From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #519 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 31 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 519 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You [Mark-Leon Thorne <] Re: Steely Dan Connection [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Mrs. Dalloway, NJC ["mike pritchard" ] My Name is Red NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Mrs. Dalloway, NJC ["Jerry Notaro" ] goodbye NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Jaco ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Steely Dan & New Year's (njc) [PassScribe@aol.com] ANSWER : JoniQuiz : FTR [Rian Afriadi ] re: goodbye NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: For the Roses quiz [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Down To You ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Steely Dan Connection ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] re: goodbye NJC [Rian Afriadi ] Re: For the Roses quiz : guitar [Rian Afriadi ] RE: Goodbye NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Steely Dan & New Year's (njc) [Mark-Leon Thorne ] My Goodbye, NJC [Rian Afriadi ] RE: My Goodbye, NJC/Goodbye, NJC [Cindy Vickery ] New Years Eve 1976???.... [KEVIN DOHENY ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:31:16 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You Down to you = your decision to make. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:40:30 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection Thank you, thank you, thank you, Dave. I am not musically educated but I have an instinct and I just couldn't put my finger on what made me associate Steely Dan's sound with some of Joni. You pulled out every detail that I just couldn't articulate. If we were talking about a neurological anomaly, I might have been better able to explain myself. There is definitely an overall similarity in sound although their styles are mostly quite different. I knew they had some commonality in musicians used on their recordings too. I can hear common styles used in certain instruments. There is also something similar in lyrical style even though, as Em pointed out, Joni has mostly been about personal exploration until the '80s and Steely Dan often write from a third person perspective. Thank God for you, Dave. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:18:40 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Mrs. Dalloway, NJC >>Not that I'm any great literary scholar. But the structure of 'The Waves' is amazing to me. It consists entirely of the inner voicings of 6 characters, beginning with the time when they are small children and living together at a boarding school. There is no 3rd person omniscient narrator and there are no transitions from one 'voice' to the next. There are periodic descriptions of the passing of a day on a seacoast, beginning with the sun rising over the ocean that more or less correspond with the various stages of the 6 character's lives - morning, mid-day, evening, etc. These passages are all beautifully written, richly descriptive.<< Then I recommend Orhan Pamuk's "My Name is Red", which is a sort of 16th-century Istanbul-based murder mystery which features a series of first-person narratives although some of the 'persons' are not always animate persons; narratives come from a gold coin, the colour red, a corpse, a tree, death, a horse, and Satan. Explains a lot about the history of the Islamic world over more than a thousand years. mike in bcn np Satanic Reverses - Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:23:12 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: My Name is Red NJC http://www.randomhouse.com/knopf/authors/pamuk/ more info on My Name is Red here (see previous post). mike in bcn np Jeff Buckley - Grace ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Mrs. Dalloway, NJC mike pritchard wrote: > > Then I recommend Orhan Pamuk's "My Name is Red", which is a sort of > 16th-century Istanbul-based murder mystery which features a series of > first-person narratives although some of the 'persons' are not always > animate > persons; narratives come from a gold coin, the colour red, a corpse, a > tree, > death, a horse, and Satan. Explains a lot about the history of the Islamic > world over more than a thousand years. My favorite book I read last year. