. Not a bad film at all. Jerry > re T's recent post "Don Juan's Reckless Quetzalcoatl," it's just an amusing > circumstance that Michael Moriarty "starred" in a film called "Q: The Winged > Serpent" back in the 70's. > > Amazon claims to have it. DAVID LAHM > > > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 10:52:52 -0800 From: "andrew neave" Subject: NJC Re: Clapton overated AGAIN njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" > Clapton has never done much for me either. I really like his work > with Cream though. While I can appreciate the blues for what it is, > I've always been more drawn to guitarists with more unusual styles > like Alex Lifeson, Robert Fripp, Jerry Garcia, Neil Young, etc... - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------- I agree with this statement above, this the educated way of putting your veiwpoint forward , to say that Clapton off all people , his whole carrear to be Overated , is foolish, A hell of a lot of artists copied Clapton through the Seventies , he was one of the Original Guitar hero's before all of the above. Its like saying Bob Marley was overated as a Regge artist if you catch my Drift I accept personal Prefrences of any Artist, "He gatherd great Guitarists around him" This is a positive IE he has done an album with BB King JJ Cale, Duane Allman and many more. Also it is to his credit that he has Bridged the 70.s 80.s 90.s and into the Century 2000 Musically, adapting his style continually, how many Guitar hero,s from the 60s, have done this ?????? you dont have to say Clapton is overated, surely its easier to say My Favorite Guitarists is ====== Latest news :- Clapton and Steve Winwood are going to do a three show run together at New York's Madison Square Garden, in February of 2008. I didnt wish to insult anyone my apologies to anyone that thinks i insulted them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:04:07 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Clapton bio (njc) From: "Mark Scott" > Is the bio everyone is talking about his autobiography? If so, I read > an excerpt from it in Vanity Fair. They were not, in fact you are the first to mention it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:21:32 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Clapton overrated NJC From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" > The author commented how as soon as they stepped out on the stage in the > mid 70's everyone went beserk and after every song, even though the > concert he saw was not good Now I don't know if it all started out in the > 70's The hysteria at Beatles concerts '64-'66 was even worse. No one knew if the music was good or not-they couldn't hear it. Going back to the forties, Sinatra had screaming bobby soxers wetting their pants and such...so hero worship was already there. I would say it's more of an American thing. If you listen to the live concerts of the same bands in Europe, people listened, and clapped at the end, although I think maybe that has changed, too. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:15:17 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: NJC Re: Clapton overated AGAIN njc this person wrote: > > I agree with this statement above, this the educated way of putting your > veiwpoint forward , to say that Clapton off all people , his whole carrear > to > be Overated , is foolish, Don't care much for Eric Clapton. Wouldn't take an album of his if you bought it. Bob Marley and reggae suck!!!!!!!.. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 11:09:46 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Michael Moore's Sicko, NJC + Health Care System + Monikas Quiz From: "Rian Afriadi" > One medicine (i forgot the name) is priced at $120 in USA, while in Cuba, > the price is just 5 US cent. Everyone should see this flick-especially all members of the gov't. The medicine was an inhaler. It was needed by one of the 9-11 cleanup workers who was being denied health care by the gov't after ruining her health in the ground zero cleanup (which the feds and Guliani lied about and said was safe-it wasn't, it was full of asbestos and other nasty toxins, and they knew it). When the Cuban pharmacist told her it cost 5 cents in Cuba, she cried. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:39:59 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: "shuck & jive" -- tangental Joni content Cuomo's 'shuck and jive' comment spurs controversy BY ERIK GERMAN | erik.german@newsday.com; Staff writer Meli January 11, 2008 ALBANY - If you asked the bloggers yesterday, State Attorney General Andrew Cuomo stepped on a rhetorical land mine when he used the racially charged phrase "shuck and jive" while discussing the Democratic presidential primary in a recent radio interview. Speaking Tuesday to the New York Post's Fred Dicker, whose show airs on Albany's Talk 1300 radio station, Cuomo said of the early primaries: "It's not a TV-crazed race. Frankly, you can't buy your way through." He added later, "You have to sit down with 10 people in a living room. You can't shuck and jive at a news conference; you can't just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you, saying 'answer the question.'" The 1994 book "Juba to Jive, a Dictionary of African-American Slang," says "shuck and jive" dates back to the 1870s and was an "originally southern 'Negro' expression for clowning, lying, pretense." A truncated version of Cuomo's quote appeared first on the Albany Times Union's Capital Confidential blog Wednesday with the claim - later clarified - that he was talking about "Hillary's win in New Hampshire." Like a virus, the notion that Cuomo had made a racially insensitive remark about Barack Obama's loss leapt from Web site to Web site yesterday. Politico.com entered the quote into its so-called "department of word choice." Wonkette.com. called the term "racist." But several sites, including Newsday's SpinCycle blog, posted updates after hearing from Cuomo. "The attorney general was clearly saying that Iowa and New Hampshire were important primaries because the candidates could not duck the tough questions," said Cuomo spokesman Jeffrey Lerner. "He clearly meant no offense to either candidate because he was praising both in the interview. 