From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #520 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 1 2008 Volume 2007 : Number 520 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- For Joni [Mark-Leon Thorne ] (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request ["Lori Fye" ] Re: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request ["Randy Remote" ] while raking today NJC [Mags ] Jaco Pastorius [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request and some blah blah [FMY] Re: sjc 10 best list [Bob Muller ] Re: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request and some blah blah [Vic] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #519/From Bo NJC [Peep Richman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:21:08 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: For Joni Music Matters For all those who stood up and were counted For all those for whom money was no motive For all those for whom music was a message I want to thank you For making me A little more sure A little more wise And courageous You told me to look much further You told me to walk much more You told me that music matters And to chase the dogs back from my door I won't stop here I won't be still until the sun sets On us all.. Under the sheets with my radio Turn down low So nobody know It's the late night show Hopin' to hear 'Hey Joe' Jimi was my hero Head blown by Todd R. A wizard a true star From Dali Lama to Tanamo Curtis Mayfield to Kurtis Blow Singing into my pillow And praying I don't dose Until my 9 Volt battery goes.. You told me to look much further You told me to walk much more You told me that music matters And to chase the dogs back from my door I won't stop here I won't be still until the sun sets On us all.. You told me to look much further You told me to walk much more You told me that music matters And to chase the dogs back from my door I won't stop here I won't be still until the sun sets On us all.. You told me that music matters.. You told me that music matters.. You told me that music matters.. You told me that music matters.. - - Faithless Shine on, Joni ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:39:17 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request Over the years, I have certainly contributed quite often to the political discussions here on the JMDL. However, I've also figured out over the (more recent) years that U.S. political discussions are often very unfair to the general membership of the JMDL. Afterall, much of the beauty of the list has to do with its international membership. And the on-and-on political posting by the Americans has driven away too many of our non-American members, as well as some of our American members -- and the loss of even one friend of spirit is one too many. May I make a request that, for 2008, we refrain from posting politcal content here? I know it can be difficult (particulary during a U.S. presidential election year), but let's just TRY it. We have other places to post those discussions (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JMDLPC/ being one). Let's make use of those places. Let's allow this place to be a sanctuary FROM all the political talk. Who's in? Happy New Leap Year!! Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:12:58 -0800 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You JUst chiming in on this one.. Down to you - a more consequential phrase than 'up to you' It implies that actions in the past have been because of your choices, or actions which will affect your future (and much deeper than merely 'Oh, what should we watch tonight at the cinema?' but more like: 'You've studied so hard to become an accountant and it's a week away from your final exam. If you know that this isn't the right career for you and you want to to become an artist, then it's down to you. I can't make that decision for you.' Up to you implies a lighter situation or even a more flippant retort 'Oh up to you!' But Down to you implies you want the other person to think deeply about what they are about to do (or even, what they have done) All the best Happy New Year Jamie Zooby On 30/12/2007, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Down to you = your decision to make. > > Mark in Sydney > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:49:30 -0500 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list I think it's very unfortunate they chose to do these different bonus songs.? The two Amazon bonus songs might just be my favorites on the whole album, so it's a shame that not everyone got them.? Also, I would to hear the Harlem in Havana.? Can that be purchased separately, or only if you buy the whole album through Itunes? Jack - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Muller To: Randy Remote ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 8:27 pm Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list And Itunes has it with I Had A King & Harlem In Havana - so if all of these tracks had been properly released, it WOULD have been a double CD, so you're off the hook. Yep, it came out about the same time as T'log and is much more enjoyable to me anyway - all instrumentals. The only cover of Lakota to date. Bob NP: Macy Gray, "Still" - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:09:24 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list You have to buy the ENTIRE album on Itunes, those tracks cannot be purchased separately. What a scam. More idiocy brought to you by the fine folks at Apple Core. But...not to worry, Jack. I'll see what I can do to remedy the situation for you. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "This House Is Empty Now" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:50:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > You have to buy the ENTIRE album on Itunes, those tracks cannot be > purchased separately. What a scam. More idiocy brought to you by the fine > folks at Apple Core. Not at all the choice of Apple or iTunes. It is the license holder's decision. