From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #529 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 10 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 529 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Woodstock talk, NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: new joni interview in mojo [Bruce Eggleston ] Photos/profiles of JMDL members, NJC [Rian Afriadi ] Re: From Bo, now Annette Benning, NJC [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Clapton bio (njc) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: The Woodstock talk, NJC [Jerry Notaro ] the James Taylor solo concert DVD njc, well kinda [Em ] Re: The Woodstock talk, NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Clapton bio (njc) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Photos/profiles of JMDL members, NJC [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Clapton bio (njc) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Sex Kills -->"an honest take" [Bruce Eggleston ] Paste's top 100 songwriters ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: Bo on a lovely Wed. Afternoon NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Paste's top 100 songwriters [Victor Johnson ] RE: Clapton bio (njc) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Clapton bio (njc) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] NJC NJC Warning: U.S. political content.... [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Clapton bio (njc) ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Sex Kills -->"an honest take" ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:05:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: The Woodstock talk, NJC Port a potties & long lines > My question : How did you cope with no food no bathroom thing? You did that in the bushes? Oooo!!< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:49:31 -0700 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: new joni interview in mojo First of all, I am one of those to whom the baton was passed, I'm 57 years old, and I have participated in many of the notable trends, tasks, parties, fears, grooves, failures and successes of the Sixties generation. Kate and Randy's statements below are right on, I wished I had written them. I could, and should, write a book about this subject. I shall restrain myself here, and just address the tasks and successes upon which my (our) generation might lay claim. I did not read the Mojo interview with Ms. Mitchell, so I can't comment, but the statement quoted below is so broad a generalization as to be meaningless, except as a very personal view from a very famously sequestered individual. My (our) generation is still very actively changing the world in thousands of subtle ways. I am a city planner, I plan cities with the knowledge and attitude of one who believes that peace and love will prevail. My wife is a school teacher who teaches the next generations about peace and love and how it will prevail. Most of our peers have conducted careers in which they propagated the ideals of the Sixties in some fashion. This is the real world for the Sixties generation, going to work every day to make some kind of difference, however small. I have not been depressed one day in my life, nor has depression been the hallmark of the Sixties generation, nor have the people I know allowed greed to dominate their lives. The real revolutionaries are still in the classrooms, the board rooms, the operating rooms, the halls of justice, and down on the farm, making some kind of difference every day. They have raised families, built towns, designed transportations systems, invented ways to travel in space and made some righteous music and art. This has been going on since the Sixties, so for forty years this generation has had an enormous influence on the way this world has evolved, for better or worse. On the world stage there have some leaders from my generation, but very little peace and love has become institutionalized as a result. That fact does not mean that an entire generation has failed. To say so is very one-dimensional. This is, I suppose, the issue that Joni was addressing in her statement below. Her assumption is wrong in that we weren't all revolutionaries, many of us realized that someone had to stay home and feed the livestock and bake the bread. The ideals put forth by the revolutionaries did not fall on fallow ground, and parts of that teaching still goes on. I would like to add to Randy's list the ideas of sustainable communities and new urbanism in urban planning that will have a decided and profound effect on the way the generations will live, work and appreciate the glories of living; the Peace Corps; a pursuit of spiritual meaning, not necessarily in the context of organized religions; and, a dose of hedonism and plain fun in the pursuit of happiness. In many ways, you, my dear younger readers, are products of the Sixties, or have gained or suffered from the influences. I