'Bob and weave' would have been a better phrase; that's certainly all the attorney general meant." Joseph Mercurio, a New York City-based Democratic media consultant, said he doesn't think Cuomo hurt himself seriously. "Everybody's being a little politically correct," Mercurio said. "I think he had enough support from black voters in his campaign that this isn't going to be a big issue." Perhaps Mercurio knows. He currently works for Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.), whose January 2007 remark that Obama was the first black presidential candidate "who is articulate and bright and clean," drew wide criticism but didn't end his Senate career. But Temple University's Nathaniel Norment Jr., a professor of African-American studies, said the history of the Cuomo's phrase made it inappropriate because it springs from an ugly period of our past. It refers to "how black people had to behave in the presence of white people to survive. You have to shuck and jive or buck dance; you're putting on an act," Norment said. "In the context of a presidential election, I think it's very derogatory to say." Staff writer Melissa Mansfield contributed to this story In his words Cuomo's comments on the early contests, from a transcript supplied by his office: "It's not a TV-crazed race, you know, you can't just buy your way through that race ... It doesn't work that way, it's frankly a more demanding process. You have to get on a bus, you have to go into a diner, you have to shake hands, you have to sit down with 10 people in a living room. "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference, you can't just put off reporters, because you have real people looking at you saying answer the question, you know, and all those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room. "And I think it's good for the candidates. I think it makes the candidates communicate in a way that works with real people because you know in a living room right away whether or not you're communicating. And I think the questions are good and I think the scrutiny is good ..." - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 15:40:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Michael Moore's Sicko, NJC + Health Care System + Monikas Quiz I couldn't agree more, Randy. I saw it with a packed, mostly older audience, some in wheelchairs, and they all cheered the movie. Too bad young people aren't interested enough yet about what lies ahead for them. Their turn will come and who know what disaster awaits them? Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > From: "Rian Afriadi" >> One medicine (i forgot the name) is priced at $120 in USA, while in >> Cuba, >> the price is just 5 US cent. > > Everyone should see this flick-especially all members > of the gov't. The medicine was an inhaler. It was needed > by one of the 9-11 cleanup workers who was being denied > health care by the gov't after ruining her health in the ground > zero cleanup (which the feds and Guliani lied about and said > was safe-it wasn't, it was full of asbestos and other nasty > toxins, and they knew it). When the Cuban pharmacist told > her it cost 5 cents in Cuba, she cried. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:12:12 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni (in the portable toilet line) in Fiction Bon weekend, tout le Jonimonde! All of this talk about Woodstock and port-a-potties reminded me of this, from our Joni in Fiction section maintained by M. le SoB: She's Come Undone by Wally Lamb 1998 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Naomi laughed. "That was the thing about Woodstock. You didn't think of people as individuals. We were all this . . . mass entity." "Oh," I said. "Right." She must have seen my disappointment. "I was two people back from Joni Mitchell in the portable toilet line, though," she said. "Joni Mitchell used the public toilets?" "Well, yeah. See, the whole point was that we're all one, you know? You and me and Joni and your tall, skinny friend: a bunch of equals sharing the same small planet. It was a rush - very political!" "Yeah," I said. "You bet your bippy." From Page 213: Pocket Books Paperback Edition Contributed by Kerry Nikutta 11/30/2004 **** I went to Wally's publication party/book-signing for "I'll Fly Away" last September and was prepared to ask him if he knew that Joni did not attend Woodstock, but the line was really really long (good for Wally!) and I had somewhere else to be and had to fly away myself. But for sure, next time I run into him (he lives in my town) I will chat him up about Joni. He talked about his next novel. He's been working on it a long time (in between helping women at York Correctional Institution learn to write and set their souls free) and he hopes to finish it soon. He said it's about a man with a drug-addicted spouse who is a nurse. At another community event (Walk For Warmth) in December, he said it's about being the spouse of a Columbine survivor. So there's a little scoop for all you Wally fans eagerly awaiting his next novel. The world needs more Wally Lambs, if you ask me. He is a man of heart and mind. Love and peace (still holding that baton after all these