From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #517 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 29 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 517 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A mass murder mystery history [Eric Taylor ] Re: Mrs. Dalloway, NJC ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Steely Dan Connection [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Maggie, Terre and Suzzy Roche...and Lucy- NJC ["Gordon MacKie" ] history of the dropping ball (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Maggie, Terre and Suzzy Roche...and Lucy- NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: sjc 10 best list NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: JoniQuiz Pt. 8 : For The Roses [Catherine McKay ] Re: New Year's Eve and njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: Maggie, Terre and Suzzy Roche...and Lucy- NJC [Cindy Vickery ] Re: New Year's Eve and njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: New Year's Eve and njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: Steely Dan Connection [J Kendel Johnson ] JoniQuiz Pt. 8 : For The Roses [Patti Parlette ] Re: best of 2007 sjc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: sjc 10 best list [Bob Muller ] Making fun of President Clinton, part CXVII, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: sjc 10 best list ["Randy Remote" ] Re: sjc 10 best list ["Randy Remote" ] sjc 10 best list ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: SV: SV: Joni's exit not to be thankfully [Monika Bogdanowicz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 03:03:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: A mass murder mystery history What can i possibly add to the total disgust the whole world feels over yet another assassination in the name of some stupid god? All we need is yet another conspiracy theory to distract us from what is really going on here people! The testosterone reaks to high heaven!!!!!!!!!! There is something SERIOUSLY wrong with monothiestic men as repeatedly demonstrated by human history. PLEASE GOD let them all be "raptured" off this holy earth so that we "infidels" might enjoy the paridise that our planet was meant to be? Running out of hope (which is exactly what the oil warlords bank on to maintain their grand illusion). O people we are in deep shit! But somehow i still have hope that there is a much greater future unseen by the vast majority. ET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:15:28 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Mrs. Dalloway, NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rian Afriadi" > Monika! > > Mrs. Dalloway is a very good book. (Yesterday i discussed the book > with Mark Scott, offlist, and today you mentioned it, nice > coincidence!) I read the book last year, after watching The Hours. > > That book is a though book. Very difficult. Specially 4 me. (english > is my 3rd language). But i love how Virginia described things there. > Oh, what's that called? Stream of conciousness, right? Yes, Rian, Virginia Woolf's writing is often called stream of consciousness. Monika, I am very interested to find out what you think of Mrs. Dalloway. I love that book as I love most of Woolf's writing. Woolf passes the narrative from one character's thoughts to the next and then back again which I think is a fascinating way to write. And the language itself is beautiful - poetic in many places. Woolf's 'The Waves' is one of the most incredible things I've ever read. Not that I'm any great literary scholar. But the structure of 'The Waves' is amazing to me. It consists entirely of the inner voicings of 6 characters, beginning with the time when they are small children and living together at a boarding school. There is no 3rd person omniscient narrator and there are no transitions from one 'voice' to the next. There are periodic descriptions of the passing of a day on a seacoast, beginning with the sun rising over the ocean that more or less correspond with the various stages of the 6 character's lives - morning, mid-day, evening, etc. These passages are all beautifully written, richly descriptive. The final lines of 'The Waves' appear on a plaque underneath a bust of Woolf in the garden of Monk's House which was Leonard and Virgnia Woolf's country home in Sussex, England. Virginia's ashes were scattered on the property of Monk's House, so this is more or less her memorial. Oh, and from the biographies I have read and from reading Woolf's diaries, I have come to the conclusion that she was not much like the character that Nicole Kidman created in 'The Hours'. Mark E. in Seattle ps: If anyone is interested in seeing my pictures of Monk's House or Talland House in St. Ives, Cornwall (Virginia's family's summer home in her early childhood), write me offlist. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:40:26 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection Kenny, I totally agree with you. The song, Aja is a masterpiece. I wonder if Joni would agree. She obviously admires the song, Third World Man. I am just falling head over heels in love with Steely Dan. Reminiscent of the way I felt when I really listened to Joni. I have to admit though, I was a little disturbed by the band's name when I found out where it came from. I'm not generally very conservative but, I feel awkward now every time I say their name out loud. I just happen to be a very visual person. Sorry to be off topic once again but, I am dying to ask the Americans on the list about this New Year's tradition from Times Square in New York. I know of Dick Clarke from American Bandstand (didn't he also host Miss America or something?). What I don't get is the significance of the ball dropping. Is this a reference to adolescent boys or what? The countdown is obvious but, I don't understand the ball. We just do about a billion dollars worth of fireworks over the harbour and, since 2000, put a 3 storey lighted symbol on the Sydney Harbour Bridge with some significance to the previous or following year. Can anyone enlighten me? Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:44:23 -0000 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: Maggie, Terre and Suzzy Roche...and Lucy- NJC Ciao Listas Talk of the Roches reminds me there are good videos on Youtube worth watching. Moonswept is a return to their roots. I love 'No Shoes' - and 'Jesus Shaves' but apparently neither is written by the group. The song 'Long Before' penned by Suzzy's (and Loudon Wainwright ) daughter Lucy, is a great song and she has a fine voice. Er..that's it. Last post probably till the New Year so happy 2008 in advance. If any of you are in Rome (Italy) at the start of the year, I'll be there and always glad to meet up with folks...even for a coffee. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:35:38 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection From an interview with Cameron Crowe published in Rolling Stone in 1979: 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns is a suburban album. About the time that album came around I thought, "I'm not going to be your sin eater any longer." So I began to write social description as opposed to personal confession. I met with a tremendous amount of resentment....(snip).... It was my second year in office. The cartoonists had their fun. There weren't enough good jokes left, so it was time to throw me out of office and get a new president. It's politics.' It sounds like it surprised you when it actually happened. 'It really surprised me. In retrospect, it doesn't surprise me at all. I listened to that album recently, 'cause I was going to rework "Edith and the Kingpin." I was surprised. I feel that the times have caught up with it. At that time, I was beginning to introduce - for lack of a better wordjazz overtones. Nobody was really doing that. In the two years that followed, it became more acceptable, and when Steely Dan finally made Aja, with some of the same sidemen, it was applauded as a great, if somewhat eccentric, work. I fail even to see the eccentricity of it, myself. Perhaps there was a weary tone in my voice that irritated people, but there was so much of it that was accessible.' ................................................................................................................................................ This has always sounded to me like Joni was saying that HOSL was a work before its time and that she didn't receive the proper validation for it until Steely Dan released Aja. You can see that her attitude about how her music was being received was already pretty ripe way back then. She did this interview about the time of the release of 'Mingus' and she purposely asked for Cameron Crowe to do the interview. My impression was that she was trying to get some supportive press for 'Mingus' and was already anticipating, at best, a mixed reception for it. I have never been a fan of the Dan. Their music is just too slick and perversely obtuse for me. It just feels kind of calculated, somehow. I think you were dead right, Em. Joni has much more of an organic, spontaneity to her music. I have never felt there would be any great work produced by Joni collaborating with Becker and Fagan. But then again, my favorite Rickie Lee Jones album is 'Flying Cowboys'. Produced by none other than Walter Becker. So go figure. I wonder if her re-working of Edith and the Kingpin is what we heard on Shadows and Light? Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:58:40 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: history of the dropping ball (njc) On Dec 29, 2007, at 4:40 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > Sorry to be off topic once again but, I am dying to ask the > Americans on the list about this New Year's tradition from Times > Square in New York. I know of Dick Clarke from American Bandstand > (didn't he also host Miss America or something?). What I don't get > is the significance of the ball dropping. Is this a reference to > adolescent boys or what? The countdown is obvious but, I don't > understand the ball. About "Time-Balls" The actual notion of a ball "dropping" to signal the passage of time dates back long before New Year's Eve was ever celebrated in Times Square. The first "time-ball" was installed atop England's Royal Observatory at Greenwich in 1833. This ball would drop at one o'clock every afternoon, allowing the captains of nearby ships to precisely set their chronometers (a vital navigational instrument). Around 150 public time-balls are believed to have been installed around the world after the success at Greenwich, though few survive and still work. The tradition is carried on today in places like the United States Naval Observatory in Washington, DC, where a time-ball descends from a flagpole at noon each day - and of course, once a year in Times Square, where it marks the stroke of midnight not for a few ships' captains, but for over one billion people watching worldwide. http://www.timessquarenyc.org/nye/nye_ball.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:13:34 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You I'm listening Down To You again and again, waiting for inspirations to write another Joni Quiz. Then i realized, i don't understand what "down to you" is. Down is a word with too many meanings. Help me. Rian. PS: the word "go down" on the song You Oughta Know on my old Jagged Little Pill CD was bleeped. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:05:14 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: ANSWER : JoniQuiz Pt. 7 : Shine Surely Two Grey Rooms was written on piano in 1982 (or so Joni says when it was known as 'Wordless' or something like that)... what about Man From Mars? Not To Blame? LOVING THESE QUIZZES!!!! Much Joni and Much Jotmas Jamie Zooby On 29/12/2007, Rian Afriadi wrote: > The Answers!!! > > 10. False! > Chronologically, One Week Last Summer is the first piano-led song since Two Grey Rooms. > ( That night the piano beckoned for the first time in ten years ) > > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:12:47 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: best of 2007 sjc In no particular order... 1. Mark Knopfler-Kill to Get Crimson 2 .Rush- Snakes and Arrows 3. Wilco-Sky Blue Sky 4. Joni Mitchell- Shine 5. Neil Young- Live at Massey Hall 6. Alicia Keys- As I Am 7. Bruce Springsteen- Magic 8. Norah Jones- Not Too Late 9. Allison Krauss and Robert Plant - Raising Sand 10. James Taylor - One Man Band Victor NP: Neutral Milk Hotel - Holland, 1945 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:15:35 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Maggie, Terre and Suzzy Roche...and Lucy- NJC The Roches turned in beautiful, BEAUTIFUL cover of The Band's "Acadian Driftwood" on the tribute CD released earlier this year - a mixed batch to be sure, but this track blew me away. AD is my favorite Band song anyway, and their harmonies rule. Bob - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:19:35 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You I've always heard it as another way of saying "it's up to you", it's your decision, it's the consequnces of YOUR behavior, etc. Since she segments it out of "it all comes down to you", she just leaves the down in there which is more appropriate since most of what is going on is a downer. My take. Bob - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:24:41 -0800 (PST) From: Karma yeshe Dorje Subject: sd never made you cry? Callme an assuming ass ,but it seems to me that I alwayse cried after deacon blues when I reached 36.Also'rickydon't lose that number because I knw ricky was a girl and the song spole to my endless sadness.Nevertheless,BLUE FOR EXAMPLE BY JONI,is a life changingevent.I was stunned into silence way before I thought of milking it for my need to cry in forlorn sadness.One of thereasons I alwayse liked joni is she speaks to subjects more than personal issues though i know there in there.Joni writes about events and demonstrates her take on it.Briefly;Once doctors clucked over me and it was an interview with joni where she address the issue of mentaly and emotional suffering at timeinour lives,proclaiming it 'shamanicconversion'.Joni'smention ofthis was what I needed to hear.This was instrumental in my learning tolove myself.Ricky don't lose that number will alwayse haunt me with regret.Joni alwayse gave me hope,enen at eight years old. SIGNED SINCERELY...............NOBODY ASKED ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STILL...........joni rocks!!!!!! ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list NJC Great list, Mr. Remote - I am still mulling mine over and will get it out in the next couple of days. As for this: You are correct, I did not buy it - but I do have it. (Ooh, shame on me, taking the food out of the mouths of The Eagles and the Wal-Mart executives) And it falls into the 90% double-album rule which states that 90% of all double albums would have been great single albums. Besides the opening stellar harmony track, Disc 1 is horrid. Predictable melodies, utterly banal lyrics ("guilty of the crime of lovin' you baby" ?? Say it ain't so, Joe). The good news is that they totally redeem themselves on Disc 2 which I enjoy from start to finish. As a double, it gets a C - as a single it would have been a masterpiece. Bob - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:27:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JoniQuiz Pt. 8 : For The Roses - --- Rian Afriadi wrote: > <> > < the list>> > I remember Dylan Rush. He was one of the very young people on the list. I think he was about 14 at the time he was on and that was maybe a year or two ago. I think he was Australian, but I could be wrong on that point. I do remember that he was quite young and very smart. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking for a X-Mas gift? 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Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:47:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Year's Eve and njc - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > I know of Dick Clarke from American Bandstand > (didn't he also > host Miss America or something?). Is Dick Clarke still alive? (would it matter? he was embalmed many years ago.) They do fireworks and a music thing at Toronto City Hall. I may just go up on the roof to watch, and avoid the crowds. It depends on how cold it is! Otherwise, it's movies at home and probably Chinese food. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:25:00 -0600 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: RE: Maggie, Terre and Suzzy Roche...and Lucy- NJC Lucy Wainwright Roche is amazing. I've seen her here in NY a few times, and she has incredible stage presence, while still appearing very sweet and unassuming (a la our own Jenny Goodspeed, Claudia San Soucie - you know the type). I talked to her a little bit - she's a sweetheart. Her voice is so *clear* it'll blow you away, but yet strong enough to play the club unamplified. Go listen at myspace.com/lwrlwr. Oh, and Em (and you other Rich Shindell fans) - she does a GREAT cover of "Next Best Western" on her disc, "8 Songs." cindy Gordon wrote: <> _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:23:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You - --- Rian Afriadi wrote: > I'm listening Down To You again and again, > waiting for inspirations to write another Joni Quiz. > > Then i realized, i don't understand what > "down to you" is. Down is a word with too > many meanings. > > Help me. > More often people say "it's up to you" (meaning, you need to make a choice.) Sometimes they say "It's down to you." I have no idea whether that's a regional thing or a generational thing or whatever. I'm not sure I had ever heard "down to you" rather than "up to you" before this song and yet I understood what it meant anyway. I'm sure it was a deliberate choice, because Joni chooses her words carefully. "Down" has that negative connotation to it. The song itself is a bit of a "downer" and it all about sinking into the dregs, picking up someone that's not up to your "usual standards" because you're a bit desperate and have had a few drinks too many. All in all, rather depressing and sordid and brilliantly done. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:31:12 -0500 (EST) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: Maggie, Terre and Suzzy Roche...and Lucy- NJC > Bob, > > Delurking to tell you aout Lucy's CD 8 Songs. Wonderful. Saw her open for > Mary Gauthier. Great show, Lucy was wonderful. Tye approach of her > mother (Suzzy) and her fauther Loudon Wainwright III. And, Mary was > phenomenal as well. Saw Mary early in her rise at a small venue for ten dollars. She is great, and wins the Tennessee Williams' prize for one of the best song title ever: Drag Queens and Limousines. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:33:00 -0500 (EST) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: RE: Maggie, Terre and Suzzy Roche...and Lucy- NJC > Lucy Wainwright Roche is amazing. I've seen her here in NY a few times, > and she has incredible stage presence, while still appearing very sweet > and unassuming (a la our own Jenny Goodspeed, Claudia San Soucie - you > know the type). I talked to her a little bit - she's a sweetheart. > Her voice is so *clear* it'll blow you away, but yet strong enough to play > the club unamplified. I got to meet Lucy outside of Carnegie Hall at Rufus' concert. Shw was very sweet and unassuming. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:11:54 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection Joni and Steely Dan circa 1974-77 are connected in many ways. Sidemen: 1/ Larry Carlton 2/ Wayne Shorter 3/ Tom Scott 4/ Victor Feldman 5/ Chuck Findley and there may be more...those were off the top of my head... Chords: They both make extensive use of a very distinctive chord called the major 9 no 3rd, better visualized as a V triad over a 1 root (G with a C bass). Down to You and Blue feature this very hip chord in JM's piano writing while the song Josie exemplifies SD's use of it. It has a really early 70's L.A sound and links these two artists conceptually in location and time. Other chord use similarities include parallel minor 7th chord movement, the major add 9 chord. Both extend the pop song form to allow for extended excursions into other musical territory (Aja, Down to You, Car on a Hill, Paprika Plains). Lyrics: Both JM and the SD writers explore rich imagery of ennui, faded hipsters, burned out showbiz types and more and use literary "poetic" language. Sound: C&S and Aja have avery similar production styles and sound, partly due to the players involved and partly due to the west coast studio techniques of the time: padded drum booths, swimmy Fender Rhodes beds, atmospheric lead guitar fills by Larry Carlton, background horn sections, modest use of reverb, unaggressive bottom end to the mix. Dave B (donning the tux Monday night to play Bad Leroy Brown and Proud Mary for old folks who think they're really rockin' now...) Happy New year everyone! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:14:03 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: New Year's Eve and njc I'll be rockin' in the New Year again with Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes at the Count Basie Thertre in lovely downtown Red Bank, NJ. The show will be broadcast live on _http://www.sirius.com/estreetradio_ (http://www.sirius.com/estreetradio) also the Big news... Southside Johnny Lyon's annual New Year's Eve show at the Count Basie Theatre is a prelude to a busy 2008 for one of Ocean Grove's most colorful residents. Lyon, who claims to enjoy gardening in his boxer shorts, will finally release a sonic tribute to his pal Tom Waits. "Grapefruit Moon," a long-awaited collection of Waits covers delivered as big band numbers, will see the light of day in 2008. "I was talking about the album with you at this time last year, but it's finally going to come out," Lyon said. "It'll be out by hook or crook. It'll either be out with a label or I'll put it out by myself." Lyon promises something different. "I want everyone to hear these songs. They're not what you might expect. It's not like (Frank) Sinatra or Count Basie's Big Band. I have a mambo on there and there's a brass choir. It's a little different for me but I think that's a good thing." The disc, primarily composed of lighter, more romantic Waits tunes, was arranged by longtime Asbury Juke Richie "La Bamba" Rosenberg." "I just let Richie go crazy with the arrangements," Lyon said. "There are 15 horn players and La Bamba dealt with that." Two of the included tracks are "Yesterday Is Here" and "Walk Away." The reclusive Waits even added