hope you find ideas from that time that will snap you up sharp and put your groove on. It is what keeps me going. My mantra from the day has been that "You're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem." I get up every day and become part of the solution. Ms. Mitchell's art and music are definitely part of the solution, and I hope she can find a context where that brings her fulfillment and the knowledge that the endeavors of the Sixties generation have bettered the world in many ways. All this positive energy has advanced the race a bit, even though political power has continued to corrupt those who pursue it, regardless of age or background. Bonneville Bruce On the path of the peaceful warrior > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:45:05 -0800 > From: "Randy Remote" > Subject: Re: new joni interview in mojo > > From: "Kate Bennett" > > >> Joni has made a huge sweeping generalization, one that rings very >> false to >> me. > > I agree. For one thing- what effing baton was passed? When did > this happen? Reagan's crowd came from the Nixon camp, and > went on to Bush's. There was never any transfer of power. The > corporate culture has only consolidated it's control and power, > and the media, which controls the discussion, is part of that. > And yet, in the 70's, the 60's generation managed, without > any help from the mainstream establishment, to instigate the > following world-changing movements: > Civil rights > The modern feminist movement > Stopped Vietnam > Free clinics > The modern ecological movement > Organic farming/food > Herbal/natural medicine/alternative health > Alternative media: free-form FM, newspapers, TV and news > Pioneered alternative power > Personal computers and the world wide web > Overhauled the Barbie & Ken 50's fashions > Revolutionized music, art, literature, etc > And you know, Joni, there may be more! While it's true > that many (esp rock stars) got mired in drugs and > self-centered behavior, others rolled up their sleeves > and got to work on what needed doing. You know it > never has been easy whether you do or don't resign- > but don't disregard the work that has been accomplished, > and continues. > RR > >> "In their youth, my generation was ready to change the world, but >> when the >> baton was passed to them in the '70s, they fell into a mass >> depression >> because all revolutionaries are quick to demolish and slow to fix. >> When >> handed the baton to fix it, they didn't know what to do so they >> kind of >> degenerated into the greediest generation in the history of America: ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 06:44:09 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: miss you, njc Where are you nuriel? where are you mack? How about Mr. Mattison from Canada and Frank from australia Ruth! (lacysleeves) who else is missing. . . come back come back _________________________________________________________________ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 04:51:22 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Photos/profiles of JMDL members, NJC Well, I really recommend you all to put your photos on members section of jmdl.com. Thanks for those who have, For those who havent, come on! It will be so much nicer if we can imagine the appearance of the ones that we debate/talk with. Rian. PS. Before I met Monika on facebook, I always imagined Monika as a lady in her early thities who works in an office wearing a black blazer with a hair like Monica Lewinsky's or Linda Tripp's. But i was wrong. She was just 2 years older than me who wears casual clothes and jeans with a guitar on her hand. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 04:49:37 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: From Bo, now Annette Benning, NJC Yes Bo, it was me who mentioned Annette Benning. That lady is a very fine actress! I have seen (only) 3 of her movies : American Beauty, Running With Scissors, and Being Julia (yes Bo, i have seen that gorgeous movie too). And i really have to give her three As for her acting on those three movies. I really recommend those three! Tomorrow is public holiday in INA: Islamic New Year (Hijriyah Year) (think about Hejira!) (The Islamic calendar begins at the year of the Hejira) And i guess i am gonna spend the day watching lots of movies (my new good friend has a huge DVD collection, more than 350 films) On my list for tomorrow: Lost In Translation (for the third times) Schindlers List Notes On A Scandal The Silence of The Lambs (for maybe the eight times) Guess Whos Coming To Dinner (for the second times), and Marie Antoinette Rian NP. Bjork  Hyper Ballad (she is visiting Indonesia next month, gotta save money for her concert) - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:17:23 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Clapton bio (njc) Darice, thanks for this - I feel the same way. Clapton has to be one of the most over-rated musicians of all time. He had the