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:23:38 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request I must say that I am not for such censure. Considering that US policy is affecting and threatening the whole world, it would seem like requesting that we all ignore the elephant in the room. No, I am not in favor of this idea any more than I would ask Joni to confine her songwriting to non-political/social themes. She deems it timely, and it is. It doesn't seem to me that political talk dominates here anyway. I am interested in hearing what Americans (the majority of the list fwiw) have to say about their government, as well as the views of those outside of the US, not just on US policy, but events in their countries as well. It's one of the ways the internet helps us understand each other. That said, I do try to refrain from political content-but sometimes the elephant dung is just too pungent. If this kind of censoring of topics is okay, it seems fair to eliminate other topics that others (like me) might not like. That's not what this list is about. RR > May I make a request that, for 2008, we refrain from posting politcal > content here? I know it can be difficult (particulary during a U.S. > presidential election year), but let's just TRY it. We have other places > to > post those discussions (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JMDLPC/ being one). > Let's make use of those places. Let's allow this place to be a sanctuary > FROM all the political talk. > Who's in? > Happy New Leap Year!! > Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:02:07 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list That's true - as you know I love to dis Apple whenever I can. However, this is also true - Itunes pressures artists to give them exclusive material, in most cases they refuse to spotlight an album unless the artist gives them some bonus stuff. I read an interview with someone, I forget who, who laughed at that request saying that if they had anything good they would have put it on the album to begin with. Speaking of Itunes, I see where they are offering two Joni interviews with Barney Hoskins. Has anyone downloaded them yet - I am tempted, even at the price of $9.99 each. Bob NP: Betty Wright, "Clean-Up Woman" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:26:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request I'm with you, Randy. I love reading what all our members have to say about everything, especially those from outside of the U.S. I think a better request is that everyone express their opinions in a civil and cordial manner. Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > I must say that I am not for such censure. Considering > that US policy is affecting and threatening the whole > world, it would seem like requesting that we all ignore > the elephant in the room. No, I am not in favor of this > idea any more than I would ask Joni to confine her > songwriting to non-political/social themes. She deems > it timely, and it is. > It doesn't seem to me that political talk dominates here > anyway. > I am interested in hearing what Americans (the majority > of the list fwiw) have to say about their government, > as well as the views of those outside of the US, not just on > US policy, but events in their countries as well. It's one of > the ways the internet helps us understand each other. That said, > I do try to refrain from political content-but sometimes the > elephant dung is just too pungent. > If this kind of censoring of topics is okay, it seems fair to > eliminate other topics that others (like me) might not like. > That's not what this list is about. > RR > >> May I make a request that, for 2008, we refrain from posting politcal >> content here? I know it can be difficult (particulary during a U.S. >> presidential election year), but let's just TRY it. We have other >> places >> to >> post those discussions (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JMDLPC/ being >> one). >> Let's make use of those places. Let's allow this place to be a >> sanctuary >> FROM all the political talk. >> Who's in? >> Happy New Leap Year!! >> Lori ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:30:34 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request > I must say that I am not for such censure. Hi Randy, I'm suggesting only "SELF-censure." For sure, it falls under the "censure" category, but it also falls under the "consideration." We've lost a lot of people (myself included, for awhile earlier this year) due to what Mike P. has correctly identified as "swamping." I don't really expect this list to make it through all of 2008 without some sort of political chatter. I also know, after 5 years of it existing, that the JMDLPC list on Yahoo won't draw many newcomers. There are only 14 people on that list as of right now, and that simply isn't a big enough audience for most people who want to post about their most heartfelt convictions. Plus, probably all of those 14 people are on pages from the same political book, so there's not really anyone to convince ... Of course, there's hardly anyone to convince on this larger list, either, for the same reason. Of those who view things differently than do the majority here, most have pretty much made up their minds and aren't planning to change. So I'm suggesting -- requesting -- some self-censure this year. Everyone will do what they're gonna do, anyway, but it's my hope that they'll do it with more consideration in 2008. Happy New Year, Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:31:17 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request > it also falls under the "consideration" category. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:34:50 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Barney Hoskins interview Check out: http://www.rocksbackpages.com/article.html?ArticleID=8219 For a 6-month subscription one can listen to many more interviews than just Joni. And there is much more: http://www.rocksbackpages.com/artist.html?ArtistID=mitchell_joni Not sure if it's worth it or not, each to their own. Cassy If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list > decision.