From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #516 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 29 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 516 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Steely Dan Connection [Mark-Leon Thorne ] sjc 10 best list ["Randy Remote" ] Re: sjc 10 best list [notaro@stpt.usf.edu] Re: Steely Dan Connection [PassScribe@aol.com] njc, Benazir Bhutto [Patti Parlette ] Re: 10 best list, NJC [Rian Afriadi ] JoniQuiz Pt. 8 : For The Roses [Rian Afriadi ] Re: JoniQuiz Pt. 8 : SHINE [Eric Taylor ] ANSWER : JoniQuiz Pt. 7 : Shine [Rian Afriadi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:25:03 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection Not FOS by any means, Em. You have described the differences between Joni and SD very well (except for the pork analogy). It's true that their styles are quite different for the most part but there always seemed a cross over to me. I have been playing SD a lot lately. They keep getting stuck in my head. The comment Joni made about the title of SD's album, Aja got stuck in my head too and I just got intrigued by the possibility of any connection between them. I see how SD is a more energised sound but Joni must be in admiration of Donald Fagen's complex and cynical lyric style. They paralleled each other's careers for a time in the 70s with Aja and Hejira being the best albums of the late 70s and similarities between other albums like Katy Lied and THOSL, Court and Spark and Pretzel Logic. Maybe it's just the sound of the period that I'm hearing. The instruments that were popular at the time, the guitar licks, etc. Certainly, Joni's lyrics were more personal but the more societally observational songs had a similar bent to SD. Songs like People's Parties could have been written by Donald Fagen. I mean, Joni is unique but it seems that DF might have been going through similar thought processes. Of course, one minor connection I know of is Michael McDonald. The pairing could only work on one or two songs as guest vocalist with Joni but worked wonderfully in balancing DF's raw vocals with SD. Sometimes I wish MM was a more permanent member of SD. Then again, I wish MM had recorded more with Joni too. It's a musical collaboration that I would be most intrigued by. Of course there are some big differences but I could easily place Joni's songs side by side with SD in a compilation. They would flow very easily to my ears. Steely Dan did start off in New York but soon moved to Los Angeles and I feel certain they must have crossed paths. I am intrigued by what other commonalities they had such as peripheral musicians. There must be more that a six degrees of separation between them. How about a connection between the LA Express and SD? Does anyone know. Mark in Sydney NP Night By Night - Steely Dan On 29/12/2007, at 12:58 AM, Em wrote: > Mark wrote: >> While listening to other Steely Dan albums, I noticed there are many >> >> other similarities. Both in musical style and lyrical style. Has Joni >> >> ever collaborated with Donald Fagen or Walter Becker? 1976 was when >> Joni really started to get curious about jazz and has mentioned that >> >> she began looking for people who were less rigid to play with. Was >> Steely Dan's loose style a spark in that discovery? > > > > Thinking at some point they both had a studio musician in common. > Larry > Carlton? > > To me Steely Dan's albums were much more "finished". So I don't see > their style as "loose", at all. I think they were able to affect jazz > "cool", to the point that it seemed "loose" but actually was not. > The arrangements and production on some of that stuff remains just out > of this world, over the top excellent - its like a machine gun of > hipness. > > I get the feeling Joni and the SD guys probably stepped on the same > ground in LA from time to time, but I don't know for sure. Was "the > dude ranch above the sea" the same Banyan tree'd place as in LOTC? > Probably no way to know... > > Occaisionally there'll be a twinge of something in a Joni piece > that is > reminiscent to me of SD. But, to me, not Hejira. Hejira is way more > minimal in its instrumentation. > Mostly C&S has the occaisinal Dan-ish instant. Damned if I can think > what it is though. > > HOSL is nicely produced as-is, but of any Joni album, I could imagine > the B&F treatment on that one. > > Joni's stuff is a lot looser and not so high octane, it relies more > lon > depth, and heart. > SD's stuff is testosterone driven (in the best possible way). > If music were high calorie, SD would make ya very fat from listening > too much. > Its like pork roast USED to be, back in the day when they didn't worry > about trying to raise lean pigs. Back when pork didn't NEED to be the > other white meat. > (of course if you don't eat meat, that's probably a really gross > comparison, sorry, lol) > > But Joni's imagery and delivery of the art are