years!), Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista. + Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:31:43 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Shine on Wally Lamb Here's a little gift for anyone who has a mighty mighty thirst for more Wally. In my alumni magazine recently, he wrote about student protests in 1970 while he was at UConn, and how "From those days to these, I have held fast to my convictions that the socioeconomic status quo is unacceptable, that war solves nothing and that the world is in dire need of fixing. I remain an unswerving, unapologetic liberal." Another baton carrier! Here's the whole article: An enduring memorable moment On Dec. 1, 1969, my fate and the fate of all American males who had reached the age of majority, had been drawn from a glass canister filled with 366 blue capsules at Selective Service headquarters in Washington, D.C. Based on my birthday, my lottery number was 288, which meant my being drafted and going to Vietnam was unlikely. My roommate, born one day later, was number 5. He would be one of the first called to serve. The following spring, I attended a Black Panthers meeting at Jorgensen Auditorium and a protest rally on the quad behind the Student Union. A thousand or more of us were protesting racial and class injustice, Nixons incursion into Cambodia and the National Guards killing of four American students at Kent State University. Middle-aged men in ties and sports jackets  the FBI, everyone said  wandered through the crowd taking pictures. At rallys end, we marched from the quad to the ROTC hangar, where the most radical among us painted the walls with flowers and butterflies. Having declared the building a daycare center for children of the poor rather than a tool of the military-industrial complex, UConn students had decided to redecorate. My father answered the phone when I called home to tell my parents I was on strike. The hell you are! he yelled. Get to class! But Nixon and Dad were interchangeable that season. I boycotted my classes and exams in favor of the administration-sanctioned pass-fail option. At 19, I was on board for the student revolution and blind to its excesses. The world was broken and I thought we could fix it. Two years later, I graduated and became a high school teacher  a member of the establishment myself, albeit one in turtlenecks, bell-bottoms and hair that touched my shoulders. I taught teenagers for 25 years, went bald, wrote a few novels, and did a stint as a UConn professor. These days, I teach writing to inmates at Connecticuts maximum-security prison for women. My students teach me, too, about the uses and abuses of power and the reasons why the justice system needs fixing. In the spring of 1970, a sociopolitical earthquake rocked the country. Its epicenter was Washington D.C., but the shock waves were felt in Storrs. While I was a UConn student, the political became personal. From those days to these, I have held fast to my convictions that the socioeconomic status quo is unacceptable, that war solves nothing and that the world is in dire need of fixing. I remain an unswerving, unapologetic liberal.  Wally Lamb 72 (CLAS), 77 M.A. http://www.alumnimagazine.uconn.edu/fwin2006/fwin06hm.html (if it doesn't work directly, go to "DEPARTMENTS" on the left and click on "The Last Word.") His father's reaction cracked me up. I can hear my Dad being like that, or the Dad on Wonder Years. There's a cool picture of our ROTC building decorated w/ peace symbols and the "flowers and butterflies" he mentioned. Ha! Butterflies. Think those came from Woodstock? LOTC had just been released that spring semester. L & P, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:54:34 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Recording and overdubbing - trivia- NJC I think the first SINGER was Mary Ford while her guitarist/engineer/inventor/producer/husband/instigator was Les Paul. Jim L. From: "Jerry Notaro" >Who was the first singer to overdubbibg in a recording?> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:02:31 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Recording and overdubbing - trivia- NJC RR said, in part, >The forum discussion was Who was the very first Musician or musical group to OVERDUB!> I doubt it. Tibbet was long before the Who. We're doing Abbott & Costello, right? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:09:37 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: "shuck & jive" -- tangental Joni content Sorry, bloggers. I've been hearing and using that phrase for more than 40 years. It was and may still be common among jazz musicians of every race. To call Cuomo insensitive or racist because he used the phrase would indicate to me that someone is desperately trying to embarrass Cuomo. The context makes Cuomo's use of the phrase perfectly traditional and appropriate. DAVID LAHM ps what is the Joni connection here? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:35:04 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "shuck & jive" -- tangental Joni content - --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > > ps what is the Joni connection here? > > Those cannibals of shuck and jive They'll eat a working girl like her alive. Name the song. No prize because I'm cheap, just the warm glow of feeling right and righteous. ;-) Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:30:45 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Clapton overated Hey, Andrew, go easy on the name-calling, bud. Clapton is judged by many to be a super-star as well as a guitarist. I think Bob called him "a technician". (I feel that way about Pat Metheny.) Muller thinks Clapton doesn't live up to his superstar "hype" and that's a personal thing. It can't be measured or ruled "wrong". Clapton leaves him cold. I'm just a guest here but some people have been thrown off for name-calling. You would be wise to "agree to disagree". Me? I think he made lots of boring tracks but made up for them with "Motherless Children", "Badge", & the original version of "Layla" (admittedly much of the credit goes to Duane Allman and NONE of it to the recording engineers), etc. I think Clapton is like a studio player who got a good agent, who hired a really good publicist. Jim L. np in the living room: "For Once In My Life" by Stevie Wonder on an automated classic-rock station From: "andrew neave" said in part, >I suppose that Hendrix was stupid like you !!