From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #464 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 17 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 464 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Tavis Video ["Marian Russell" ] Re: james taylor on tavis ["Marian Russell" ] Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention ["Marian Russell" ] Joni on Charlie [] Re : Thanksgiving NJC [rian afriadi ] My habit -- NJC [rian afriadi ] Re: Joni and Jewel. Now becomes NJC. [rian afriadi ] Re: Tavis Video [Bob Muller ] Re: My habit -- NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Retro Covers, Volume 20 [Bob Muller ] NJC another top 100 list [Chuck Eisenhardt ] [none] [Michel BYRNE ] Joni & Charlie Rose [Bob Muller ] Re: Tavis Video ["Ahmed Shoukry" ] Re: debate, njc [SweetbirdUR@aol.com] Re: Tavis Video [Bob Muller ] Re: From Bo [SweetbirdUR@aol.com] NJC Book carving [Bob Muller ] Re: debate, njc [Jeannie ] Re: Joni and Jewel. Now becomes NJC. [Jeannie ] Joni on Charlie Rose ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention [Michael Paz ] Art appreciation - NJC ["hell" ] Re: Art appreciation - NJC/ emz' flashback, a recollection OT [Em ] Re: Gibson Robot guitar njc ["Randy Remote" ] Charlie Rose URL ["Barbara Stewart" ] Joni and Jewel, then Stevie Wonder, now sjc? [Patti Parlette ] SV: Rose Blows... ["Marion Leffler" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:01:51 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Tavis Video Try this, Ahmed: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/video/ (click on the photo of Joni) Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ahmed Shoukry" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: Tavis Video > Hey all, > > I was just wondering if it is possible for anyone to upload a video of the > interview, I'm afraid we don't get PBS in Egypt... > > And Shine is just amazing ... :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:07:11 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: james taylor on tavis Kate, the page of the same link that I sent to Ahmed has a link for the extended interview with James Taylor! If you click on the Joni picture, the JT extended interview link is on the left. I don't know how long it will be there. I am starting to watch it now. I think the video of Joni there is only the 2 minute one, unfortunately. http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/video/ Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:28 AM Subject: james taylor on tavis > Another WOW. I've always loved James self effacing sense of humor but > this > time he went way deep. What a beautiful man, mind, soul. He's always > been > one of the best interviews I've seen, this time taking it to a really > incredible place. I would love to send this to someone who has always > loved > JT who I think will be inspired by this interview. If anyone finds a > link, > please let me know. Many thanks, Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:58:40 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention If only I could!! You must let us all know what you think of it, Michael. Which Joni song are you planning to try first??? Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Paz" To: "Marian Russell" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention > You know I feel them same way Marian. Who wants to tune tune tune when > you can play play play. Come on over next week and try out my new VG-99. > > Love > > Pa > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Nov 14, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Marian Russell wrote: > > from the article: > > <<'But the announcement has already created a backlash among some, who > call it "lazy" and predict the fine art of guitar tuning by trained > ears could be lost if the technology spreads.'>> > > What rubbish! People who can tune things will still be able to tune > things and probably wouldn't need a guitar like this anyway, except > that, like the VG-8, it could enable them to switch from one tuning to > another more quickly than if they had to do manually. From the little > promotional video that Mark sent a link to earlier, however, you still > have to push buttons and look at lights, so the VG-8 is still faster - > just not as compact as having it all inside the guitar - and more > versatile - the VG-8 has more sounds and nearly infinite tuning > possibilities with a range of +24 and -24 half tones away from > standard tuning. > > Marian > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:23 PM > Subject: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention > > >> http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_16738.aspx >> >> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:24:54 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose I didn't get to see this show but will see if I can watch it online. I've not been very impressed with CR's interviewing skills as he seems to wrapped up in his own self & expressing his own knowledge rather than showing an interest in his guest. I never received the digest $462 where this may have been discussed so if anyone can forward it to me, I'd really appreciate it! Thanks, Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:03:24 -0800 From: Subject: Joni on Charlie Just watched the upload on the Charlie Rose website and it is luckily just the Joni segment. I thought it was short and sweet and that maybe the shortness of the interview had more to do with Joni's choice than Charlie's. I had this