From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #469 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, November 20 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 469 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Best Recipes + Sex Kills, now The F word discussion. ["Mark Sc] Re: Joni's Best Recipes + Sex Kills, now The F word discussion. ["Mark Sc] Re: which joni constellation? ["Mark Scott" ] Re: which joni constellation? ["Kate Bennett" ] Spirit of the water ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: which joni constellation? [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:06:07 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni's Best Recipes + Sex Kills, now The F word discussion. Back when 'For the Roses' came out there was no such thing on a record album (before the cd) as a 'parental advisory'. At least not that I'm aware of. I'm not so sure about the time period when 'Dog Eat Dog' and 'Chalk Mark' were released. What really surprised me was that when Jefferson Airplane performed 'We Can Be Together' on that self-same post-Woodstock Dick Cavett show that Joni appeared on, Grace Slick was able to belt out 'Up against the wall, motherf**ker' and apparently slip it by the televsion censors. According to the dvd, this was not edited or bleeped out of the original broadcast. I just can't imagine that this could have happened in 1969! Mark in Seattle. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Olson" To: "Em" Cc: Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: Joni's Best Recipes + Sex Kills, now The F word discussion. >I think Joni has always appealed to adults. Children had to be >shielded > from the dreaded "F" word. She also may have flown under the radar > of the > lyrics nazis. > > > On 11/19/07, Em wrote: >> >> --- Em wrote: >> > And I hate to say it but the Tipper Gore thing, too. I forget if >> > that >> > was 80's or 90's. Big thrust to "sanitize" lyrics. >> >> it WAS the 80's! >> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4279560 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:11:18 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni's Best Recipes + Sex Kills, now The F word discussion. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" > The word was certainly not used freely in popular music when > FTR came out-Joni may have been the first major female artist > to put it in a song. It did seem very bold at the time. The first > modern use I can think of (it was used on various recordings in > the 1930's) would be in the cast recording of the musical "Hair" > in 1968, in one song repeating a line referring to 'Abey Baby' > Lincoln as the "emanci-motherfucking-pater of the slaves". I don't know if you count it since Grace was part of the Airplane then, but she did sing 'motherf**ker' in 'We Can Be Together' on the 'Volunteers' album released in 1969. And, as I mentioned in my other post, also on the Dick Cavett Show that Joni appeared on along with Crosby and Stills. I often wonder if Joni would have performed 'Willy' if Graham had been there. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:17:17 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: which joni constellation? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Rizzo" > Now. . > if you had to pick ONE joni line that BEST reflects YOU what would > it be? > okay you can choose more than one if you want. . because it is hard > to > choose. . > > > > > Which Joni line best reflects you? > Over the years I've often thought this describes me. Lately it has been feeling particularly apt. I'm just living on nerves and feelings With a weak and a lazy mind Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:03:56 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: which joni constellation? "Well I'm learning, It's peaceful, with a good dog and some trees" That one sums up my attitude these days very nicely too! So does, the very simple "I think I understand" & "I am a woman of heart & mind" is the beautiful song I've been singing to myself these past few days. I'm heading off to Maui for thanksgiving & its going to be a full moon this weekend so I'm sure I'll be singing "once in awhile in a big blue moon there comes a night like this" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 01:07:03 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Spirit of the water SHINE has restarted me thinking. What if every source of C02 was taxed according to the how many trees it would cost to plant to offset the carbon it produces? For instance one incandescent light bulb can add a ton of carbon to the atmosphere in its lifetime. One SUV can add millions. A redwood sapling costs under $100, can remove 50 pounds of carbon from the air every year and can live for thousands of years. Presently we weak humans spew 8 billion metric tons of carbon into the sky every year and it will hit 16 billion by 2020 if not much sooner. It requires about 40 redwoods to 'sequester' one ton of carbon from the atmosphere every year, converting it into oxygen and H20. So it would cost about the same amount of money to plant enough redwoods to reverse global warming as it is costing to fight one war in Iraq. Yeash!!! ET 'Spirit of the water Give us all the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place.' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:05:46 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: which joni constellation? I don't know if I can be summed up by one Joni song but what drew me to Joni's songs is that every time I heard one of her songs, I was blown away by how it described a situation in my life so closely. Here was a songwriter from the other side of the world, a female and 20 years older than me going through the same situations (no pun intended) as me. When I was about 20, I had a secret affair with a married man who lived a few streets away from me. He was a school teacher whose name was Richard. It was the wrong thing to do but I felt that I was totally in love with him. He had a good life with his partner and a good job at a Catholic girls' school and knowledge of me could have ruined his life totally. I protected him by remaining discreet but it never sat right with me. I felt that the song, Rikki Don't Lose That Number best fit my situation until later when I finally did the right thing and quietly departed. Years later, I ran into Richard and found he was still in the same relationship, living a blissful married life, renovating his old Victorian terrace and spending all his nights at home. His partner was unaware that we ever met. I was happy for him but, I, myself, was alone. That was the last time I saw Richard. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #469 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------