> >If your only joking !!!!!!!! how stupid again> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Guitar god or wanker? njc I'm not enough of an expert to know who is and who is not a great guitarist and apparently neither are most people. Certain guitarists, or other types of musicians for that matter, seem to evoke really negative feelings in certain people, while others feel that individual is the bees' knees. The recent Eric Clapton debate is a really good example of that. I really have no idea whether he's a great guitarist or a wanker, but a lot of people think he's a god of some kind. He really seems to polarize people more than many other musicians do. I've got some of his stuff and I enjoy most of it. I do like his unplugged CD. I particularly like the song (without words) "Signe" and if I weren't so lazy, would learn to play it. I even have the music book for it, but am too damn lazy to work it out. Some other stuff I can't stand (the most glaring example of, "Gag me!" being the soppy "Wonderful tonight." (Yuk! Barf! How bourgeois can you get?) But does he suck or is he great, or is he just so-so? I dunno. Is the ability to attract and work with a bunch of musicians that those in the know an indicator of some kind of greatness, or does it just mean he has good connections or a very clever manager? I don't care for Bryan Adams at all, and yet he has worked with a number of musicians that I think are great (most notably Bonnie Raitt.) So, does he suck? I mean really suck, not just in someone's opinion. For my part, I just don't like his stuff. I've heard comments from people, mostly guys unfortunately, that Kaki King wouldn't be noticed at all if she were a guy. Sour grapes or what? I honestly don't have a clue about who's really great and who's just... meh. How do so many of you know? Just wondering. I guess I don't have many strong feelings about that stuff. I'm either very flexible or a complete wimp. I know what I like, but so what. Maybe my taste is really horrible. And hey, Mack, you silly boy, not sure if you were joking or not, but Bob Marley and reggae don't suck. Maybe you don't like it, but a lot of people do, including me, though I'm not a fanatic about it and certainly couldn't exist on reggae alone. I'm not really fond of hip hop, in fact I don't much like most of it, but am willing to give it a chance out of curiosity if for no other reason. I'd never say it sucks (OK, maybe I would after listening to a steady diet of it, in fact, maybe after the third song or so.) So, whether it's Clapton or Marley or even, perish the thought, Bryan (not Ryan) Adams, how do you know if someone is great or the pits? Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:42:36 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: "shuck & jive" -- tangental Joni content On Jan 11, 2008, at 8:35 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > > >> >> ps what is the Joni connection here? >> >> > > Those cannibals of shuck and jive > They'll eat a working girl like her alive. > > Name the song. The Jungle Line ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 17:49:03 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Recording and overdubbing - trivia- NJC From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" > RR said, in part, >>The forum discussion was Who was the very first Musician > or musical group to OVERDUB!> > > I doubt it. Tibbet was long before the Who. > We're doing Abbott & Costello, right? Yes. Yes? I thought we were talking about the Who. The Who? Yes. That's what I said, Yes. You said Who? No, I said Yes. ....and so on....lol (based on "who's on first?" by the credibility gap, 1970's) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:40:01 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Clapton overrated now JC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: "Monika Bogdanowicz" ; "Joni people!" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: Clapton overrated NJC > From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" >> The author commented how as soon as they stepped out on the stage >> in the mid 70's everyone went beserk and after every song, even >> though the concert he saw was not good Now I don't know if it all >> started out in the 70's > > The hysteria at Beatles concerts '64-'66 was even worse. No one > knew if the music was good or not-they couldn't hear it. Going > back to the forties, Sinatra had screaming bobby soxers wetting > their pants and such...so hero worship was already there. I would > say it's more of an American thing. If you listen to the live > concerts > of the same bands in Europe, people listened, and clapped at the > end, > although I think maybe that has changed, too. > RR This is one of things that has always impressed me about Miles of Aisles. The audiences listened and held their applause until the last note faded away on almost every song. My impression has always been that Joni had them all spellbound. They wanted to drink in every