funny feeling that maybe she would not agree to go longer than that without a cigarette! Her hand wringing also seemed to perhaps be nicotine deprivation induced ;-) Also am starting to think Joni may be giving her interviewers a pre-set list of approved questions and that is why the answers so often seem the same. It's a common practice for celebs, politicians (cough) and others when agreeing to being interviewed or on a talk show. So I don't blame Charlie - but would love to see him do a whole hour with her somewhere where she could, ahem, be more herself ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:56:39 -0800 (PST) From: rian afriadi Subject: Re : Thanksgiving NJC Lesli wrote: do you international listers have anything like thanksgiving in your countries? where the family gathers, traditional foods are eaten, and businesses close? We Indonesians do not have a special day like thanksgiving, but in our culture, specially my ethnic (Sunda) (INA has more than 500 ethnics), family is very important for us, so we gather a lot. The gatherings are not just attended by nuclear family, but also by extended family, and sometimes, by our neighbors too. Traditional foods are always served. But these gatherings are not very special since theyre too often. The special ones : of course Idul Fitri, Idul Adha (for muslims); Christmas, Easter (for christians); Waisak (for buddhists), a few days before/after Nyepi (for hindus), imlek (for chinese), and some other non-religious holidays. Rian. NP. Shawn Colvin  Sunny Came Home - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:57:18 -0800 (PST) From: rian afriadi Subject: My habit -- NJC This is what i do everytime i buy a CD. 1. Rip the CD 2. Make 2 duplicates of that CD. One for CD player, one for Rians Dads Toyota. I never play the original CD, so technically, all of my CDs are virgins. I wonder if theres someone out there who has a habit like this... Rian. NP. Sex Kills, TI version (again and again and again and again) (yes, i blame Marian for this) :-) - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:58:28 -0800 (PST) From: rian afriadi Subject: Re: Joni and Jewel. Now becomes NJC. So Marian, you bought her book of poems? One TV show (i forgot the name, maybe an MTV or VH1 or MuchMusic product) said that the poems are awful, specially the one that talks about sausages. Ill be so happy if you post the poem about the sausages if you have read the book. So itll be clear which one is awful : the poem or the review. Rian. NP. Sunny Sunday. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 00:03:57 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Retro Covers, Volume 20 Thanks again for the catch up, Bob. I'm starting to warm to the jazz instrumental covers of Joni's songs now since Herbie's album. River - The Joni Letters has been on high rotation in my CD player and I'm developing an ear for instrumental interpretations. I am also very impressed by Ian Shaw. I wasn't aware of this one (Furry Sings The Blues). I'm fast becoming a fan of his now too. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:06:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Tavis Video Ahmed, here's 10 minutes' worth. Very enjoyable, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y16QSarjptA Glad you're enjoying Shine too - my wife's uncle is in town for the weekend and we were visiting last night with him and talking about new films & movies, sports and the like (Patti, I was thinking about you as I was watching Memphis hand it to your Huskies - they tried to keep it going there for awhile). Anyway, he's a big jazz fan and likes Joni too, I should have thought to bring Herbie for him to enjoy. I'll bet he buys it though after I told him about it. I was also talking Shine up, but that didn't excite him much because even though he likes her, he was really put off by T'log. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Golden Slumbers" - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:12:26 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: My habit -- NJC 1. Rip it to my hard drive. 2. Make a copy of it, including the cover artwork. I copy it on my Philips burner while I listen to it, thumb through the inserts, read the liner notes & lyrics (if I CAN see them). 3. Convert the tracks to mp3's and load them on a disc that I drive with (typically can get 10-12 cd's worth of tunes on a disc. 4. Sell the original CD on ebay, so I can get money back and start the process all over again. I don't re-sell any of my Joni's, though. Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "The Evil Eye" - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:16:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Retro Covers, Volume 20 Thanks Mark - after I posted that #20 was all instrumentals I saw the Cedar Walton/Ian Shaw track and had a Homer Simpson "D'oh!" moment, but it's definitely jazz. This one is NOT on his tribute CD, it was off an earlier CD that he did with Walton. I've always dug him, he tries to bring something fresh to all the Joni songs he tackles. Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "The EMployment Pages" - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:26:25 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: NJC another top 100 list Here's another ho-hum listener survey of our favorite folkies. WUMB is NPR and streams at wumb.org. (They have a great Saturday morning program called 'Highway 61 Revisited' which is all 60's gems, the great and the forgotten. Interesting list..capricious, but t gets Dylan positioned correctly, and Joni wolud have been #2 if not for the rabid, ballot-box-stuffing Cheryl Wheeler fans....