> > > That's true - as you know I love to dis Apple whenever I can. However, > this is also true - Itunes pressures artists to give them exclusive > material, in most cases they refuse to spotlight an album unless the > artist gives them some bonus stuff. I read an interview with someone, I > forget who, who laughed at that request saying that if they had anything > good they would have put it on the album to begin with. > > Speaking of Itunes, I see where they are offering two Joni interviews with > Barney Hoskins. Has anyone downloaded them yet - I am tempted, even at the > price of $9.99 each. > > Bob > > NP: Betty Wright, "Clean-Up Woman" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:42:06 -0500 (EST) From: Mags Subject: while raking today NJC While raking ficus benjamina leaves today, four hours worth, I had a lot of time to think about some of the comments made on the overnight digest. I think that one of the reasons why the internet/email lists like this one became so popular is because of a need for connection, a need to be heard, a need to feel that whatever one was writing, would be noticed, taken in, cared about. Life spins pretty damned fast these days, so perhaps, some are looking for ways to slow it down a bit. All speculation of course. Thoughts informed by a little to much O2/CO2 exchanges from the Atrium ;-) When I first joined this list, seeking connection with others was part of the reason why I joined. The thought of connecting with others who also "got Joni" was a big draw. I think what happened over time, for me anyway, is that I got into the habit of talking about my personal stuff. Why wouldnt I? I had made friends, online and in person, so I thought it was okay to do so. Over time, I have learned though. And not always successful but still, I have tried hard to pull back on the reins because so often, I would write something and there would be nary a response. A resounding thud. Of course I take that personally, who wouldnt. But what I know now is this, on this eve of the New Year. I wont be doing that so much, if at all. Im thinking of taking a break too, from these pages, as others have recently done the same. Why not just leave. Why say anything at all. Im just a cog in motion, after all. So, Im finding my way again, and will try very hard not to lay great expectations in response to what I have to say. I shouldnt really try to explain any of this, but for those of you who were kind enough to write off list in response to my mysterious post of late, I guess this is ultimately for you. Ive learned alot, have gained chosen sisters, brothers, and friends. Ive learned so much more about Joni, her career etc than I ever would had I not joined. And most of all, I have come to realize that I need to learn to be even more careful about what I write, and why. As she wrote, I too am a woman of heart and mind who does live for connections, and I will try to be more considerate about that need. thanks for putting up with me all these years. And I wish you all the very best that the new year will bring , with hopes for good health, peace and joy to all. love, Mags - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:47:28 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Jaco Pastorius This may have been discussed, but I've been unable to keep us with a lot of the posts on the list this month. They did have an article in our local newspaper today on Jaco being honored in Oakland Park (a suburb outside of Ft. Lauderdale) where he lived. After 20 yrs since his death, they are honoring him with a yet unbuilt park. I couldn't find our local rag's article on this, but here's a link to another Florida newspaper. http://www.bradenton.com/331/story/296398.html Jimmy ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:36:03 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request and some blah blah I have to agree with both Randy and Jerry, although I understand where you're coming from Lori, and you know I adore you. Ever since the list came out with the NJC tag, any topic is up for grabs as long as people are cordial to one another. I don't read many of the political posts whether they are about U.S. or from other countries. (although I should) Hell, I skip a lot of posts that are Joni related too. I just don't have a lot of time, or sometimes interest. Somedays I manage to read all of the post. It's good for me to keep up with ALL worldly affairs. When I get pissed (especially with US Politics) is when wonderful people like Kakki or when Marcel was on here, get attacked because of their opinions. The JMDL is made up of all walks of life, and we should all respect that. I especially love reading Paz's post when they don't have anything to do with Joni and he doesn't mark it NJC. Still he deserves that right since he's the grand poobah of the "inner circle" he he he. I just had to get that in for my last post of the year. I want to thank Les for everything you do. Muller, for all the work on the covers, and being a friend to everyone. I got covers #96 today, and it's great. Randy Remote, even though I've never met you, or emailed you privately after all these years, I always enjoy your posts and your incredible knowledge of music. To IVPaul, for your never ending kindness. HA HA. Also a thanks to Coyote Rick, who keeps me informed of what Joni is "really doing", and to my best friend David Mingus, (who's not doing well), but keeps hanging in there. He's the reason I love Joni and why I'm still here. I also thank the new people on the list; the people that have been on the list for years that quit posting, but still keep in touch with me. I thank ANYONE who has read any of my banal posts which contain the worse grammar, buy hey I'm a grave digger.....what do you expect :) Happy New 2008 everyone. Jimmy, who has rented the "Simpson's movie to bring in the New Year (Hi Victor) In a message dated 12/31/2007 3:32:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, notaro@stpt.usf.edu writes: > I'm with you, Randy. I love reading what all our members have to say about > everything, especially those from outside of the U.S. I think a better > request is that everyone express their opinions in a civil and cordial > manner. > > Jerry > ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:45:35 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list