From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #494 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 10 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 494 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #390 ["Steve T." ] RE: "If" and Joni mention on the radio ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Bob Dylan's theme time radio njc ["Russell Laird" ] Re: getting home with my reel-to-reel [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Bob Dylan's theme time radio njc [Garret ] Re: Asian Idol, NJC ["Cassy" ] Iran's *former* nuclear program, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 10:54:38 +0000 From: "Steve T." Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #390 Alanis "Your House" and Joni Re. influence, I know Alanis has stated in many interviews that Blue is her favourite album, period. Joni and her genre Umm there does seem to be some kind of hate towards folk, or perhaps snobbery. Perhaps the origins of folk are simplistic, but aren't a great deal of contemporary artists affiliated with folk? I wouldn't call their music simplistic. Anni DiFranco? And is the only reason that Kate Bush, and Tori Amos aren't classed as folk because they play piano? This seems mad, and so far I have no idea what the definition of folk is, i mean the term seems so loose. Joni for me is folk, but then so many other things; rock, country, jazzy. Of course there is something she does which is entirely of its own, but shal we just settle on multi genre... John Lennon All this talk about John Lennon, reminds me of a beautiful cover Regina Spektor has done of one of his songs. Check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQm0QlfvWtk NP: Let The Wind Carry Me - -- Steve T. www.vegansteven.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:16:50 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: "If" and Joni mention on the radio Repsol, a Spanish/Multinational oil company, is using Kipling's 'If' as the voiceover for its latest advertising campaign, in Catalan for Catalonia and in Castellano for the rest of the Spanish state, using the voices of different actors, Josep Maria Flotats and Josi Sacristan, respectively. Not many people recognise it as Kipling and I have recommended my partner to use it in her English classes with the original lyrics and with Joni's version too. A ver que pasa. Have you seen it Emiliano? mike in bcn np Susi Cincinnati - Beach Boys ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:37:12 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: njc, Shine on John, Imagine Peace December 8th is a holiday here in Catalonia/Spain, Immaculate Conception, so no teaching work. I spent most of the day working at home clearing out old papers and cleaning up the mess on my desk. I am finishing a lot of my classes these last two weeks and I need to hand in attendance, exam results, proposals and budgets for 2008 and other bureaucratic stuff. At 11.15 I was probably cleaning the bathroom or the toilet while listening to the Beatles 'One' cd. This was pure coincidence as my partner put it on and I'm sure she was unaware of the anniversary. Fortunately, the cleaning was only a short part of the day and I was able to work most of the day at my desk with the iPod connected to the Wharfedales and had a long session of random music, as indeed I'm having at this moment. December 6th is also a holiday (Constitution) here so people generally (if they can) take the 7th as a 'bridge' between the two holidays, thus making a long weekend, or 'pont' / 'puente' as they say here. On the 6th I hired a car and spent the day in the mountains looking around small villages and country roads listening to Joan Manuel Serrat, Mavis Staples/Ry Cooder and Jenny Goodspeed on the car stereo. In the afternoon we dropped in on my partner's relatives and spent a couple of hours with them. Now planning dinner parties and guest lists for the hols. I understand how Marian feels about her birthday being 'taken over' by other events. September 11th is the Catalan national day and also that of Chile so we traditionally/usually remember Salvador Allende and Catalan history. Now the TV and the world media in general concentrates on 9/11, with justification. It's not like the Western/Northern/Anglo world forgot Chile and Catalonia, it was never on their radar anyway. Happy Birthday to Marian by the way. mike in barcelona np Luminescent Orchestrii - The Scare ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 06:14:36 -0800 (PST) From: Laura Stanley Subject: Re: Joni's Genre Genre X ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 09:11:13 -0600 From: "Russell Laird" Subject: Re: Bob Dylan's theme time radio njc Garret, Bob ... everybody: For Bob's TTRH only, here's a pretty good place: http://ttrh-blog.patrickcrosley.com/ Russell NP: Rake and Ramblin' Boy - Ramblin' Jack Elliott On Dec 8, 2007 2:52 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > Garret, > > A