wisdom or good luck to surround himself with some of the finest guitar players ever and basked in their glow. I saw him live in Charlotte, NC and almost fell asleep he was so boring. I still say he had to re-arrange "Layla" to it's slower version because he can't come close to the spirited soulful playing of Duane Allman. And when his albums are more of him SINGING than playing, it's a bigger mistake still as his vocals are also tepid and complacent. Bob NP: Marshall Tucker Band, "Can't You See" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:29:50 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The Woodstock talk, NJC Well I peed in the bushes. I probably have better aim :) And we brought tons of food, most of which we traded for "gifts." Jerry > Port a potties & long lines > >> My question : > How did you cope with no food no bathroom thing? > You did that in the bushes? Oooo!!< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 06:04:10 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: the James Taylor solo concert DVD njc, well kinda Watched it last evening. It was very enjoyable. Am glad for JT, that he seems such a happy man nowadays. As he says, he's been transformed from a bad, bad man into "a golden retriever puppy dog". Was cool! I feel like I went to really great concert last night! Only it was in my living room. Thinking I might get more concert DVD's. But my hunch is that this one is pretty exceptional. The warmth and sort of intimacy (ack! that word!) of a show he obviously (and very charmingly) put together himself. I really enjoyed his telling of his "Troubador" phase and how he spoke of that Joni and he were each others' "bitch", lol. I think someone mentioned that on here before. I was happy he included the 2 songs from the album "Copperline", as I really like that CD alot. One thing I don't get: how JT never picked up a southern accent, having lived in NC all those years. He doesn't really have the Mass. accent either though. Anyway, I love JT all anew! Hope you all get a chance to see this sometime. :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 06:23:42 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: The Woodstock talk, NJC So you were there too? Wow! Anyway, What gifts were that Jerry? You put (") on the words. And it made me so curious. Rian NP. Carole King - SO Far Away Jerry Notaro wrote: Well I peed in the bushes. I probably have better aim :) And we brought tons of food, most of which we traded for "gifts." Jerry - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:40:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: The Woodstock talk, NJC Yes, I was there. I was 19 and on crutches. And unlike others, I do remember some of it :) Jerry > So you were there too? Wow! > > Anyway, > What gifts were that Jerry? > You put (") on the words. And it made me so curious. > > Rian > NP. Carole King - SO Far Away > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > Well I peed in the bushes. I probably have better aim :) > And we brought tons of food, most of which we traded for "gifts." > > Jerry > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:50:15 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Clapton bio (njc) Bob, we will have to agree to disagree as far as Clapton's playing is concerned. I will admit his solo career is very, very spotty. I have a handful of Clapton solo (as well as some Cream which I enjoy immensely)in which about 3 out of the 5 I don't listen to at all. They were gifts from friends and family so I have them. I will also say, he's not the best vocalist by any stretch of the imagination. As for him lacking passion or lacking soul or whatever as was mentioned, it's a hit or miss with Clapton. Some of his most passionate work is on the album Layla and other Assorted Love Songs. You can FEEL his pain in those songs. But I will disagree about his playing. I think he's one of the finest guitar players out there. Even if the actual song sucks, as long as Clapton's playing a bluesy solo (which he usually reverts to the blues when playing leads/solos), I'll listen. Some of his material is weak but his playing is usually top notch. Now granted I've never seen him live drunk or anything like that but he can play beautifully, in my opinion. -Monika Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Darice, thanks for this - I feel the same way. Clapton has to be one of the most over-rated musicians of all time. He had the wisdom or good luck to surround himself with some of the finest guitar players ever and basked in their glow. I saw him live in Charlotte, NC and almost fell asleep he was so boring. I still say he had to re-arrange "Layla" to it's slower version because he can't come close to the spirited soulful playing of Duane Allman. And when his albums are more of him SINGING than playing, it's a bigger mistake still as his vocals are also tepid and complacent. 