(I'm sorry, 'Arrow' is just *not* the best song ever written, and she stole the 'blue TV screen light' from guess who?) http://wumb.org/programs/top100_2007.php now playing on WUMB: 'Turn, Turn, Turn' the Pete version ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:39:11 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: [none] Lesli, of course you're right! It's Tina sings on Herbie's album. Between hearing the interview and getting down to mail my mind swapped R&B singers, knowing J's friendship with Chaka. Apologies, and thanks for the correction! M _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:56:58 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni & Charlie Rose Just watched the archived interview, I don't see what the fuss is about, I liked it just fine. Charlie, like Tavis, like almost everyone who interviews her (David Dye would be a big exception) doesn't have the depth of knowledge that we do but he did seem to have a sincere interest, and he was courteous and all that. Joni said some of the same ol' same ol' but there was some new data there too. Did anyone except me notice that she erroneously stated that the newer BSN was from T'log? She definitely looked great and seemed upbeat. Bob NP: Jonatha Brooke, "Secrets & Lies" - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:06:59 +0200 From: "Ahmed Shoukry" Subject: Re: Tavis Video Hey Bob, many thanks for this. Do you have any idea if the full show is available online? thanks... Ps, i love night of the iguana. Sounds like nothing else in the music biz... On 11/17/07, Bob Muller wrote: > Ahmed, here's 10 minutes' worth. Very enjoyable, > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y16QSarjptA > > Glad you're enjoying Shine too - my wife's uncle is in town for the weekend > and we were visiting last night with him and talking about new films & > movies, sports and the like (Patti, I was thinking about you as I was > watching Memphis hand it to your Huskies - they tried to keep it going there > for awhile). > > Anyway, he's a big jazz fan and likes Joni too, I should have thought to > bring Herbie for him to enjoy. I'll bet he buys it though after I told him > about it. I was also talking Shine up, but that didn't excite him much > because even though he likes her, he was really put off by T'log. > > Bob > > NP: The Beatles, "Golden Slumbers" > > > --------------------------------- > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. - -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:14:59 EST From: SweetbirdUR@aol.com Subject: Re: debate, njc Eric wrote: > I have always adored Hillary and America desperately needs her as its next > President!!! > Hi Eric, I'm sitting here wearing my Hillary Clinton President 2008 t-shirt about to go to an Arkansas Razorback game to work a concession stand all day to make $ for my son's high school band. I think I'll be better received than when I wore it in Ohio and visited Bree. She was fantastic in the debate. She's all there and has such great vision. Let her intelligence and charisma flower to the people! Madame President!!! The Times They Are A Changin' Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Tavis Video Well, suffice to say that if I knew of a link that gave you the whole show I would have sent that one instead. It looks like, for now, the choices we have are the 2-minute & 10-minute ones. I thought it was pretty cool too and look forward to seeing the whole thing. NOTI is definitely one of "Shine-ing Stars" too. Bob NP: Laura Nyro, "Art of Love" - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:22:01 EST From: SweetbirdUR@aol.com Subject: Re: From Bo H E Y O Y O Y L O L E B H O Great to hear from you!!! Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:05:39 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Book carving Here's another art form Joni could tackle - book carving. Very different-looking. http://centripetalnotion.com/2007/09/13/13:26:26/ Bob, heading off for Saturday chores and running NP: Ani, "Wrong With Me" - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:03:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: debate, njc Hi, Laura. I remember distinctly when Bree mentioned that you had been flicked off for wearing a Hillary t-shirt. I've been meaning to ask for quite sometime where Bree is. The last time I e-mailed her to ask where she had been, she said, "Watching Fox TV News." ;} She can make me laugh like no other with her hilarity! If you hear from Bree, tell her, "Peace and Greetings," from me, Jeannie! SweetbirdUR@aol.com wrote: Eric wrote: > I have always adored Hillary and America desperately needs her as its next > President!!! > Hi Eric, I'm sitting here wearing my Hillary Clinton President 2008 t-shirt about to go to an Arkansas Razorback game to work a concession stand all day to make $ for my son's high school band. I think I'll be better received than when I wore it in Ohio and visited Bree. She was fantastic in the debate. She's all there and has such great vision. Let her intelligence and charisma flower to the people! Madame President!!! The Times They Are A Changin' Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com nj ' - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:44:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Joni and Jewel. Now becomes NJC. I'm curious to hear a poem written by Jewel concerning, 'Sausages.' I don't want