From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #483 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 30 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 483 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Dear Abby, njc ["Randy Remote" ] Hey Jerry - thanks! (njc) [] Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: njc, traveling, traveling ["Cassy" ] Re: Joni essentials ["Cassy" ] Re : Joni Essentials. [Rian Afriadi ] Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc [Em ] Re: Joni essentials [Em ] Re: Re : Joni Essentials. [Jerry Notaro ] Re: what do ya'll think of this? njc [sweetbirdur ] Re: Me and Laura. NJC. [sweetbirdur ] Re: Joni essentials [sweetbirdur ] CD player question NJC [Em ] uncovered story? [vincenzo mancini ] Re: CD player question NJC [Jerry Notaro ] RE: CD player question NJC ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Joni essentials ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Joni essentials [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Dear Abby, njc [sweetbirdur ] Reaction to Essentials [KEVIN DOHENY ] Re: Reaction to Essentials [Monika Bogdanowicz ] njc, no cutting down trees [Patti Parlette ] Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc [] Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc [] Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc [] Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc [] Re: Re : Joni Essentials. now : my music. (a reply to Jerry's post) NJC [] Dear Abby, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] SV: Joni essentials ["Marion Leffler" ] What do ya'll think of this?, njc ["Kate Bennett" ] njc, Matthew Shepard Act [Patti Parlette ] Lama's dilemma NJC [Mags ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #380 [ROSCOE1TC@aol.com] Re: uncovered story? [Bob Muller ] NJC - Glinda in Excelsis Deo (with apologies to traditional) [Susan Moss ] Be Careful or Not? [Bob Muller ] Woodstock, a great cover [sweetbirdur ] re: Joni esssentials, add Joni grading [c Karma ] Re: njc, traveling, traveling ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:24:45 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Dear Abby, njc Dear 52 and single- Rent a yacht. Cruise around for a couple of days, barbequeing choice cuts of meat. This is a babe magnet that can't fail! Seriously, don't bother with the bar-you will only meet people who drink and hang out at the bar. I would go for some kind of structured group thing that forces you to meet other people-something that is consistant with your interests. It could be a singles group, a church group, an environmental group, or a group that puts on free concerts at the park. I know several people that have hooked up through those adult friend finder websites, too. RR > Dear Abby, > > I've passed out advice a few times & now I'm asking for some advice. I > never thought I'd be saying this at 52 > years of age but, I'm single again. > > As a computer guy, my instinct is to bury myself in the work. Back in the > 90's, that worked so well that I was 10-years between girlfriends. It > works TOO well. > > I'm almost ready to get out of my comfort zone and start meeting women > again. The challenges for you, advice givers, are these... > > 1. I can't hold my liquor, even beer. > 2. Socially, I'm painfully backwards. > > On the plus side, I > 1. don't even try to drink. > 2. love music and > 3. like to grill out at the lake & spend time on the water. > > Should I go to bars anyway, and drink soft drinks? Where do women feel > comfortable enough to meet a backwards, computer type? > Jim L'Hommedieu > np in the living room: the table of contents of the DVD of "Star Wars VI." > Even geeks have coping mechanisms. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:22:48 -0800 From: Subject: Hey Jerry - thanks! (njc) Oh man, oh man! Thanks for the red alert! Since I'm on digest Lesli called me an hour ago to tell me about your post! Here we were just talking about the good old Troub and little did we know! Argh, all the shows are sold out ;-((( Waaaa! Howevah, some of us may just show up Friday night and see what happens. (The magic Joni dust usually alights on us so one never knows - maybe the LA posse will get a break! ;-) I hope beyond hope to have a full report sometime early Saturday morning - heeteehee! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:47:32 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc Well, I guess regardless of whoever wrote it, it's still pretty inflammatory. But I'm glad that it's popped up on the list. Get's us all talking.... Much Joni and Happy Friday Jamie Zooby On 30/11/2007, kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > Ya'll have been punked big time. I'm pretty good at sniffing out shite and > had my hunch confirmed here: > > http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/chong.asp > > "FALSE" > > Geez. When does it ever end? > > Kakki > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:13:00 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc OK, so it was written by an attorney and began circulating as opposed to being written by someone in the military. Scratching my head to see how anyone was punked just because the author was different. I don't think anybody knew Chong anyway, it was the attitude (which I might add is still VERY overwhelming here in SC) that was being discussed and was very genuine according to my good friends at Snopes. Hope you make it to the Troubadour, Kakki - and here's to a surprise visit from you-know-who! Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Home" - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:24:37 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: njc, traveling, traveling From: "Patti Parlette" <<< She said she was just out in Seattle and went to a lovely town called Port Townsend (?) where lots of people have "War is not the answer" signs on their homes. She said you can "feel the love." Do you know that town, Cassy or Mark? >>> Hey Patti, Yes I know where Port Townsend is, it's across the water from me, see: http://tinyurl.com/29fnlf I live in Silver Lake which is actually south Everett so if you move the map a little to the left you'll see where I live. I read an article a little while back which stated that Port Townsend is one of the only areas around Seattle that has "reasonable" real estate pricing. While driving to the Mukilteo (pronounced Muck ill Tea O) ferry last week I saw a "cute" little house and stopped to check it out. 900 sq. ft. two bedrooms one bathroom with a car port, no garage. I nearly choked when I read the price $425,000.00. Real estate is very pricey around Seattle but compared to California I guess it's not too terrible. I am glad you're home safely, Patti. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:40:19 -0800 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Joni essentials From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" Essentials: Court & Spark, For the Roses, Hejira Recommended: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Night Ride Home, Turbulent Indigo Be careful: Dog Eat Dog, Hissing of Summer Lawns, Mingus - though I love them all! Go ahead and skip: Clouds, Both Sides Now, Travelogue Live: Shadows & Light To start with: Misses ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:27:58 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re : Joni Essentials. The-beginner-Joni-expert's choices: Essentials: (pick 3) 1. Blue 2. Hejira 3. Court & Spark Recommended: (pick 3) 1. The Hissing of Summer Lawns 2. Shine 3. Ladies of The Canyon Be careful: (pick 3) 1. Mingus (Casual Joni fans will be freaked out by its arhytmic sounds) 2. Chalk Mark In A Rain Storm (Be careful. This album will reoccur your not-so-nice dream) 3. Travelogue (If I were Joni, i would not make a double CD for this project since only half of the rearrangements are gems  But who am I anyway to dictate Joni....) Go ahead and skip: (pick 3) 1. Taming The Tiger (Joni didnt sing very well on this album, her voice sounded troubled, and the guitar is not so nice) (only No Apologies worths listening) 2. The Beginning of Survival (Who wants to remember the very beginning of a survival that we dont know when it will end?) 3. Songs of A Prairie Girl Live: (pick 1) 1. MoA vs S&L is like Apples vs Oranges. Both are good for your health. Id prefer Apples.... To start with: (pick 1, some compilation) Dreamland of course! Rian NP. Dusty Springfield  The Look of Love (God! This song is AWESOME) - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:36:24 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc ahahahahhhaaaaaaa, ahahahahahaaaaaaaaa... lol!!!!!!! I mean its not really funny, in a sense....but I see these faux-fwds ALOT. Usually some humorless, mean spirited thing that gets attributed to (of all people) George Carlin or Robin Williams. And I can't believe how many people fall for it and think that good old Mork finally went right wing like everyone should in the end, sometime before they die. But Snopes puts a lid on it. This one is tougher, because who the heck knows who General Chong is? I mean that's someone I order his chicken at the Chinese place, right? So, no one would think to say " you know, that doesn't *sound* like the General Chong I know..I'm suspicious of this...". With the George Carlin and Robin Williams ones you kinda get a clue early on cuz HELLO: the pieces aren't even funny. But with this...how can you know? And the thing is, the sentiments contained in this "General Chong" piece STILL EXIST in our population. Enough so that people (whoever the creepy trolls are) have gone to the trouble of shaping the original letter written by that Dad to his sons, into something that incites bad feeling and riles people up. They have made a sort of piece of propaganda out of it, to get the people who are borderline rightwing hawks to go "yup, yup that's it, just like I thought! we need to fight MORE" and nod their heads. And therefore migrate toward the hawkish rather than away from the hawkish. So, in a sense the fact that Chong didn't pen this doesn't matter, except that being written by a General ( a near god, right?) gives it more impact. (plus it does Gen. Chong a disservice) Just like with the George Carlin thing! Its likes whoa, if such a cool guy as GC can go ahead and allow gravity and whatever other weakening forces of nature are at play to suck him into a lazy pig-headed way of thinking, then I guess its OK for me too. Pass the deep fried Snickers bars, wouldja? Let's gain some weight. Em ps Kakki thanks for enlightening us... :) - --- kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: > Ya'll have been punked big time. I'm pretty good at sniffing out > shite and > had my hunch confirmed here: > > http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/chong.asp > > "FALSE" > > Geez. When does it ever end? > > Kakki > - - - - - - - Emzdogz - a little of the social; a little of the solo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:48:44 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni essentials - --- Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Essentials: (pick 3) Joni Mitchell (STAS) Ladies of the Canyon Blue > Recommended: (pick 3) For the Roses Court and Spark Hejira > Be careful: (pick 3) DJRD Mingus Shine > Go ahead and skip: (pick 3) DED, CMIARS, TTT > Live: (pick 1) Miles of Aisles! > To start with: (pick 1, some compilation) dunno...I actually don't do comps when it comes to Joni. One regret, in this is that I didn't get to pick Turbulent Indigo as one of the best. I do think its a great album, just not better than the ones I did pick in the recommended and essentials category. Same with HOSL. Gosh, my picks seem to go almost by date, too (except Shine). That's worrisome, somehow. But I calls 'em like I sees 'em! Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:49:37 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Re : Joni Essentials. > NP. Dusty Springfield  The Look of Love (God! This song is AWESOME) I'm glad someone so young discovered her, Rian. I have been a Dusty freak all my years, Explore some of her music and you will be greatly rewarded. She is the greatest pop singer of her era, IMHO. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:00:18 -0600 From: sweetbirdur Subject: Re: what do ya'll think of this? njc Kate wrote: There were also many voting 'irregularities' in both elections- targeting the poor & black communities in critical states. It is highly possible this current president was never honestly elected. I agree with those who interpret that essay as inherently playing to irrational fear & racism. Hi Kate, Yes, and if there wasn't a first term, he wouldn't have had a second so both were negated if the first was. I was so disappointed after the second election and shared this with a black friend of mine who runs the ticket booth on the parking deck at work. To my surprise, she said she voted for Bush so he could "finish what he started"... the conflict in Iraq. He hasn't obviously. And, I wonder how many people voted for him out of fear of losing the "war" if a new president was elected? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:14:33 -0600 From: sweetbirdur Subject: Re: Me and Laura. NJC. Rian wrote: Laura, your apology is accepted. Hi Rian. Thank you. But you forgot to ask for forgiveness from the 25% inhabitant of this wounded world. I hope 25% inhabitant of this wounded world didn't read the Chong essay. I don't hold myself responsible for the sins of those who have wounded the world, but I am not without making mistakes myself in the grand scheme of things and not beyond asking for forgiveness from not only the people of the world but also the plants and animals and the holy ground. I pray for healing peace for the world daily with my children. I also pray for leaders to make good decisions and for us to elect good leaders. And its my turn to apology for pointing your dad brutally as the writer of that essay while he was not the writer. I did not read your introduction carefully and did not follow the link http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5000. I accept your apology Rian. Thank you. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:26:48 -0600 From: sweetbirdur Subject: Re: Joni essentials Essentials: (pick 3) 1. Shine 2. For the Roses 3. Clouds Recommended: (pick 3) 1. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 2. Hissing of Summer Lawns 3. Ladies of the Canyon Be careful: (pick 3) 1. Court and Spark 2. Wild Things Run Fast 3. Blue Go ahead and skip: (pick 3) 1. Mingus 2. Dog Eat Dog 3. ????? Live: (pick 1) 1. Miles of Aisles To start with: (pick 1, some compilation) Dreamland This was fun!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:17:32 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: CD player question NJC I need to get my Mom a new CD player. Hers is old and doesn't play .mp3 CD's. I went and looked on bestbuy.com and a few other places - very few CD players mention .mp3 playing capacity in the item description. Is this because alot of the current model CD players still don't play .mp3 cd's, or is it that by now its assumed that a new CD player WILL play .mp3 cd's? (and so they don't need to mention it?) Not wanting to get my info from a Best Buy sales person necessarily... I burn CD's for my Mom out of my iTunes, and even though I have it set to burn as an "Audio" CD, rather than .mp3, she says they won't play on her oldish Sony CD player. Anybody got a clue for me? thanks... If I were my Mom I'd just plug a portable CD player into the stereo - which does play .mp3 cds'...but noooooooo, she doesn't want to mess with disconnecting or reconnecting, etc. :) thx again Em - - - - - - - Emzdogz - a little of the social; a little of the solo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:26:02 +0000 From: vincenzo mancini Subject: uncovered story? Has this already been covered? To me is brand new although referring to 2004... Vincenzo http://magentaraves.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/moon-at-the-window/ _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:32:26 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: CD player question NJC They all do now, Em. Only the very oldest don't. In fact, many play WAVs, AAC, and just about any other sound file you can think of. It's all of matter of software and updates. When you buy make sure the firmware is upgradeable. That way you can always update it for your Mom as new technology takes hold. Jerry > I need to get my Mom a new CD player. Hers is old and doesn't play .mp3 > CD's. > > I went and looked on bestbuy.com and a few other places - very few CD > players mention .mp3 playing capacity in the item description. > > Is this because alot of the current model CD players still don't play > .mp3 cd's, or is it that by now its assumed that a new CD player WILL > play .mp3 cd's? (and so they don't need to mention it?) > > Not wanting to get my info from a Best Buy sales person necessarily... > > I burn CD's for my Mom out of my iTunes, and even though I have it set > to burn as an "Audio" CD, rather than .mp3, she says they won't play on > her oldish Sony CD player. > > Anybody got a clue for me? > thanks... > > If I were my Mom I'd just plug a portable CD player into the stereo - > which does play .mp3 cds'...but noooooooo, she doesn't want to mess > with disconnecting or reconnecting, etc. > > :) > thx again > Em > > > - - - - - - > Emzdogz - a little of the social; a little of the solo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:02:51 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: CD player question NJC I'll bet your mom's old player doesn't recognize CDRs. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:32 AM To: Em; Joni List Subject: Re: CD player question NJC They all do now, Em. Only the very oldest don't. In fact, many play WAVs, AAC, and just about any other sound file you can think of. It's all of matter of software and updates. When you buy make sure the firmware is upgradeable. That way you can always update it for your Mom as new technology takes hold. Jerry > I need to get my Mom a new CD player. Hers is old and doesn't play .mp3 > CD's. > > I went and looked on bestbuy.com and a few other places - very few CD > players mention .mp3 playing capacity in the item description. > > Is this because alot of the current model CD players still don't play > .mp3 cd's, or is it that by now its assumed that a new CD player WILL > play .mp3 cd's? (and so they don't need to mention it?) > > Not wanting to get my info from a Best Buy sales person necessarily... > > I burn CD's for my Mom out of my iTunes, and even though I have it set > to burn as an "Audio" CD, rather than .mp3, she says they won't play on > her oldish Sony CD player. > > Anybody got a clue for me? > thanks... > > If I were my Mom I'd just plug a portable CD player into the stereo - > which does play .mp3 cds'...but noooooooo, she doesn't want to mess > with disconnecting or reconnecting, etc. > > :) > thx again > Em > > > - - - - - - > Emzdogz - a little of the social; a little of the solo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:00:46 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni essentials Essentials: (pick 3) 1. For the Roses 2. Hejira 3. Blue Recommended: (pick 3) 1. STAS 2. Hissing of Summer Lawns 3. Court and Spark Be careful: (pick 3) 1. Night Ride Home 2. Turbulent Indigo 3. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Go ahead and skip: (pick 3) 1. Chalk Mark 2. Dog Eat Dog 3. TTT Live: (pick 1) 1. Shadows and Light To start with: (pick 1, some compilation) SOAPGirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:57:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni essentials Essentials: (pick 3) Hejira The Hissing of Summer Lawns Blue Recommended: (pick 3) DJRD Mingus For the Roses Be careful: (pick 3) Wild Things Run Fast Dog Eat Dog Chalkmark (but I like all of them) Go ahead and skip: (pick 3) Both Sides Now Travelogue Taming the Tiger Live: (pick 1) Shadows and Light To start with: (pick 1, some compilation) Can I pick Court and Spark? If not, then Hits Michael F. - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:58:26 -0600 From: sweetbirdur Subject: Re: Dear Abby, njc Jim wrote: 1. I can't hold my liquor, even beer. 2. Socially, I'm painfully backwards. On the plus side, I 1. don't even try to drink. 2. love music and 3. like to grill out at the lake & spend time on the water. Should I go to bars anyway, and drink soft drinks? Where do women feel comfortable enough to meet a backwards, computer type? Hi Jim, It sounds like you are saying "you're so square," but women worth it will say, "baby, I don't care." I have some friends who might like to meet you. Email me off list if you want to meet them. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:57:28 -0800 (PST) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Reaction to Essentials I am really glad For The Roses rates highly with most of you and although I agree mostly with everyones assesments of Taming The Tiger it baffles me that the album rates so low but in my opoinion the song Taming The Tiger is probably one of her best ever..The first time I heard it I cried and thought she must feel lile Picasso in a room full of crayons and coloring books...Maybe we should use this "essentials" thing to pass joni along to some of our non joni loving friends..Hope you all are doing well xoxoxo Kev - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:26:18 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Reaction to Essentials I find the bundle of the variety to the answers to the different sections (essentials, skip, etc) very intriguing. I was not expecting to see such a variety as there was. I mean I've seen Clouds in essentials. I've seen Clouds in skip. I've seen Blue in essentials and I've seen Blue in be careful. How interesting. It seems there is no real majority on any particular thing. Though, as Kevin pointed out, For The Roses does rate high. It also seems Hejira has been doing pretty well in addition. Interesting again! Somebody mentioned that he/she (I forget who, my mind isn't what it used to be) doesn't do compilations when it comes to Joni. I can understand that. I wouldn't recommend one to someone who wasn't into Joni either. With some artists and bands you can easily start off a "best of" album. With Joni (and a few others), I wouldn't suggest to anyone to do so. Her albums are units in a way. Of course they're units with fantastic pieces in them that certainly can be played separately (and thoroughly enjoyed) but the whole is what reels you in. I think so anyhow. -Monika KEVIN DOHENY wrote: I am really glad For The Roses rates highly with most of you and although I agree mostly with everyones assesments of Taming The Tiger it baffles me that the album rates so low but in my opoinion the song Taming The Tiger is probably one of her best ever..The first time I heard it I cried and thought she must feel lile Picasso in a room full of crayons and coloring books...Maybe we should use this "essentials" thing to pass joni along to some of our non joni loving friends..Hope you all are doing