From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #463 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 17 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 463 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- FW: Tavis Smiley transcript and i love chaka..., and high coups ["WATTS, ] NJC ohmygod thanksgiving ["WATTS, LESLI" ] Re: Joni on Charlie Rose [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni on Charlie Rose ["Marian Russell" ] Re: debate, njc ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Gibson Robot guitar [Michael Paz ] Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention [Michael Paz ] Re: From Bo [Peep Richman ] Re: Craving simplicity [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni on Charlie Rose [Michael Flaherty ] Retro Covers, Volume 20 [Bob Muller ] The Emergence of Joni Mitchell on NPR [Doug ] Re: Joni on Charlie Rose [Doug ] Re: Gibson Robot guitar njc ["Randy Remote" ] njc, JT on Tavis Smiley tonight [Patti Parlette ] Re: Gibson Robot guitar njc [Michael Paz ] Re: debate, njc ["gene" ] Re: Joni on Charlie Rose ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni on Charlie Rose [Jeannie ] Re: The Emergence of Joni Mitchell on NPR ["Randy Remote" ] Re: debate, njc ["Eric Taylor" ] Joni dream ["Marian Russell" ] Re: Joni dream [Michael Paz ] james taylor on tavis ["Kate Bennett" ] Tavis Video ["Ahmed Shoukry" ] Re: Joni and Jewel ["Marian Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:17:07 -0800 From: "WATTS, LESLI" Subject: FW: Tavis Smiley transcript and i love chaka..., and high coups ________________________________ From: WATTS, LESLI Sent: Fri 11/16/2007 12:56 PM To: Michel BYRNE Subject: RE: Tavis Smiley transcript and i love chaka..., and high coups funny.. we all hear different things when joni speaks. i thought she said: tina, i love tina". but then again i've been battling a head cold. heart is singing but ears are ringing in california. and haiku....i think he knew exactly what a haiku was. Tavis: - that's a long high coup (laughter). Mitchell: (Laughter) Tavis: Oxymoronic, I know. joni must have liked him quite a bit. a totally reliable source said that tavis and a few of his entourage had dinner at joni's the day after the show. wow! lesli . From: owner-joni@smoe.org on behalf of Michel BYRNE Sent: Fri 11/16/2007 6:14 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Tavis Smiley transcript and Dancin Clown Thanks to Marianne for correcting the funny misreading in the transcript - 'high coup' for 'haiku'. What's omitted in the transcript too is Joni exclaiming 'And Chaka! I love Chaka!' when discussing the Herbie Hancock album - - it's sort of lost in the exchange and Tavis didn't pick up on it. _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:16:34 -0800 From: "WATTS, LESLI" Subject: NJC ohmygod thanksgiving geez - i didn't realize that thanksgiving was this thursday! i thought it was the last thursday in november, but no it's the 4th thursday! it's one of my favorite holidays, lovely, just sharing a good meal and goodwill, but i sure need to scramble. oh brother! do you international listers have anything like thanksgiving in your countries? where the family gathers, traditional foods are eaten, and businesses close? i know canadians celebrate thanksgiving too, but earlier than americans. lesli ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:31:29 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose I admit I was underwhelmed by the interview as well. First off, it was too short. Lucky for me I taped it on my DVR so I had the liberty of fast forwarding through everything until Joni came on. Secondly, it seemed Charlie Rose was too intent on getting through his questions rather than engaging in a conversation with Joni. He said, "talk about Shine or tell me about Shine" and asked about the first track. Joni started talking about Gratitude changing into "One Week Last Summer" (which is where I would have asked if I were conducting the interview, "why did you change the title to One Week Last Summer?") and then a bit about This Place and you could tell she was in the middle of her thoughts on the album when he almost interrupted asking about the Ballet. She wasn't finished Charlie! It seemed he did this quite a bit. Third off, it was basically the same ol' questions which in turn Joni gave the same answers. I mean, how many times can she answer why she didn't make an original album in ten years? You know what I mean? So there are the shadows to the interview but let me shed a little light. First off, it was great to see Joni on another talk show though. Of course, she didn't seem as comfortable on this one as on Tavis Smiley. These last appearances Joni has made were the first times I've seen Joni on an interview at the time they were taped, not years later! Quite exciting for me personally. Secondly, I did really like one question he asked. Sure, it wasn't an original question as I've seen it in print with other artists/celebrities but I don't think I've read anyone asking Joni it. I liked his question on who she wished she could have met. I loved her answer as well (Picasso and Nietzsche, Nietzsche had lots of great ideas you know). Last but not least, I loved the brief clips they showed of Joni performing and of the ballet. You have to see it to believe it. -Monika Jeannie wrote: Thanks for bringing up for us what Mr. Brian Miller wrote on the Charlie Rose.com, Patti. He was right on, concerning those blah, blah, blah, bumbling prime time channel season television show executives. So boring and they sounded off as tinkling cymbals and pounding brass, even though I wasn't listening. They were just there in front of my face. They put me in a bad mood and I was saying out loud, "Shut the freaking hell up, already--I can't take these fluffy-wuffy