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:34:44 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: goodbye NJC Things I will miss: all the great people I met at Joni fest... all the wonderful recommendations of new music... all the answers to all types of questions... all the news about who's doing what... hearing about Victor's music course. I have been (vicariously) living his degree course with him. I hope he continues to enjoy it, ditto for Joseph in Chapel Hill. what I won't miss: quizzes, multiple postings, disrespectful cutting and pasting, self-indulgent extremely unfunny posts which really belong on a personal blog, not here on the Joni list. Cheers, mike in bcn np Sandy Denny - Solo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:36:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Jaco Jaco Pastorius honored in Oakland Park, 20 years after death By ADRIAN SAINZ Associated Press Writer Jaco Pastorius' violent death 20 years ago ended the career of one of the most original and flamboyant jazz musicians ever to strap on an electric bass guitar. Pastorius' Grammy-winning career included time with influential group Weather Report, Joni Mitchell and Herbie Hancock, who has called him a genius. But the end of his life was marred by erratic and strange behavior that culminated in a brawl outside a South Florida bar that killed him at 35. Now, the city of Oakland Park is honoring the man they simply call Jaco, naming a yet-unbuilt park after him as a reminder that a visionary once roamed this otherwise nondescript Fort Lauderdale suburb. "He influenced me as a kid growing up wanting to do what he did," said Brian Yale, bass guitarist for the rock band Matchbox 20, at an Oakland Park city commission meeting in November. "That it happened here in Oakland Park in the local school system, that's cool," said Yale, who lives near the park. "It's something that all of us should be telling our kids about, because this stuff started here. He changed the one American art form - jazz." Pastorius' virtuosity is cited by musicians and teachers alike. His speedy fingers, stylized harmonies, personal themes and technical proficiency on his Fender bass produced gems such as the quickly paced "Donna Lee," his wistful solo "Portrait of Tracy," and the catchy, upbeat "Birdland" with Weather Report. He often appeared shirtless to show off his slim build and wore a bandanna or other headwear. He liked to move around the stage and, in essence, brought a rock frontman's presence and energy to jazz music performances. He's earned praise from jazz mainstays like Wayne Shorter and Pat Metheny, to rock guitarist Carlos Santana, to Police frontman/bassist Sting, who has compared Pastorius to another guitar revolutionary - Jimi Hendrix. Here's what Red Hot Chili Peppers bassist Flea wrote in liner notes accompanying the 2007 release, "The Essential Jaco Pastorius." "I love everything about him, I feel the depth of his joy and pain in every note I have ever heard him play. Obviously he changed the face of electric bass playing forever and a great poet would be needed to attempt to describe it, so I will just remain humbly awe stricken like everyone else." Pastorius was born in Pennsylvania, and his family moved to Florida shortly afterward. He graduated from Northeast High School in Oakland Park, a working-class community known for the train that intersects the city with a loud horn that Pastorius used in at least one recording. Pastorius started off as a drummer, but a wrist injury as a youth led him to the bass. The bass, along with the drums, keeps time and lays the foundation for jazz and rock musical compositions. After building a reputation as an innovator, he eventually performed in the 1970s with Blood, Sweat and Tears and Metheny, along with Weather Report, Mitchell and Hancock. Pastorius won a Grammy Award in 1979 for his work on "8:30" with Weather Report. However, the 1980s were a darker time for Pastorius, who began to display psychological problems and erratic behavior due to a bipolar disorder, while also allegedly using drugs. Those problems were manifest when he tried to get into a bar in Wilton Manors in September 1987. Pastorius and a bar employee got into a dispute, which ended in a vicious beating that sent Pastorius to a hospital, where he later died. The bar employee was later convicted of manslaughter but served only a few months in prison. Pastorius had four children in two marriages. Two of his children, Felix and Julius, are musicians who often perform in South Florida. After the death, Pastorius' story was not often told in Oakland Park, where many residents were oblivious to his life and accomplishments. It wasn't until this year, the 20th anniversary of his death, that a grass roots effort began gathering signatures for Jaco Pastorius Park. With his family behind a petition drive that gathered more than 1,000 signatures, commissioners unanimously decided in late November to name the park after their local hero, choosing to honor his career rather than ignore his story or dwell on his death's sad and tragic nature. Along with the park naming, a memorial jazz concert honoring Pastorius was held Dec. 2. Oakland Park Mayor Larry Gierer said he heard little public complaint about naming the park after a man whose late-life struggles are a prominent part of his story. "I did not hear any concerns, but I believe