lot of them are archived at Sugarmegs - perhaps you can figure out how > to download them, it's easy enough to stream them... > > http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/ > > Bob > > NP: Muddy Waters, "Blow, Wind Blow" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 07:05:04 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: getting home with my reel-to-reel > From: Gary Z > Subject: Re: getting home with my reel-to-reel > > I'm not sure how common the practice was, but when I was doing a > lot of > recording sessions in the 70s, the engineers didn't give me a copy > of my > performances on a cassette, but on a reel-to-reel tape, that I would > bring home and listen to on my machine. So i assumed the line just > meant that Joni was bringing home her reel-to-reel tape(s) to > review at > home on her machine. I'm with Gary on this. I'm sure she meant just the tape itself, not the machine. If she had sung "getting home with my reel" it would potentially have been misunderstood. That term is more used in film or fishing. Plus she loves alliteration and "reel-to-reel" sort of qualifies. Dave B p.s Just getting home with my Glyph hard drive. How do you like that lyric? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 07:13:32 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Joni/Genre How lucky are we to be madly in love with an artist that can fill 4 or so different genres on one album..Rian asked about Blue..Little Green fits the folky guitar story telling while this flight tonight (IMHO) is her greatest rock and roll guitar work carey sometimes feels "calypso-y" to me sometimes just pick a joni album and its actually fun(im sucha dork) to pick out the many genres..Speaking of This Flight.. I challenged a friend of mine a few months ago to learn a joni song on acoustic and I picked that wonderful song..He found it extremely difficult but i was really impressed last night when he played it as well as Ive heard it played and of course i had to sing along it was soooo much fun and made me wish i had been able to go to a jonifest even more.. but we had our own little fest as our freinds looked on puzzeled and intrigued best part about it was my friend bought the blue album...spreading joni round the world...one person at a time ;p xoxo Kev - --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:26:59 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Re: Bob Dylan's theme time radio njc Hey guys, thanks so much for this. Russell that site is great. I'll be downloading for the ipod. Have a good sunday GARRET NP - Joni, If On Dec 9, 2007 3:11 PM, Russell Laird wrote: > Garret, Bob ... everybody: > > For Bob's TTRH only, here's a pretty good place: > > http://ttrh-blog.patrickcrosley.com/ > > Russell > > NP: Rake and Ramblin' Boy - Ramblin' Jack Elliott > > > > > On Dec 8, 2007 2:52 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > > > Garret, > > > > A lot of them are archived at Sugarmegs - perhaps you can figure out how > to download them, it's easy enough to stream them... > > > > http://tela.sugarmegs.org/_asxtela/ > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Muddy Waters, "Blow, Wind Blow" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:44:25 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Asian Idol, NJC From: "Rian Afriadi" <<< The first Asian Idol is about to begin. Really. This is interesting. Usually i don't give too much attention to the Idol Show. But, this one is different. This is India vs. Indonesia vs. Malaysia vs. The Philippines vs. Singapore vs. Vietnam. It's clashes of cultures. Mixed up. The show must be so tasty and spicy, like curry. >>> When I was a young girl in England, the one night of the year we were allowed to stay up very late was the night of the Eurovision Song Contest, it was an annual event in our house while I was growing up. We didn't own a television until I was about 11 so we listened on the radio and each of us would try to figure out who would win. Once a television was introduced into our home we would watch it rather than listening on the radio and being able to see the performers it made a huge difference. My two most memorable contests were the year Sandy Shaw won with "Puppet on a String" (thinking this was 1966 or 1967); it was the first time someone from England won. Then again a couple of years later when there was a four way tie putting Lulu at the top of the pack with a song called "Boom Bang a Bang". The Eurovision Song Contest all happened in one night, it was a huge deal much like watching the Oscars now. Long after I moved to the USA - 1988 - a young woman named Celine Dion won the contest for Switzerland singing "Ne partez pas sans moi" (meaning "Don't Leave Without Me"). I think sometimes that I enjoy American Idol because of the memories it evokes from those days huddled around the radio with my family. I hope you enjoy your Asian Idol, Rian... be careful though, Sanjay might show up with his mohawk! Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:16:57 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Iran's *former* nuclear program, njc There are lots of people slamming the Administration for the fear-based comments about Iran since August (when they knew better). What I think is interesting is how one Democrat has taken the Pres to task so skillfully that it sounds like advice rather than criticism. I think this is a very Presidential way to looking at the most recent news. House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel said >"On Iran and the NIE report, I think we've got a couple of things that I think are very important and worth noting. One, is we no longer have to have a policy that's either based by hype and fear, but can now be clear-eyed and hardheaded as it approaches the Iranians. We do not have to operate from fear or weakness. We have strength here. And I think the NIE report shows that.”> http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/12/democrats_time_for_a_new_iran.html Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 23:44:28 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: getting home with my reel-to-reel I agree; she was taking a 1/4" dub home. Few people said, "cassette tape". It was always "cassette". So, Joni is, "getting home with my reel-to-reel (tape) while the sun is ascending". In my scorebook, she gets one point each for * "comprehending" * having her sun "ascending", * all that rich description * the paradox between skin & still feel so alone, * contrasting her dawn with Coyote's, etc, etc, etc. As a writer, she's no Tom Scholz. Aw, hell, she did alright, I guess, for a girl. Jim L. Chuck said, >This has been bothering me... I ask: why would anyone transport a reel-to-reel tape recorder to and from the studio? Well, the answer is, you wouldn't. So the light dawns; she's referring to a 1/4" reel of tape! But the lyric is misleading, and I'm going to suspend her artistic license for 30 days.> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:17:33 -0500 (EST) From: Eric Taylor Subject: A trillion trees njc A Trillion Trees: How To Stop Global Warming Within A Decade by Eric WW Taylor 2007 "Unseen buds, infinite, hidden well Under the snow and ice, under the darkness, in every square or cubic inch, Germinal, exquisite, in delicate lace, microscopic, unborn, Like babies in wombs, latent, folded, compact, sleeping; Billions of billions, and trillions of trillions of them waiting, (On earth and in the sea -- the universe -- the stars there in the heavens,) Urging slowly, surely forward, forming endless, And waiting ever more, forever more behind." ~Walt Whitman, Leaves Of Grass During the past few years something extremely troubling and unexpected has occurred on earth. Glaciers and ice sheets all over the planet have begun melting at an alarming rate which climatologists had predicted wouldn't begin happening until around 2100 due to increasing carbon buildup in the atmosphere. Over the past few decades the average temperature in Alaska has risen by 4.16 degrees fahrenheit. Arctic sea ice has thinned by 40 percent. No one seems to know why this is happening so suddenly and too few seem to grasp the magnitude of this crisis. Climatologists, who were all dead wrong about the rate of global warming and polar melting, still are only calling for an eight to twenty-three inch rise in sea level by the end of this century. Meanwhile the genius who invented the technology which discovered the ozone hole and provided the only model now used to explain global warming (back in 1960), Dr. James Lovelock, warns: "Scientists know from the geologic record that 3 million years ago, when temperatures increased to five degrees above today's level, the seas rose not by twenty-three inches but by more than eighty feet." Arctic tundra is turning into slush and for the first time in human history Eskimos can no longer store meat underground. Billions of acres of arctic trees are now called "drunk forests" because the permafrost is melting and the trees are falling over. Polar bears are drowning trying to swim across 200 miles of open sea which until recently were only 20 miles across. Everywhere on Earth weather patterns are rapidly changing. Heat waves are intensifying, droughts are getting worse and longer, massive flooding is becoming common place, hurricanes and tornadoes are getting more severe and some South Pacific islands are disappearing. This is all being driven by the 8 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide wealthy nations dump into the atmosphere every year combined with the destruction of millions of acres of forests every day. Trees are the lungs of our planet turning carbon dioxide into oxygen and moisture. One fast growing big tree such as sequoia can remove 50 pounds of carbon from the atmosphere every year. So it would require planting some 352 billion