equal or superior, none > the less. > Joni's stuff is/was so personal...and SD's was not so much that way. > Lets put it this way, SD has never made me cry, lol. > > I've wished on more than one occaision though, that she could have > hooked up with B&F to produce an album. Although it *might* not have > worked. > > Sometimes too much merged greatness just doesn't work out to best > effect. > Its like when DeNiro and Pacino finally made a flick together (where > they both appeared on camera together, so, no, not Godfather II) it > was > just kind of anti-climactic and not a great movie by any means. > > Anyway, those are my thoughts. > > Listening to SD closely and in detail tires me out after a while. They > just used to take one for a hell of a ride. Its like the difference > between taking a plane ride in a Stearman bi-plane and the pilot > forces > barrel-rolls and dives on you, and maybe going up in a glider. > Joni is the glider, and she catches magnificent drafts, and flies it > high and low and thrills as much or more as the Stearman....but > without > the internal combustion or acrobatics. > > LOL, I could be FOS. > ;) > Em > > >> > > > "Please don't taunt the tiger." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:20:44 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: sjc 10 best list As usual, my list is skewed dinasaurward- BEST CDs/DVDs 1. Joni Mitchell "Shine"- The Muse descends again upon our Joan of Art, finds her ruminating on the massive mess we're in. 2. The Roches "Moonswept"-a stunningly gorgeous, organic, clever return from the NY sisters. 3. David Gilmour "Remember The Night" (DVD)-Live at Royal Albert Hall double disc packed with extras-breathtaking guitar playing plus guests Crosby & Nash, David Bowie 4. Neil Young "Live At Massey Hall 1971"-solo and surging with creativity. 5. Norah Jones "Not Too Late"-keep 'em comin' 6. Herbie Hancock "River The Joni Letters"-great material & many guests, a labor of love. 7. John Fogarty "Revival"-Successful attempt to recapture his swampy Creedence sound. 8. Natasha Bedingfield "N.B."-Blond, beautiful and talented, there oughtta be a law. (for lack of a new Shelby Lynne CD). 9. Anoushka Shankar & Karsha Kale "Breathing Under Water"- Blends electronica with traditional Indian sounds. Guests: Anoushka's half sister Norah Jones, Sting. 10. Bob Dylan "The Other Side of the Mirror-Live at the Newport Folk Festival"(DVD)-somehow they got it all on film as Dylan transformed from folksinger to folk hero to electric warrior. His complete appearances at Newport '63-'65. Essential. 11. Jenny Goodspeed "Under The Ash Tree"-Haven't actually bought this yet, but intend to. Clips I've heard and raves from fellow jmdlers attest to some seriously excellent music. Congrats! DISAPPOINTING DESPITE WHAT THE CRITICS SAY: Paul McCartney "Memory Almost Full"-Beautifully arranged and performed but the songs suck. Alicia Keys "As I Am"-see review of "Memory Almost Full" PROBABLY GREAT BUT I'M NOT A FAN: Patti Smith "Twelve"/Bruce Springsteen "Magic" BEST EAGLES ALBUM BOB MULLER DID NOT BUY: "Long Road Out of Eden" BOX SET YOU DON'T NEED: Pink Floyd's 16 CD/$200 complete album set "Oh By The Way" REUNIONS: Led Zeppelin/Smashing Pumpkins/Sex Pistols/ The Police/Genesis/Spice Girls DISBANDED:Distillers/Fugees/Jurassic 5 BIG TICKET TOUR: The Police CONCEPTUAL ART EVENT: Iceland's Peace Light Tower John Lennon memorial BEST MUSICAL COMEDY MOVIE: "Tenacious D and The Pick of Destiny" BEST MUSIC ORIENTED MOVIES: "I'm Not There", "Across The Universe" MUSICAL NON EVENT: Live 8 (however it was all worth it to see Spinal Tap do "Big Bottom" with 30 bassists onstage). TV NON EVENT: Sopranos finale BEST TV SERIES: 30 Rock, The Sarah Silverman Program, House, Weeds WORST: Cavemen. Unbelievably bad. I WILL REMEMBER YOU: Oscar Peterson/Denny Doherty/ Don Ho/Lee Hazelwood/Merv Griffin/Luciano Pavarotti/Max Roach/Robert Goulet/Ike Turner/Dan Fogelberg/Benizar Bhutto/ Lucky Dube/Joe Zawinul/Tom Snyder/Anna Nicole Smith/Kurt Vonnegut/Boris Yeltsin/Beverly Sills/Norman Mailer/Marcel Marceau/Lady Bird Johnson/Molly Ivans/Jerry Falwell/Alice Coltrane AND TWO JONI ALUMNI A WEEK APART: "Sneaky" Pete Kleinow/Michael Brecker Peace & Love to you all, and wishing you a great 2008 RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:42:02 -0500 (EST) From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu Subject: Re: sjc 10 best list > 2. The Roches "Moonswept"-a stunningly gorgeous, organic, clever > return from the NY sisters. Saw their Christmas concert last week. Their Christmas cd is always at the top of my list. They were great. > BEST MUSIC ORIENTED MOVIES: "I'm Not There" Saw the movie yesterday. Loved the music. Thought the movie was a mess. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:32:04 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection In a message dated 12/28/07 5:08:01 PM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > Subject: Re: Steely Dan Connection > In reference to Mark and Bob's comments: I too see a similarity in the Aja album with Joni's work from that time period. And, while I like the SD Aja album itself, I LOVE the title song "Aja" from it. The various changes that occur throughout, the oriental-tinged lyrics and flawless intrumentals make this one of my top-ten songs of all time. New Year's Eve: tire of just hanging at someone's house for dinner & watching "the ball drop", we decided to splurge this year and go (with a few close friends) to The Grille Room (a moderately-sized restaurant) here on Long Island for dinner, drinks and a band with dancing- all for just $100 per person (plus tax & tip, of course). Best wishes to all you JoniListas out there, wherever you spend your New Year's Eve, Kenny B ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:41:37 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Benazir Bhutto Catherine and Rian wrote: Rian, very sad and sickening news indeed. I don't know what this will mean for Pakistan, but it is very worrisome. Rian Afriadi wrote: ****** A scary breakdown of this century, for sure. Ring the funeral bells! If I had a heart.... Yesterday I saw a CNN banner that said (I paraphrase, or rather, Joni-phrase): Her "only channeled aspiration" was "a safe place, for kids to play" for her three children, and all of Pakistan's children. Benazir Bhutto was a soul sister and friend of spirit to our noble cause. She contributed an essay to "Stop the Next War Now" edited by CODEPINK founders Jodie Evans and Medea Benjamin. (Aside: I was *thrilled* to meet Medea at the anti-war rally on October 27th on Boston Common, just before I was kidnapped by Smurf and Jody.) This is a good book, with a foreward by Alice Walker and the recently-mentioned Arundhati Roy. Here is a little bit of what CODEPINK had to say in an email today: "...We at CODEPINK were in touch with the former Prime Minister when we were writing our book Stop the Next War Now. In fact, Bhutto graciously contributed an essay that was a plea to counter extremism and "a clash of civilizations that can lead to Armageddon, where there will be no winners on earth.".... (A funeral pyre!) "We should also begin to focus our attention on one of the key underlying causes for the growth of extremism in Pakistan: the extreme poverty that persists, especially in the tribal areas where al-Qaeda is most active. Benazir Bhutto spoke about this in the essay she wrote for our book. Her words were poignant then, and are even more poignant upon her death: "The neglect of rising poverty against the background of religious extremism can only complicate an already difficult world situation. The war against terrorism is primarily perceived as a war based on the use of force. However, economics has its own force, as does the desperation of families who cannot feed themselves. "Militancy and greed cannot become the defining images of a new century that began with much hope. We must refocus our energy on promoting the values of democracy, accountability, broad-based government, and institutions that can respond to people's very real and very urgent needs." Whether in Pakistan or in our home countries, we can pay tribute to Benazir Bhutto by dedicating ourselves to building a world based on tolerance, cooperation and fulfilling the urgent needs of the human family-which are the pillars of a more peaceful world." You feel so feeble now, it's so out of hand, but we must be like Hana: get a good grip on our grief and continue to raise up a white banner! (Thank you, Joni!) Peace, Patti P. CODEPINK Peacemaker #990 NPOMTV: PBS's NOW, and Carole King just came on, talking about preserving wilderness (there's a wide world of noble causes...) _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_122007 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:10:28 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: 10 best list, NJC This year i added lots of Joni albums. I love all of them. But, i will omit Joni on my list (of course too many Joni albums will be on the list). (don't just give peace a chance, give another artists a chance too!) OK, here's my 10 best albums that i own this year. (I don't put number because i don't rank the albums) Bjork  Volta REM  Murmur Simon and Garfunkel  Parsley Sage Rosemary and Thyme Portishead  Dummy Amy Winehouse  Back To Black Neil Young  Harvest Kate Bush  Hounds of Love Running Up A Hill is perfect! The Velvet Underground  Loaded Various Artist : Putumayo World Music : French Cafe This album contains great songs from Serge Gainsbourg, Brigitte Bardot, Jane Birkin, and Coralie Clement. Janis Joplin  Super Hits OK. The name of the album is ultra-awful. But the CD is superb. I got this CD last April, my girlfriend gave me as a birthday gift. Don't you find it odd if a sweetest thing that ever happened to you gave you a CD with songs like "Cry