From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #525 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, January 6 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 525 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- ACOY cover [Michel BYRNE ] ACOY cover P.S. [Michel BYRNE ] Jack Nicholson behind his Joker [anon anon ] Re: new joni interview in mojo ["Randy Remote" ] Eric Clapton biography (NJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] RE: new joni interview in mojo ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Jack Nicholson behind his Joker [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: From Bo/Saturday [Peep Richman ] Re: new joni interview in mojo [Laura Stanley ] Re: speaking of Mrs. Dalloway NJC [Monika Bogdanowicz ] FW: speaking of Mrs. Dalloway NJC [anon anon ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:35:33 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: ACOY cover Thanks Bob - that cover's a pleasure. Dave Brown's got a great voice, and it's good to hear the song performed by a male. My only reservation is that the vocal is so close to Joni's own version on Travelogue (the lovely violin intro is from there too, of course). But it's such an incredibly difficult song to sing well, so fair play to the man. Thanks again. Michel, in ever-grey Glasgow. _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:41:36 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: ACOY cover P.S. Not Travelogue, BSN of course! _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:10:46 -0500 From: anon anon Subject: Jack Nicholson behind his Joker According to the new biography of Jack Nicholson, the line "Jack behind his joker" in the Joni Mitchell song "People's parties" was referring to Jack Nicholson... I remember someone on this list suggesting that years ago... strange that Jack Nicholson actually portrayed the Joker in the movie "Batman" about 15 years after the song was written... _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 12:45:05 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: new joni interview in mojo From: "Kate Bennett" > Joni has made a huge sweeping generalization, one that rings very false to > me. I agree. For one thing- what effing baton was passed? When did this happen? Reagan's crowd came from the Nixon camp, and went on to Bush's. There was never any transfer of power. The corporate culture has only consolidated it's control and power, and the media, which controls the discussion, is part of that. And yet, in the 70's, the 60's generation managed, without any help from the mainstream establishment, to instigate the following world-changing movements: Civil rights The modern feminist movement Stopped Vietnam Free clinics The modern ecological movement Organic farming/food Herbal/natural medicine/alternative health Alternative media: free-form FM, newspapers, TV and news Pioneered alternative power Personal computers and the world wide web Overhauled the Barbie & Ken 50's fashions Revolutionized music, art, literature, etc And you know, Joni, there may be more! While it's true that many (esp rock stars) got mired in drugs and self-centered behavior, others rolled up their sleeves and got to work on what needed doing. You know it never has been easy whether you do or don't resign- but don't disregard the work that has been accomplished, and continues. RR > "In their youth, my generation was ready to change the world, but when the > baton was passed to them in the '70s, they fell into a mass depression > because all revolutionaries are quick to demolish and slow to fix. When > handed the baton to fix it, they didn't know what to do so they kind of > degenerated into the greediest generation in the history of America: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 13:32:00 -0800 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Eric Clapton biography (NJC) My husband got "Clapton" as a Christmas gift and it was not 10 seconds later that I snatched it out of his hands. Well, I knew he'd never have time to read it anyway . ahem. Anyway, am almost done with it (let's see, we've been through the heroin addiction, two stays in Hazelden for alcoholism, etc.) Unfortunately no mention of Joni. My 11-year-old son is enamored of the big guys, the big guitar players, big famous football players, etc. and I said, you know, it's interesting that we, the public, think of these people as supergods but in reality, they're insecure human beings like the rest of us. In some cases more so because they're so coddled by the people around them, they never have to think/do anything for themselves (in Hazelden was the first time he'd ever made his own bed!) so they remain at an emotional age of 10 or so. Here is was/is, one of the most highly regarded guitar players in the world and he's freaking out at the We Are the World concert that the acts going before him are so much better, how will he top it, basically a nervous wreck. Frankly, I don't know that when my husband gets to it he'll even enjoy it. He bristles at stories of talented people wasting their lives on drugs/drink. For myself, I love the struggle and the redemption. I love the show Intervention although it conversely fascinates me and disgusts me at the same time. I'd definitely recommend it for a musical and emotional voyage. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 13:34:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: new joni interview in mojo So very true! I ran far away from that world (rock stars & drugs & self centered behavior) because it felt so very dark. Sensitive pisces that I am & was even moreso then :~}. Joni is a strong woman, she was able to navigate beautifully in that world. But that world was not the big picture by a long shot. When you are famous at a young age like Joni was, you see the whole world through a different prism than most of us do. No blame, it just is what is. >While it's true that many (esp rock stars) got mired in drugs and self-centered behavior, others rolled up their sleeves and got to work on what needed doing. You know it never has been easy whether you do or don't resign- but don't disregard the work that has been accomplished, and continues. RR< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 13:35:14 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Jack Nicholson behind his Joker Hmm, interesting. The line makes sense. I know I've seen pictures of a mid 70's Joni hanging out with Jack Nicholson in L.A. How is the book in general? -Monika anon anon wrote: According to the new biography of Jack Nicholson, the line "Jack behind his joker" in the Joni Mitchell song "People's parties" was referring to Jack Nicholson... I remember someone on this list suggesting that years ago... strange that Jack Nicholson actually portrayed the Joker in the movie "Batman" about 15 years after the song was written... _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 16:00:00 -0600 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection "Crazy Cries of Love": "Everyone was at the wing-ding" "New Frontier" (Donald Fagen, the Nightfly): "Yes, we're gonna have a wing-ding" Oddly, Don Freed wrote the words to "Crazy Cries of Love". On 12/30/07, Jim Kauffman wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On > > Behalf Of Dan Olson > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 4:14 PM > > To: joni@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection > > > > Okay, the exceptions are S&L (Weather Report's record label > > prohibited more than one member appearing on tour with > > anyone, and Jaco was the one) and oddly, Shine. I've > > wondered what is up with that, since she has someone else > > playing soprano sax, and clearly Wayne is still around (he > > plays brilliantly on Herbie's River). > > The Shine answer is another Steely Dan connection. Bob Sheppard has been a > regular member of the Steely Dan touring band. > > Jim K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:49:29 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: From Bo/Saturday Hello All, Wanted to add my congratulations to Alison!!!! I LOVE the name 'Amelia'...how lovely. And how does Amelia like the planet so far? And, Paz,...I laughed and laughed...never heard of the word "wanker"!!!! Kate, I agree with you completely about Joni's generalization to the 1970's generation...maybe she meant the late, late 1970's or, more pronounced, the generation of the 1980's. I grew up in the 1960's and I still hold the values of that time so close to my heart and my behavior. I hitched to Woodstock for my honeymoon with Ken and arrived 10 days prior to the concerts!!! Now that was an experience I couldn't make it through today....no food...no reasonable bathroom facilities....but did we ever have FUN!!!!!!!! I was so disappointed that Joni wasn't there but maybe we wouldn't have Joni's "Woodstock" if she had been at Woodstock. It sure seems as though the greater percentage of Americans did not integrate the teachings of Earth Day in their daily lives. And the horrid GREED I've seen and felt all around me in the 1980's and 1990's and these first years of 2000. What needs to happen....what tragedy....before the wake up call resonates? "Shine" says SO MUCH!!!! But will enough people listen to the lyrics...or, for that matter, listen to "Shine". Switching gears....I'm so sad to learn that Stephen Sills is dealing with recovery from prostate cancer. I'm sure he has a dynamic support system. Thanks for the link, Patti. Another big gear switch...maybe Stephen Sill's jogged my memory. I wanted everyone to know that I've heard of a very good RX program. It's called "TAKEDA"...no requirements and brand names of meds are covered. For information call 1-800-830-9159 or visit www.tpna.com...wait ...there are requirements...no RX coverage through private or governmental programs....total income does not exceed $20,420 for the first person and $6,690 for each additional person in household. Just wanted to pass the info along. Enjoy Sunday!!! Much love from Bo - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:14:43 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: new joni interview in mojo Kate wrote: Joni has made a huge sweeping generalization, one that rings very false to me. The rock & roll world she was living in was very different from mine. I did go back to the garden, along with many others during the 1970's. It was a remarkable experiment in leaving behind material things & hedonistic lifestyles, to dedicate our hearts & hands to living & working close to nature while seeking to put basic spiritual practices into everyday life. On one level it was hugely successful. On another level, it was not sustainable in that particular form due to what I would sum up as flaws in human nature that were unable to be addressed. Ironically, I was just talking to someone yesterday who observed our particular experiment & who felt that our efforts had had forever changed her life & the culture of our local community (& perhaps beyond) in positive ways that were irrevocable in spite of the flaws. I am still close to many from those days & impressed with the way many are still manifesting the ideals of their youth into the world. We did