that Jaco Pastorius Park will help people remember the way he lived, not how he died," Gierer said. Officials hope to have the park at least operational by the end of September. Community and historical groups have pledged to help craft displays honoring Pastorius and bring special events to the park. Marcel Anton, a longtime music educator who lives in Sunny Isles but has taught in several cities around the country, was one of several people who spoke in support of the park at an earlier commission meeting. His 3-year-old son is named Jaco. "This man's work and his life, and who he was, represents a very positive element that youth can look at. The common good for the community is unbounded," Anton said. "There's not a bass program in the world that doesn't require for rite of passage and graduation some portion of this man's music." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:38:04 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan & New Year's (njc) > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection > > I have to admit though, I was a little disturbed by the band's name when I > found out where it came from. I'm not generally very conservative > but, I feel awkward now every time I say their name out loud. I just > happen to be a very visual person. > Mark, the people who know where the name came from are usually enlightened enough to not care when you mention it and those who might care probably have never heard of it before so it doesn't matter. To the latter group, you can just say "I don't know" if they ask what it means. > > Sorry to be off topic once again but,... > > What I don't get is the > significance of the ball dropping. Is this a reference to adolescent > boys or what? The countdown is obvious but, I don't understand the ball. > I think it's nothing more than an enhanced "count-down." > Can anyone enlighten me? > > Mark in Sydney > Happy New Year, Kenny B ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:59:29 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: ANSWER : JoniQuiz : FTR Banquet of Answers 1. a. A (so, Dylan Rush is still 16 or 17? Wow! Another new generation of Joni fan...) 2. d. Some turn to rambling round looking a clear sky This one is very tricky (as Patti pointed out) It should be Some turn to rambling round looking a clean sky 3. e. None above The guy at the gaspumps He's got a lot of soul He sings Merry Christmas for you Just like Nat King Cole 4. You and me Deep kisses And the sun going down OK. The keyword is the sun going down, and the grammar. In my head, the sun going down = the sun has not gone down = still in process = afternoon. So, c. afternoon Am I correct? 5. d. the summer Sometimes I get that feeling And I want to settle And raise a child up with somebody I get that strong longing And I want to settle And raise a child up with somebody But it passes like the summer I'm a wild seed again Let the wind carry me 6. False, C&S is about 36 minutes FTR is about 40 minutes 7. For very long 8. (3) (2) (5) (1) (4) 9. True. 05:20 (Suppose FTR is Jonis last helium-period album) ** additional note: shortly after posting the quiz, i had a feeling that i was not correct. Joni's last helium album should be MoA. (I know "Helium Album" sounds degrading. But i've got no other substitute) (For Patti : Nope, but lets see) 10. True. But i havent seen that. 11. d. Your solitary path 12. gravy, gristle, marrow bone, salty soup, cookie optional : sweeter fare 13. a. Or you're going to come later 14. False. YTMOIAR peaked @ #25 Free Man in Paris peaked @ #22 And BYT of MoA peaked @ #24 15. d. For The Roses Rian NP. Macy Gray ft. Erykah Badu  Sweet Baby Next : Im still working with that. Lately I'm a bit busy, 3 of my buddies married these days. (Yes, and they're JUST 21!!) PS. Correction on ShineQuiz: Thanks Jamie! A lot! PS. Patti, :-) PS. I love Erykah Badu's name. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:00:02 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re: goodbye NJC I was planning to leave the list at the end of the year so I'll use this penultimate day to resolve one misunderstanding. Rian wrote, and I quote: >>Mike, if you hate my posts, tell it to me. I really wish you didn't write your won't miss list. It's like telling everyone here "you know what? I REALLY hate this boy!" If you hate me, i'm okay with that. But you yelled it sweetly to everyone on the list. And that's a humiliation! Shine on you.