bull crap conversations over my television set as I'm waiting for Joni to come on!" I mean, are there actually intelliegent folk out there who view Charlie Rose's show as better than most, only to listen to who's doing what and what is going on, on ABC, NBC and CBS? I thought, "Is Charlie Rose genius enough to put these blabbering men right before Joni, just as a contrast, between the shadows and the lights? Or is he oblivious to it all?" Charlie Rose seemed to be right at home with those guys and out of touch with our Joan. She mentally hesitated a couple of times with his weird energy towards her. Maybe he doesn't get it?! I thought he was more intelligent than that! Obviously, not the way I thought he was! And last night he proved it. Maybe he was intimidated with Joni's ultimate grace that flows with Nature and not the Fall TV show ratings. Jeannie ***** Brian Miller: I have been a fan of most of your shows for over thirteen years now. This evening's interview with Artist Joni Mitchell however seemed almost a slap in the face, both to her and to your viewers. It didn't seem to me as though the interview was at all well prepared or that you were sincerely interested or informed as to her accomplishments and contributions to the art form. So very little, preceeded by such endless blatherng on about the Fall television line up. (I mean really -- who cares?) What a truly bizarre and somehow ironic program. Just the sort of thing Ms. Mitchell might have been inclined to write or sing about at one time in her career. (Tavis Smiley gave us much more of Ms. Mitchell on Nov. 9, for those who are interested.) ***** http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/11/15/2/a-conversation-with-musician-joni-mitchell Yeah, Charlie, why'd ya have to be so jive? You kept looking at your notes and hardly connected with Joni at all, it seemed. HELLO! Show a little interest! You're sitting with a genius and you don't even know it. You don't "get her" like Tavis does. Surely Joni felt that vibe, because she kept twisting up her impossibly gentle hands into knots and covering her mouth. And she hardly laughed at all. I could feel her discomfort. Maybe it wasn't that bad; it was very late when I walked in. I'll have to watch it again. Pardonnez-moi for being critical and negative on this -- that's so "not me" (except for, of course, when it comes to the Bush administration ). Oh well. As she said: "You can't please 'em all." But she pleases *us*! And herself. And that's what counts. Love, Patti P. NPIMH (sorry, Bob!) In my midnight confessions/impressions When I tell all the world that I love you, Joni! _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 nj ' - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:51:17 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose Well, the interview has finally been posted. I don't really understand what everyone is making such a fuss about. He seemed much friendlier to and even interested in Joni and much more personable than he seemed in his interview with Jewel, and Joni didn't seem uncomfortable at all. I find it interesting to watch her and to hear whatever she has to say. I've never heard her equate herself to Picasso and Nietzsche before - that was a first. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:00:43 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: debate, njc >>I was impressed with all of the Democratic candidates, last night. May the best woman/man win! I can't bare anymore breathtaking ignorance and stupid arrogance coming from Bush, Cheney, and their prime-time-crime clan... You're out of touch, ol' oilmen You poor, old fashioned cowboys I said, Mr. President and Mr. Vice President Y'all are out of time. You're obsolete, you ol' dirty and greasy, greedy and ugly oilmen!! No doubt about it! Jean>> It was indeed impressive. I wish Richardson and Biden were doing better in the polls because both would make a great President. While I agree with everything Kucinich says he just seems too angry and is totally unelectable. Edwards is starting to get on my nerves. He sounds like he's speaking to a jury all the time. I don't see any 'charisma' in Obama and he seems a little too nice and inexperienced to be President. Dodd is too old school. I'll never forgive Dodd for forcing Bill Clinton to compromise with the stupid 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' policy back in 1993. But Hillary blew them all away yet again! I loved her answer to the question: "Which do you prefer, diamonds or pearls?" She laughed and responded something like: "Well some people accuse me of liking to have things both ways but I actually prefer both!" I have always adored Hillary and America desperately needs her as its next President!!! Re: >>ol' dirty and greasy, greedy and ugly oilmen<< I feel that Joni is directly addressing Bush and Cheney in Bad Dreams~ 'You cannot be trusted / do you even know you're lying? It's dangerous to kid yourself / you go deaf and dumb and blind. You take with such entitlement / you give bad attitude. You have no grace, no empathy, no gratitude. You have no sense of consequence / oh my head is in my hands... Bad dreams are good in the great plan.' Both beasts are megalomaniacs who believe some vain old God wants them to start Armageddon. Their heads are in their ass! God help America. ET ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:17:46 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gibson Robot guitar This guitar looks really cool, but it does not say weather you can make your own presets for Joni tunings. The sound of the guitar is that of a normal Les Paul (one sound only) the VG-8 has umteen sounds of acoustics, electrics, dobro, banjo, mandolin, basses, and synth sounds. It also has on board effects (which Joni likes alot things like Chorus and