to make an inference to food like I did concerning Joni's words, "I'm a pretty good cook I'm sitting on my groceries Come up to my kitchen I'll show you my best recipe I try and I try but I can't save a cent I'm up after midnight Trying to make my rent I'm rough but I'm pleasin' I was raised on robbery" ~joni~ And it's about a prostitute. And since about '73 or '74, I really thought it was a free-wheeling girl who was just a good cook, UNTIL, Bob told me what, "sitting on my groceries really meant." So, that's why I'm interested to know if Jewel is talking about food and I'll keep my reservations this time before I make a judgement. The only reference to food that I recall Joni makes in her lyrics are, "Winn-Dixie cold cuts And highway hand me downs," on one of my favorite, peaceful, keep on truckin' so soft and strong songs of all times, 'Refuge Of The Roads.' Oh, I just remembered, "There was milk and toast and honey And a bowl of oranges, too And the sun poured in like butterscotch And stuck to all my senses." ~joni~ Joni's really painting with words right there and it's so sensuous and lovely with all these colorful images concocted in my head. I love Joni's poems and lyrics. Love, Jeannie I try and I tryj rian afriadi wrote: So Marian, you bought her book of poems? One TV show (i forgot the name, maybe an MTV or VH1 or MuchMusic product) said that the poems are awful, specially the one that talks about sausages. Ill be so happy if you post the poem about the sausages if you have read the book. So itll be clear which one is awful : the poem or the review. Rian. NP. Sunny Sunday. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. nj ' - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:43:56 -0500 From: voxpopular@aol.com Subject: Re: Tavis Smiley transcript and i love chaka..., and high coups No, Lesli, it's not your head cold, and your ears have not deceived you.B Joni clearly says, "Tina sings. Oh, I love Tina," pretty likely referring to, since she and Tavis were discussing Herbie Hancock, "Edith And The Kingpin," which Tina TurnerB sings on Herbie's "River." As for "high coup," sure Tavis knows what haiku are... The transcriber?B Not so certain.B ;) bKC From: WATTS, LESLI Sent: Fri 11/16/2007 12:56 PM To: Michel BYRNE Subject: RE: Tavis Smiley transcript and i love chaka.... and high coups funny.. we all hear different things when joni speaks. i thought she said: tina, i love tina". but then again i've been battling a head cold. heart is singing but ears are ringing in california. and haiku....i think he knew exactly what a haiku was. Tavis: - that's a long high coup (laughter). Mitchell: (Laughter) Tavis: Oxymoronic, I know. - -----Original Message----- From: WATTS, LESLI To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 1:17 pm Subject: FW: Tavis Smiley transcript and i love chaka..., and high coups funny.. we all hear different things when joni speaks. i thought she said: tina, i love tina". but then again i've been battling a head cold. heart is singing but ears are ringing in california. and haiku....i think he knew exactly what a haiku was. Tavis: - that's a long high coup (laughter). Mitchell: (Laughter) Tavis: Oxymoronic, I know. joni must have liked him quite a bit. a totally reliable source said that tavis and a few of his entourage had dinner at joni's the day after the show. wow! lesli . From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of Michel BYRNE Sent: Fri 11/16/2007 6:14 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Tavis Smiley transcript and Dancin Clown Thanks to Marianne for correcting the funny misreading in the transcript - 'high coup' for 'haiku'. What's omitted in the transcript too is Joni exclaiming 'And Chaka! I love Chaka!' when discussing the Herbie Hancock album - - it's sort of lost in the exchange and Tavis didn't pick up on it. _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:55:23 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose njc I call all of it art, even if I personally get nothing from it. How much respect it gets is a matter of opinion. The artists themselves have little influence on that. Slightly related: Years ago The National Art Gallery of Canada bought a Barnett Newman painting called Voice of Fire. It's 20 feet high an consists of three vertical bands of colour. Apparently the art world decided this was worth 1.8 million dollars because that's what my government payed for it. Most people, other than taxpayers, thought it was a joke. If somebody is inspired by this thing, thats good, I just wish it hadn't come out of my taxes. I think Joni needs to expand her own horizons. She's been spending too much time couped up in her cabin writing high coups. (sorry about that!) Doug Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: > Hmm. But you can hardly call Fergie or Gwen Stefani or 50 Cent > art. Sure, it may cause a reaction in some people--mainly dancing at > a club or whatever it may be, but it sure doesn't deserve to be called > art. I can't even imagine Fergie (I really hate her music so I'll use > her as an example gladly) even TRYING to call her music a work of > art. It's got a different purpose--it's for young kids or young > adults to dance to. That's it and I'm sure some of the people who > make music like that know it and are fine with it. Not everyone like > Joni (and others!), want to expand horizons, grow musically, make a > statement, etc etc. That's fine too. > -Monika > > */Doug /* wrote: > > I thought she hesitated just when she was about to tell Charlie > how