http://download.yousendit.com/39F3154C5CF8DFA8 To hear HiH, IHAK, & ACOY. Happy New Year, hippies! Bob NP: Lynyrd Skynyrd, "Take Your Time" - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:39:39 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request and some blah blah > Jimmy, who has rented the "Simpson's movie to bring in the New Year > (Hi > Victor) > Hi Jimmy! My copy is sitting right here (I ordered it from Amazon) and plan on watching it in the not so distant future...it was awesome in the theatre! I can't imagine life without the Simpsons! I would like to echo what Jimmy said and agree that more important than anything else, be cordial and considerate. I don't know that there's a whole lot more to say about that. As for leaving the list - I've sent a couple of posts now about that topic that don't seem to post (a Comcast issue I think)- but anyway, the gist of it is, I don't consider unsubbing to be that big of a deal. I've left before, for a whole year in fact, and it was a good thing. I enjoy posting, reading what other people post and have made some great friends along the way...I've also always been very respectful to people even when they were not to me but I digress. The thing is, everybody has a life outside of this virtual world and they share a little bit of that here which makes it a very interesting place to say the least. I just think its important to remember, for the most part, how little we really know about each other but on the other hand, I think it is so awesome that I have connected with people from all over the world, in Barcelona for example...I am incredibly humbled that my experience here in Atlanta echoes so far away from where I live and sleep, or being able to hang with Bene from Scandanavia in California, and I can't even begin to list all the adventures I've been on with Paz....and Kakki and Jody for that matter. Anyhow, I'm not planning on going anywhere but I kind of see this place as a magical land kind like Brigadoon or Narnia. Real but not real....but a place you can leave and when you come back its as if no time has gone by. Though I guess in Brigadoon, if you left you would have a hard time finding it again unless you waited a hundred years which reminds of me of LOST, returning Jan. 31 and Jack Shepard in L.A., wishing he had never left the island and trying, trying to find it again with no success. So this conludes the blah blah blah section. Everybody have a happy new year! best, Victor NP: Herbie Hancock "I Had a King" thanks Bob! (I have the amazon version and not the itunes so was psyched to finally here this...it rocks!) A(lso)NP: Kentucky 14 Fla State 14 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:32:09 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #519/From Bo NJC Hi Jonilistas, I read the V2007 #519 just before I was planning to post some thoughts about the new year....wishing all a safe and joyous new year etc. But I really feel upset/sad about the exchange between Rian and Mike. And I'm particularly sad to learn that Mike will be leaving the list. (Mike, I'm writing to you off-list). What upset me about the exchange between Rian and Mike is that I have never read anything like this on the list. It's my understanding and experience reading the postings that we have agreed to disagree and everyone has been cool about this....we learn from one another, different views on many subjects....at least I do and I betcha others do as well. I felt that parts of the exchange were piercing...that's just the word that popped into my mind. Another word is ego...another ego-centric...and there's a few others. IN NO WAY AM I ANALYZING THE EXCHANGE!!!!! Having said this limits what I will post. It's not that I don't understand (or think I understand) what was said by Mike and by Rian. I have a good understanding of what was exchanged and maybe what was implied....of course, it's only my impression, my understanding and I could be completely off target. However, there is no doubt that feelings were really hurt on both Mike and Rian's part...for this I am sad....very sad. I didn't read anything either written by Mike or Rian that I felt was "earth-shattering"....maybe an expression of misunderstanding. But there was no questioning of what was said by Rian or Mike. There was an exchange of anger and hurt with no resolution....but Mike is leaving and Rian might just lurk for a while. Forgive me if I've gotten anything incorrect....I didn't take notes. Mike wrote an apology...to me that's one way of resolving an issue, but I didn't read anything that indicated a true resolution of feelings.....just hurt and anger. This Digest list...I've often referred to the Digest as a "family" ...is very important to many, many people. We have threads, agreements, disagreements....but they have all been couched with the spirit of non-judgmental acceptance. Gee, I have to end now....I'm late and someone is waiting for me. I hope I've expressed myself in a positive way...and in a complete way. If I haven't, I'll be the first to know...and I guess I'll write more. Sad way to end 2007 and greet 2008. From Bo - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:18:47 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Ring in the new, have a good New Year I just wanted to tell everyone to have a very Happy New Year! As for myself, I will be ringing in the new year in my bed sleeping with my dog lying by me. I am feeling under the weather and have no interest in doing much but sleeping. But seriously, everyone ring in the New Year happily but be safe please! What happens in the New Year is "down to you" when you come to think about it. May 2008 bring you whatever you desire most--love, happiness, peace, etc etc. As for the recent drama on the list, I am very sorry to read such things. I won't tell anyone what to do but if we all listened to what EVERY SINGLE PERSON said, we'd all be sitting in our rooms curled in a ball. I mean if Joni really listened to what every single person said, she really wouldn't be making any more music. It seems the negatives always stick with us far longer than the positives. Funny, human nature. There are times when others won't like your