Delay and reverb) that make it sound very processed. I just purchased the new VG-99 before I came out on this tour so I have not had a chance to crack the box. I have been reading the manual and it is an incredible box. Of course the sounds are greatly improved and more programming available on All levels. It also interfaces directly with your Mac or PC and you can store your edited sounds and banks of sounds on the computer. can't wait to get home and plug in my Parker and get rolling programming my Joni tunings. I will post on this again and let you guys know what is happening. Thanks for posting about the Robot Gibson. Paz in Mexico DF Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Nov 15, 2007, at 10:38 AM, c Karma wrote: I don't think it's going to replace the VG-8 for Joni, although it's likely that something else has by now. Joni's system made use of the ultra light Parker Fly to ameliorate the pain from her post polio syndrome. I'd bet that the Gibson Robot is heavier than a standard axe due to the mechanical complexity. Even with all the microprocessors, it's physically tuning the strings. I'm sure that the sound will be less artificial than the Fly/VG-8 since the strings will maintain their mechanically sonorous qualities. The available tunings seem limited, and don't begin to approach the quantity that Joni might use in a single performance, if such a blessed event will ever occur again. If the tunings are customizable this guitar might serve her well in the studio, but I can't see her standing and wearing it for hours at a time. CC _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:19:20 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention You know I feel them same way Marian. Who wants to tune tune tune when you can play play play. Come on over next week and try out my new VG-99. Love Pa Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Nov 14, 2007, at 12:32 PM, Marian Russell wrote: from the article: <<'But the announcement has already created a backlash among some, who call it "lazy" and predict the fine art of guitar tuning by trained ears could be lost if the technology spreads.'>> What rubbish! People who can tune things will still be able to tune things and probably wouldn't need a guitar like this anyway, except that, like the VG-8, it could enable them to switch from one tuning to another more quickly than if they had to do manually. From the little promotional video that Mark sent a link to earlier, however, you still have to push buttons and look at lights, so the VG-8 is still faster - just not as compact as having it all inside the guitar - and more versatile - the VG-8 has more sounds and nearly infinite tuning possibilities with a range of +24 and -24 half tones away from standard tuning. Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: Robot Guitar News story w/Joni mention > http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_16738.aspx > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:37:42 EST From: SweetbirdUR@aol.com Subject: Re: edwards, njc Edwards is really Bobby Sherman. He changed his name, cut his hair, and quit wearing girly clothes and jewelry... but he doesn't fool me. See for yourselves: http://www.bobbyshermanfanclub.net/photogallery/bobby-3.html ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: rian afriadi Subject: Joni and Jewel. Marian wrote >>>>However, when I first went to the site to try to find it, one of the things that came up rather prominently as an option was an interview of Jewel. I don't really know her or her music, but since she has been compared to Joni in the past, +++++ Jewel is another good musician who is highly influenced by Joni (she said that). I have her first 4 albums (she has released 5). And now, after knowing Joni, i listened to those 4 albums again as if i had not heard them before. And yes. I think her first 2 albums were intended to be another Blue album. Specially her first album, Pieces of Me, on that album, shes like a cellophane, so defenseless, just like Blue. Her lyrics are good, some of them are confessional (check You Were Meant For Me), her guitar playing was OK, but still so far away from Jonis Blue. My favorite verses, from the song Morning Song: Well sit on the front porch. The sun can warm my feet. You can drink your coffee with sugar and cream. Ill drink my decaf herbal tea. Pretend were perfect strangers and that we never met. My how you remind me of a man i used to sleep with that face id never forget. You can be Henry Miller. And Ill be Anais Nin. Except this time itll be even better. Well stay together in the end. Come on darling, lets go back to bed. Put the phone machine on hold. Leave the dishes in the sink. Do not answer the door. Its you that i adore  Im gonna give you some more. Marian, if you read rollingstone magazine greatest artist of all time issue, youll find that Joni is number 60. And Jewel wrote the description about Joni. This is what she wrote : Joni Mitchell is a bigger icon than she is a star. Bob Dylan and Keith Richards became famous in such a worldwide way that they became stars and icons. But Joni is still quite unknown to a lot of people. The impact she had wasn't big and flashy. But she influenced people who became stars. I remember a friend in high school playing me "A Case of You," from Blue, and me liking it -- a lot. I could tell that Joni was a painter by the way she wrote lyrics. She describes smells and sounds to translate what is happening in her songs, using fewer words to transmit more feeling. Her melodies are all about shapes. The singing lines are slow, steep plateaus. One of the things that I learned from Joni, and that I love about her: If you can tell the story right and keep things moving, you don't need to return to the chorus on time. Joni never tries to make herself more