vocals for the project. "I went out to the boonies in Northern California for him so he could be part of this," Lyon said. "It's always fun with Tom. I've known him for about 25 years. Our relationship is typical of those in this industry. You see (recording artists) every couple of years. You have some good conversations. But this turned into something else." Don't count on Waits to ever join the playful Lyon onstage. "You can't even get him to New York for shows promoting his own albums," Lyon said. "I can't imagine that changing." Lyon and his Jukes will play many of the "Grapefruit Moon" tracks Monday night at their annual New Year's Eve show in Red Bank. "We'll do those songs, but it'll be much more than that," Lyon said. "Mark Pender will open and he's always insane onstage. I'll join him and he'll join us onstage. There will be old Jukes. Bobby (Bandiera) will be there and so will La Bamba. The New Year's shows at the Basie are always like old-home week for me. It'll be loose and fun and when you toss in all of the personalities that'll be onstage, it'll be a very combustible evening in Red Bank." That's quite a contrast to Lyon's serene daily existence in Ocean Grove. "I've really enjoyed being back living in Ocean Grove the last few years," Lyon said. "After living in some other places like Delaware and Tennessee, it's comfortable being here. The neighbors are nice and they don't bother me, which is good, because I'm not much for small talk." Gary U.S. Bonds, who loves to share the stage with Lyon, laughed at Southside's low-key life south of Asbury Park. "I guess Southside just does all of his talking onstage," Bonds said. "We all know he can't keep his mouth shut onstage." **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:59:29 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: New Year's Eve and njc I still remember one of my favorite New Year's Eve, which was when it became the year 2000. On the TV, they would broadcast the different time zones from the world. You could see how different cities celebrated. It was also cool reading the different posts from jmdlers from all over. Hell in NZ was the first on the list to see 2000. In case this is my last post of the year, HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone. I hope 2008 will be a wonderful year for each of you and your families. Jimmy ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:20:09 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You How right you are, Catherine. There is a difference, though subtle. Up to you involves the choice. But "down to you" adds a time element to the choice, sort of a now or never connotation. The choice needs to be made now, or I'll make it for you. Joni, ever the genius. Jerry Catherine McKay wrote: > I'm sure it was a deliberate choice, because Joni > chooses her words carefully. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:43:49 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: jmld. Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Down To You From: "Bob Muller" <<< I've always heard it as another way of saying "it's up to you", it's your decision, it's the consequnces of YOUR behavior, etc. Since she segments it out of "it all comes down to you", she just leaves the down in there which is more appropriate since most of what is going on is a downer. >>> Interesting take, Bob. For me, "it's up to you" implies that the decision could be made by more than one party for example - "Which movie would you like to see tonight?" "Oh, I don't know, it's up to you" either of the persons in the conversation could make a choice. In "Down To You", I find the lyrics intensely lead to the conclusion that eventually you are alone and "down to you" doesn't necessarily mean making a choice of any kind it simply means that you can't rely on anyone other than yourself... in the end it's YOU who makes the difference in your own life. Yes, choices are made which affect your life, such as the "strange new flesh" you picked up to satisfy your craving for warmth and beauty but once gone, the reality hits more deeply home that you're alone again. Your mileage may vary but when I was recovering from my stroke it was one song which really helped me realize nobody was going to pick me up out of that bed and make me walk, I had to work at it and only *I* could do it. By process of elimination It really was down to me and only me to change the outcome. Cassy NP: Mellencamp - Paper in Fire Live NH 12-6-2007 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:59:05 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Down To You - --- Catherine wrote: > More often people say "it's up to you" (meaning, you > need to make a choice.) Sometimes they say "It's > down > to you." - --- And Bob wrote: > I've always heard it as another way of saying "it's up to you", it's your decision, it's the consequnces of YOUR behavior, etc. And I say: I don't think it has anything to do with "up to you," guys. To me, the phrase "(it all comes) down to ___" always seems to be used in the context of simplifying a decision, as in, "It all comes down to this: you love me or you don't," or "Whether or not you love me all comes down to you and whatever you decide." That's how it is in my world, anyway. - --SoB NPIMH: Brian Wilson's "Love and Mercy" performed by the boys' choir Libera at the Kennedy Center Honors broadcast earlier this week http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcqvknM6vFI&feature=related ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:33:51 -0800 (PST) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection Dave Blackburn wrote: Joni and Steely Dan circa 1974-77 are connected in many ways. When Aja came out, I