From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #466 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 18 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 466 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Pioneers... past themselves ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Rose Blows... ["Eric Taylor" ] SV: SV: Rose Blows... ["Marion Leffler" ] There's too many people here, njc [SweetbirdUR@aol.com] Re: Pioneers... past themselves [Victor Johnson ] NJC Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR NJC [Bob Muller ] re: Dylanisms in others writing [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: NJC Re: Pioneers... past themselves NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: Dylanisms in other's writing, njc [Bob Muller ] SV: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR ["Marion Leffler" ] RE: Dylanisms in others writing ["Richard Flynn" ] Woodstock ["Bastien De Zutter" ] re: Joni on Charlie Rose ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Woodstock ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Woodstock ["Dan Olson" ] RE: Dylanisms in others writing [Em ] Re: Yoko's latest prank, njc ["Randy Remote" ] RE: Woodstock ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Woodstock ["Dan Olson" ] David Hajdu's review of Shine [Deb Messling ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #366 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #366 [StDoherty@aol.com] Joni's best recipes [Patti Parlette ] Re: Hello! It's Bo [Peep Richman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:06:29 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Pioneers... past themselves The title track is SO deeply profound, musically and lyrically, as is the whole album! SHINE manages to melt all of the extremes into one wonderful impression. It is a Medicine Wheel..... INtelligence INtrospection in INspiration INnocence Enlightenment is all about hejiraing far past our poor little egos. Up a sycamore looking through the leaves at Joni, ET 'Shine on the pioneers / those seekers of mental health Craving simplicity / they traveled inward / past themselves... May all their little lights shine' ~JM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 03:45:59 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Rose Blows... >>He kept cutting her off - at one point going as far as to say "talk about." - - quickly steering her onto the next point he wanted covered as opposed to listening to what she had to say.<< This is exactly why I have little interest in watching these interviews. I am still so blown away by SHINE and the F&D ballet that I could care less what some old farts don't think. And I could care even less about what she wears or how her hair looks! O my what a BRILLIANT artist in EVERY way!!! Joni has certainly increased my IQ and saved me from insanity (I hope). ;~D ET NP: RIVER the joni letters (intoxicatingly beautiful) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:14:01 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: Rose Blows... Exactly, Monika, that's what I meant by saying "for a 64-year-old". She does not look 64, more like 50 something. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 18 november 2007 03:52 Till: Marion Leffler; Joni people! Dmne: Re: SV: Rose Blows... I actually think Joni looks younger than her age. -Monika Marion Leffler wrote: Well, I don't know about the smoking - a smoker can actually go without for an hour or so without fidgeting or losing her nerve, so I don't really think that's why Joni appeared tense. (I have been a smoker so I can sympathize). My guess is she just didn't feel comfortable with Charlie. And it made me sad to see Joni let herself be reduced by a smug fellow who used all the classic male strategies to diminish her: cutting her off, displaying disinterest, really letting her know who was in charge here. I wonder how Joni felt after the interview was finished... About her looks - she looked great to me for a 64-year-old woman! Her make-up and hairdo was discrete; Joni would look strange to me with "teased up kind of hair". The colour could be more natural, I agree with you on that one. And her face becoming acorn-like? What do you mean? (Really just asking). Anyway, so what if her age is showing? It's as natural as the weather... Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Christopher Treacy Skickat: den 17 november 2007 18:49 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Rose Blows... So - I've never watched Charlie before - and boy did I think that sucked. He kept cutting her off - at one point going as far as to say "talk about." - - quickly steering her onto the next point he wanted covered as opposed to listening to what she had to say. Something else crossed my mind here though - and my apologies if it's already been brought up - but Charlie didn't let Joni smoke. Which as far as I can tell is why she's endlessly wringing her hands. it may also be why her interview was shorter and the fall TV blather was extended. "Well, Charlie - if she can smoke she'll do a full 40 minutes." "Nope, she can't - sorry, that's just our policy." "Okay - 15 minutes maximum then." Furthermore, her thinking and delivery aren't as fluid as they normally are.without her coping herb, she runs into a little trouble 'spitting it out'. Joni looks good to me - but I think radiant and gorgoeus is a little far flung. She looks over-blonde, over-tanned and over-tucked. And yes, for a woman as beautiful as she is at the base, it's striking. Her face is becoming more acorn-like - I'm having trouble getting used to it. I wish they could blow her hair and out and spray it a little - more body. It'd frame her face better. make her look even healthier. Travis and CBS were revelations - short, and yet both interviews came across with so much more information. And the way Rose kept looking at the camera coupled with