From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #495 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 11 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 495 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni on sale [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni on Alanis's Your House [Rian Afriadi ] Re: Joni on sale [Rian Afriadi ] Re: This flight tonight to the Jonifest, njc [Laura Stanley ] njc, Nobel Peace Prize Concert [Patti Parlette ] Joni mention [David Sapp ] Re: Joni on sale ["Randy Remote" ] south korea oil spill, njc [Marianne Rizzo ] Re: From Bo on Monday Night [Peep Richman ] dark horse, njc [Laura Stanley ] Sweet Bird of Youth sjc [KEVIN DOHENY ] Re: dark horse, njc [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni mention ["Mark Scott" ] NJC Neil Young concert review (very long with trivial details as well) [M] Re: Joni mention ["Jerry Notaro" ] Re: a trillion trees njc [Eric Taylor ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:36:05 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Joni on sale Hello one and all. Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah and Happy Ramadan just past (not sure when Kwanza is). Just a heads up for catching up on Joni's back catalogue. 5 albums are on sale at Fish Records for $10. Blue, Court and Spark, Hejira, Ladies of The Canyon and Shadows and Light. These are obviously the regular versions and not the remastered ones. Mark in rainy Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:10:12 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Joni on Alanis's Your House Steve wrote: >>>>Re. influence, I know Alanis has stated in many interviews that Blue is her favourite album, period. Rian menjawab: Period? Who's having period? :o) OK. Blue may be Alanis's most favorite album. But of course it's not the only Joni record that Alanis listens. Hey, I was not talking about Alanis's most favorite album. I was talking about the album that Alanis found on her lover's house on the song Your House. I have a feeling that Your House was inspired by Off Night Backstreet. And i have irrational belief that the album that was mentioned on the song must be DJRD. DJRD is about experiments. Surely unfaithful lover who loves experiments (the song character, not you guys) will love that album. Naughty naughty loverboy won't listen to Blue. Rian NP. Joni  The 10th World - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:13:09 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Joni on sale Mark wrote: Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah and Happy Ramadan just past (not sure when Kwanza is). +++ Mark, this year's Ramadhan started last September 13th and ended October 12th. Anyway, is there any differences between the remaster and the original one? Rian NP. Madonna - Holiday - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 05:06:19 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: This flight tonight to the Jonifest, njc Kevin wrote: Speaking of This Flight.. I challenged a friend of mine a few months ago to learn a joni song on acoustic and I picked that wonderful song..He found it extremely difficult but i was really impressed last night when he played it as well as Ive heard it played and of course i had to sing along it was soooo much fun and made me wish i had been able to go to a jonifest even more Hi Kev, If you go, I'll go. I've been debating on whether or not to go because it will be during a very busy time for me in my job. I'd have to fly in and fly out quickly. I'll play This Flight Tonight for you next time I see you. I've been playing it a lot these past few days thanks to Rian. Love, Laura ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:21:56 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Al Gore's Acceptance Speech This just came to me: Dear Patti, I wanted to share with you my speech from the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony in Oslo. Check AlGore.com for video of the event later today. Thank you, Al Gore No, thank YOU, Al Gore! Here he comes to save the day. Mighty Mouse. Superman. He has the courage and the grace to save this place. "We have a purpose. We are many. For this purpose we will rise, and we will act." Back to the garden! Joni must be beaming. xo, pp NPIMH: Woodstock _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista. + Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_M ediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:40:52 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Nobel Peace Prize Concert "All we need is music, sweet musicThere'll be music everywhereThere'll be swingin', swayin' and records playin'And dancin' in the streets" http://nobelpeaceprize.org/concert/ And a big birthday hug and kiss to you across the ocean, Oddmund, a little early. (It's December 11, I know.) "Love you forever, and forever, love you with all my heart" because it was you that brought me out of the closet with my JMOCD! I hope you get to go to this concert. xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:56:06 -0800 (PST) From: David Sapp Subject: Joni mention I was listening to NPR's Jazz Profiles show about Billie Holiday and in the last 10 minutes of the show Joni gives her comments about Billie's influence. You should be able to listen to it here: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14894620 ... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:33:09 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni on sale > Anyway, is there any differences between the remaster and the original > one? > Rian STAS in particular, while not part of Mark's sale, was remixed and was a quantum leap in sound quality. C&S was noticeably better in the remastered version. The differences in the others were more subtle. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:28:13 -0500 From: Marianne Rizzo Subject: south korea oil spill, njc On Friday, December 7, one of the biggest oil spills occured in a south korean town. It is 1/4 the size of the Exxon Valdez spill (Alaska). very sad for all. Marianne the other one too (in san francisco bay) http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/10/world/asia/10skorea.html?ex=1354942800&en=8 158dae4437d37ec&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss ~ _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:48:56 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: From Bo on Monday Night Hello Joni-People, I agree with Steve when he suggested settling on "multi genre" for Joni. Everyone is influenced by so many people...so many events...so many dreams and hopes and happy times and oh so sad times....we have to also think about the age and the decade of when a person was influenced...and what was happening in their lives... Joni surely has been and continues to be influenced by so many different stimulants. What I find to be her genius is her interpretation of her life, herself, her world, this planet......another thing that fascinates me is when Joni released various albums/Cd's. I don't think it was by design...rather for a purpose. There are times when I'm listening to Joni and a certain lyric, or song will smack me back into a past time that was good...or not so good. The magic of Joni is how she allows us to react....respond....the stimulus-response thing...and each of us hears her in a unique way. Personally, I just don't feel comfortable with hearing that a new artist has been influenced by Joni.....I can't hear or feel the influence. But, it's probably there. I wish I could remember when or if Joni influenced that first line of a poem I wrote so many, many years ago.."How can they live like that? Free from guilt and regret?" It's a rainy night here...I send to all of you my wishes that you are experiencing peace in your life and that you are being treated gently....as I believe we all need. With love, Bo - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:35:30 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: dark horse, njc Anybody got any good guitar tabs for George Harrison's song Dark Horse? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:29:43 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Sweet Bird of Youth sjc For anyone interested.. Tomorrow afternoon December 11th at 3pm... TCM Turner Classic movies will be showing "Sweet Bird of Youth" Starring a very young(verrry handsome) Paul Newman and the legendary Geraldine Page.. I remember a while back a thread about joni's song and the influence it may or may not have had and some of you said you hadn't seen the play or the movie and this is one of the rare instances where the original broadway actors reprise their roles on screen..So set your tivo :) and enjoy! XOXO Kev - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: dark horse, njc http://www.guitaretab.com/h/harrison-george/22835.html That's one rendition. -M Laura Stanley wrote: Anybody got any good guitar tabs for George Harrison's song Dark Horse? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:53:47 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni mention - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sapp" >I was listening to NPR's Jazz Profiles show about Billie Holiday and >in the last 10 minutes of the show Joni gives her comments about >Billie's influence. You should be able to listen to it here: > > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14894620 > Thank you so much for posting this, David. I enjoyed reading the text and look forward to listening to the program. Although the film and soundtrack of 'Lady Sings the Blues' was the original spark that made me somewhat interested in Billie Holiday, it was some years before I finally owned any of her recordings. I was given one of Billie's Verve collections from the 50s as a birthday present. I remember thinking it didn't sound like Diana Ross at all! But there was something about Billie's rather gravelly voice and delivery that struck a chord. She was subtle but once you begin to catch all the nuance of her singing, you begin to hear an amazing depth and emotional honesty. Now I own a pretty extensive collection of Billie Holiday recordings and I have been totally enthralled with her singing for a long time. As far as I'm concerned, she deserves every bit of adulation and praise that have been accorded to her. I have always suspected that being exposed to jazz via Joni had something to do with my being open to Billie's sound. I was so tickled when I found out that Joni was an admirer of Billie's. And then when Joni selected several songs for 'Both Sides Now' that Billie had recorded, I was in heaven! Mark E. in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:35:17 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Neil Young concert review (very long with trivial details as well) Well I can now say I have seen Neil Young live (solo)! It will be a story told to generations and generations! No, not really but overall it was f-a-n-t-a-s-t-i-c. Let me explain. Mort and I left my house at 8AM