well xoxoxo Kev - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:47:43 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, no cutting down trees Bon weekend, Joniamigos! Wading through work emails, I came upon this announcement: This Thursday and Friday (Nov 29th-30th) the UCONN Horticulture Club will be selling tabletop potted Christmas trees in the Floriculture Greenhouses (near Towers Dorms) from 12-5pm. The trees make a great gift for the holiday season and can be planted in the spring outside in the landscape. All trees currently stand approximately 1-2 feet tall and come with helpful growing instructions. The trees: Dwarf Alberta Spruce 1 gallon pot Undecorated: $10, Decorated: $15 2 gallon pot Undecorated: $15, Decorated: $20 Colorado Blue Spruce 2 gallon pot Undecorated: $15, Decorated: $20 ***** My money money money won't make the trees come down! I've got the urge for going over to this tree museum at lunchtime to buy me some trees in honor of Joni and Ms. Treegreen Marianne and the entire JMDL. I wonder if the decorated ones have little lights shining on them. I like to let the little lights shine. May all their little lights shine. I don't know if I should buy an Alberta (O, Canada!) spruce or a Colorado BLUE spruce. Which one is more Joni-esque? Hmmm. Both. Okay, I'll get two. Then instead of one tree, I'll have two. And you know two trees are better than one. Come up to my campus and I'll show you my best Christmas trees! Singing songs of joy and peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:50:23 -0800 From: Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc Em wrote: > This one is tougher, because who the heck knows who General Chong is? > I mean that's someone I order his chicken at the Chinese place, right? > > So, no one would think to say " you know, that doesn't *sound* like the > General Chong I know..I'm suspicious of this...". Unfortunately Laura prefaced her first email by saying her dad knew him and passed it along to her for comments. That gave credibility to it being from Gen. Chong. The first thing I thought was that Generals do not talk like that and would most likely never, ever write an email like that and send it around the internet. > And the thing is, the sentiments contained in this "General Chong" > piece STILL EXIST in our population. Enough so that people (whoever the > creepy trolls are) have gone to the trouble of shaping the original > letter written by that Dad to his sons, into something that incites bad > feeling and riles people up. They have made a sort of piece of > propaganda out of it, to get the people who are borderline rightwing > hawks to go "yup, yup that's it, just like I thought! we need to fight > MORE" and nod their heads. > And therefore migrate toward the hawkish rather than away from the > hawkish. As you can also see in the reactions to this piece of rank propaganda, it also riled up all the left wing people here to predictable responses such as "it's all Bush's fault, we are ugly Americans, no wonder the world hates us, etc." It also serves to foster making our military officers at the highest levels look like absoulte nutbars. I originally was not going to comment on it but witnessing people being manipulated and hurt by it led me to say "enough." > So, in a sense the fact that Chong didn't pen this doesn't matter, > except that being written by a General ( a near god, right?) gives it > more impact. (plus it does Gen. Chong a disservice) I think it matters hugely and the original email written by an attorney was grossly embellished and added to as it swept around the internet. > ps Kakki thanks for enlightening us... Thanks for listening. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:51:40 -0800 From: Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc Em wrote: > This one is tougher, because who the heck knows who General Chong is? > I mean that's someone I order his chicken at the Chinese place, right? > > So, no one would think to say " you know, that doesn't *sound* like the > General Chong I know..I'm suspicious of this...". Unfortunately Laura prefaced her first email by saying her dad knew him and passed it along to her for comments. That gave credibility to it being from Gen. Chong. The first thing I thought was that Generals do not talk like that and would most likely never, ever write an email like that and send it around the internet. > And the thing is, the sentiments contained in this "General Chong" > piece STILL EXIST in our population. Enough so that people (whoever the > creepy trolls are) have gone to the trouble of shaping the original > letter written by that Dad to his sons, into something that incites bad > feeling and riles people up. They have made a sort of piece of > propaganda out of it, to get the people who are borderline rightwing > hawks to go "yup, yup that's it, just like I thought! we need to fight > MORE" and nod their heads. > And therefore migrate toward the hawkish rather than away from the > hawkish. As you can also see in the reactions to this piece of rank propaganda, it also riled up all the left wing people here to predictable responses such as "it's all Bush's fault, we are ugly Americans, no wonder the world hates us, etc." It also serves to foster making our military officers at the highest levels look like absoulte nutbars. I originally was not going to comment on it but witnessing people being manipulated and hurt by it led me to say "enough." > So, in a sense the fact that Chong didn't pen this doesn't matter, > except that being written by a General ( a near god, right?) gives it > more impact. (plus it does Gen. Chong a disservice) I think it matters hugely and the original email written by an attorney was grossly embellished and added to as it swept around the internet. > ps Kakki thanks for enlightening us... Thanks for listening. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:08:21 -0800 From: Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc Hi Bob, you wrote: >OK, so it was written by an attorney and began circulating as opposed to >being written by someone in the military. Scratching my head to see how >anyone was punked just because the author was >different. Snopes revealed at the end of the article that a different email was written by the attorney and then as it was passed around the internet other people added to it. As I said to Em, a General would most likely never write something like this and, in my exeperience, neither would an attorney! Some people here read it and did believe it and it provoked all kinds of emotions. I know some people think it doesn't matter if it was true or not if it validates their feelings about "bad Americans, right wingers and bigots." I disagree. >I don't think anybody knew Chong anyway, it was the attitude (which I might >add is still VERY overwhelming here in SC) that was being discussed and was >very genuine according to my good >friends at >Snopes. I think anyone would agree that there are people in the U.S. and probably in other countries, too, who use such apocalyptic rhetoric. But this email was framed to incite maximum reaction. >Hope you make it to the Troubadour, Kakki - and here's to a surprise visit >from you-know-who! Thanks - I hope so, too. It's raining here (which is good) but I don't know if I will stand out in it tonight! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:10:05 -0800 From: Subject: Re: What do ya'll think of this?, njc Hi Bob, you wrote: >OK, so it was written by an attorney and began circulating as opposed to >being written by someone in the military. Scratching my head to see how >anyone was punked just because the author was >different. Snopes revealed at the end of the article that a different email was written by the attorney and then as it was passed around the internet other people added to it and appear to have completely re-written it. As I said to Em, a General would most likely never write something like this and, in my experience, neither would an attorney! Some people here read it and did believe it and it provoked all kinds of emotions. I know some people think it doesn't matter if it was true or not if it validates their feelings about "bad Americans, right wingers and bigots." I disagree. >I don't think anybody knew Chong anyway, it was the attitude (which I might >add is still VERY overwhelming here in SC) that was being discussed and was >very genuine according to my good >friends at >Snopes. I think anyone would agree that there are people in the U.S. and probably in other countries, too, who use such apocalyptic rhetoric. But this email was framed to incite maximum reaction. >Hope you make it to the Troubadour, Kakki - and here's to a surprise visit >from you-know-who! Thanks - I hope so, too. It's raining here (which is good) but I don't know if I will stand out in it tonight! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:34:26 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Re : Joni Essentials. now : my music. (a reply to Jerry's post) NJC Jerry wrote: I'm glad someone so young discovered her, Rian. I have been a Dusty Freak all my years, Explore some of her music and you will be greatly rewarded. She is the greatest pop singer of her era, IMHO. ++++ Ah Jerry, 21 y o is not that young. But I guess I am a type of youngster who is tired of music that is all about bling bling, thongs, humps, cashmoney, emo, and unartistic yelling/screaming. I found musicians like J-Lo, Click 5, Lil Kim, Avenged Sevenfold, Sisqo, Backstreet Boys, Pussy Cat Dolls, Paris Hilton, and any other musicians heavily backed by MTV soooo boring and so unartistic. R. Kelly once said that he loves music. Music loves him back. And now he is pregnant by music. Well, i feel it too. The only difference with R. Kelly is that my music is already an adult. So, if something happened to me or to music, nobody will call me a child molester. My music is not under-age. Ha. Kidding. Don't pity me if you find that joke not funny. And if you don;t get the joke, hmmm. I pity you. Hee hee. :-) OK. Hmmm... Surely i also listen to today's music too. But actually, in my dictionary, there is no such thing called today's music and yesterday's music. I once had a debate with my friend. He asked me to stop listening to Sarah Vaughan, and suggested me a band called Avenged Sevenfold. He said I just can't understand why you always listen to music that is so out of date. My reply : You know Dani, I dont choose to listen to a particular kind of music based on classification today's music vs. yesterday's music. I classify music bad music vs good music. I love good music. Good music loves me back. And I am pregnant by good music. But just like any other relationship, we have to explore our partner. And in my case, i want to explore good music. So far I've found Joni (siquomb, isn't she?), Louis Armstrong, Sarah Vaughan, JT, Carole King, Billie Holiday, Neil Young, John Lennon, The Beatles, Marvin Gaye, Bob Dylan, Ella Fitzgerald, etc etc... I've just discovered the goodness of Dusty Springfield this evening.... Rian NP. Julie London  Cry Me A River PS. This is also great. So far, i haven't found 1980's born musicians who sing like her. - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:35:54 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Dear Abby, njc Bars are the worst place to meet a mate, unless you are looking for an alcoholic. Join groups, volunteer, take classes, attend seminars in things that interest you. Not Abby but been there, Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:26:59 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni essentials My five vre: Essentials: (pick 3): The Hissing of Summer lawns Songs to a seagull Blue Recommended: (pick 3): Hejira For the Roses Shine Be careful: (pick 3): Mingus Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm Wild Things Run Fast Go ahead and skip: (pick 3): No, not really. I was going to list LOTC and DED but changed my mind. I wouldn't want to recommend anybody to skip any of Joni's albums. Live: (pick 1): Since I only own S&L that't the one I'd pick. Does The Fiddle and the Drum ballet count? In that case, I would strongly recommend that one. To start with: (pick 1, some compilation) Hits, I guess. Or better, the WOHAM dvd. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 29 november 2007 22:39 Till: Joni people! Dmne: Joni essentials Q magazine always has a section in which they choose an artist or band and list 3 of their albums in each category. The categories being essentials, recommended, be careful, go ahead and skip, live (in which they choose just one), and to start off with (which usually is a compilation of some sort). They do this in the current issue with the Who. In the past I've seen this done with Neil Young, U2, I think the Clash, etc. So if you had to do that for Miss Mitchell's albums, which three albums would you pick for the categories? Obviously all of her albums won't be mentioned but that doesn't matter. Give it a go. Essentials: (pick 3) Recommended: (pick 3) Be careful: (pick 3) Go ahead and skip: (pick 3) Live: (pick 1) To start with: (pick 1, some compilation) I won't fill this out as I don't have all of Joni's albums just yet. I am working on it with lightning speed folks. -Monika - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:57:06 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: What do ya'll think of this?, njc If you read the explanation, Snopes says that the email was actually written by someone else & attributed to Chong when he forwarded it on (similar to people here thinking that Laura's Dad wrote it cuz he forwarded it on). People on this list here were responding to the unfortunate content not the author. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:15:37 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Matthew Shepard Act If any of you Americanos want to support the Matthew Shepard Act (against hate crimes) (TIC! hate and cruelty), here's a place where you can speak your heart and mind: http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/DoD_HateCrimes xo, pp NPIMH: If I Had a Heart _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:43:53 -0500 (EST) From: Mags Subject: Lama's dilemma NJC Well, Lama, I feel for you, but here's the thing, as Gene said, do what you love, and love will find you. Be true to yourself. There's no need to second guess yourself, or shapeshift to please anyone. If they don't accept you as you are, then move on. Stop trying so hard to be whatever it is that you think someone else wants you to be. You are fine as you are. Be very careful with your precious heart. Even those who "appear" trustworthy can rip your heart into shreds. If that happens, you do grow from it. And consequently, you learn to retract a little; shut off some of your autopilot trust. Sad, but true. You indicate that you are a "geek", as if that's a bad thing, an uncommon thing. You are who you are dear, and there's someone out there who will think you are the bees knees, with no need to explain yourself, one iota. Again, this is just an inkling of all that I have learned about the stupid things I've done in the name of socalledlove. sometimes, love is not enough. and sometimes, coyote, there are plenty of regrets. Mags - --------------------------------- Looking for a X-Mas gift? Everybody needs a Flickr Pro Account! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:12:51 EST From: ROSCOE1TC@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #380 three posts in one.... first, and most importantly....weeks ago i pleaded with someone to burn and send me the hissing of summer lawns demos. two people did....what a gracious gift. one person didn't put a name on it....the other person did, but i've lost the return address. thank you. thank you so very much. there are wonderful people in this world. secondly, i saw joni for the second time in lexington, kentucky, in 1976. word is that she had the flu during that performance. i was still ecstatic. she was still incredible. my point is that she did a version of don juan's reckless daughter during that show.... she also did a guitar version of shadows and light (which, i know isn't from don juan....) that was absolutely shocking--in the best sort of way. third: essential: blue, court and spark, don juan's reckless daughter recommended: hejira, hissing of summer lawns, for the roses be careful: I JUST CAN"T DO IT. they're all worth the attention of any and all musical thrill seekers. go ahead and skip it: out of the question live: shadows and light, if for no other reason, for the version of woodstock to start with: the first nine, preferably in chronological order. phenomenal. outrageous. unbelievable. sorry for the long-ish post. terry from kentucky. **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:07:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: uncovered story? I don't recall seeing it, Vincenzo - thanks for sending it. Interesting photo too. Bob NP: Ani, "Lag Time" - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:04:46 -0500 From: Susan Moss Subject: NJC - Glinda in Excelsis Deo (with apologies to traditional) Hello, All - CEO Bob wrote: << OK, I have to come clean - "I" am actually BobMuller Inc, LLC. We are a Joni Mitchell-related franchise. There are currently 10 of us on staff & we are looking to add 2 more employees in 2008 as this year has been so big in Joni-related business. Of