<< Rian, I didn't say I hated your posts, and I didn't ask you to stop sending them (you have a perfect right to post and I have a perfect right not to read your, or anyone else's posts). I said I would not miss quizzes (and I stand by that); I did not 'yell anything sweetly' to the list, and I definitely did not say "I REALLY hate this boy". You, in contrast, sent me three identical posts with these false remarks, and in language (or using keyboard characters) that cannot be used on the list as they produce gobbledegook, just look at the mess in your post. My main problem is with another poster, not you, but that problem is my problem and I have decided to leave the list rather than to ask anyone to modify their behaviour. Don't take it personally, it's not about you. I wish you well. I also understand that it is frustrating to communicate in your third language. I have lived away from my homeland for 17 years and spend most of my time talking in my third language. I salute your efforts in English, although I could have lived perfectly well without knowing about how some people eat dogs, for example. Best, mike in barcelona np Attika - Ouli Magala ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 09:31:41 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: For the Roses quiz You're getting in deep Rian! You are not taking into account the pedal point bass notes under these chords. Dave B (guitar teacher) On Dec 30, 2007, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > 1. Guitar chord > > If you're [D] driving into town > > With a [A] dark cloud above you > > [G] Dial in the number > > Who's [??] bound to love you > a. A > b. B > c. C > d. D > e. E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:50:56 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Down To You Joni said, >> It all comes down >> >> to you >> At work, I've heard people say "it comes down to this." For example, "The customer's account has dozens of invoices. I ran the numbers and it comes down to this- they never paid us for any of it." Catherine said in part, >I'm sure it was a deliberate choice, because Joni chooses her words carefully. "Down" has that negative connotation to it. The song itself is a bit of a "downer" and it's all about sinking into the dregs, picking up someone that's not up to your "usual standards" because you're a bit desperate and have had a few drinks too many. All in all, rather depressing and sordid and brilliantly done.> Agreed. Well said. It's one of those lyrics that seems difficult or strange at first. Her words reward repeated listenings, as we all know. There are interesting melodic and back-vocal things happening on the words, "to you". It sounds like a revelation revealed. The melody and production support the words. Every detail supports the whole; it's just like they said in Lit class. It scrambles time and season, if it gets through to you, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:58:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection Great post. Thanks. Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:11:54 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn >Joni and Steely Dan circa 1974-77 are connected in many ways. >Sidemen: >Chords: >Lyrics: >Sound: ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:42:50 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: re: goodbye NJC {{O God! This is so embarrasing! I sent a message only to Mike (offlist), and he sent it back to the list! Very nice! This massage was actually written only for him, but since he sent the topic back to the list, i'm gonna send this message to the list too}}} So, you think i do this : write an email send it send it again and send it again ? i olny send my emails ONCE. For God's sake! i am not a barbarian! probably you didn't read my post titled An Apology. On that post i ask for everyone's forgiveness for all multiple posts received. You know, someone stole my notebook. And ever since, i've been using my old cellphone to communicate (incl writing emails). And that's why you received all those triple posts. So, i never intend to send 3 emails at once. Can you accept that explanation? I know you didn't write you hate my post or hate me, but your won't-miss-list, simply suggested that. <<>> not about me? quizzes? me multiple posts? me extra not funny? me. i know you pointed my old post about eating dog. so, it's not about me? <<>> You wrote won't miss list. People can see that most categories on your won'tmiss is all about my posts. Multiple posting is a bad thing. Not funny articles are bad things. My posts are all bad. Saying "i won't miss your post" is VERY not right and can be SO OFFENSIVE and is an effective way of expressing dislike. You don't like my posts? That's fine. I'm fine with that. Really really fine with that. I never ask anyone to love it. But did you really have to point that to the list? Did you really have to express your disliking-my-posts to everyone? Saying "i don;t like this" to the one that you don;t like is acceptable. But saying that in front of everyone is a kind of humiliation. Mike, I don;t know how long you've been on the list. But you've just ended it beautifully : make people feel humiliated. And that's a very good memory to remember Mike. Very good memory. Rian - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:47:19 