to make the 7 hour drive. I wanted to be early in case of any wrong turns or any problems. I'm always cautious that way and I'm never, ever late for anything unless I'm with a group of people who always make me late. The 7 hour drive was what you'd expect it to be. It's always nice to see new scenery and go somewhere different. Besides having music to listen in the car, I did have to amuse myself. Hey, it is 7 hours and it takes its toll on you. I thought of myself taking a road trip like Joni did when she wrote a good portion of Hejira....now if only something as good as Hejira would come out of me....Anyhow, I also kept thinking of myself as a "prisoner of the white lines on the freeway." Not to mention I passed through "Blue" mountain and I stopped at the "Midway" service plaze. Like I said, it was 7 hours so give me a break! I also, for some reason, really enjoyed passing through the tunnels that ran through the mountains. That was fun. I arrived in Upper Darby (the venue was right outside Philadelphia...a few blocks away only) right around 3 o'clock just as mapquest said. Anyhow, I ended up meeting Brian from the list. He was a nice fella and I can only hope I didn't disappoint him with our meeting as I can be very, very quiet at times. Often, when people first start getting to know me, I come off as rather aloof. I don't mean to but I'm an observer at heart and a bit introverted (though I love meeting new people which makes it all so complicated, eh?). Anyhow, we chatted for a bit and he was kind enough to burn me an MP3 collection of all the Joni albums I don't yet have. It'll be a nice preview as I do plan on buying all the albums because....as silly as it sounds, I NEED to. I NEED them all---the insert....the cover...the cd itself....the smell of a new cd....I need it...... That was very kind of him though. Much appreciated. So now we get to the actual Neil Young music content! Here was the setlist last night: The setlist: ACOUSTIC: From Hank To Hendrix, Ambulance Blues, Sad Movies, A Man Needs A Maid, Mexico, No One Seems To Know, Harvest, Journey Through The Past, After The Gold Rush, Mellow My Mind, Love Art Blues, Campaigner, Cowgirl In The Sand ELECTRIC: The Loner, Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere, Dirty Old Man, Spirit Road, Bad Fog Of Loneliness, Winterlong, Oh, Lonesome Me, The Believer, No Hidden Path ENCORE: Cinnamon Girl, Like A Hurricane Now Pegi opened up the show. She seemed at ease. So would I buy her cd? Well, no. Would I see just her alone? Well, no again but her set was pleasant. It had a country flavor to it and she does has a nice singing voice. Good for her, you know what I mean? It was kind of funny because during her set there was one particular man who kept yelling, "you go girl, play something good girl, you go!" and she heard him and laughed about it. I suppose it's a you-have-to-have-been-there moment. Anyway, Neil came on and played two sets--the first acoustic and the second electric. During the acoustic set, no alcohol was allowed to be served. I actually thought that was real smart to keep the mood calm and focused. Alcohol makes people go a little wild and when you're playing acoustically, you need to focus! Anyhow, the first set was just that---focused, intimate, calm, relaxed. It was like Neil was just sitting in a room with you playing his guitar. From this set, I absolutely loved Ambulance Blues, Mellow My Mind (done on banjo!), Campaigner, and Cowgirl In The Sand. Those were the highlights for me. Cowgirl In The Sand was really a treat (as it always is on live cds!) and Neil showed the crowd his "dry humor." While he was playing, he had his other guitars right by him and almost knocked over one of them causing him to stop playing the song. He just said, "I wanted to jam" and continued playing. Later on in the song, he stopped playing again and strummed the other guitar showing us his "jam." It was quite humorous and it got the audience laughing. After a 15 or 20 minute break, Neil did away with his folkie side, grabbed his electric, and played an electrifying set with his band. From the first few notes of "The Loner", I started having a rock-n-roll seizure. I was just singing along, bobbing my head, and dancing away. "The Loner" was a killer opening for the electric set. I have to say this was one of the best versions I have ever heard of it. Incredible. Oh man and Neil didn't disappoint with the next number--"Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere." He kept the energy level up (EKTIS is one of my favorite songs by him though it's not as hard rockin' as the Loner live) and everybody was loving it. I have to say it really was a good crowd last night. When you think about it, the audience's attitude really has a MAJOR impact on the artist's performance (and vice versa!). And man oh man, Neil just kept on rockin' out with Dirty Old Man (a favorite of mine from CD II). That was killer live and I'd even say it had the spirit of Crazy Horse even if only one member from Crazy Horse was present (besides Neil of course). Besides those songs, I also really enjoyed "Winterlong" (another favorite of mine), "No Hidden Path" and "Like A Hurricane" (which was part of the encore). I couldn't believe it but I just read that "No Hidden Path" was 20 minutes long at the concert! It didn't feel like it. While Neil was playing the shit out of his guitar on that particular song, I remember thinking how good it all sounded and then getting worried because it was so good that I knew it was just about the end of the show. I just wanted him to keep on playing all night! And then...there was the encore. Oh man oh man oh man how I hoped Neil would play "Like A Hurricane"and holy shit, he did! That blew me away. I LOVE that song and Neil always illustrates some fantastic guitar work on it (as he really did with "No Hidden Path"). All in all, I'd give the show an A+! I drove 7 hours there. 