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Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 08:52:11 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Photos/profiles of JMDL members, NJC Sorry to ruin your vision! It'd be nice if I was in my early thirties because by then I think I'll have everything together. -Monika Rian Afriadi wrote: Rian. PS. Before I met Monika on facebook, I always imagined Monika as a lady in her early thities who works in an office wearing a black blazer with a hair like Monica Lewinsky's or Linda Tripp's. But i was wrong. She was just 2 years older than me who wears casual clothes and jeans with a guitar on her hand. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 12:21:42 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Clapton bio (njc) I agree mostly with Bob on this one. Clapton is a technically proficient guitarist, but often his playing is as bloodless and soulless as his singing. I like him up through the end of Cream, actually, through _Wheels of Fire_. I particularly dislike his MOR unplugged identity. This biggest mistake I ever made was buying his Robert Johnson covers album. Snore city. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:06:47 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Clapton bio (njc) I would submit that what you're hearing is Duane Allman's skills and not Eric's - whatever Clapton accomplished on that album (which is indeed a must-have classic from start to finish) is due to his being pushed and challenged in the studio by Duane. (According to the Tom Dowd DVD that I saw). 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These are almost a requisite for my musical enjoyment. I'm several albums into a career as a recording engineer and producer, so I have some insight on how difficult it is to get that "live-in-the-studio-no-fixes take". My enjoyment is doubled knowing that a given song is an honest take. Joni's early catalog seems replete with honest takes, even though I don't know of any particular songs that were indeed such takes. I open the floor here, how many honest takes are on Joni's studio albums? I read an interview with Crosby who said that he just got out of Joni's way on STAS, which I take to mean that there was very little over-dubbing going on in that studio. Bonneville Bruce NP - Hotel California > Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:09:23 -0800 > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: Roine Stolt - Sex Kills > > Yeah Bob that's great....cool voice, tasty guitarist and funky band > too. Looks like that might be a live-in-the-studio-no-fixes take > also, another rarity these days (what I like to call "an honest > take".) > > Is he Dutch or German? > > Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:01:37 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: Bo on a lovely Wed. Afternoon Hey! Just read the Digest. CONGRATULATIONS, Cassy!!!!!!!!! Hope your big day begins a life filled withlasting love!!!! Bob...thanks for the NetFlix advise...I used to belong...think I'll join. I listened to Roine Stolt's "Sex Kills". Yep...it has more kick to it than Joni....but it's so unlike Joni. Here's a true confession from the 'authentic' me (I really dislike that authentic thing....so popular in the mental health field in the '60's and '70's...Carl Rogers gave that word birth...I think...long time ago). Back to me, the 'authentic' one....I have trouble with Joni covers. NOT being a musician may have something to do with this...I don't know. I do know that when I hear a cover I long to hear Joni. But, I also think covers are interesting...stimulating....but I know I miss a lot. Do you know what I mean? But I love my "PazFest"!!!!! Want to LAUGH???? I'm such a glunk...is that a word?...a not with it...but I always was so, so with it...this is an expression of being 57...in my head, I'm all ages....I look in the mirror and I recognize that silly grin smirking back at me...I thought if you stay thin you look more like you did when you were younger...but stuff moves around and DOWN....(any wankers yet?)....okay...so I rambled...another fancy-dancy with 57...the LAUGH...if it wasn't for you gorgeous, accepting of all, Joni people, old Bo wouldn't have known what UTUBE is!!!!! To me, that's hysterical.....ohmygod what is happening to me???? I was the kid...into my 40's, who knew every artist...every word from so many albums...and I like albums better than CD's...another authentic confession...not the SOUND...the art...the size. And, I can't do a complete split any more....sad, sad, sad for a former dancer. Betcha I can sing. People have told me so along life's skinny little streets in cities like Philly and NYC...not highways...who cares? I love to sing...love to dance...but...I'm in-touch BECAUSE of YOU! And I thank you and love all of you....and any skirmishes...love that word, Bob....I enjoy the freedom of our discussions...even if they may be skirmishy....just let me tell you this:it's a rough life to be born with such crazy, crazy LOVE for