her > music is High Art as opposed to all that other scuzzy popular > music out > there, > which is pretty much what she said to Tavis and many others. This is > where I have a fundamental difference with her. She seems to think > there is > Good Art and bad art (defined by whom?). I feel that art and music > is a > form of communication, and if the artist can cause a reaction in an > audience, > it's art. End of story. > > Doug > > > > > Jeannie wrote: > > > > She mentally hesitated a couple of times with his weird energy > towards her. Maybe he doesn't get it?! I thought he was more > intelligent than that! Obviously, not the way I thought he was! > And last night he proved it. > > > > Maybe he was intimidated with Joni's ultimate grace that flows > with Nature and not the Fall TV show ratings. > > > > Jeannie > > > > > > > > ***** > > > > Brian Miller: > > I have been a fan of most of your shows for over thirteen years now. > > This evening's interview with Artist Joni Mitchell however seemed > > almost a slap in the face, both to her and to your viewers. It > didn't > > seem to me as though the interview was at all well prepared or > that you > > were sincerely interested or informed as to her accomplishments and > > contributions to the art form. So very little, preceeded by such > > endless blatherng on about the Fall television line up. > > (I mean really -- who cares?) What a truly bizarre and somehow > ironic > > program. Just the sort of thing Ms. Mitchell might have been > inclined > > to write or sing about at one time in her career. (Tavis Smiley > gave us > > much more of Ms. Mitchell on Nov. 9, for those who are interested.) > > > > ***** > > > > > http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/11/15/2/a-conversation-with-musician-joni-mitchell > > > > Yeah, Charlie, why'd ya have to be so jive? You kept looking at > your notes and hardly connected with Joni at all, it seemed. > HELLO! Show a little interest! You're sitting with a genius and > you don't even know it. You don't "get her" like Tavis does. > Surely Joni felt that vibe, because she kept twisting up her > impossibly gentle hands into knots and covering her mouth. And she > hardly laughed at all. I could feel her discomfort. > > > > Maybe it wasn't that bad; it was very late when I walked in. > I'll have to watch it again. Pardonnez-moi for being critical and > negative on this -- that's so "not me" (except for, of course, > when it comes to the Bush administration ). > > > > Oh well. As she said: "You can't please 'em all." > > > > But she pleases *us*! And herself. And that's what counts. > > > > Love, > > > > Patti P. > > > > NPIMH (sorry, Bob!) > > > > In my midnight confessions/impressions > > When I tell all the world that I love you, Joni! > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at > last. Get it now. > > > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 > > > > > > > > > > nj > > > > ' > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! > Mail. See how. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See > how. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:02:08 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Joni on Charlie Rose Finally watched the video and I must say, I agree with the people who didn't like it. Joni seemed far from relaxed, her speech was not as fluent as usual, she seemed tense and even nervous to me. Charlie Rose interrupted her all the time, never let her finish her line of thought and didn't seem that interested. I felt there were some bad vibrations between the two, they just didn't hit it off. So watching this I had an uneasy feeling in my stomach, the kind you get when you expect something embarrassing to happen any minute, like when you listen to someone who is about to make a fool of him/herself. Not good! Sorry it went down that way. It's not every day we get to watch Joni on tv or video, so yes, I am disappointed, too. Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:08:52 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention You know me. It will probably be Song For Sharon. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Nov 17, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Marian Russell wrote: If only I could!! You must let us all know what you think of it, Michael. Which Joni song are you planning to try first??? Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Paz" To: "Marian Russell" Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention > You know I feel them same way Marian. Who wants to tune tune tune when > you can play play play. Come on over next week and try out my new > VG-99. > > Love > > Pa > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > > > > > On Nov 14, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Marian Russell wrote: > > from the article: > > <<'But the announcement has already created a backlash among some, who > call it "lazy" and predict the fine art of guitar tuning by trained > ears could be lost if the technology spreads.'