word and note. And most of them probably knew exactly where the songs were supposed to end. There is much more to be said for audiences who are that respectful of an artist's work that they actually give it their full attention from beginning to end. A much more meaningful tribute than screaming all the way through, imo. My memory may be faulty because I haven't listened to it for a long time but it seems to me that the Shadows and Light audiences were quite a bit rowdier. Mark in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:48:10 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Guitar god or wanker? njc You see, that is the thing. You can say someone sucks or someone is a genius but really, truly, it is all subjective. It is pure opinion. Music, movies, books, etc etc all affect different people in different ways. There's no concensus on anything when it comes to saying something is good or bad. You'll hear one thing and I'll hear another even though we're listening to the same song. As for Clapton, I love his guitar playing and I like some of his solo work. As for Bob Marley, I'm not much of a fan but can understand his appeal. -Monika Catherine McKay wrote: So, whether it's Clapton or Marley or even, perish the thought, Bryan (not Ryan) Adams, how do you know if someone is great or the pits? Catherine - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:58:28 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: You Dream Flat Tires? I have a question concerning the song, "You Dream Flat Tires" from WTRF (an album which I have been listening to recently quite a bit). First off, I really like the song. I love the guitar part in the very beginning, which actually repeats throughout the song, the melody, and really the beat of the song. It's sort of a rocker to these ears. Anyway, back to the point....and my question. I understand that the song is talking about people in love (and the speaker in love) when in the beginning they feel the "fire"...have passion...are excited, etc etc. I also understand, or think I understand the notion of dreaming flat tires when things go astray in love. That seems to be the metaphor for when love turns bleak, yes? One starts to dream of such things... My question is this. Is "dreaming flat tires" a common saying or was it a common phrase once or was this image something Joni made up in her song (serving its purpose quite well though)? -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:04:33 EST From: JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com Subject: Chuck Mitchell My Friend and Joni's Ex _Chuck Mitchell_ (http://www.mitchellsong.com/) now Has his Own Web-Site. Do give it a Peek. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:17:54 EST From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Great Joni Photos on Ebay I just saw this auction for Joni photos and loved them so much I decided to buy them, If they look half as cool as the slide show I'll be thrilled. Check it out. _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300188398573&ssPageNa me=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=020_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300188398573&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=020) Jack **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:45:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC Who is Bill Richardson?! LOLLLL Jeff, who is much more on top of politics than me, has a lot of respect for him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:49:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Don Juan's Reckless Quetzalcoatl When's the last time you visited your secret place? I think you're hanging with the wrong people my friend. >Am i "growling"? ET< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 01:54:18 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: Album and Song polls Les Irvin (not the London dude) philed: >>A couple people have mentioned that the song and album polls on JMDL were a bit behind the times. Today I (finally) added Shine and updated the polls for the new year. Cast your vote here: http://jmdl.com/poll/albumpoll.cfm and here: http://jmdl.com/poll/songpoll.cfm << INTERESTING poll results, Les! I agree with most of these results. But i was unable to figure out how to vote for my faves in both links. Perhaps you should add a big red VOTE link & more philes would participate..... I would personally vote Borderline as her number one song but it would be impossible for me to pick Joni's best album! Again thanx for all the voodoo that you do ;~D ET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:10:44 -0800 From: "andrew neave" Subject: Re: Clapton overated who are the true Guitarists ?????? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: Clapton overated > Hey, Andrew, go easy on the name-calling, bud. Clapton is judged by > many to be a super-star as well as a guitarist. I think Bob called him > "a technician". (I feel that way about Pat Metheny.) > >One thing for shure all of the Guitarists around now 2008 are so overated that I cant even name them, every one of them accept a certain John Mayer perhaps and he loves to hang around with Eric Clapton like he did at the Crossroads concert, funny that ???? It seems to me that some of you dont like long Guitar Solo's full stop Pat Metheny on acoustic guitar has encredible feeling in his playing What is this term Technician about Mmmmm I suppose Jaco Pastorious and Chick Corea are both Technician Your problem is that your not prepared to name the Guitarist Bass Player or keyboard player that you think are supreme ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #531 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------