perfect in her lyrics. What she writes is closer to journalism: On Blue, you hear everything she experienced, the highs and the lows. It's such a lonely album: not in the "I don't have any friends" sense but in the sense that you're a little bit removed, and always watching. And it takes a lot of courage to be that honest, especially as a woman -- to talk about love and other intimate things so frankly. When she first did it, it was a very fluffy time -- pretty girls singing about pretty things. Joni had an edginess that not many women expressed then. Most women singers had strong vibratos and a lot of mascara. Joni Mitchell never made a big deal out of being a woman. She had such a strong sexuality, but she didn't feel the need to deny that part of her in order to be taken seriously. She also didn't play it up -- although many of her songs are about sex. I met her only once, at a Vanity Fair photo shoot. It sounds like a pathetically feeble Hollywood story, but Stevie Wonder introduced us. He took my hand -- I guess I led him to her -- and he said, "Joni, I'd like you to meet Jewel." I just shook her hand and tried to swallow. I didn't have anything to say to her. Her influence on me is so obvious. I hope she can hear it. So Marian, IMO listening to Jewels first album this weekend is not a bad idea. Rian NP. Jewel. Serve The Ego. PS: I slept last night in a good hotel I went shopping today for jewels - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:13:32 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: From Bo Hello!!!!!!!! I'm sorry I haven't posted for a while....but I try to keep up with reading the Digest and love every minute of it. First off...Brian, thanks so very much for sharing the interview with Joni and Travis with us. I really enjoy reading and re-reading it!!! A secret angel sent me a copy of "Shine". There were a number of reasons that I didn't wildly open the CD and listen...but I betcha I'm the only person on the Digest who has JUST heard "Shine". I felt an overwhelming flow of security and connection when I heard Joni. It felt to me as though she is giving us some hard earned wisdom with her inflections and the smokey (not cigarettes) tone of her voice. I felt Joni...here she is, talking to me, through amazing music. There's a bit of a tease, a lot of wisdom she's passing on to us and also a personal challenge from Joni to each of us. How are we personally helping our planet? How far have we drifted from nature...the glory of seeing and listening to the ocean...the yearning to feel the beauty of meadows, of gorgeous silent places where we can contemplate who we are...right now...and what we are doing to "save this place". Joni's magic allowed a safety blanket to fall over me and for the duration of the CD. I felt the power of peace. I loved "Hana"...for me there was a bit of 'The Summer of Hissing Lawns' feeling in this piece. In each piece I found myself revisiting times from long ago but also a feeling of familiarity....the lyrics just flowed from Joni's genius....not one of her talents but 'Shine' sort of gave me a combination of everything Joni. There is a combination of tones and words and lyrics filled with the Joni of today but without missing the culmination of the Joni from all years. I listened and heard Joni's sadness's and hopefulness and her warning....but the warning came in the way of a new challenge, not a slap on the hands. I heard Joni's amazing ability to share her thoughts and feelings without one note of 'I told you so'....she represents all that can be...all that we ..each of us can be...Joni was born as an Indigo child....so in touch with things the masses can't possibly be aware of...as she said, "So I've learned, you know, that the antenna does work and to trust it more"....perfection. Joni's never defensive. She's so grounded and fresh and alive with an intensity of feeling and a capacity to share her deepest thinking, her inner-soul without hesitation. She's never really played the music game. Maybe a little , but I'm sure that must have been so horrid for her...a sacrifice for all of us...her gift to us. Joni said, in the interview, that it feels almost like autism....that put the vocabulary of what I've always felt about Joni to light. There is some aspect to a genius that likens itself to some aspects of autism.....and "the gap to my subconscious is wide open" says even more. I think Joni is more comfortable with the power of her genius , the power of that gap between the conscious and the subconscious...oh so powerful. Joni has never felt the need to defend herself...she simply offers an explanation...like "I've got a delicate nervous system and I'm sensitive. It's (cigarettes) a good focusing herb for me." That's a perfect example. "IF"...says it all. There's a blueprint in words now with melody and inflections that can allow us to set standards to live with and by and share. I loved Joni's analysis of our culture..."You know, this is not a renaissance culture. It's a culture of specialists." But the specialists are harmful as they multi-task their way toward destruction...not truth, cures, righting the wrongs. When the question came up as to who would be casted as Joni in a movie...I immediately thought of Michelle Pfeiffer(spelling???). I just think she's be perfect...but I can also see Sissy Spacek...there may be others. Joni gave me an infusion of hope. The Digest gives me an arena to share. I thank the heavens for these gifts. I wish everyone a stress-less holiday..a safe holiday...a real holiday...a time to recreate and enjoy your inner beauty and the beauty of those you are sharing time with. Much love from Bo - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 11:20:24 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Craving simplicity I hear ya, Jeannie. I often think about those