change the world in many ways. And still are. Happy New Year to all! Kate Hi Kate, Happy new year to you too! I agree with you that more good changes have come as a result of the children of the 60's and 70's than Joni seems to be noticing. As with most experimentation, the things that work are built upon sometimes very slowly. I was listening to John and Yoko yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lMxWWK218 There is so much more freedom of expression today because of the hippie generation where men began to paint their faces and dance with the women. We have a woman running for president who has a hippie heart like her husband. The generation of today is very interested in what went on in the 60's and 70's. It is a good time to be a grown up hippie. I wouldn't underestimate the capabilities and on-goings of the current generation. It seems rather old-folkish to bust out the current generation and blame it on failure of past generations to follow through with their ideals. 'Where did we go wrong? How can we have such disappointing youth today?' GAG!! Can't parents come up with anything new to focus on? Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:49:35 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: speaking of Mrs. Dalloway NJC I was just thinking generally about people today and how relatable Clarissa Dalloway is as a character. Without going into excruciating detail pinpointing this or that, I think everybody has some Clarissa in them to a degree (more or less depending on the person). Think about it. How much of the world knows the real you? How much do you keep in? I just think of all of the different feelings and thoughts I have that I never, ever disclose to anyone. For example, most people comment on how calm and mellow I always am. I just nod or whatever but nobody knows that my mind runs wild and I'm often stressed. I just choose to not show it. In a way, we all put on a show for the world at times. It's almost essential to living in certain situations, isn't it? -Monika Mark Scott wrote: Clarissa isn't easy, is she? The film version Mrs. Dalloway starred Vanessa Redgrave who made her seem very serene and gracious on the surface but somehow failed to capture the sharper edges that lie beneath Clarissa's facade. I love the passage where she's sitting in front of her mirror and thinking about how she pulls all of her different persona together into one diamond shape (her face) to show the world. I also think her reasons for marrying Richard instead of Peter are very intriguing. Mark in Seattle - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:51:19 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: njc, Stephen Stills recovering well Well that is some good news to hear. I wish him and his family well at this time. I'm sure Stephen will continue rockin' on. He's been through quite a bit afterall. -M Patti Parlette wrote: For anyone who doesn't already know: http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN0431509120080104 Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 19:02:18 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC A beautiful quote... On Facebook I have a John Lennon and Joni Mitchell Quotes Application where everyday features a new song quote from each. Anyhow, today's John Lennon one was particularly beautiful so I thought I'd share, "Love is the answer and you know that for sure. Love is a flower, you got to let it grow." -J. Lennon - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 22:28:02 -0500 From: anon anon Subject: FW: speaking of Mrs. Dalloway NJC > Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 18:49:35 -0800> From: motitan75@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: speaking of Mrs. Dalloway NJC> To: joni@smoe.org; mark.travis@gte.net> > I was just thinking generally about people today and how relatable Clarissa Dalloway is as a character. Without going into excruciating detail pinpointing this or that, I think everybody has some Clarissa in them to a degree (more or less depending on the person). Think about it. How much of the world knows the real you? How much do you keep in? I just think of all of the different feelings and thoughts I have that I never, ever disclose to anyone. For example, most people comment on how calm and mellow I always am. I just nod or whatever but nobody knows that my mind runs wild and I'm often stressed. I just choose to not show it. > In a way, we all put on a show for the world at times. It's almost essential to living in certain situations, isn't it?> - -Monika > > Mark Scott wrote:> > Clarissa isn't easy, is she? The film version Mrs. Dalloway starred > Vanessa Redgrave who made her seem very serene and gracious on the > surface but somehow failed to capture the sharper edges that lie > beneath Clarissa's facade. I love the passage where she's sitting in > front of her mirror and thinking about how she pulls all of her > different persona together into one diamond shape (her face) to show > the world. I also think her reasons for marrying Richard instead of > Peter are very intriguing.> > Mark in Seattle > > I often wonder if many people realize how incredibly complex and 3 dimesnional people truly are... I often overcomplicate things and people perhaps, but I wonder if many people don't go to the other extreme, that is that they oversimpify people... to me that is much worse... _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista. + Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_ CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #525 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------