the smug swagger in his voice. anyone got a grenade? - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:44:01 EST From: SweetbirdUR@aol.com Subject: There's too many people here, njc Hi Ya'll, I went to my first Arkansas Razorback game yesterday and was there to help out at a concession stand. We sold thousands of dollars of junk food and recyclable containers that went into the trash. I don't think there is anybody to go through the trash to recycle it. After the game, trash cans were heaping full like recycling gold mines and the stands... wow. I wanted to pick it all up because I love to recycle. I feel like I'm finding treasure when I do, even in my own home. Something recyclable if only noticed and captured... I cringe to throw anything recyclable into a trash can. Anyway, I just woke up from a dream, and it is fading so I'd better talk about it fast. I dreamed about chickens. Chicken legs. And I saw carcasses of chickens without their legs. People pulling the legs off of skinned, dead chickens. Barbaric. I wonder how many people who eat chicken legs think of the chicken? Before I went to bed last night, I watched a show on ants with one of my sons. They were tearing up bugs and even animals for food, and their colonies were huge filling trees and growing larger. They all looked like they were living in such a hurry. We have fire ants here in Arkansas. I lived in Mobile, Alabama over 20 years ago, and they were down there at the time but not in Arkansas. They migrated here, 500 miles over the 20 or so years span, little bitty ants. That to me is incredible. When I was watching the show on ants, I thought about the bible verse that says something about looking to the ant as an example of how to work. I think we got it now... but there is mention of wisdom in that verse too. Anyway, I woke up this morning wondering where's the balance? Is life like an interstate with people and insects, etc. all just trying to get ahead, make better time, eat more, take up more land, etc? When I was walking in the crowd, exiting the football game, I was thinking of the words, "there's too many people here, not enough land, much to much desire." I love the Razorback fans, a sweet crowd, but just the fact of being in a crowd that size brought my memory of the Joni lyrics. There was a lot of desire in that crowd. Then I thought about desire as addiction and Joni smoking and how she calls it an "herb." And I wondered what state her lungs are in, how much emphysema she has? Are they like the planet, being ravaged by the smoke like the earth is being ravaged by the people without much notice? Do we have to live blindly to the effects of what we do to be who we are? What's going on? Then I thought about awareness to the point of talking about what is wrong. But where is the DOING solution? Then I thought about Hillary and Marianne's man, Al Gore, and I thought about how they are friends. Hillary's bound to listen to him. I don't like putting hope in politicians. Yet the too many people in that stadium yesterday might be moved by a politician unlike they would be by anybody else. People at the game loved my Hillary t-shirt. If they didn't tell me they liked it, they smiled at me when they saw it. I got no negative response. Back to my dream... I think it was a person native to this continent who visited me in my dream. Another waking thought I had was a memory of the words from a movie where a native person was portrayed and said to his people after seeing the white man that the white man would come and come and come and wouldn't quit coming and would fill the land. The land. Under buildings now like Joni points out in other lyrics. Building, building, building more and more. The disease of "more." Got to have more. Can't quit. Addiction. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:12:34 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Pioneers... past themselves On Nov 18, 2007, at 3:06 AM, Eric Taylor wrote: > > Up a sycamore looking through the leaves at Joni, > > ET Joni = Jesus? Interesting concept but if I was Joni I wouldn't want to be held up to such high standards. Part of being an artist is always striving to become better, to hone your craft and delve deeper into the muse, dance with the demon, art. If you embody Jesus, there's not a whole lot more you can hope to achieve. Plus, I have just a little trouble with the image of a smoking Jesus. Although I could see him possibly getting stoned. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR NJC LOL, ROTC is what I remember steering clear of in high school. Like the junior cadets in junior high, it was a program to encourage you to join the military. We used to call it "Rot-cee". As for Jewel, "Pieces of Me" is really good, I think you'd like it. Bob NP: Elton John, "Daniel" - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:25:18 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Dylanisms in other's writing, njc He's the female Joni Mitchell, haha. Only kidding of course since Joni hates being called the "female Bob Dylan." -M Catherine McKay wrote: "Lama (Jim L*Hommedieu)" wrote: Bob Dylan is a pretty good songwriter. I think he's up there with Joni in a class of two. Of course, his influence has out-paced anybody from his generation too. He's OK, but he's no Joni Mitchell. ;-) Catherine - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:34:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Re: Pioneers... past themselves NJC Good one, V - although I think you have him confused with Stephen. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Whistle Down The Wind (For Tom Jans)" - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:34:31 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: re: Dylanisms in others writing He's the MALE Joni Mitchell, haha. Only kidding of course since Joni hates being called the "female Bob Dylan." -M P.S. My first email I sent in response I wrote Bob Dylan is the FEMALE Joni Mitchell....as far as we know Joni's a woman....lol. Catherine McKay wrote: "Lama (Jim L*Hommedieu)" wrote: Bob Dylan is a pretty good songwriter. I think he's up there with Joni in a class of two. Of course, his influence has out-paced anybody from his generation too. He's OK, but he's no Joni Mitchell. ;-) Catherine - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:28:03 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR I never skip Banquet! Often, I hit "repeat" after I listen to it.... -M Jeannie wrote: Hi, rian! Oh, yeah, I did forget about the gravy, gristle, cookie, and marrow bone in Banquet! Thanks for the other food reference in Joni's music. I usually skip, 'Banquet,' too, to track #2, 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire'...unless I'm in a pensive, sort of melancholy type of mood in total silence, which I rarely get a taste of anymore...'nothing,' really, rian, anymore. No time! For now, I'm just so happy to have Shine, still playing whenever possible, morning, noon or night! rian, about the movie, 'ROTC,' I've never seen it, nor do I know what the title's abbreviation, 'ROTC,' stands for. I just recently discovered here Joni was in some movie and from I read here, the film is not very good. One day I'll try see it. I think Joni's simplicity kept her from playing the movie queen role. About Jewel, I need to listen to one of her recordings. Maybe you can recommend one, rian. I've seen Jewel on TV and I always wanted to learn more about her other than she and her mother lived out of a car, homeless, and no place to go, but straight forward and she's done a darn good job and for that I commend her. That's an incredible feat, to consistently fight for the light, no matter how dark the present finds one in...and Jewel found the way to let her little light shine after the dazzling darkness. Well, rian, it's been nice talking to you again on this quiet Saturday night, as Shine plays, as I sit here outside underneath a beautiful half moon, alone! Hey, I'll listen to, 'Banquet!' Take Care, Jeannie .. rian afriadi wrote: Jeannie wrote : The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics are, "Winn-Dixie cold cuts And highway hand me downs," Oh, I just remembered, "There was milk and toast and honey And a bowl of oranges, too Well Jeannie, you forgot to mention a bunch of food in Banquet. Why? Is it because you got nothing though there's plenty to share? :-) Banquet. Hmmm. I don't know why i don't really like that song. Everytime i listen to my FTR, i always skip that song (even though i admit that song is great). Maybe because i don't like the arrangement. But, i found the rearranged Banquet (found on Refuge of The Road DVD) more interesting. I never skip that part. And talking about ROTR the movie, what do you think about that? I actually don't like the show. It's not a concert. It's just Joni, with her hair dyed white, with her band playing in a stage with no audiences, but strangely, you can hear applauses in the end. But, I REALLY love the re-arrangements. It's so interesting to hear 80's version of her 70's tunes. Specially, Banquet and ROTR. With that new arrangements, those 2 song would perfectly fit WTRF the album. And 1 more thing: I found white-haired Joni so sexy. Rian. NP. Three great stimulants PS. I didn't reread above writing, so you may find some grammar error there. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. nj ' - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:23:39 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Dylanisms in other's writing, njc - --- "Lama (Jim L*Hommedieu)" wrote:> > 1>I dip my cup of soup back from the gurglin', > cracklin' caldron in some train yard.> from "Gentle on My Mind...hmmm I don't really see this as Dylanism, I see it springing from the same well, though, that Dylan came up out of. More a country music thing, like from a Johnny Cash or Buck Owens song. Sort of a cowboy song either on speed or on a REAL cold morning where wordiness warms ya up. Who wrote that? John Hartford or Jimmy Webb? > > 2> I catch myself wonderin', waitin', worryin' 'bout > some silly little thing. Don't add up to nothin'.> can't place it, tho it sounds familiar...but it seems pretty straightforward...why am I thinking Jeannie C. Riley...lol > 3>Some bloodshot, forget-me-not whispers,"Daddy's > within earshot. Save the buckshot and turn up the > band." well remember, Springsteen was under the Patti Smith influence as well, and there were/are alot more poets going on there than just Bob. Alot of Dylan's early stuff was sort of train yardish. The album notes he wrote for one of Joan Baez's albums ( I forget which one) were a good example of this. And lets not forget that Dylan had so many other influences...like the beat poets, who would write and read in a kind of rhythm. So that lends itself to a sort of wordiness, even if the words themselves are really simple. The more you can spit out, the more you flesh in your painting.... I see alot of the 60's songwriters reaching out for a grittier vision than the nice harcut folk groups. Some even came out of them. For instance John Stewart came out of the Kingston Trio and got nice and gritty. I get the feeling these guys all read lots of Steinbeck. good and gritty.... as well as the Woody Guthrie influence. The time was right. The wave was coming in and Dylan caught it most effectively. Bunch of guys were paddling out to it and a good handful got to ride it too, but Bob's ride was/is most dazzling. "Catch a wave and you're sitting on top of the world" Indeed! anyway you didn't ask for all that, did you?? But its real cold and spitting out words is warming me up! That middle one is bugging me now. :) Em - - - - - - - Emzdogz - a little of the social; a little of the solo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:44:45 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: NJC Re: Pioneers... past themselves NJC On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:34 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > him possibly > getting stoned.