From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #477 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 28 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 477 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. [Bob.Muller@] RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. [Bob.Muller@F] RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. [Monika Bogdanowicz ] CNN, You Tube, and Me - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Giving Jenny Goodspeed her due, njc ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] RE: which joni constellation? [Sherelle Smith ] JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. [] Re: Fiddle And Drum Ballet, now njc [Jeannie ] Re: JOTM&S [Bobsart48@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:17:43 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. No, I didn't see that, Phyliss - I'll have to look it up, sounds like a fun show. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Who Are You" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Takes a minute at the most compared to an hour and a half from before. -M Richard Flynn wrote: Here's another performance of "Judgement" from the BBC "Sounds for Saturday" show: 1972.05.19 according to the chronology, not 1972.05.26: http://download.yousendit.com/8D9C90BD3382DA2E - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Phyliss Ward Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:41 PM To: 'Bob Muller'; 'Rian Afriadi'; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. Wow, what a gem! Thanks for that Bob. JOTMAS is also one of my faves. Gives me chills every time...especially when she sings "roar like forest fire". So cool to hear it in the raw like that. Phyliss p.s. did you notice that one of Joni's old "friends" Jackson Browne is part of the Habitat for Humanity Christmas Jam in Asheville this year? And Peter Frampton too! Unfortunately we will be out of town... Why did Joni add the title 'Ludwig's Tune'? Is there any relation between the song and some of Beethoven's work?> Who better to answer the question than Joni herself? Here she is at The Troubadour in LA on November 17, 1972 performing it with an intro explaining the origins of the song: http://tinyurl.com/358asf JOTMAS is one of my favorite Joni songs, I refer to it as her 1st symphony, with "Down To You" being her 2nd and "Paprika Plains" being her 3rd. Bob NP Living Colour, "What's Your Favorite Color" - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. - -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:11:49 -0500 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's first "shine on..." Also from Harry's House / Centerpiece (which I happened to wake up to on XM radio this morning!) Shining hair and shining skin, shining as she reels him.... Jack - -----Original Message----- From: Eric Taylor To: jmdl Sent: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:12 pm Subject: Re: Joni's first "shine on..." moni has shown us~ >>And she holds out her flashlight And she shines it on me (Electricity) Blackness everywhere and little lights shine (This Flight Tonight)<< This is a fun thread! Okay I'm thinking..... How about 'Some to shed a little light on you and on me Some to shed a little light on the human story' (Love or Money) 'With her body oiled and shining At the public swimming pool' (Harry's House--Centerpiece) 'While our limo is shining on his shanty street' (Furry Sings The Blues) 'To pick up on something shiny' (Black Crow) 'Fiction of the clay feet and the shining armor' (Fiction) SHINY TOYS (Dog Eat Dog) ;~D ET 'Shine on world-wide traffic jams Honking day and night' ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:09:23 -0800 (PST) From: Rian Afriadi Subject: Re: Fiddle And Drum Ballet, now njc Eric wrote: O this ballet really needs to tour our troubled planet! ++++ On the perspective of a citizen of one of South East Asian country: Well, Malaysia and Brunei may call off the tour, unless the dancers wear appropriate clothes. Indonesia, Thailand, and Vietnam may show the ballet, with a few nays from the conservatives, but the show may still go on. Singapore may show the ballet with no problem. The Philippines may show the ballet, they wont care about the clothing, but wont be as successful as Singapore. Cambodia, Laos, and East Timor are too poor to show the ballet (no one will see that ballet) (plus, the monks (for cambodia and laos), and the priest (for east timor) will find the costume immoral). Burma? The junta will never let the dancers land on their soil. Rian. NP. Snakes and Ladders. PS. Free Burma! - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:33:43 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: CNN, You Tube, and Me - NJC CNN has inundated my campus here in St. Petersburg. The Mahaffey Theater, where the debate takes place tomorrow is across the street. Jerry NP Paprika Plaines - God, this woman is a genius. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Giving Jenny Goodspeed her due, njc I've lived with "Under the Ash Tree" by Jenny Goodspeed for a couple of weeks now. You remember Jenny. She's the one who was discussing statistical sampling with Bob S. Plus, she knows harmony, sings great, and writes. My favorite part of the album is the word right after she sings >He's the one who left me >He's the one who left me In the next line, she throws in one more word, just one word, which deepens the meaning and hits the solar-plexus everytime. In another spot, she (simultaneously) furthers the story, keeps the meter, makes the rhyme, and uses the word "complacency". She makes it seem so easy, it's almost spooky. How many other songwriters could do that? (I mean, not counting Louden Wainwright III, Richard Thompson, and Joni Mitchell). Like I said before, "It's easy to recommend this one, ya'll." http://cdbaby.com/cd/goodspeed Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:38:41 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. Interesting! An (apparently) rare example of Joni writing the lyric first and then setting it to a melody. At 09:58 PM 11/26/2007, you wrote: >Here's another performance of "Judgement" from the BBC "Sounds for Saturday" >show: 1972.05.19 according to the chronology, not 1972.05.26: > > http://download.yousendit.com/8D9C90BD3382DA2E - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:47:05 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Joni's first "shine on..." - -------------- Original message from merk54@aol.com: -------------- > Also from Harry's House / Centerpiece (which I happened to wake up to on XM > radio this morning!) > > > > Shining hair and shining skin, shining as she reels him.... One of my favorite lines in any song, ever. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:49:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Giving Jenny Goodspeed her due, njc I reworked my 6-CD changer yesterday. "Shine" took a (well-deserved) break. "Under The Ash Tree" stayed. Make of that what you will, I think it's a fantastic record. I did pull it temporarily to let a co-worker hear it. I had some difficulty getting it back, but I promised her I would give her the cdbaby link, so Jenny there's another sale for you. For the record, she was hands down about "Broken" being her favorite track, so it looks like that's the single. :o) Thanks for doing such a great job with it, I'm not kidding when I say that it's one of my favorite releases of 2007. Bob NP: Ben Folds, "Song For The Dumped" - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:39:33 +0000 From: Sherelle Smith Subject: RE: which joni constellation? Mark, there is something to be said about living and loving no matter how painful. That is why I admire Joni and her music so much. No matter how it turned out, she was still brave enough to tell the story...just as you were. That is where the beauty of her music lies. If the memory feels good, hold on to it. If it doesn't, hold onto it anyway because it proves you are alive and that you can feel. You are a survivor of love and you should be proud of that. To love deeply and richly no matter how the other person reciprocates it is a sign of character and depth in my opinion. This you most definitely have dear Mark. Sherelle Mark wrote:> > Hi Sherelle.> > I felt quite vulnerable revealing this story so publicly. I've never > even talked to family or friends about this. I had liked Joni's songs > earlier when I was hitchhiking around the country and I had travelled > to Canada before then too but hadn't paid close attention to the > lyrics of every song right away. It wasn't until after my sordid > affair with Richard that I listened to the lyrics of The Last Time I > Saw Richard and realised how closely her story matched my own > situation. It wasn't detroit nor 1968 and Richard's partner wasn't a > skater but everything else fit so disturbingly well. Richard told me > that I was too much of a romantic. I'm sure he felt affection for me, > maybe even love but, he was satisfied with his married life although, > he couldn't have been that satisfied. Something was obviously missing > if he wanted to be with me too. Maybe I was his therapist.> > When I met him again years later, it too was in a dark and dingy > cafe. No Barmaid in fishnet stockings though. Or maybe there was. I > never noticed. Most of the waitresses in that area are university > students trying to make ends meet.> > Obviously, I still think of Richard and wonder how his life has > turned out, whether he is still with his partner, whether they ever > finished their renovations (it was a beautiful old house), whether > they still have the dishwasher, the coffee percolator, whether he > still drinks at home with all the house lights left up bright.> > When I saw him again in that cafe, he was still in the same > situation; not quite satisfied. He thought he could get the love and > affection he was missing from me. I gave him pretty much the same > advice Joni gives; he hadn't really changed. He was just > romanticising some pain that was in his head. He really did have a > sweet life. He just couldn't see it. I would have given anything for > the stable life he had. I guess I was torn between finding love and > settling down and my need for freedom and my "urge for going".> > I still fall for pretty men who tell me pretty lies.> > Jeannie, you were spot on about Two Grey Rooms too. Maybe I'll tell > that story sometime too.> > Mark in Sydney> > > On 26/11/2007, at 2:03 AM, Sherelle Smith wrote:> > >> > (Working backwards again digest wise)> >> > Oh my goodness Mark! What a story!!! You had my heart with this > > one!!! I truly understand why Joni's music means so much to you > > personally! I bet this song threw you for a major loop when you > > first heard it. I was just wondering at what point did you hear of > > Joni's song in this story?> >> > Sherelle> >> > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:05:46 +1100From: Mark-Leon Thorne > > Subject: Re: which joni constellation?