fast growing big trees to remove the 8 billion metric tons of carbon dioxide that humanity dumps into the atmosphere every year. It is really that simple people! The process of plants removing carbon from the air is called "sequestration" and the process of plants producing oxygen is called "transpiration". All vegetation sequesters carbon and transpires oxygen. The byproduct of sequestration and transpiration is cloud cover and rainfall. Planting fast growing trees is just one way to tackle this massive mess we're in. Bamboo is the fastest growing plant on earth, can absorb up to five times more carbon dioxide than trees and can release 35% more oxygen than an equivalent stand of trees. Bamboo can grow 40 inches in 24 hours, stabilize soil, prevent erosion and flooding, and survive drought and flood better than trees. Furthermore bamboo contains a natural pesticide and antibacterial called "kun" which makes it impervious to pests and pathogens. There is so much we can do to reverse global warming immediately! Consider this: "Pine plantations in the Southeast can accumulate almost 100 metric tons of carbon per acre after 90 years, or roughly one metric ton of carbon per acre per year." http://www.epa.gov/sequestration/faq.html "In the United States in 2004 (the most recent year for which EPA statistics are available), forests sequestered 10.6% (637 teragrams of the carbon dioxide released in the United States by the combustion of fossil fuels (coal, oil and natural gas; 5657 teragrams. Urban trees sequestered another 1.5% (88 teragrams)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_sequestration In my little half acre yard there are some 50 huge trees - hemlock, blue spruce, white pine, maple, apple, dogwood, hawthorn, sequoia, birch - and dozens of large bushes. All have been planted in the past 50 years and many are 100 feet tall. They sequester over a ton of carbon every year and keep the house cool even on hot summer days. Yet with all these trees and bushes we still have a 5,000 sq. ft. lawn and room for more trees. I share this because the first reaction to this idea of planting a trillion trees is usually: "Where would we put them all?" Another typical reaction is: "It would take decades to grow trees large enough to make any difference." Well that might be true for most trees but I have watched my dawn redwood grow five feet every year since I planted it three years ago. And the sequoiadendron sapling I planted last May has grown tenfold in one season. The tiny black bamboo I planted two years has grown even more impressively and will probably reach ten feet by next Spring. Come on people! We can't wait for government or science to save us! Jesus told John: "The leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations." (Rev. 22:2) This profound statement is true on so many levels. Most of our most important medicine comes from trees. So does our healthiest food. Add that trees take our poison and turn it back into clean air, pure water and fertile soil, Jesus was right! His famous Sermon on the Mount of Olives is all about the vital importance of trusting nature. Now I realize that bringing religion into this will turn off the scientific cynics and piss off the religious fanatics. But these two groups are the real reason we are in this massive mess today. Fundamentalists of all faiths have preached for millennia that procreating ever more babies is our only purpose in life, resulting in severe overpopulation! And science suffers from serious tunnel vision. Must everything be reduced to mere numbers and formulas categorized in some pigeonhole? There is a common ground and it is this magnificent earth that we share and treat like an open sewer. It seems that almost everyone, believers and atheists, agree that we are doomed to some horrible end. Atheists tell me that we deserve it and believers tell me that it's God's will. Well I don't agree with such fatal laziness, arrogance and stupidity! There is plenty that each one of us can do to help. How about planting, or paying someone else to plant, enough trees to offset our personal carbon footprint? I figure it would require several thousand big trees to suck up the greenhouse gasses I've contributed to the atmosphere in my lifetime. But I don't expect the majority of poor people suffering the brunt of global warming to do the same. It is up to us rich gas hogs who spew most of the carbon to get off our fat asses and solve this problem we created for the rest of the planet. As I fight increasing rush hour what I see in my mind are not all of the raging drivers but rather polar bears drowning in rapidly melting polar ice. Sometimes it just makes me want to die but then I realize why I chose to be here at this critical time. The only real reason that we are here is to contribute lasting good. To be continued ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #494 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------