music, Joni, singing...and have no talent. Time for "Valley of the Dolls".....just kidding. Love U... Bo - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:29:58 -0600 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Paste's top 100 songwriters Sorry if this has already been sent. I am just posting the top 50, but for excellent Joni content scroll to the top 10! Suze n.p. Beth Amsel, 'Michigan' 50. Public Enemy (Chuck D, Flavor Flav, Hank Shocklee, Eric Sadler, et al) 49. Cat Stevens 48. Gillian Welch & David Rawlings 47. Sufjan Stevens 46. David Byrne (Talking Heads) 45. Jackson Browne 44. Al Green 43. Ryan Adams (Whiskeytown) 42. Loretta Lynn 41. Ray Davies (The Kinks) 40. Burt Bacharach & Hal David 39. Led Zeppelin (Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Paul Jones, John Bonham) 38. Kris Kristofferson 37. Smokey Robinson 36. Beck Hansen 35. Steve Earle 34. John Fogerty (Creedence Clearwater Revival) 33. Pete Townshend (The Who) 32. Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller 31. Carole King 30. John Prine 29. Tom Petty 28. Robbie Robertson (The Band) 27. Radiohead (Thom Yorke, Jonny Greenwood, Colin Greenwood, Ed O'Brien, Phil Selway) 26. R.E.M. (Peter Buck, Bill Berry, Mike Mills, Michael Stipe) 25. Chuck Berry 24. Jeff Tweedy (Wilco, Uncle Tupelo, Golden Smog, Loose Fur, etc.) 23. Elton John & Bernie Taupin 22. Lucinda Williams 21. Lou Reed (Velvet Underground) 20. Van Morrison 19. Patty Griffin 18. U2 (Bono, The Edge, Larry Mullen Jr., Adam Clayton) 17. Holland-Dozier-Holland 16. David Bowie 15. Willie Nelson 14. Stevie Wonder 13. Paul Simon 12. Mick Jagger & Keith Richards (The Rolling Stones) 11. Randy Newman The Top 10 10. Prince 9. Joni Mitchell 8. Elvis Costello 7. Brian Wilson (The Beach Boys) 6. Leonard Cohen 5. Paul McCartney (The Beatles, Wings) 4. Tom Waits & Kathleen Brennan 3. Bruce Springsteen 2. Neil Young (Buffalo Sprinfield, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young) 1. Bob Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 15:42:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Bo on a lovely Wed. Afternoon NJC Bo, Your posts make me happy. Thanks for that. Me too - I am an addict. I admit it. So at least you're in good company. Well, I didn't want to use the word "war" - it kinda gets Patti all excited. Seriously, I credit this group with making me a smarter writer and using more descriptive words and particularly for keeping me aware of the vast differences in views on things. I think it's really made me a better person. Bob NP: Joni, "Lesson In Survival" - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 20:03:00 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Paste's top 100 songwriters On Jan 9, 2008, at 6:29 PM, Sue Cameron wrote: > Sorry if this has already been sent. > > I am just posting the top 50, but for excellent Joni content scroll to > the top 10! > > Suze > I was wondering why John Lennon was left off but looked again at the heading and saw that it's the top 100 "living songwriters" which explains the omission. Although in a couple of other bands mentioned, they do credit people who have passed such as Syd Barret(Pink Floyd) and John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)...so a little inconsistent, not that it matters a whole lot in the great scheme of things. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: RE: Clapton bio (njc) To these ears, the beauty (and soul) is always in his playing, not always the singing, not always the writing but the playing. I am a huge fan of the blues though which Clapton is rooted in so perhaps that has something to do with it. -Monika Richard Flynn wrote: I agree mostly with Bob on this one. Clapton is a technically proficient guitarist, but often his playing is as bloodless and soulless as his singing. I like him up through the end of Cream, actually, through _Wheels of Fire_. I particularly dislike his MOR unplugged identity. This biggest mistake I ever made was buying his Robert Johnson covers album. Snore city. - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:55:20 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Clapton bio (njc) Well I'm not just talking about the playing in this case. In my opinion, Clapton expresses a variety of emotion not only in his playing but in his singing and writing as well. The songs themselves, guitar leads or no guitar leads, scream of anguish. In many songs it sounds like Clapton is pleading. -Monika Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: Love Songs. You can FEEL his pain in those songs. > I would submit that what you're hearing is Duane Allman's skills and not Eric's - whatever Clapton accomplished on that album (which is indeed a must-have classic from start to finish) is due to his being pushed and challenged in the studio by Duane. (According to the Tom Dowd DVD that I saw). 