days in Laurel Canyon when Joni, Judy, Steven, David et al shared their lives together, their thoughts, their art. I've thought about switching to a commune life in the past but, I guess real community and a stress free life is what many people want. To drop by on a sunny afternoon for a cup of tea and shoot the breeze. To watch the sun setting from the porch. I like your phrase, "with an agreement to disagree most graciously". I guess we need to embrace our differences and embrace each other. I guess it is the constant roar of the traffic outside my window on a warm Spring day that makes me pine for that even more. I try to ignore it and focus on the lovely breeze blowing and the green grass in the park on the other side of the road. Keep on aiming for that as your life goal, Jeannie. We share more than a love for Joni. We are neighbours with a big backyard. Your neighbour across the pond, Mark. NP Big Wheels In Shanty Town - Rain Tree Crow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose Marian Russell wrote: >>>Well, the interview has finally been posted. I don't really understand what everyone is making such a fuss about. He seemed much friendlier to and even interested in Joni and much more personable than he seemed in his interview with Jewel, and Joni didn't seem uncomfortable at all. I find it interesting to watch her and to hear whatever she has to say. I've never heard her equate herself to Picasso and Nietzsche before - that was a first. This is pretty much my take too. I mean, it's not like Charlie Rose's audience, which is who it's aimed at, knows all of this material like we do. I did wish he's given her a full half hour so he wouldn't have to rush her. It was great to see her on TV 3 times in a such a short time-span. Michael F. - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:46:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Retro Covers, Volume 20 Oops - I almost forgot to get this out there. It's the next one in the series of Joni Cover reruns. This one, Volume 20, is a bit different because it's all jazz/instrumentals. http://download.yousendit.com/032F5F1E5ED0F5DE Tracklist: 1. Mingus Dynasty - Sweet Sucker Dance 2. Mingus Dynasty - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 3. Mingus Dynasty - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 4. Mingus Dynasty - A Chair In The Sky 5. Fareed Haque - Woodstock 6. Marc Copland & Tim Hagans - Rainy Night House 7. Benny Goodman - Both Sides Now 8. The Joe Locke Quintet - Blue 9. Ian Shaw & Cedar Walton - Furry Sings The Blues 10. Jon Jang - All I Want 11. Dave Douglas - Same Situation 12. Dave Douglas - My Old Man Bob NP: Let's Active, "Ten Layers Down" - --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:00:08 -0500 From: Doug Subject: The Emergence of Joni Mitchell on NPR I just heard a promo for this on my local station out of Canton, NY http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/ It's not on the website but it said Saturday afternoon (tomorrow), I forgot what time exactly. Not sure if this applies anywhere else. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:15:46 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose I thought she hesitated just when she was about to tell Charlie how her music is High Art as opposed to all that other scuzzy popular music out there, which is pretty much what she said to Tavis and many others. This is where I have a fundamental difference with her. She seems to think there is Good Art and bad art (defined by whom?). I feel that art and music is a form of communication, and if the artist can cause a reaction in an audience, it's art. End of story. Doug Jeannie wrote: > > She mentally hesitated a couple of times with his weird energy towards her. Maybe he doesn't get it?! I thought he was more intelligent than that! Obviously, not the way I thought he was! And last night he proved it. > > Maybe he was intimidated with Joni's ultimate grace that flows with Nature and not the Fall TV show ratings. > > Jeannie > > > > ***** > > Brian Miller: > I have been a fan of most of your shows for over thirteen years now. > This evening's interview with Artist Joni Mitchell however seemed > almost a slap in the face, both to her and to your viewers. It didn't > seem to me as though the interview was at all well prepared or that you > were sincerely interested or informed as to her accomplishments and > contributions to the art form. So very little, preceeded by such > endless blatherng on about the Fall television line up. > (I mean really -- who cares?) What a truly bizarre and somehow ironic > program. Just the sort of thing Ms. Mitchell might have been inclined > to write or sing about at one time in her career. (Tavis Smiley gave us > much more of Ms. Mitchell on Nov. 9, for those who are interested.) > > ***** > > http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/11/15/2/a-conversation-with-musician-joni-mitchell > > Yeah, Charlie, why'd ya have to be so jive? You kept looking at your notes and hardly connected with Joni at all, it seemed. HELLO! Show a little interest! You're sitting with a genius and you don't even know it. You don't "get her" like Tavis does. Surely Joni felt that vibe, because she kept twisting up her impossibly gentle hands into knots and covering her mouth. And she hardly laughed at all. I could feel her discomfort. > > Maybe it wasn't that bad; it was very late when I walked in. I'll have to watch it again. Pardonnez-moi for being critical and negative on this -- that's so "not me" (except for, of course, when it comes to the Bush administration ). > > Oh well. As she said: "You can't please 'em all." > > But she pleases *us*! And herself. And that's what counts. > > Love, > > Patti P. > > NPIMH (sorry, Bob!) > > In my midnight confessions/impressions > When I tell all the world that I love you, Joni! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 > > > > > nj > > ' > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 04:58:28 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Gibson Robot guitar njc From: "Michael Paz" > This guitar looks really cool, but it does not say weather you can > make your own presets for Joni tunings. Yes, you can make your own tuning presets, replacing the ones that it comes with. It will hold 6 tunings altogether. The Gibson site has a pdf of the owner's manual that goes into the details. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 02:26:15 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, JT on Tavis Smiley tonight Hi Kids! Bon weekend! Just a friendly reminder that JT is going to be on our friend of Joni spirit Tavis Smiley's show tonight: http://www.pbs.org/kcet/tavissmiley/archive/200711/20071116.html This reminder is also brought to you by our dear Jody, who called me at work while *she* was also busy at work. She was not able to get to a computer and wanted to make sure you all knew about it. You've got a friend. Love, Patti & Jody P.S. Did you know that Jody and that SoB are kidnappers? Yes siree Bobs! They dragged me away from the anti-war protest in Boston on October 27th to a quick lunch stand for a short while. There are not many people in this world that can do THAT! _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:55:45 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gibson Robot guitar njc Is there a way to store them via usb into a puter or something? Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Nov 16, 2007, at 6:58 AM, Randy Remote wrote: From: "Michael Paz" > This guitar looks really cool, but it does not say weather you can > make your own presets for Joni tunings. Yes, you can make your own tuning presets, replacing the ones that it comes with. It will hold 6 tunings altogether. The Gibson site has a pdf of the owner's manual that goes into the details. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:01:55 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: debate, njc totally agree with you eric, biden and richardson has impressed me. they don't dance around the questions and they seem like they will get something done to change this political funk we're in. hillary, obama, and edwards seem too patronizing and at each other's throats------let's talk issues and what they would do rather than what the other person didn't do. i like kucinich's suggestion to impeach bush now." i have enjoyed the debates. especially the democratic ones---the republican debate sometimes makes me want to barf. later, gene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 05:06:04 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose From: "Marian Russell" > Well, the interview has finally been posted. I don't really understand > what everyone is making such a fuss about. ... .... and Joni didn't seem > uncomfortable at all. I pretty much agree. She looked good, and the live clips they showed during the intro only revive the big question--How come they are not putting out dvd's of this stuff??? Obviously they have incredible footage in the vaults, and lots of it. C'mon! Also...I'm pretty sure Charlie Rose is an alien. It's pretty sick that they gave her 12 minutes, and used the rest to talk to professional couch potatoes about the fall (network!) TV lineup. Like I don't already know Cavemen is one of the worst shows ever made, and that House and 30 Rock totally rule. Like dude. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:51:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose Well, that said, I comprehend it's better not to be so harsh on good ol' Charlie Rose. I guess what really perturbed me was the guest panel which came on before Joni. It is really nice to see Joni again and again. Her good attitude and grace truly renews me and makes me wanna get up and jive. Jeannie Michael Flaherty wrote: Marian Russell wrote: >>>Well, the interview has finally been posted. I don't really understand what everyone is making such a fuss about. He seemed much friendlier to and even interested in Joni and much more personable than he seemed in his interview with Jewel, and Joni didn't seem uncomfortable at all. I find it interesting to watch her and to hear whatever she has to say. I've never heard her equate herself to Picasso and Nietzsche before - that was a first. This is pretty much my take too. I mean, it's not like Charlie Rose's audience, which is who it's aimed at, knows all of this material like we do. I did wish he's given her a full half hour so he wouldn't have to rush her. It was great to see her on TV 3 times in a such a short time-span. Michael F. - --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. nj ' - --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:50:01 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: The Emergence of Joni Mitchell on NPR Looks like a two hour examination of JM without her input, and may be streamable for free here: http://musicsojourn.com/POD/Prog/PI/index.htm Show description: http://www.paulingles.com/mitchell.html ps one of the interviewees is none other than Mr.Les Irvin, our humble moderator! RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:11:11 -0800 (PST) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Joni on Charlie Rose Hmm. But you can hardly call Fergie or Gwen Stefani or 50 Cent art. Sure, it may cause a reaction in some people--mainly dancing at a club or whatever it may be, but it sure doesn't deserve to be called art. I can't even imagine Fergie (I really hate her music so I'll use her as an example gladly) even TRYING to call her music a work of art. It's got a different purpose--it's for young kids or young adults to dance to. That's it and I'm sure