seem to recall reading in the music press about some (at least suspected) references to Joni in the album's lyrics. Googling has not turned up anything to confirm this for me so far, but I got to reading the "Steely Dan Connection" dialogue and realized I've had this in my head since shortly after the album's release. Is anyone able to confirm Joni references in Aja's lyrics? Have a just hallucinated this? (Hey, it WAS the 70s!) J ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:58:13 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: JoniQuiz Pt. 8 : For The Roses Uh oh! Rian has called me to the front of the class. Merde, alors! I feel like I'm back in French phonetique class in Rouen, France (circa MOA) and, having artfully dodged mean old Madame Triantafalou all semester (hiding in the back of the classroom), she finallement notices me and points a bony finger at me and beckons me to the blackboard: "Aha! Mademoiselle Parlette, ma petite coquette: Venez! Venez!" I gulp and straighten my kick pleat skirt and head to the front of the class, to face the humiliation my classmates have endured all semester. Last chance lost. Now the trials are trumpet scored, oh will I pass the test? 1. Guitar chord If you're [D] driving into town With a [A] dark cloud above you [G] Dial in the number Who's [??] bound to love you a. A b. B c. C d. D e. E <> <> Merde! I'm not a musician. (Psssst to the back of the class: Victor, Dave, RR, Jenny -- someJonibody HELP ME!) 2. Which "some" is not mentioned on Banquet? a. Some watch their kids grow up b. Some watch the paint peel off c. Some turn to Jesus d. Some turn to rambling round looking a clear sky f. And some turn to heroin d. It's a *clean* sky. (Very tricky, Rian!) ; ) 3. Who sings Merry Christmas on the song Barangrill? a. Nat King Cole b. Bing Crosby c. Louis Armstrong d. Natalie Cole e. None above e. None of the above. It was the guy at the gas pumps who had a lot of soul, who sang Merry Christmas for you just *like* Nat King Cole. 4. When was "you" and "me" engaged in a deep kiss? a. morning b. midday c. afternoon d. early night e. midnight d. early night (with the sun going down). One of my favorite Joni fantasies. Ah, you know my needs, you sweet tumbleweed! ; ) 5. Sometimes I get that feeling / And I want to settle / And raise a child up with somebody / I get that strong longing / And I want to settle / And raise a child up with somebody / But it passes like .... a. the day b. the rain c. the spring d. the summer e. a train d. the summer (I'm a wild seed again, let the wind carry me...) 6. True or false : For The Roses has 12 songs but the time length is shorter than Court and Spark (which only contains 10 songs) Je ne sais pas! (I really don't know.) Wait, though. Hold on! Hold on! I have a fifty-fifty fire and ice chance here, right? Darn right. False (TIC! alarm). Final answer (TIC! me, my love): False. 7. She tapes her regrets To the microphone stand She says "You can't hold the hand Of a rock 'n' roll man (Very long) Or count on your plans With a rock 'n' roll man (Very long) Compete with the fans For your rock 'n' roll man (........) The girls and the bands and the rock 'n' roll man. 8. Arrange these: (from WOHAM) (1) queen of your dreams (2) lover (3) mother (4) silly girl (5) sister 3, 2 (another), 5, 1, 4 9. True or False : JOTMAS (LT) is Joni's longest Helium-Period song. (Suppose FTR is Joni's last helium-period album) (Joni's voice on C&S is already deep) (disagree? Make a new discussion : which album is Joni's last helium album?) (Lurkers : "helium album??? Whats that? Is that delicious?") True. (If I make a new discussion/essay question, do I get extra-credit, to compensate for not answering question #1?) 10. True or False : Joni was photographed nude for the artwork. True. 11. You're too raw / They think you're too raw / It's the judgement of the moon and stars / ... a. Think what you'd like to have b. All across the sky c. Draw yourself a bath d. Your solitary path e. Not even when you die d. 12. Mention all foods mentioned on the song Banquet! Umm......gravy, gristle, marrow bone, salty soup, cookie, gristle (again), marrow bone...(lobster pot doesn't count, does it? or sweeter fare?) 13. Which sentence is the last sentence of the song Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire? a. Or you're going to come later b. Fall into Lady Release c. Or you can come later d. Or if you come on later e. It's down, down, down the dark ladder a. 14. True or False : You Turn Me On I'm A Radio is Jonis second highest charting single, after Help Me. Ummm....(Psssst! Muller! Help Me!) False? What about BYT? Isn't that right up there? Okay, final answer: True. 15. It was just the arbutus rustling / And the bumping of the logs / And the moon swept down black water / Like an empty spotlight Which song contains above verse? a. See You Sometime b. Electricity c. Let The Wind Carry Me d. For The Roses e. Woman of Heart And Mind d. (I heard Joni tell a lovely story about this in August 1974 at Place des Nations in Montreal. She was wearing white jeans and an apricot-colored top. She was beautiful.) Pretty difficult, eh? I expect Patti get a high score. You know, she always quotes lines from this album. Phew! Test anxiety. How did I do? Please don't kick me out of JMU! At least me stay at sophomore jive year, okay? Merci, Rian! You had me back in my freshman dorm room in "The Jungle" (TIC! line) (actually North Campus) where I played just-released FTR over and over and over again, trying to drown out Lisa next door in Hurley 211 as she blasted Loggins and Messina (Hi Kate!) all weekend long. I can picture the album cover on my white Parson's table next to the Pfaltzgraf BLUE and white