>> > > What rubbish! People who can tune things will still be able to tune > things and probably wouldn't need a guitar like this anyway, except > that, like the VG-8, it could enable them to switch from one tuning to > another more quickly than if they had to do manually. From the little > promotional video that Mark sent a link to earlier, however, you still > have to push buttons and look at lights, so the VG-8 is still faster - > just not as compact as having it all inside the guitar - and more > versatile - the VG-8 has more sounds and nearly infinite tuning > possibilities with a range of +24 and -24 half tones away from > standard tuning. > > Marian > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:23 PM > Subject: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention > > >> http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_16738.aspx >> >> Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:15:51 -0800 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: JT on Tavis links (and Joni too) Hi Kate, More unaired footage even, as well as the 26 minute interview is here: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200711/20071116.html and while we're at it, looks like only a bit of video, (but a really *good* bit!) and the entire audio from the Joni Tavis interview is here: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200711/20071109.html Cheers! ~Richard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 12:48:54 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Rose Blows... So - I've never watched Charlie before - and boy did I think that sucked. He kept cutting her off - at one point going as far as to say "talk about." - - quickly steering her onto the next point he wanted covered as opposed to listening to what she had to say. Something else crossed my mind here though - and my apologies if it's already been brought up - but Charlie didn't let Joni smoke. Which as far as I can tell is why she's endlessly wringing her hands. it may also be why her interview was shorter and the fall TV blather was extended. "Well, Charlie - if she can smoke she'll do a full 40 minutes." "Nope, she can't - sorry, that's just our policy." "Okay - 15 minutes maximum then." Furthermore, her thinking and delivery aren't as fluid as they normally are.without her coping herb, she runs into a little trouble 'spitting it out'. Joni looks good to me - but I think radiant and gorgoeus is a little far flung. She looks over-blonde, over-tanned and over-tucked. And yes, for a woman as beautiful as she is at the base, it's striking. Her face is becoming more acorn-like - I'm having trouble getting used to it. I wish they could blow her hair and out and spray it a little - more body. It'd frame her face better. make her look even healthier. Travis and CBS were revelations - short, and yet both interviews came across with so much more information. And the way Rose kept looking at the camera coupled with the smug swagger in his voice. anyone got a grenade? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 07:08:21 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Art appreciation - NJC Monika wrote: > Hmm. But you can hardly call Fergie or Gwen Stefani or 50 Cent > art. Sure, it may cause a reaction in some people--mainly > dancing at a club or whatever it may be, but it sure doesn't > deserve to be called art. Yes, it does. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it's not art. This attitude has always really annoyed me. I have friends who don't like Joni's music or lyrics - but that doesn't mean her music is "bad" - just not to their taste. I don't particularly like Beethoven's compositions, but I wouldn't be so narrow-minded or arrogant to say that just because I don't like it, it's not art. I don't particularly like Fergie or Gwen Stefani either (50 Cent, I don't mind) but it's still art, just not to my personal taste. There's no such thing as "good" or "bad" music, just music that appeals to different tastes. The same thing applies to the visual arts, film, poetry, etc. They are all somebody's personal expression, regardless of the intended audience or "purpose". To call someone else's life's work meaningless is pretty insulting, IMO. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:48:27 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Art appreciation - NJC/ emz' flashback, a recollection OT ok I'm gonna 'fess up here, to something extremely *out there*. I kinda like some Gwen Stefani stuff. Its like some funky watermelon bubble gum or something. No! a watermelon Jolly Rancher! certainly not the first candy I would choose, but better than, say, licorice or wax lips. I'd never sit there and listen to it, but as background party music its ok. :) Am listening now to one of my very oldest albums. Am trying to do a thing where I listen to actual CD's instead of iTunes...got side 2 of Jethro Tull's "Passion Play" on. Boy does that sound mighty fine! Nicely produced/mixed album - still sounds good to my fubar old ears. I first got this on vinyl (extravagant packaging!) when I was about 13. (early 70's) I remember being in the record section of this dept store looking for the Tull album, and at that time looking over and seeing the cover of Joan Baez's "Greatest Hits". And was, at that moment, stunned/smitten by her face, let alone her voice. I knew that was the woman who sang "the Night They Drove Ol Dixie Down" and I vaguely knew she was someone I'd heard as a baby when we lived in Gainesville, but not much else about her. But an education was about to begin. So I had to have that album too. sheesh almost just for the pic at that point... What a score! Am not remembering now the details of how I had enough $$ on me at the time to purchase 2 albums. I'm betting I was there with my grandmother, lol, and got her to buy it for me.... ok sorry for the miserable thread hijack...just felt the urge to *share*. Em - --- hell wrote: > Monika wrote: > > > Hmm. But you can hardly call Fergie or Gwen Stefani or 50 Cent > > art. Sure, it may cause a reaction in some people--mainly > > dancing at a club or whatever it may be, but it sure doesn't > > deserve to be called art. > > Yes, it does. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean it's not > art. > This attitude has always really annoyed me. I have friends who don't > like > Joni's music or lyrics - but that doesn't mean her music is "bad" - > just not > to their taste. I don't particularly like Beethoven's compositions, > but I > wouldn't be so narrow-minded or arrogant to say that just because I > don't > like it, it's not art. > > I don't particularly like Fergie or Gwen Stefani either (50 Cent, I > don't > mind) but it's still art, just not to my personal taste. > > There's no such thing as "good" or "bad" music, just music that > appeals to > different tastes. The same thing applies to the visual arts, film, > poetry, > etc. They are all somebody's personal expression, regardless of the > intended audience or "purpose". To call someone else's life's work > meaningless is pretty insulting, IMO. > > Hell > - - - - - - - Emzdogz - a little of the social; a little of the solo. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:48:25 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: debate, njc, now IMPEACH! Gene wrote in part: "i like kucinich's suggestion to impeach bush now." **** Yes, Gene! (He put a quarter in the Wurlitzer, and the thing began to whirr.......) Impeach them both, but let's throw Cheney out first. Please look at this chilling video (it's only the journey of a minute -- sixty seconds full of horror and pure evil). Cheney actually *did* have "a sense of consequence", yet he went ahead and attacked Iraq anyway. That is even worse! http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/424/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=651 Strong and wrong. It makes you feel so feeble now It's so out of hand- Big bombs and barbed wire... Can't you see Our destiny? We are making this Earth Our funeral pyre! ("Oh, that's just George W. Bush burning down the world. All my paintings lately have been Bush bonfires. It's the same as the forest fire in Bambi, with the hideous white hunger." -- JM, speaking about the cover of Dreamland) But please don't feel so feeble now. Aim the hoses on 'em! If you're feeling contempt, well then here's a another place where you can tell it: http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5239&news_iv_ctrl=1041 Sorry to sound like a broken Joni record here (they won't give peace a chance, that was just a dream some of us had....they won't give peace a chance, that was just a dream some of us had.....they won't give peace a chance.....), but we need to stand up and use our voices (the more voices on it the better) or nothing will ever change. We don't need a lesson in survival here, we need to change the world. The world cannot take 13 more months of this living hell. And it can get even worse. What's next? And it's one, two, three What are we fighting for? Don't ask me I *do* give a damn Next stop is Iran I am learning that it takes one-on-one talking to get people to do something. This week I wrote a letter in my finest hand to Nancy Pelosi, sent via Cindy, and got some friends and co-workers to do the same. If someone came into my office and asked for, say, a hi-tech classroom, I'd say: "Sure! Let me call Scheduling. While I'm doing that, why don't you write a quick letter to Pelosi urging impeachment? Don't worry about a stamp. I'll mail it for you." People were *happy* to do it. I think that most just don't take the time. Everyone's in it for their own gain these days, or they just feel helpless and feeble now. Shine on lousy leadership, licensed to kill. Strike every chord that you feel and please don't give up the fight. Cause you've got the fight You've got the insight. Anima rising, singing soprano in the upstairs choir, Patti P. P.S. All glory and honor and praise to Joni for giving us SHINE just at this moment of the world. Sweet inspiration! "Never doubt that a small, group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_112007 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:52:19 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Gibson Robot guitar njc > Is there a way to store them via usb into a puter or something? > > Paz I don't think so-I see no mention of a usb or puter connection http://www.gibson.com/robotguitar/robot-guitar-manual.pdf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:14:46 -0500 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Charlie Rose URL I didn't see a link posted for the Charlie Rose interview. (But I may have skimmed and missed it.) No worry! You can all watch it online at http://www.charlierose.com/home About 20 min. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:32:12 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni and Jewel, then Stevie Wonder, now sjc? All of this talk about Jewel-light now.... I just came upon a little Jewel in my Saturday newspaper. "Singer/songwriter Jewel now lives on a ranch in Texas, but as a teen she spent a year being homeless. And that's why she agreed to be a spokeswoman for National Homeless Youth Awareness Month. In the year she spent living in a van, which she bought by borrowing $1,000 from a friend, it was the "small acts of kindness" that got her through each day, she says. "That's why I put it in one of my songs, 'Hands': 'In the end, only kindness matters.' " Jewel, 33, wants to draw attention to the "heroic people" who are helping kids at the street level and to let homeless youth know that "they're