> > > Good one, V - although I think you have him confused with Stephen. > > Bob Saint Stephen with a rose In and out of the garden he goes Country garland in the wind and the rain Wherever he goes the people all complain... (R. Hunter) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:50:10 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: a smoking Jesus (njc) Newspaper Sorry for Smoking Jesus Picture Thursday, August 23, 2007 [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of service_ap_36.gif] KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia  A newspaper catering to Malaysia's ethnic Indians published a front-page apology Thursday for printing an image of Jesus Christ holding a cigarette. Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi criticized the action as hurtful and an insult to Christians, and called on people not to play with religion, the national news agency Bernama reported. "If the Christians get to know about it, it will create problems," Abdullah was quoted as saying. "I remind them again to stop doing this." S.M. Periasamy, general manager of the Tamil-language daily Makkal Osai, told The Associated Press that the newspaper published the image by mistake. "The graphic artist, whom we have already suspended, didn't see the cigarette," Periasamy said. "It was a mistake." He said the artist downloaded an image of Jesus from the Internet for use along with a quote from the Bible on the paper's front page Tuesday. But the artist overlooked the fact that the image had been, with a cigarette in one hand and another object  a can or a book  in the other, he said ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 06:04:43 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Dylanisms in other's writing, njc 2> I catch myself wonderin', waitin', worryin' 'bout some silly little thing. Don't add up to nothin'.> And this one is a Tom Petty line. A good observation, Jim. Bob NP: The Killers, "Love The One You're With" - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:10:53 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR I never skip Banquet either. It's one of Joni's first social commentaries, I have never grown tired of it. Cold Blue Steel is also a social commentary but more creepy, to me anyway. That's the one I tend to skip on FTR. Maybe that's because I had a friend who became a drug addict, and there was nothing I could do to help her. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika Bogdanowicz Skickat: den 18 november 2007 15:28 Till: Jeannie; Joni people! Dmne: Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR I never skip Banquet! Often, I hit "repeat" after I listen to it.... -M Jeannie wrote: Hi, rian! Oh, yeah, I did forget about the gravy, gristle, cookie, and marrow bone in Banquet! Thanks for the other food reference in Joni's music. I usually skip, 'Banquet,' too, to track #2, 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire'...unless I'm in a pensive, sort of melancholy type of mood in total silence, which I rarely get a taste of anymore...'nothing,' really, rian, anymore. No time! For now, I'm just so happy to have Shine, still playing whenever possible, morning, noon or night! rian, about the movie, 'ROTC,' I've never seen it, nor do I know what the title's abbreviation, 'ROTC,' stands for. I just recently discovered here Joni was in some movie and from I read here, the film is not very good. One day I'll try see it. I think Joni's simplicity kept her from playing the movie queen role. About Jewel, I need to listen to one of her recordings. Maybe you can recommend one, rian. I've seen Jewel on TV and I always wanted to learn more about her other than she and her mother lived out of a car, homeless, and no place to go, but straight forward and she's done a darn good job and for that I commend her. That's an incredible feat, to consistently fight for the light, no matter how dark the present finds one in...and Jewel found the way to let her little light shine after the dazzling darkness. Well, rian, it's been nice talking to you again on this quiet Saturday night, as Shine plays, as I sit here outside underneath a beautiful half moon, alone! Hey, I'll listen to, 'Banquet!' Take Care, Jeannie .. rian afriadi wrote: Jeannie wrote : The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics are, "Winn-Dixie cold cuts And highway hand me downs," Oh, I just remembered, "There was milk and toast and honey And a bowl of oranges, too Well Jeannie, you forgot to mention a bunch of food in Banquet. Why? Is it because you got nothing though there's plenty to share? :-) Banquet. Hmmm. I don't know why i don't really like that song. Everytime i listen to my FTR, i always skip that song (even though i admit that song is great). Maybe because i don't like the arrangement. But, i found the rearranged Banquet (found on Refuge of The Road DVD) more interesting. I never skip that part. And talking about ROTR the movie, what do you think about that? I actually don't like the show. It's not a concert. It's just Joni, with her hair dyed white, with her band playing in a stage with no audiences, but strangely, you can hear applauses in the end. But, I REALLY love the re-arrangements. It's so interesting to hear 80's version of her 70's tunes. Specially, Banquet and ROTR. With that new arrangements, those 2 song would perfectly fit WTRF the album. And 1 more thing: I found white-haired Joni so sexy. Rian. NP. Three great stimulants PS. I didn't reread above writing, so you may find some grammar error there. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. nj ' - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Re: Dylanisms in other's writing, njc Right, thanks for playing. 