posts....well anything is game as far as I am concerned. I admit I don't read all the "NJC" posts. That is why such a thing as "delete" exists. But if people want to leave the list to go on with their lives, go for it. Live and learn. But if you leave the list because of one or two people and quite a few misunderstandings, then the connection that bonds us all weakens. Much Joni (a borrowed phrase from other JMDLers) and love to those on and off the list, -Monika, who is heading to bed to listen to some Joni and then go to sleep - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:05:09 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: RE: (NJC) Happy New Year -- and a Special Request Lori wrote: > Over the years, I have certainly contributed quite often to the political > discussions here on the JMDL. However, I've also figured out > over the (more > recent) years that U.S. political discussions are often very unfair to the > general membership of the JMDL. Afterall, much of the beauty of the list > has to do with its international membership. And the on-and-on political > posting by the Americans has driven away too many of our non-American > members, as well as some of our American members -- and the loss of even > one friend of spirit is one too many. > > May I make a request that, for 2008, we refrain from posting politcal > content here? I know it can be difficult (particulary during a U.S. > presidential election year), but let's just TRY it. We have > other places to > post those discussions (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JMDLPC/ being one). > Let's make use of those places. Let's allow this place to be a sanctuary > FROM all the political talk. > Who's in? Count me in, but then that's a little redundant anyway, since I could probably count the "political"-type posts I've made to this list on one hand. Most of the time it bores me silly, particularly USA politics, despite the fact that it does impact the rest of the world. I'm here for Joni, and to talk to the many friends I've made on this list about a wide range of subjects, but mostly music. Incidentally, I'm with Billy Connolly as far as politics and politicians are concerned - the desire of anyone to become a politician should automatically preclude them from becoming one... I think Lori's idea is admirable, and I'd love it if political discussions were non-existant on the JMDL. But unfortunately, I doubt that will ever be the case, and due to our own rules (posting on the life and times of Joni Mitchell WITHOUT moderation) I don't think we can enforce it anyway. My request is more simple - clear and PRECISE subject lines, judicious use of the NJC tag, and accurate cutting and pasting. None of those vague "Read this - but delete if uninterested" or "This affects everyone - you must read this". Even prefacing your subject with "USA Politics", "UK Politics" or "Uzbekistan Politics" would be a nice addition. That would give everyone a choice on whether to read the post or not. Speaking personally (without naming names), there are some people where I read everything they post, others who I delete no matter what the subject line. Just as in real life, there are people I choose to talk to, and some I don't. I've made many friends in this community, and some will be life-long - others I'll never meet and it won't be any great loss for either of us. Hoping 2008 brings peace, joy and prosperity to all... Hell in NZ (where it's been 2008 for about 16 hours already) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:53:44 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" > Up to you implies a lighter situation or even a more flippant retort > 'Oh up to you!' But Down to you implies you want the other person to > think deeply about what they are about to do (or even, what they > have > done) > > All the best > > Happy New Year > > Jamie Zooby I've been mulling this one over and finally seem to have pulled my thoughts together. Down to you, to me, implies something that is final and ultimate. The buck stops here. You are responsible for your attitude, the way you treat other people and the way you live your life. Yes, you make choices about these things. But the *responsibility* for those choices is ultimately yours and yours alone. I guess I'm thinking in the context of the phrase 'it comes down to this', meaning, all factors considered, it all boils down to one root cause. 'Boils down' is another expression of the same concept. I'm not getting this stated as clearly as I would like so maybe my thoughts weren't quite as together as I thought. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:22:49 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: NJC Ring in the new, have a good New Year Happy New Year! May we all who shine try to make this planet a better place to live in and make it shine, too! All of my love to all here as I send my most sacred vibes and my very best to y'all and all of yours as I give thanks to the Alpha and Omega. I'll try to come back tonight to our special place here when all is said, done and settled here for the night. Love, Jeannie nj ' ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 01:39:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: goodbye NJC m scolded us: >>what I won't miss: quizzes, multiple postings, disrespectful cutting and pasting, self-indulgent extremely unfunny posts which really belong on a personal blog, not here on the Joni list.<< Okay i feel a little guilty for self-indulgently posting not-funny blogs to the NJC (and apologize for the few times I forgot to add NJC to the subject line)! But i don't quite understant this post. Are u just unsubscribing from the NJC digest or the entire JMDL? Quizzes are entirely appropriate for a Joni Mitchell disgussion list! Multiple postings are usually user problems and not intentional. Cut-and-pasting is essential for communicating succinctly. i thought that NJC is for Joni lovers to freely share their personal thoughts? & i hope i wasn't one of the unfunny bloggers who drove u 2 say goodbye! HAPPY 2008!!!!!!!! ET ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #520 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------