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: For the Roses quiz : guitar Yup. My fault. I am a very very beginner in guitar. I don't even understand "the pedal point bass notes under these chords" (is that english?) I picked that chord from JMDL guitar tab section. Well, Thank you so much, Dave! Rian NP. nothing. it's 2 AM already. Dave Blackburn wrote: You're getting in deep Rian! You are not taking into account the pedal point bass notes under these chords. Dave B (guitar teacher) - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:22:40 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Goodbye NJC I owe Rian an apology. He sent me a post offlist and I failed to notice that. I am sorry about that. I did it unintentionally and ask his forgiveness. Nevertheless, I intend to answer SOME of his points here (not all, I am not going to 'Fisk' it - see Wikipedia) before trying to draw a veil over the whole matter. Rian said: >>O God! This is so embarrasing! I sent a message only to Mike (offlist), and he sent it back to the list! Very nice! This massage was actually written only for him, but since he sent the topic back to the list, i'm gonna send this message to the list too<< 'Revenge' is not a good motive for mailing, in my opinion. >>So, you think i do this : write an email send it send it again and send it again i olny send my emails ONCE. For God's sake! i am not a barbarian!<< I do not know what you do but I DO know that I received the same thing three times (and the list receives some posts of yours three times). If you are aware that this is happening, please try to take steps to prevent it happening all the time. Not for me, for everyone. >>probably you didn't read my post titled An Apology. On that post i ask for everyone's forgiveness for all multiple posts received. You know, someone stole my notebook. And ever since, i've been using my old cellphone to communicate (incl writing emails). And that's why you received all those triple posts. So, i never intend to send 3 emails at once. Can you accept that explanation?<< Yes, I read your post entitled 'An Apology'. I understood why that happened and forgave you for your multiple posts but you have continued to use the same way of communication knowing the effect it has on the posts. I am sorry your notebook was stolen, but if you know that we all (sometimes) receive your posts three times and you continue to send them in the same way knowing they are repeated, how can you say that you do not intend to send them? Mike wrote: "Don't take it personally, it's not about you." Rian said >>not about me? quizzes? me multiple posts? me extra not funny? me. i know you pointed my old post about eating dog. so, it's not about me?<< Quizzes - yes, about you. Multiple posts - not only about you, other people too. Extra not funny - not about you at all. I am thinking of another person entirely. Eating dog - yes, about you. So, some things about you and some things not about you. All in all, my reason for unsubbing is not about ONLY you, it's also about other things not related to you and some things related to you. More about other things than you, really. <<>> You wrote won't miss list. People can see that most categories on your won't miss is all about my posts. Multiple posting is a bad thing. Not funny articles are bad things. My posts are all bad.<< I have dealt with this above. You are misreading my mail. >>Saying "i won't miss your post" is VERY not right and can be SO OFFENSIVE and is an effective way of expressing dislike.<< Yes, an effective way of expressing 'dislike'. Do I not have a right to say what I dislike? I didn't tell you to stop doing what you are doing, I was saying that I didn't like it and this was PARTLY responsible for my taking a break from the list. I repeat that I never said anything about hating you or your posts. Disliking or not missing things is another matter. >>You don't like my posts? That's fine. I'm fine with that. Really really fine with that. I never ask anyone to love it. But did you really have to point that to the list? Did you really have to express your disliking-my-posts to everyone?<< I have apologised above for this but have no problem with doing so again here. It was careless of me to do this and I apologise. >>Saying "i don;t like this" to the one that you don;t like is acceptable. But saying that in front of everyone is a kind of humiliation. Mike, I don;t know how long you've been on the list. But you've just ended it beautifully : make people feel humiliated. And that's a very good memory to remember Mike. Very good memory.