7 hours back. I spent quite a bit of cash on the ticket and on gas. I arrived home at 8 am only to get three hours of sleep before making my way to work but you know what? I'd do it all again in a heartbeat! There are very few people I would drive to see...but Neil makes the cut....and if a certain blonde musician we all know and love played in the middle of nowhere, I'd drive to that too! -Monika - --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:26:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni mention Like Mark (as always) I found Billie through the same movie, which, BTW has not held up well. I've become a HUGE fan over the years and consider Lady In Satin to be up there with The White Album as one the greatest recordings, ever. I just bought the Master Takes 4 cd set and just love it. Like finding Jimmy Scott, thanks to David Lynch and Twin Peaks, I discovered her later in life, but am grateful, nonetheless. Jerry Mark Scott wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Sapp" > >>I was listening to NPR's Jazz Profiles show about Billie Holiday and >>in the last 10 minutes of the show Joni gives her comments about >>Billie's influence. You should be able to listen to it here: >> >> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14894620 >> > > Thank you so much for posting this, David. I enjoyed reading the text > and look forward to listening to the program. > > Although the film and soundtrack of 'Lady Sings the Blues' was the > original spark that made me somewhat interested in Billie Holiday, it > was some years before I finally owned any of her recordings. I was > given one of Billie's Verve collections from the 50s as a birthday > present. I remember thinking it didn't sound like Diana Ross at all! > But there was something about Billie's rather gravelly voice and > delivery that struck a chord. She was subtle but once you begin to > catch all the nuance of her singing, you begin to hear an amazing > depth and emotional honesty. Now I own a pretty extensive collection > of Billie Holiday recordings and I have been totally enthralled with > her singing for a long time. As far as I'm concerned, she deserves > every bit of adulation and praise that have been accorded to her. > > I have always suspected that being exposed to jazz via Joni had > something to do with my being open to Billie's sound. I was so > tickled when I found out that Joni was an admirer of Billie's. And > then when Joni selected several songs for 'Both Sides Now' that Billie > had recorded, I was in heaven! > > Mark E. in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:18:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Eric Taylor Subject: Re: a trillion trees njc Great point Kay!!! One of my favorite books is The Emperor Wears No Clothes about the amazing history of hemp. I especially like what George Washington wrote to Thomas Jefferson: "Save the seeds from the India hemp. It is superior to common hemp" and "plant it everywhere." It can grow 20 feet in one season and could replace all paper made from wood. That's why paper baron Randolf Hearst singlehandedly made it illegal with his anti-Mexican yellow journalism back in the '30s. I wonder how much carbon one hemp plant sucks out of our lovely sky? I would assume a lot from how incredibly fast it grows! This year I'm planting 100 sequoiadendron giganteum saplings which can grow 5+ feet in one year and live thousands of years. Sequoias grow from zone 5 to 11 and are being planted all over the planet. In Europe they reach 150 feet in a century. Check out the pics on www.giant-sequoia.com ! A devoted recycler all my life, Eric > [Original Message] > From: Kay Ashley > Date: 12/10/07 11:20:17 AM > Subject: Re: a trillion trees njc > > Eric, > > Thanks for your great post. I'd like to add that if we chose to > cultivate industrial hemp on a massive scale, this would be an > extremely renewable resource not only for paper but also for plastic. > Even in places like Maine (my home state), hemp could be grown and > harvested every year; in warmer areas, more than one crop per year > could be grown and harvested. I read years ago (can't remember the > book, will try to find the source) that hemp makes plastic that is > actually superior to oil-based plastic because the molecule chains are > longer and have greater tensile strength. > > Ironically, back in the day, colonial farmers were actually *required* > to grow hemp because it was so valuable in the ship-building trade > (ropes), and guess what kind of paper the Constitution was written on? > Hemp and its more recreational sibling were entirely legal until the > chemical industry invented the dioxin-based tree pulp bleaching > process, and pressured the government to make the ganja illegal in the > 1930s. Large corporate interests have been dictating the course of > history much longer than a lot of Americans imagine. > > Cutting down trees for paper is just silly. And don't get me started > on people who don't recycle... > > Kay ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #495 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------