course, the above is not true. The truth is I'm just pretty darn efficient, and after tracking Joni covers for as long as I have I have a streamlined process that works quite well. All that being said, I greatly appreciate any assistance and interest I get. Besides, I *just* did beat you with the scoop on this one, so don't be too hard on yourself. On another subject near & dear to your heart I saw a very cool picture in VF of the Munchkins reunion and immediately thought of you Susan - anytime I see a Wizard of Oz reference I think of you. >> Like Monika, I too was fine-tuning my resume to apply for the Joni LLC position - oh well...? :-) Thanks for the Munchkin thoughts - now... if I could just get someone to put together A Very Ozzy Christmas (not of the bat-head-biting variety), I'd be in Yellow Brick Road Heaven.? O Little City of Emerald, Deck the Halls with Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My! and Horse of a Different Color Sleigh Ride?- it boggles the imagination, eh? And, to?return the subject to the CD that prompted me to post in the first place, I heard back from Hudson Harding - their holiday sampler can be listened to and purchased here: http://cdbaby.com/cd/hudsonharding2 Susan www.labyrinthcafe.com www.browardfolkclub.com www.southfloridafolkfest.com www.gotfolk.com "god bless the sound of music god bless the golden rule..." ~ Danny Schmidt ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Be Careful or Not? Hi Terry, While I agree with you, I think the intent is that especially with an artist as explorative as Joni, if someone is really put off by jazz or synths or helium voices you would hate for them to miss something that is way different. Growing up I was very put off by Joni's upper register, it wasn't until C&S that I actually liked what I was hearing and then there was that Hejira thing when I dove in big-time. Anyway, I think that's the intent of a "Be Careful", that's the way I interpreted it. I mean, what if your first Neil Young album was Trans? You'd be pretty dang hesitant to pick up anything else and then just think of what you'd miss. James Taylor? Not so much, they're all pretty interchangeable and I don't mean that in a bad way. Something to be said for consistency & dependability. Bob NP: Van Halen, "Fools" - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:47:59 -0600 From: sweetbirdur Subject: Woodstock, a great cover Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZXBTVULfiw&feature=related Watch him do Blackbird too on the you tu tu tube. Digging it. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 02:00:31 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Joni esssentials, add Joni grading Ooh. I like this challenge. Essentials: (pick 3) Hejira, Blue, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (all showcase genius) Recommended: (pick 3) Night Ride Home, For The Roses, Turbulent Indigo Be careful:(pick 3) Ladies of the Canyon, Court and Spark, (both of these may give a biased view), Clouds Go ahead and skip: (pick 3) Chalk Mark in a Rainstorm, Miles of Aisles, Mingus (brilliant, but definitely an acquired taste) Live: (pick 1) Shadows and Light (a once in a lifetime event, both for the quality of talent and material assembled) To start with: (pick 1, some compilation) Hear Music Artists' Choice: Joni Mitchell (Monika didn't say it had to be a compilation of Joni's work, this might frame what is to come.) That was FUN!!!! It's amazing how fast Joni life can pass before your eyes! I can't imagine how different it must be to generate this list if you did not discover the bounty while it unfolded as Monika is doing. She is still discovering past treasures, but can't place them in sonic or social perspecive to compare their relevance against the work of contemporary artists or the general state of popular music when released. It's a very different perspective from which to consider the work. I'd wonder if there's a historic perspective grade to apply when viewing these ratings (not that one is more valid, but it might reveal generational differences). If we applied a percentage (100% being that you owned STAS during its original release, and every studio and live album since), what is your grade? I became Joni aware with "Clouds" and own all the subsequent releases (except for a couple of the recent compilations) so I'd give myself a Joni grade of about 94%. Depending on what you value, a "high" OR "low" score might be desired. A high score indicating devoted loyalty, and a "low" score indicating complete objectivity. Would "low" score participants make very different choices from "high" score participants once made familiar with all the albums? CC _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate. Join in. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:31:12 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: njc, traveling, traveling - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassy" > Hey Patti, > > Yes I know where Port Townsend is, it's across the water from me, > see: > > http://tinyurl.com/29fnlf > > I live in Silver Lake which is actually south Everett so if you move > the map a little to the left you'll see where I live. And if you look down in the southeast corner of the map, you'll see Shoreline where I live. I've been to Port Townsend a few times. It's a rather picturesque town up on the Strait of Juan de Fuca. It has some local fame for having a number of Victorian houses, complete with gingerbread and an 'historic' downtown. Lots of little touristy shops and a waterfront. A nice way to spend an afternoon, driving around, enjoying the scenery and poking around in the shops. Mark in Seattle (Shoreline, actually) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #483 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------