<< I don't know how long I've been on the list, more than a few years. I hope you enjoy your time here as much as I've enjoyed mine. mike in barcelona np Nick Cave - Oh Children ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:25:56 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Steely Dan & New Year's (njc) On 31/12/2007, at 3:38 AM, PassScribe@aol.com wrote: > >> From: Mark-Leon Thorne >> Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection >> >> I have to admit though, I was a little disturbed by the band's >> name when I >> found out where it came from. I'm not generally very conservative >> but, I feel awkward now every time I say their name out loud. I just >> happen to be a very visual person. > > Mark, the people who know where the name came from are usually > enlightened enough to not care when you mention it and those who > might care probably have never heard of it before so it doesn't > matter. To the latter group, you can just say "I don't know" if > they ask what it means. It's not a huge issue. I am open minded. It just makes me blush a little but, I will tell people if they want to know. I can't bring myself to lie about it though. I won't say I don't know something if in fact I do. If I really don't want to discuss something, I would rather just say, I'd rather not discuss it. To each their own but, I try to avoid lying whenever possible. > >> >> Sorry to be off topic once again but,... > >> What I don't get is the >> significance of the ball dropping. Is this a reference to adolescent >> boys or what? The countdown is obvious but, I don't understand the >> ball. > > I think it's nothing more than an enhanced "count-down." > >> Can anyone enlighten me? >> >> Mark in Sydney > > Happy New Year, > Kenny B > > > > > > ************************************** > See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes? > NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:36:04 -0500 From: "Vince Lavieri" Subject: Re: Goodbye NJC Mike, Happy New Year, old friend. I so seldom post and skim the posts that are but something from you saying "goodbye" catches my eye. Mike, you've been here for a long time. We have seen many problems arise between people. I've been in my share. You are too important to the List to leave. A lot, all of us are, on whatever level, but Mike you are a good guy. Need a break, do what I do - just read and not post. And when you are ready start posting again. But do not leave. That never does any good and you'll miss it more than you think. Just be a lurker until the time is good for you old chum. Vince On Dec 30, 2007 3:22 PM, mike pritchard wrote: > I owe Rian an apology. He sent me a post offlist and I failed to notice > that. > I am sorry about that. I did it unintentionally and ask his forgiveness. > Nevertheless, I intend to answer SOME of his points here (not all, I am > not > going to 'Fisk' it - see Wikipedia) before trying to draw a veil over the > whole matter. > > Rian said: > >>O God! > This is so embarrasing! > I sent a message only to Mike (offlist), and he sent it back to the list! > Very > nice! > This massage was actually written only for him, but since he sent the > topic > back to the list, i'm gonna send this message to the list too<< > > 'Revenge' is not a good motive for mailing, in my opinion. > > >>So, you think i do this : > write an email > send it > send it again > and send it again > i olny send my emails ONCE. > For God's sake! i am not a barbarian!<< > > I do not know what you do but I DO know that I received the same thing > three > times (and the list receives some posts of yours three times). If you are > aware that this is happening, please try to take steps to prevent it > happening > all the time. Not for me, for everyone. > > >>probably you didn't read my post titled An Apology. On that post i ask > for > everyone's forgiveness for all multiple posts received. You know, someone > stole my notebook. And ever since, i've been using my old cellphone to > communicate (incl writing emails). And that's why you received all those > triple posts. So, i never intend to send 3 emails at once. > Can you accept that explanation?<< > > Yes, I read your post entitled 'An Apology'. I understood why that > happened > and forgave you for your multiple posts but you have continued to use the > same > way of communication knowing the effect it has on the posts. I am sorry > your > notebook was stolen, but if you know that we all (sometimes) receive your > posts three times and you continue to send them in the same way knowing > they > are repeated, how can you say that you do not intend to send them? > > Mike wrote: > "Don't take it personally, it's not about you." > > Rian said > >>not about me? > quizzes? me > multiple posts? me > extra not funny? me. i know you pointed my old post about eating dog. > so, it's not about me?<< > > Quizzes - yes, about you. > Multiple posts - not only about you, other people too. > Extra not funny - not about you at all. I am thinking of another person > entirely. > Eating dog - yes, about you. > So, some things about you and some things not about you. All in all, my > reason > for unsubbing is not about ONLY you, it's also about other things not > related > to you and some things related to you. More about other things than you, > really. > > <<>> > You wrote won't miss list. > People can see that most categories on your won't miss is all about my > posts. > Multiple posting is a bad thing. > Not funny articles are bad things. > My posts are all bad.