> >> > I don't know if I can be summed up by one Joni song but what drew > > me to Joni's songs is that every time I heard one of her songs, I > > was blown away by how it described a situation in my life so > > closely. Here was a songwriter from the other side of the world, a > > female and 20 years older than me going through the same situations > > (no pun intended) as me. When I was about 20, I had a secret affair > > with a married man who lived a few streets away from me. He was a > > school teacher whose name was Richard. It was the wrong thing to do > > but I felt that I was totally in love with him. He had a good life > > with his partner and a good job at a Catholic girls' school and > > knowledge of me could have ruined his life totally. I protected him > > by remaining discreet but it never sat right with me. I felt that > > the song, Rikki Don't Lose That Number best fit my situation until > > later when I finally did the right thing and quietly departed. > > Years later, I ran into Richard and found he was still in the same > > relationship, living a blissful married life, renovating his old > > Victorian terrace and spending all his nights at home. His partner > > was unaware that we ever met. I was happy for him but, I, myself, > > was alone. That was the last time I saw Richard. Mark in Sydney> > _________________________________________________________________> > Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today > > it's FREE!> > http://www.windowslive.com/share.html? > > ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista. + Windows Live. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_M ediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:37:06 -0800 From: Subject: JMLD : Joni Mitchell Lyric Discussion: Judgement of The Moon And Stars. Ahhhh, my most very and always favorite Joni album ;-) Can't believe I could at one time in another century sing those songs. Almost makes me want to give up the smokes and get rehab to do it again. At the 2000 BSN concert in L.A. Joni sang JOTMAS just off the freaking chart. The 1972 Troubador tape is thanks to old time JMDLer Pat Mead who personally snuck in a reel-to-reel to pull it off! It is my fave "bootleg." When I began school to study law the very first lesson they drilled into our heads was that it was spelled judgment NOT judgement. I figured I'd take their word for it. (They also told us it was subpena NOT subpoena but my firm spells it the ancient way, none the less). I will always gush about FTR - nothing has ever blown me away as much, although I do like the reminiscent bits of it on Shine. A belated thanks to Laura for that gorgeous unreleased Joni song now covered by Strings Attached. Geez! That was really wonderful to hear. Hope everyone is enjoying all the holiday cheer and chaos! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Fiddle And Drum Ballet, now njc Hey there, Rian! As usual, enjoying reading your perspectives on anything, especially from over in your corner of our planet~~insight from way deep inside.. Much obliged, Rian! Jeannie NP: ~Shine~ and Ry Cooder's last two releases, Chavez Ravine,' & 'My Name Is Buddy,' in rotation with the percussion. Rian Afriadi wrote: Eric wrote: O this ballet really needs to tour our troubled planet! ++++ On the perspective of a citizen of one of South East Asian country: Well, Malaysia and Brunei may call off the tour, unless the dancers wear appropriate clothes. Indonesia, Thailand, and Vietnam may show the ballet, with a few nays from the conservatives, but the show may still go on. Singapore may show the ballet with no problem. The Philippines may show the ballet, they wont care about the clothing, but wont be as successful as Singapore. Cambodia, Laos, and East Timor are too poor to show the ballet (no one will see that ballet) (plus, the monks (for cambodia and laos), and the priest (for east timor) will find the costume immoral). Burma? The junta will never let the dancers land on their soil. Rian. NP. Snakes and Ladders. PS. Free Burma! - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. nj ' - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 00:54:39 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Is it Judgment or Judgement? njc English is still a lot easier than Chinese or German An ugly American would say 'You say tamoto & I say tomato' How incredibly ST***D!!! Let's face it planet. The language snobs will be the first to go when global warming forces us all together at the far northern and southern latitudes in the next few years..... Knowing more languages and dialects increases intelligence as has been scientifically proven beyond any doubt long ago. PLEASE don't anyone take this as a personal attack! I still have a hard time communicating in redneck english. but my philosophy is that it's all a bunch of babel when it all comes down to IT & we should 'judge not lest we be judged.' How incredibly difficult!!!!! & SO simple. i just must judge that the T'log rendition of Ludwig's Tune far surpasses Joni's original version on FTR. i'm attempting to judge only the greater and the greatest Hell it's easy to judge the many things that belong to hell! How very hard it is to find things to praise here on our vastly misunderstood heavenly earth. Few are aware that Ben Franklin seriously proposed Hebrew as America's national language. Can U imagine how difficult THAT would be here at the dawn of the 21st Century??? There is far too much judgment and far too little understanding. Sorry again for being SO opinionated but then i always have Joni to blame ;~D ET 'if you're tired of the silent night JESUS well then you tell it' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:09:17 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: JOTM&S Ken asked "What would it have been like to be in the audience when she poured out her genius like that? " As I posted earlier this month, I was in the audience at Carnegie Hall 3 months before this performance. I do not recall for sure whether she did JOTM&S, but she unveiled several songs from FTR, which was still 9 months or so from its release date. Regarding the new songs, "they were real, and they were spectacular". Pretty, pretty amazing. It was very interesting to hear those songs for the first time live, in that venue - a bit tough on the audience (which had come expecting to hear only her "familiar" songs - which she did a good number of), as you might imagine. I was literally shaking in my seat. She was really something. 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