Baby", "Piece of My Heart", and "One Night Stand"? We broke up 2 months after that. Rian - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:15:16 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: JoniQuiz Pt. 8 : For The Roses 1. Guitar chord If you're [D] driving into town With a [A] dark cloud above you [G] Dial in the number Who's [??] bound to love you a. A b. B c. C d. D e. E <> <> 2. Which "some" is not mentioned on Banquet? a. Some watch their kids grow up b. Some watch the paint peel off c. Some turn to Jesus d. Some turn to rambling round looking a clear sky f. And some turn to heroin 3. Who sings Merry Christmas on the song Barangrill? a. Nat King Cole b. Bing Crosby c. Louis Armstrong d. Natalie Cole e. None above 4. When was "you" and "me" engaged in a deep kiss? a. morning b. midday c. afternoon d. early night e. midnight 5. Sometimes I get that feeling / And I want to settle / And raise a child up with somebody / I get that strong longing / And I want to settle / And raise a child up with somebody / But it passes like .... a. the day b. the rain c. the spring d. the summer e. a train 6. True or false : For The Roses has 12 songs but the time length is shorter than Court and Spark (which only contains 10 songs) 7. She tapes her regrets To the microphone stand She says "You can't hold the hand Of a rock 'n' roll man (Very long) Or count on your plans With a rock 'n' roll man (Very long) Compete with the fans For your rock 'n' roll man (........) 8. Arrange these: (from WOHAM) (1) queen of your dreams (2) lover (3) mother (4) silly girl (5) sister 9. True or False : JOTMAS (LT) is Joni's longest Helium-Period song. (Suppose FTR is Joni's last helium-period album) (Joni's voice on C&S is already deep) (disagree? Make a new discussion : which album is Joni's last helium album?) (Lurkers : "helium album??? Whats that? Is that delicious?") 10. True or False : Joni was photographed nude for the artwork. 11. You're too raw / They think you're too raw / It's the judgement of the moon and stars / ... a. Think what you'd like to have b. All across the sky c. Draw yourself a bath d. Your solitary path e. Not even when you die 12. Mention all foods mentioned on the song Banquet! 13. Which sentence is the last sentence of the song Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire? a. Or you're going to come later b. Fall into Lady Release c. Or you can come later d. Or if you come on later e. It's down, down, down the dark ladder 14. True or False : You Turn Me On I'm A Radio is Jonis second highest charting single, after Help Me. 15. It was just the arbutus rustling / And the bumping of the logs / And the moon swept down black water / Like an empty spotlight Which song contains above verse? a. See You Sometime b. Electricity c. Let The Wind Carry Me d. For The Roses e. Woman of Heart And Mind Pretty difficult, eh? I expect Patti get a high score. You know, she always quotes lines from this album. Rian NP : WOHAM Next : Don't know - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:19:43 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: JoniQuiz Pt. 8 : SHINE How can I possibly resist this, Rian!??? (No matter how much Seasonal Affective Disorder makes me just want to sleep in a cave until next Spring) 1. To whom/ to what did Joni dedicate the album? a. Her daughter b. Her granddaughter and grandson c. Her ex-husband d. Trees e. The dying planet Ooooo i already want to cheat but i won't. I vote B 2. "Money, money, money / Money ..." a. kicks the wide wide world around b. makes mountain into molehills c. makes this place looks like a moonscape d. makes Bill Gates worship satan e. makes the trees come down E (how true!) 3. Can't you see / Our destiny? / We are making this Earth / ..... a. On fire! b. Ring the funeral bells! c. Big bombs and barbed wire! d. Our funeral pyre! e. Back to this heavenly bliss D ("this time by fire"???) 4. Which sentence is Hana's last said word? a. And they save ya b. And get a good grip on your grief! c. Dont put up a white flag d. Light the lamp e. This is no SUnday song D (as a hermit lamenting the state of barbaric "humanity" i really identify with this profound line. Happy Quanika......) 5. True or False : Shine peaked higher than Blue on US chart. TRUE 6. Cats, Hawks, Condors. What is the other animal mentioned on the song Bad Dreams? a. Bear b. Eagle c. Whale d. Crow e. Rabbit MIDDLE C (like Paprika Plains which turned on Mingus) 7. True or False : "An arm and a leg" is the only lyric change found on BYT2007. FALSE 8. On which song can you find these words : vagrant, flagrant, fragrant? a. Bad dreams b. Hana c. Night of The Iguana d. Shine e. If Come on, Rian, that is too easy! I feel like i'm in the first round of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire... ;~D Okay middle C again. 