1> John Hartford's "Gentle On My Mind". >Its knowin I'm not shackled >By forgotten words and bonds >And the heat stains that have dried up on some lovin' >That keeps you in the back roads >By the rivers of my memory >It keeps you ever gentle on my mind 2> Tom Petty's "Here Comes My Girl" >When she puts her arms around me, >I can somehow rise above it. >Yeah man, when I got that little girl standing >right by my side, you know, >I can tell the whole wide world to shove it, >Hey, >Here comes my girl. 3> "Blinded By The Light". Wikipedia said, >The chorus of the song features the commonly misunderstood lyric, "Blinded by the light, cut loose like a deuce, another runner in the night." ("Deuce" refers to a '32 Ford Deuce Coupe.)> Brian Wilson wrote, >If I had a set of wings, man, >I know she could fly. >She's my little deuce coupe.> Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 10:26:32 -0500 (EST) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: SV: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR Let me chime in. I have always thought Banquet to be Joni's greatest composition, both lyrically and musically. Jery Marion Leffler wrote: > I never skip Banquet either. It's one of Joni's first social commentaries, > I > have never grown tired of it. Cold Blue Steel is also a social commentary > but more creepy, to me anyway. That's the one I tend to skip on FTR. Maybe > that's because I had a friend who became a drug addict, and there was > nothing I could do to help her. > Marion > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Monika > Bogdanowicz > Skickat: den 18 november 2007 15:28 > Till: Jeannie; Joni people! > Dmne: Re: Joni & jewel. Now becomes Banquet & ROTR > > I never skip Banquet! Often, I hit "repeat" after I listen to it.... > -M > > Jeannie wrote: > Hi, rian! > > Oh, yeah, I did forget about the gravy, gristle, cookie, and marrow bone > in > Banquet! > > Thanks for the other food reference in Joni's music. > > I usually skip, 'Banquet,' too, to track #2, 'Cold Blue Steel and Sweet > Fire'...unless I'm in a pensive, sort of melancholy type of mood in total > silence, which I rarely get a taste of anymore...'nothing,' really, rian, > anymore. > No time! > > For now, I'm just so happy to have Shine, still playing whenever possible, > morning, noon or night! > > rian, about the movie, 'ROTC,' I've never seen it, nor do I know what the > title's abbreviation, 'ROTC,' stands for. > > I just recently discovered here Joni was in some movie and from I read > here, > the film is not very good. One day I'll try see it. > > I think Joni's simplicity kept her from playing the movie queen role. > > About Jewel, I need to listen to one of her recordings. Maybe you can > recommend one, rian. > > I've seen Jewel on TV and I always wanted to learn more about her other > than > she and her mother lived out of a car, homeless, and no place to go, but > straight forward and she's done a darn good job and for that I commend > her. > That's an incredible feat, to consistently fight for the light, no matter > how dark the present finds one in...and Jewel found the way to let her > little light shine after the dazzling darkness. > > Well, rian, it's been nice talking to you again on this quiet Saturday > night, as Shine plays, as I sit here > outside underneath a beautiful half moon, alone! > > Hey, I'll listen to, 'Banquet!' > > Take Care, > Jeannie > > > > > > > .. > > > > > > rian afriadi wrote: > Jeannie wrote : > The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics > are, > "Winn-Dixie cold cuts > And highway hand me downs," > Oh, I just remembered, > "There was milk and toast and honey > And a bowl of oranges, too > > > Well Jeannie, you forgot to mention a bunch of food in Banquet. Why? Is it > because you got nothing though there's plenty to share? :-) > > Banquet. Hmmm. I don't know why i don't really like that song. Everytime i > listen to my FTR, i always skip that song (even though i admit that song > is > great). Maybe because i don't like the arrangement. But, i found the > rearranged Banquet (found on Refuge of The Road DVD) more interesting. I > never skip that part. > > And talking about ROTR the movie, > what do you think about that? > I actually don't like the show. It's not a concert. It's just Joni, with > her > hair dyed white, with her band playing in a stage with no audiences, but > strangely, you can hear applauses in the end. > > But, I REALLY love the re-arrangements. > It's so interesting to hear 80's version of her 70's tunes. > Specially, Banquet and ROTR. With that new arrangements, those 2 song > would > perfectly fit WTRF the album. > > And 1 more thing: > I found white-haired Joni so sexy. > > Rian. > NP. Three great stimulants > PS. I didn't reread above writing, so you may find some grammar error > there. > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See > how. > > > > nj > > ' > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:45:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Yoko's latest prank, njc Remember when Yoko let Nike use "Revolution" in a commercial? Now she's let JC Penny use the demo of "Real Love" in a non-sensical commercial about a home-made spacecraft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbww3pesmLE What does the story in the commercial have to do with love, or the store, or Christmas? Jim L'Hommedieu P.S., Pray she's not talking to Tidy Bowl. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:16:52 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Dylanisms in others writing - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" > He's the MALE Joni Mitchell, haha. Only kidding of course since > Joni hates being called the "female Bob Dylan." -M > P.S. My first email I sent in response I wrote Bob Dylan is the > FEMALE Joni Mitchell....as far as we know Joni's a woman....lol. Yeah, but Dylan once said that Joni is 'like a man'. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 13:33:30 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Dylanisms in others writing Don't forget that Joni said that hearing "Positively Fourth Street" taught her a lot about songwriting: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=307 How big an influence was Dylan on you? I wrote poetry, and I always wanted to make music. But I never put the two things together. Just a simple thing like being a singer-songwriter - that was a new idea. It used to take three people to do that job. And when I heard "Positively Fourth Street," I realized that this was a whole new ballgame; now you could make your songs literature. The potential for the song had never occurred to me - I loved "Tutti-Frutti," you know. But it occurred to Dylan. At first I thought he was a copycat of Woody Guthrie. For a while his originality didn't come out. But when it hit, boy, oh, boy. I said, "Oh, God, look at this." And I began to write. So Dylan sparked me. Dylan made a pretty interesting comment regarding you a few years ago. Oh, I remember. He was talking about how he didn't like seeing women onstage, how he hates to see them up these whoring themselves. So he was asked, "Well, what about Joni Mitchell?" And he says something like "She's not really a woman. Joni's kind of like a man." [laughs] The thing is, I came into the business quite feminine. But nobody has had so many battles to wage as me. I had to stand up for my own artistic rights. And its probably good for my art ultimately. I remember early in my career somebody wrote that my work was "effeminate," which I thought was pretty odd. So over the years I think I've gotten more androgynous - and maybe become an honorary male, according to Bobby. But he's born on the twenty-fourth of May. My mother, Queen Victoria and Bobby were all born on that date. I always think that birth date is the day of the extreme moralist. So you weren't offended? In a way he's right. Music has become burlesque over the last few years - video's done that. Every generation has to be more shocking than the last. But at a certain point you've got to reel it in because decadence ultimately isn't that hip. Our country is going down the tubes from it. It's rotten to the core. And I think women can be more than decorative. I mean, it's the same old thing actresses have been saying all along, that these are no good roles for women. Well, there are women creating their own roles, but they're creating such shallow roles I wonder why. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Mark Scott Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:17 PM To: joni; Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Dylanisms in others writing - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" > He's the MALE Joni Mitchell, haha. Only kidding of course since > Joni hates being called the "female Bob Dylan." -M > P.S. My first email I sent in response I wrote Bob Dylan is the > FEMALE Joni Mitchell....as far as we know Joni's a woman....lol. Yeah, but Dylan once said that Joni is 'like a man'. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:05:53 +0100 From: "Bastien De Zutter" Subject: Woodstock Hello, I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the first known recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is appreciated. Thanks in advance, Bastien www.SecondHandSongs.com - -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:25:13 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: re: Joni on Charlie Rose >For me, two words: Missed Opportunity.< I agree but imo it was Rose who missed the opportunity. If he'd done his research (or maybe he had & didn't care) he'd know that Joni likes to 'ramble'. But that is what makes her so interesting! After the Travis interview I 'got' Joni more than ever. She mentioned something about her having something like autism & perhaps she is on that spectrum. I often enjoy CR's show because of his interesting guests but his overly self important style very often annoys me. He interrupted her abruptly which was very rude. I think her very blond hair is beautiful & makes her glow imo (love it straight as that is the way it always was- she also wears it up, like she did at her art show which is very beautiful). Her tan was no deeper than CR's so was probably make up but contrasted with her very blond hair. Tucked?! I've seen a lot of tucks (good & bad) but with Joni, it doesn't appear to me that she's had any work- to me, she appears to be aging naturally & gracefully. She has great bone structure in her face which helps. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:33:33 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Woodstock First know official recording is CSNY's recording. Dij` vu came out a month before LOTC. Earliest recording I have is September 13, 1969 (from Celebration at Big Sur movie). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bastien De Zutter Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 2:06 PM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Woodstock Hello, I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the first known recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is appreciated. Thanks in advance, Bastien www.SecondHandSongs.com - -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:51:26 -0600 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: Woodstock I believe that she performed it live on the Dick Cavett show, just after CSNY flew out of the festival to crash her scheduled appearance (which was the reason she was advised by David Geffen to NOT go to Woodstock). On 11/18/07, Bastien De Zutter wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the first known > recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Bastien > www.SecondHandSongs.com > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? > Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:06:25 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: RE: Dylanisms in others writing Dylan folded my brain in half and then pulled out one nipple through its own navel. :) I would not be who I am without that skinny little gorgeous man. (might have been better off in some ways, dunno) Em - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > How big an influence was Dylan on you? - - - - - - - Emzdogz - a little of the social; a little of the solo. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 02:30:17 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Yoko's latest prank, njc Yoko probably got a call from her accountant saying she was down to her last billion. I do respect Yoko for what she has been through, but I don't like her pimping John's music for advertising. Her excuse that she wants to expose his music to the new generation or whatever rings hallow-his music isn't going to fade away, and needs no help from corporate Babylon. No, the song has nothing whatsoever to do with Penny's or Xmas except that the act of selling out John's legacy is consistant with the commercialization and exploitation of the holiday season that was once based on the Solstice and is now an orgy of consumerism. Re: Nike and Revolution: The Beatles sued over that one, it was Michael Jackson and Capitol Records that allowed it, although Yoko later allowed them to use "Instant Karma". RR > Remember when Yoko let Nike use "Revolution" in a > commercial? > > Now she's let JC Penny use the demo of "Real Love" in > a non-sensical commercial about a home-made > spacecraft. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbww3pesmLE > > What does the story in the commercial have to do with > love, or the store, or Christmas? > > Jim L'Hommedieu > > P.S., Pray she's not talking to Tidy Bowl. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:39:35 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Woodstock No, she performed the following songs on that show: "Chelsea Morning," "Willy," and "The Fiddle and the Drum." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dan Olson Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:51 PM To: Bastien De Zutter Cc: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: Re: Woodstock I believe that she performed it live on the Dick Cavett show, just after CSNY flew out of the festival to crash her scheduled appearance (which was the reason she was advised by David Geffen to NOT go to Woodstock). On 11/18/07, Bastien De Zutter wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the first known > recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Bastien > www.SecondHandSongs.com > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? > Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:05:44 -0600 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: Woodstock Okay, but "Woman of Heart and Mind" was edited to make it seem like that's what happened (as I recall). On 11/18/07, Richard Flynn wrote: > > No, she performed the following songs on that show: > "Chelsea Morning," "Willy," and "The Fiddle and the Drum." > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Dan > Olson > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:51 PM > To: Bastien De Zutter > Cc: joni-digest@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Woodstock > > I believe that she performed it live on the Dick Cavett show, just after > CSNY flew out of the festival to crash her scheduled appearance (which was > the reason she was advised by David Geffen to NOT go to Woodstock). > > > On 11/18/07, Bastien De Zutter wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm trying to find out the first public performance and/or the first > known > > recording of "Woodstock" by Joni Mitchell. Any input is appreciated. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Bastien > > www.SecondHandSongs.com > > -- > > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehvrt? > > Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:52:37 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: David Hajdu's review of Shine David Hajdu reviewed Shine in the 11/5 issue of the New Republic, available at the jmdl library at http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1800 He praises the music, but faults the album for " the near absence of its author in the words." Odd, because I see the author all over the place. She's still indulging her preoccupations, but this time her preoccupation is with the environment and the overall state of a nation in decline. It's as if Hajdu doesn't want to grant Joni the right to be concerned with anything other than her personal relationships. Oh, and he completely misses the irony in 'If I Had a Heart." Hajdu's a funny guy. He wrote a riveting book, Positively Fourth Street, about Dylan, Baez, and Richard & Mimi Farina. And he wrote a bizarre and stupendously wrongheaded article in the NY Times alleging that lesbians are taking over folk music: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D02E5DD103AF93BA2575BC0A9649C8B63 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:46:33 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #366 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 18:51:00 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #366 In a message dated 11/17/2007 9:56:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Subject: Joni on Charlie Rose Finally watched the video I thought it was fine. Canned somewhat - the hand wringing in front of that beautiful face a distraction ... but Joni was saying what Joni says. I love the bowling, smokin', and cares enough about pool to own her own table Joni. She should just skip the interviews and write her book. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 00:55:58 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni's best recipes Jeannie wrote : The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics are, "Winn-Dixie cold cuts And highway hand me downs," Oh, I just remembered, "There was milk and toast and honey And a bowl of oranges, too ***** And then Rian talked about Banquet. And you know there may be more, mes cheri(e)s! muffins and berries fresh salmon frying scrambled eggs brownies a bag of peaches butterscotch omelets and stews grapes and cheeses ice cream castles her cakes and her breads eggs over easy gristle, gravy, marrow bone, salty soup chocolate bars cold cuts from the fridge And then there is the beverage menu: sweet champagne tea and lemonade cokes Milch of the Madonna (Rhine wine) (a bottle of German wine to drink) Singapore slings gin the band's beers What have I missed? A complete list would be helpful, because the (proud-headed Queen) Lizzie's Curbside Cuisine quick lunch stand owner says she would LOVE to put on a Joni Banquet/Joni Mitchell Food Day in honor of her next birthday, or maybe before. Maybe if I could snag a copy of the JMDL cookbook recently mentioned, and we could use those recipes, too. Is that in our library now? I'll have to check. This will be a really fun project. A field day! Love, Patti P., thinking about what I'd like to have for supper _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGLM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: Hello! It's Bo Hello Wonderful Caring Joni People! The more I read (the Digests), the more I re-read...I'm convinced...we are a family unique. It's getting impossible to express my sorrow for the suffering that is happening and happening and still happening throughout our planet. Then I feel some solace knowing that we are a community not only of devoted Joni people...I just came up with this 'Joni people'...but a community of aware, compassionate, alive and willing to act people. I can't wrap my mind around all the suffering that's continuing and escalating throughout this planet. And I just don't know what to do. The young woman who participated in all the war on poverty and anti-Viet Nam marches...the activist is very much alive and within me. And I thought the 1960's and 1970's were the decades of the most horror since the second world war! Everyone and everything is beckoning us to DO SOMETHING....how can I eat a meal knowing how millions of people are starving? All the examples I can write have the same ending. But, I can do something. And this is it: I offer...go way out of my way...to offer all kinds of help and comfort to the people I know...sometimes strangers...I try to live my values....I only want to offer solace. I have been lucky enough to find some families who need food...clothing...school supplies...and these items are left "magically" at various front doors. I don't want to be identified. Maintaining dignity of those in need is absolutely what I strive towards. I'm rambling...sorry....I really wanted to write some of my reactions to the Charlie Rose/ Joni interview. I watched every move, every gesture, every glance that Joni may have been making toward a camera..who knows...and I sat back and really thought about Joni and her public life. Joni conducted herself in such a way that any royal family of any country would welcome. It was so clear to me that Joni caught on to Charlie Rose...within a second...yet she spoke so sincerely. She tried with such vigor to answer a series of dumb questions to the best of her ability. She showed a graciousness that was a marvel. I thought, well if Joni was much younger she may have just pulled off the mike and left. I was in awe of her generosity. Here I was seeing polar opposites in motion. Charlie read a bunch of questions that were on the level of a tabloid magazine and it was so obvious that he could care less about being with Joni, having the amazing opportunity to ask Joni questions...oh I could just go on and on and on. But Joni demonstrated such humility and complete sincerity. Of course, I could imagine that Joni was controlling herself by covering her mouth, moving her arms and hands almost like a coat of armor. She hardly smiled. I didn't hear her equating herself to Picasso or Nietzsche..she said "we are kindred" and then Charlie rambled on so Joni was left without the chance of completing her thought...communicating her thought. Charlie Rose didn't react with ANY authenticity to ANYTHING that Joni said. Much of what Joni said just flew over this guy's head. And then I studied Joni's eyes...without any facial movement...without any real eye movement, she spoke a thousand words. Her eyes...they reflected her thoughts...they communicated, to me at least, that what the interview was showing was all the reasons for Joni's disdain of the music business....all the crap that being an icon creates. It was as though she and Charlie were doing a role-play. I want to thank Marion or Jeannie for giving us the link to the interview...I never would have seen it. As I listened to Joni I realized that she was trying to explain her experience with the creative process...how "Bad Dreams" was the first song with lyrics etc. Joni told every listener that you have to live long enough to gain the knowledge that will continuously forms our values and philosophy. I'm so sorry I keep rambling on but I think Joni was at her very authentic best....she was living her values....she was being enormously kind. And Mark, I agree with you so much when you wrote "I guess we need to embrace our differences and embrace each other." I think we do just that within our Digest family. I believe Joni, with her gracious kindness, would agree with you as well. I just remembered the beginning of a poem I wrote when I was 11 years old...funny, what comes to your mind...it was "How can they act like that? Free from guilt, free from despair?" Oh well, thank you for letting me go on and on... You all have my love....I mean it...not just a string of words. Bo - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #466 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------