teapot, underneath the black and white poster of Joni smoking, next to the Indian print curtains with my BLUE Scholl sandals on the oriental rug. (We can only look, behind from where we came....) With heart and humor and humility (worrying -- I worry sometimes -- that my Ph.D just became an Associate's Degree), Patti P. NPOMTV: ESPN, UConn Huskies vs. Wake Forest in the Meineke Car (TIC! on a hill) Care Bowl....looking for my sons who took the refuge of the roads all the way to Charlotte. I had the urge for going (JT TIC! In my mind I'm going to Carolina) and inviting Joseph and Muller, but then decided to stay home. I'm not really a football fan. I mean, can you see JONI at a football game? Ha! WWJD? But I did get a good rise out of the boys when I told them I might go and invite two Joni people. They shake their heads, they tell me that I've changed. In any case, Go Huskies and Go Joni! _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 10:47:03 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: best of 2007 sjc From: "Victor Johnson" > 9. Allison Krauss and Robert Plant - Raising Sand I forgot to list that one-from what I've heard on the radio, they have a very fine blend-ala Knopfler/Harris' "Roadrunning", and some sturdy songs. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:52:57 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list But it's not a double - it's a single - ? Bob NP: My son and niece & nephew playing "Tom Sawyer" on Rock Band. - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:03:47 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Making fun of President Clinton, part CXVII, njc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AScoMhVZQnw Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:12:30 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: tom sawyer On Dec 29, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > > NP: My son and niece & nephew playing "Tom Sawyer" on Rock Band. 2007 Award for funniest intro to a song in a concert: http://video.aol.com/video-detail/rush-tom-sawyer-south-park-intro/ 2166608156 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:29:08 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list > "Long Road Out of Eden"> > it falls into the 90% double-album rule which states that 90% of all double albums would have been great single albums. Okay, next question (anyone) : Does Herbie's "River" fall under the 90% double-album rule? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:22:49 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list > under the 90% double-album rule?> > > But it's not a double - it's a single - ? > > Bob okay...uh....never mind....just makin' sure you're payin' attention... ahem... I see that Amazon has it with 2 bonus tracks: 11. All I Want featuring Sonya Kitchell (Exclusive Bonus Track) 12. A Case of You (Exclusive Bonus Track) Also hadn't heard of this but you probably have: Moon at the Window - Piano Impressions of Joni by Rachel Z (2002) http://www.amazon.com/Moon-Window-Piano-Impressions-Joni/dp/B00006K0B7/ref=cm_cr_pr_mention_t Also, newbies: as long as we're on the subject, jmdler and musician/jazz pianist extraordinaire David Lahm has released 2 CDs of high quality Joni music (and 8 years before Herbie got around to it : ) ) : ten bucks each! Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell http://www.amazon.com/Jazz-Takes-Joni-Mitchell-David/dp/B00000I8AY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1198969675&sr=1-1 More Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell http://www.amazon.com/More-Jazz-Takes-Joni-Mitchell/dp/B000059LCD/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1198969675&sr=1-3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:36:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: sjc 10 best list Rufus Wainwright - Rufus Does Judy at Carnegie Hall Rufus Wainwright - Release the Stars Bettye Lavette - Scene of the Crime Amy Winehouse - Back to Black Joni Mitchell - Shine Chaka Khan - Funk This Herbie Hancock - River: The Joni Letters Barbara Dickson - Nothing's Gonna Change My World Feist - Reminder Teddy Thompson - Up Front and Down Low Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:47:09 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: SV: SV: Joni's exit not to be thankfully Hmm, very interesting. Thank you for answering my question. I was not familiar with this novel. I could definitely see Joni being interested in something like that though. You're right. -Monika Marion Leffler wrote: Hi Monika, The Cleft is a novel about the origins of men and women and how they came to co-exist. Doris Lessing presumes that women were first and men came after, and at first there was a lot of animosity, they did not live together. It's a sort of legend. The "I" in the novel is an ageing Roman senator who spends his time writing history, trying to make sense of very ancient documents based on oral history. The Cleft is a name of a holy place as well as a name for women and also of what happened. It's hard to retell, you got to read it. What made me think that Joni might like this novel is that it would probably confirm her views of the nature of men and women (as expressed in her lyrics) and their troublesome attraction and relationship. Also, I felt their is a likeness in the way Doris Lessing and Joni write. Marion NR a book on school cultures, more as part of work than leisure. - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 28 december 2007 17:06 Till: Joni people!; Marion Leffler Dmne: Re: SV: Joni's exit not to be thankfully Hey there Marion. I decided to add the "NR" at the suggestion of the post, "lurk no more" that came from a librarian, Martha, on