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Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 18:59:25 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC NJC Warning: U.S. political content.... I know we recently had a politics/no politics discussion but...I felt the need to post here for anyone in the U.S. who wants to make sure who they vote for is who they should vote for. I'm not one to post about politics or take part in political discussions but I found this very interesting and helpful. It reinforced my stance the candidate who I already support. http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/ You can take a quiz to see which Presidential candidate's views you most agree with. I said I'm voting Clinton, and Clinton was indeed my result in the quiz! -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 22:05:44 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Clapton bio (njc) I'm a big blues fan, too. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Monika Bogdanowicz Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 9:30 PM To: Joni people!; Richard Flynn Subject: RE: Clapton bio (njc) To these ears, the beauty (and soul) is always in his playing, not always the singing, not always the writing but the playing. I am a huge fan of the blues though which Clapton is rooted in so perhaps that has something to do with it. -Monika Richard Flynn wrote: I agree mostly with Bob on this one. Clapton is a technically proficient guitarist, but often his playing is as bloodless and soulless as his singing. I like him up through the end of Cream, actually, through _Wheels of Fire_. I particularly dislike his MOR unplugged identity. This biggest mistake I ever made was buying his Robert Johnson covers album. Snore city. - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 19:26:35 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Clapton bio (njc) From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" > To these ears, the beauty (and soul) is always in his playing, not always > the singing, not always the writing but the playing. I am a huge fan of > the blues though which Clapton is rooted in so perhaps that has something > to do with it. I will have to side with Mon on this one, too. I agree with you that his solo work has been 'spotty', sometimes even 'potty', but he has hit quite a few home runs. Most recently, his acoustic guitar work on Ravi Shankar's composition on the "Concert For George (Harrison)" was to die for. Cream's "Disraeli Gears" is one of the best albums ever recorded- even if Clapton himself does not seem to realize it. The Layla album has many firey duels between himself and Duane (not to mention his impassioned vocal on the title track), and his self-titled solo album is strong, not just in performance, but in the songwriting as well. The short-lived Blind Faith is still a staple of FM radio for good reason, and his work with Lennon's Plastic Ono Band and Harrison's early solo work was also exemplary. Again, there are lots of duds, I particularly dislike the "August" era Phil Collins-produced stuff. I thought his collaboration with JJ Cale was a snooze, except for a very nice song he wrote for his daughters, "Three Little Girls", ditto for his release with BB King. I saw him once in '74, and Carlos Santana joined the encore, "Eyesight To The Blind", and blew Eric off the stage-granted it was his drug period. As to his early blues period, I think "Peter Green is God" might have been more on target. As a person, my impression is that he is a real heel-at least that's the impression I got after reading Patti Boyd's book. I will say that I've recently seen his Crossroads DVD (the 2007 one), and he was very generous with the spotlight. His playing was great, if overshadowed by Jeff Beck and Albert Lee. Lastly, he has constantly trumpeted his American blues heroes such as Buddy Guy, and, along with the Rolling Stones, has brought a great deal of attention to them that they would not have otherwise gotten. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 17:53:48 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Sex Kills -->"an honest take" From: "Bruce Eggleston" > Dear Dave, > Thanks for bringing up "an honest take". These are almost a requisite > for my musical enjoyment. I'm several albums into a career as a > recording engineer and producer, so I have some insight on how > difficult it is to get that "live-in-the-studio-no-fixes take". > I open the floor here, how many honest takes are on Joni's studio > albums? I guess only her hairdresser knows for sure. I would think that Dylan is the king of live takes, for the rock era anyway. Apparently Sinatra sang live with the orchestra on his records. To me it's the final result that matters; some of the greatest albums were overdub city, like Dark Side of the Moon and Sgt Pepper. In Joni's case, I would suspect that the earlier stuff (up to C&S) was done more or less live, but don't know that there is any hard info on that. RR ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #529 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------