<< > > I have dealt with this above. You are misreading my mail. > > >>Saying "i won't miss your post" is VERY not right and can be SO > OFFENSIVE > and is an effective way of expressing dislike.<< > > Yes, an effective way of expressing 'dislike'. Do I not have a right to > say > what I dislike? I didn't tell you to stop doing what you are doing, I was > saying that I didn't like it and this was PARTLY responsible for my taking > a > break from the list. I repeat that I never said anything about hating you > or > your posts. Disliking or not missing things is another matter. > > >>You don't like my posts? > That's fine. I'm fine with that. Really really fine with that. I never ask > anyone to love it. > But did you really have to point that to the list? Did you really have to > express your disliking-my-posts to everyone?<< > > I have apologised above for this but have no problem with doing so again > here. > It was careless of me to do this and I apologise. > > >>Saying "i don;t like this" to the one that you don;t like is acceptable. > But > saying that in front of everyone is a kind of humiliation. Mike, I don;t > know > how long you've been on the list. But you've just ended it beautifully : > make > people feel humiliated. > And that's a very good memory to remember Mike. Very good memory.<< > > I don't know how long I've been on the list, more than a few years. I hope > you > enjoy your time here as much as I've enjoyed mine. > > mike in barcelona > np Nick Cave - Oh Children ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:00:23 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: My Goodbye, NJC Dear all, All these dramas and humiliation that someone brought to the list really made me feel bad and enough to make me decide to take a break from the list. Maybe quit the list or just be a lurker for a while, I haven't decided which. I really enjoy my last 3 months with you all. Thanks for your acceptance and all those great talks and helps. If i ever hurt your feeling, please accept this apology. Thank you very much. Rian PS. This is not a permanent goodbye i guess, JMDL is too great. PS. Happy New Year. Wish you all have a wonderful 2008. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:15:30 -0600 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: RE: My Goodbye, NJC/Goodbye, NJC Frustrations run high and tempers flare more easily around the end of the year, it seems. For me, at least, both Thanksgiving and Christmas are stress-filled events that just serve to remind me how my life is so very different from what the media (and Norman Rockwell) has portrayed as perfection. Please - both of you - just sit with this and wait, and see how things feel in a few days. You both offer so much to this community, in completely different ways. I'd be sad if you weren't here. Hugs - c _________________________________________________________________ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:27:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list And Itunes has it with I Had A King & Harlem In Havana - so if all of these tracks had been properly released, it WOULD have been a double CD, so you're off the hook. Yep, it came out about the same time as T'log and is much more enjoyable to me anyway - all instrumentals. The only cover of Lakota to date. Bob NP: Macy Gray, "Still" - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:27:44 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: New Years Eve 1976???.... If my new years eve is going to be low key, which sometimes I like it to be, (imho)there's no better album to listen to than Hejira...So tonight..while I am alone, before tomorrow's wonderful craziness with Leo and my friends and their respective husbands, I decided to have my own little pre new years eve with only Joni as company..and Hejira is really a perfect fit...It always makes me think deeply ya know meaning of life kind of stuff and that somehow lead to me wondering what New Years Eve was like in 1976...I mean Hejira was released in November so it would still be a new release..It took me a while(years even) to digest this masterpiece and I am still learning from it as I listen while typing this..What I am getting at(slowly but surely) is..do any of you have a story about Hejira on new years eve 1976?? Or better yet anyone have a new years story about any joni album..Either way I want to wish my fellow joniphiles a very healthy happy new year.. Kev xoxo - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #519 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------