not forgotten."" (Lorrie Lynch, USA Weekend.com) There's wide world of noble causes, and it's nice that Jewel found one. I've always loved that lyric line: "In the end, only kindness matters." (Like the Beatles': "And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love you make.") With love and kind regards, Patti P. P.S. Rian, thanks for the Jewel words on Joni. Stevie Wonder introduced them? Wow! I saw him last Wednesday and he was WONDERful! Truly. The venue was bad (you'd never catch Muller in that big arena!) and the sound not so great, but it was just awesome to be in his presence. He started 45 minutes late and the natives were getting restless, but when he finally came out it was magic and well-worth the wait. He said he had not been feeling well, but that now "it's under control" and he went on to talk a bit. (Some asshole on my right yelled out: "Just SING, will ya?" but thankfully I don't think Stevie heard him.) He told us about "May 31, 2006 -- the saddest day of my life. The day my mother died" and went on to say he was now touring because she told him to get up off his ass and start singing again. He was very endearing. Very real. He then went on to play for 2 1/2 hours non-stop and it was one big interactive party with the crowd. I know he got MY fists pumping when he was *screaming* out "I don't BELIEVE IT!" as he shone his little light on some problems in the world, pleading for peace and justice and to end the war and begging the crowd to do something about the state of the world. Here is a good review for anyone interested: http://www.courant.com/entertainment/music/hc-wonderrev.artnov16,0,70662.story _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:07:07 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: VLJC Joni mention... Well I've finally gotten around to reading Pattie Boyd's semi autobiography about her relationships with George Harrison and Eric Clapton (I'm just on page 109 but will surely be done by the end of the weekend). It took quite a while to get it from the library as there were over a hundred holds on it! Not to mention I had a few other books to get through. Anyway, there was a Joni mention in it. Nothing so fantastic or enlightening but still a little mention. Pattie Boyd and George Harrison rented a place in L.A. and Pattie met Joni while George was out busy. She said while they were in L.A. they had met a lot of "fantastic people." Following that line, she said Joni Mitchell came over one day and invited her to hang out. She said she was great fun and they went to a recording studio of a friend's of hers and a few musicians showed up and they played. Later on she met David Crosby. That's it. Nothing big or grand or anything like that. -Monika - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:39:52 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Rose Blows... Well, I don't know about the smoking - a smoker can actually go without for an hour or so without fidgeting or losing her nerve, so I don't really think that's why Joni appeared tense. (I have been a smoker so I can sympathize). My guess is she just didn't feel comfortable with Charlie. And it made me sad to see Joni let herself be reduced by a smug fellow who used all the classic male strategies to diminish her: cutting her off, displaying disinterest, really letting her know who was in charge here. I wonder how Joni felt after the interview was finished... About her looks - she looked great to me for a 64-year-old woman! Her make-up and hairdo was discrete; Joni would look strange to me with "teased up kind of hair". The colour could be more natural, I agree with you on that one. And her face becoming acorn-like? What do you mean? (Really just asking). Anyway, so what if her age is showing? It's as natural as the weather... Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Christopher Treacy Skickat: den 17 november 2007 18:49 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Rose Blows... So - I've never watched Charlie before - and boy did I think that sucked. He kept cutting her off - at one point going as far as to say "talk about." - - quickly steering her onto the next point he wanted covered as opposed to listening to what she had to say. Something else crossed my mind here though - and my apologies if it's already been brought up - but Charlie didn't let Joni smoke. Which as far as I can tell is why she's endlessly wringing her hands. it may also be why her interview was shorter and the fall TV blather was extended. "Well, Charlie - if she can smoke she'll do a full 40 minutes." "Nope, she can't - sorry, that's just our policy." "Okay - 15 minutes maximum then." Furthermore, her thinking and delivery aren't as fluid as they normally are.without her coping herb, she runs into a little trouble 'spitting it out'. Joni looks good to me - but I think radiant and gorgoeus is a little far flung. She looks over-blonde, over-tanned and over-tucked. And yes, for a woman as beautiful as she is at the base, it's striking. Her face is becoming more acorn-like - I'm having trouble getting used to it. I wish they could blow her hair and out and spray it a little - more body. It'd frame her face better. make her look even healthier. Travis and CBS were revelations - short, and yet both interviews came across with so much more information. And the way Rose kept looking at the camera coupled with the smug swagger in his voice. anyone got a grenade? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #464 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------