9. Men love war! / That's what history' s for/ .... a. His story b. A story c. Mass murder story d. History e. Our funeral pyre! A MASS MURDER MYSTERY, HISTORY, HIS STORY With this one little line Joni once again sums up the problem SO succinctly! 10. True or False: Bad Dreams is Joni's first piano-led song since Two Grey Rooms. FALSE 11. Shine on Wall Street and Vegas / ...... / Shine on the fishermen / ...... PLACE YOUR BETS (good luck!) 12. Which "if" is not on Joni Mitchells If? (more than 1) a. If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, Andwhich is moreyou'll be a Man my son! b. If you can dreamand not make dreams your master; If you can thinkand not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same. c. If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss. d. If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too. e. If you wake at midnight, and hear a horse's feet, Don't go drawing back the blind, or looking in the street, Them that asks no questions isn't told a lie. Watch the wall, my darling, while the Gentlemen go by! D 13. Where is the widow dancing? a. Near the church b. On the tour bus c. On the street d. On the beach DOWN ON THE BEACH 14. Arrange what Hana did first to last! (ah, too easy) (1) Rolls up her sleeves (2) Takes off her coat (3) Starts pitchin in (4) Sees what must be done (5) Steps out of a storm into a kitchen 5, 4, 2, 1, 3 (i am addicted to Hana's crazy wisdom!) 15. What is Shine's another working title beside Strange Birds of Appetite? (The name of the album before Joni chose to name the album : Shine) a. If I Had A Heart b. Moonscape c. Gratitude d. Heal e. If Just a wild guess. A Very easy bonus question but will make Phyllis Ward Ph.D mutter. (He hates numbers) (hey, mutter and number rhyme!) 16. Shine is Joni Mitchells .... studio album. a. 15th b. 16th c. 17th d. 18th e. 19th O geez, Rian, this is not so easy without cheating. Okay i guess 17 because it is a number of synchrnicity. Speaking of syncronicity i would like to nominate Joni as the best candidate for chanelling Quetzalcoatl to our sorry/blessed age. Just contemplate DJRD..... Flying a kite ET NPIMH: Dawntreader T'log ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:04:01 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: ANSWER : JoniQuiz Pt. 7 : Shine The Answers!!! 1. b. Her granddaughter and grandson See the note on the album. 2. e. makes the trees come down Money, money, money... Money makes the trees come down It makes mountains into molehills Big money kicks the wide wide world around. 3. d. Our funeral pyre! 4. a. And they save ya Hana says, "Don't get me wrong This is no simple Sunday song Where God or Jesus comes along And they save ya." You've got to be braver than that You tackle the beast alone With all its tenacious teeth! Light the lamp. 5. True! (i know this will raise many eyebrows) Shine peaked at #14, Blue peaked at #15 6. c. Whale The cats are in the flower bed A red hawk rides the sky ..... While condors fall from Indian skies Whales beach and die in sand... 7. False. So they paved paradise... (Joni added so) And a swinging night spot (BYT 1970 : And a swinging hot spot) 8. c. Night of The Iguana The night is so fragrant These women so flagrant They could make him a vagrant With the flick of a shawl. The devil's in sweet sixteen The widow's good looking but she gets mean He's burning like Augustine With no help from God at all 9. d. History 10. False! Chronologically, One Week Last Summer is the first piano-led song since Two Grey Rooms. (That night the piano beckoned for the first time in ten years) 11. Shine on Vegas and Wall Street Place your bets Shine on the fishermen With nothing in their nets 12. This is the trickiest question on my quiz, ever! Nononono! This one is the most trickiest question on my quiz, ever! Answer : a, b, c, d, e Yes, even b and d are not on Jonis If Jonis version: If you can dreamand not make dreams your master; If you can thinkand not make intellect your game; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two imposters just the same. Kiplings version: If you can dreamand not make dreams your master; If you can thinkand not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same. Jonis version: If you can keep your head when all about you People are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when everybody doubts you, And make allowance for their doubting too. Kiplings version: If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, But make allowance for their doubting too. Ha! 13. d. On the beach Can you hear the castanets? The widow is dancing Down on the beach 14. (5) (4) (2) (1) (3) Hana steps out of a storm Into a stranger's warm, but Hard-up kitchen. She sees what must be done So she takes off her coat Rolls up her sleeves And starts pitchin' in. 15. e. If 16. c. 17th Rian SWW(soonwillwatch) : Transamerica (i heard Felicity Huffman gave her best acting here) - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #516 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------