this list. She had wanted the "NR" and I thought it to be a swell idea... Now what makes you think The Cleft is a book Joni would appreciate? What was it about? I'm curious. As for Mrs. Dalloway, so far it's quite good. I'm not that far into it as I only just started reading it yesterday during lunch at work (and haven't read it since then but have the day off today and tomorrow so reading shall be one of my friends in my free time!). I like how it is written almost as a string of thoughts flowing endlessly. The writing, the wording, is very different. - -Monika - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------------------- Marion Leffler wrote: By the way, I like your addition of NR! Hope you have a good time with Mrs Dalloway. Let me add an RR (recently read): The Cleft - Doris Lessing. Somehow I think that is a book Joni would appreciate. Marion - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:48:43 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: speaking of Mrs. Dalloway NJC Yes, I know but thank you! It was an interesting film, wasn't it? I liked how it incorporated three different women in very similar circumstances. -Monika Kate Johnson wrote: Monica, Do you know that there is a movie, called The Hours and starring Meryl Streep, that incorporates Mrs Dalloway? Kate http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:59:05 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Mrs. Dalloway, NJC I will definitely let you know what I think of Mrs. Dalloway as soon as I finish it. I am taking it very slow as I work tomorrow and in my job (a radio station) there are specific tasks that you have to do at specific times while other times there is quite a bit of down time which just entails monitoring the stations (making sure they are on time and all spots/shows are in order and set to run on air). That being said, I always bring a book with me to work and read it during that down time, which is what I will be doing with Mrs. Dalloway tomorrow morning. So far, after reading just a little bit more, it still has my interest. I will say I wasn't expecting that jump from one character's thoughts to another and at first I thought I missed something but then realized the change and style. Quite interesting. I do love that the reader is in the head of the characters. Could you imagine if such a thing was possible in real life? Crazy it would be indeed! Thanks for the info on 'The Waves' and the info about Virginia Woolf's memorial. Before reading this book, I did a quick bio search and read a couple of things about her. I always like to know atleast a little bit about the people behind the art. How much I research depends on how much I like the work! As for Joni, it's as if I'm attending Joni school! I read anything and everything on her thanks to JoniMitchell.com, the JMDL site, and other various sources! Anyway, what would you say is different about Nicole Kidman's portrayal vs. what you learned about Woolf yourself from reading? I am just curious. I've got to say though, it's terrible that Virginia Woolf's body wasn't found for quite some time. I read she drowned herself March 28th and her body wasn't found until April 18th or so. Then again, that's probably what she intended with putting stones in her pockets to weigh her down, hmm? -Monika SR (still reading): Mrs. Dalloway Mark Scott wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rian Afriadi" > Monika! > > Mrs. Dalloway is a very good book. (Yesterday i discussed the book > with Mark Scott, offlist, and today you mentioned it, nice > coincidence!) I read the book last year, after watching The Hours. > > That book is a though book. Very difficult. Specially 4 me. (english > is my 3rd language). But i love how Virginia described things there. > Oh, what's that called? Stream of conciousness, right? Yes, Rian, Virginia Woolf's writing is often called stream of consciousness. Monika, I am very interested to find out what you think of Mrs. Dalloway. I love that book as I love most of Woolf's writing. Woolf passes the narrative from one character's thoughts to the next and then back again which I think is a fascinating way to write. And the language itself is beautiful - poetic in many places. Woolf's 'The Waves' is one of the most incredible things I've ever read. Not that I'm any great literary scholar. But the structure of 'The Waves' is amazing to me. It consists entirely of the inner voicings of 6 characters, beginning with the time when they are small children and living together at a boarding school. There is no 3rd person omniscient narrator and there are no transitions from one 'voice' to the next. There are periodic descriptions of the passing of a day on a seacoast, beginning with the sun rising over the ocean that more or less correspond with the various stages of the 6 character's lives - morning, mid-day, evening, etc. These passages are all beautifully written, richly descriptive. The final lines of 'The Waves' appear on a plaque underneath a bust of Woolf in the garden of Monk's House which was Leonard and Virgnia Woolf's country home in Sussex, England. Virginia's ashes were scattered on the property of Monk's House, so this is more or less her memorial. Oh, and from the biographies I have read and from reading Woolf's diaries, I have come to the conclusion that she was not much like the character that Nicole Kidman created in 'The Hours'. Mark E. in Seattle ps: If anyone is interested in seeing my pictures of Monk's House or Talland House in St. Ives, Cornwall (Virginia's family's summer home in her early childhood), write me offlist. - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #517 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------