some of the people who make music like that know it and are fine with it. Not everyone like Joni (and others!), want to expand horizons, grow musically, make a statement, etc etc. That's fine too. -Monika Doug wrote: I thought she hesitated just when she was about to tell Charlie how her music is High Art as opposed to all that other scuzzy popular music out there, which is pretty much what she said to Tavis and many others. This is where I have a fundamental difference with her. She seems to think there is Good Art and bad art (defined by whom?). I feel that art and music is a form of communication, and if the artist can cause a reaction in an audience, it's art. End of story. Doug Jeannie wrote: > > She mentally hesitated a couple of times with his weird energy towards her. Maybe he doesn't get it?! I thought he was more intelligent than that! Obviously, not the way I thought he was! And last night he proved it. > > Maybe he was intimidated with Joni's ultimate grace that flows with Nature and not the Fall TV show ratings. > > Jeannie > > > > ***** > > Brian Miller: > I have been a fan of most of your shows for over thirteen years now. > This evening's interview with Artist Joni Mitchell however seemed > almost a slap in the face, both to her and to your viewers. It didn't > seem to me as though the interview was at all well prepared or that you > were sincerely interested or informed as to her accomplishments and > contributions to the art form. So very little, preceeded by such > endless blatherng on about the Fall television line up. > (I mean really -- who cares?) What a truly bizarre and somehow ironic > program. Just the sort of thing Ms. Mitchell might have been inclined > to write or sing about at one time in her career. (Tavis Smiley gave us > much more of Ms. Mitchell on Nov. 9, for those who are interested.) > > ***** > > http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2007/11/15/2/a-conversation-with-musician-joni-mitchell > > Yeah, Charlie, why'd ya have to be so jive? You kept looking at your notes and hardly connected with Joni at all, it seemed. HELLO! Show a little interest! You're sitting with a genius and you don't even know it. You don't "get her" like Tavis does. Surely Joni felt that vibe, because she kept twisting up her impossibly gentle hands into knots and covering her mouth. And she hardly laughed at all. I could feel her discomfort. > > Maybe it wasn't that bad; it was very late when I walked in. I'll have to watch it again. Pardonnez-moi for being critical and negative on this -- that's so "not me" (except for, of course, when it comes to the Bush administration ). > > Oh well. As she said: "You can't please 'em all." > > But she pleases *us*! And herself. And that's what counts. > > Love, > > Patti P. > > NPIMH (sorry, Bob!) > > In my midnight confessions/impressions > When I tell all the world that I love you, Joni! > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. > http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 > > > > > nj > > ' > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. - --------------------------------- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 00:14:43 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: debate, njc But what about Ron Paul? He has a pretty interesting platform~ 1. Legalize marijuana 2. Eliminate the IRS with a federal sales tax 3. Reintroduce the gold standard nixed by Nixon and responsible for crazy inflation 4. Turn abortion laws over to individual states WOW talk about all-encompassing appeal..... I am not ruling out Paul quite yet. If nothing more he could ensure Hillary's victory. We SO NEED massive change! Please God just let us survive one more year of Bush/Cheney's worst bad dream!!! Where is Quetzalcoatl when you need her? ;~D ET > [Original Message] > From: gene > To: Eric Taylor > Cc: joni > Date: 11/16/07 10:02:04 PM > Subject: Re: debate, njc > > totally agree with you eric, biden and richardson has impressed me. they > don't dance around the questions and they seem like they will get something > done to change this political funk we're in. hillary, obama, and edwards > seem too patronizing and at each other's throats------let's talk issues and > what they would do rather than what the other person didn't do. i like > kucinich's suggestion to impeach bush now." > i have enjoyed the debates. especially the democratic ones---the republican > debate sometimes makes me want to barf. > later, gene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:34:36 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Joni dream We were together - she looked younger than she looks now and her voice was not as deep as in her recent interviews. We were going to play music together, and I was waiting for her to get her guitar. She seemed happy - was smiling. Then the scene changed, she was on my right and we were walking towards this huge industrial area that included nuclear power plant towers and the space shuttle horizontal to the ground on some kind of large block and huge buildings that looked like warehouses and manufacturing plants with smoke chimneys and there was concrete everywhere and we said we didn't want to go in that direction and then the scene changed and I couldn't see those things anymore - there were wooden fences and some greenery and some old stonework and we went together into a bookstore and she was in front of me and she asked me what I believe in, and I said something like "well probably Buddhism is closest to what I believe" and I could see some little statues of Buddha on a shelf and we were looking at them and there were some candles burning. Then I woke up. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 01:04:46 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni dream Wow Marian you ought to have that one analyzed. I have been dreaming alot lately but I never remember by the time I get my dead butt out of bed. Thanks for sharing. LOve Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Nov 17, 2007, at 12:34 AM, Marian Russell wrote: We were together - she looked younger than she looks now and her voice was not as deep as in her recent interviews. We were going to play music together, and I was waiting for her to get her guitar. She seemed happy - was smiling. Then the scene changed, she was on my right and we were walking towards this huge industrial area that included nuclear power plant towers and the space shuttle horizontal to the ground on some kind of large block and huge buildings that looked like warehouses and manufacturing plants with smoke chimneys and there was concrete everywhere and we said we didn't want to go in that direction and then the scene changed and I couldn't see those things anymore - there were wooden fences and some greenery and some old stonework and we went together into a bookstore and she was in front of me and she asked me what I believe in, and I said something like "well probably Buddhism is closest to what I believe" and I could see some little statues of Buddha on a shelf and we were looking at them and there were some candles burning. Then I woke up. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 21:28:45 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: james taylor on tavis Another WOW. I've always loved James self effacing sense of humor but this time he went way deep. What a beautiful man, mind, soul. He's always been one of the best interviews I've seen, this time taking it to a really incredible place. I would love to send this to someone who has always loved JT who I think will be inspired by this interview. If anyone finds a link, please let me know. Many thanks, Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:27:02 +0200 From: "Ahmed Shoukry" Subject: Tavis Video Hey all, I was just wondering if it is possible for anyone to upload a video of the interview, I'm afraid we don't get PBS in Egypt... And Shine is just amazing ... :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 08:35:01 +0100 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Joni and Jewel Thanks for the additional info about Jewel's music, rian, and for posting what Jewel said about Joni - I found that very interesting. I only have one of Jewel's albums - the white one with her face on the cover. I ordered her book of poems after watching the Charlie Rose interview - one poem was about howling at midnight with the wild wolves in Alaska and I'd like to be able to read that one again. I think she is a sensitive, interesting and thoughtful person and I like poetry. I hardly ever listen to music, except when I'm trying to learn it, but lately I've been listening to Joni a lot when driving alone in my car. It started with Shine, then DED, and now I've got Turbulent Indigo in my car CD player. I find TI stunning in so many ways. I never thought of Joni's songs as painterly before (as she described them in something I saw or read recently), but the ones on this CD truly are and probably this is true of everything starting from C&S. I never noticed this before - I always paid attention to the lyrics and the melodies and how to play the guitar/piano parts and the harmonies (she likes fourths a LOT!), but I never paid a lot of attention to all of the other stuff. So listening to TI in the car, I was noticing instrumental (non-guitar) outtros and other layers of sound over everything. There are many layers in the songs on TI - the sounds are rich, beautiful and really amazing. Marian NPIMH: How Do You Stop - ----- Original Message ----- From: "rian afriadi" To: "joni" ; "marian" Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:49 AM Subject: Joni and Jewel. > Marian wrote > >>>>>However, when I first went to the site to try to find it, one of the > > things that came up rather prominently as an option was an interview of > Jewel. I don't really know her or her music, but since she has been > compared to Joni in the past, > > > > +++++ > > Jewel is another good musician who is highly influenced by Joni (she said > that). I have her first 4 albums (she has released 5). And now, after > knowing Joni, i listened to those 4 albums again as if i had not heard > them before. And yes. I think her first 2 albums were intended to be > another Blue album. Specially her first album, Pieces of Me, on that > album, shes like a cellophane, so defenseless, just like Blue. Her lyrics > are good, some of them are confessional (check You Were Meant For Me), her > guitar playing was OK, but still so far away from Jonis Blue. > > > Marian, if you read rollingstone magazine greatest artist of all time > issue, youll find that Joni is number 60. And Jewel wrote the description > about Joni. > > This is what she wrote : > > Joni Mitchell is a bigger icon than she is a star. Bob Dylan and Keith > Richards became famous in such a worldwide way that they became stars and > icons. But Joni is still quite unknown to a lot of people. The impact she > had wasn't big and flashy. But she influenced people who became stars. > I remember a friend in high school playing me "A Case of You," from Blue, > and me liking it -- a lot. I could tell that Joni was a painter by the way > she wrote lyrics. She describes smells and sounds to translate what is > happening in her songs, using fewer words to transmit more feeling. Her > melodies are all about shapes. The singing lines are slow, steep plateaus. > One of the things that I learned from Joni, and that I love about her: If > you can tell the story right and keep things moving, you don't need to > return to the chorus on time. > Joni never tries to make herself more perfect in her lyrics. What she > writes is closer to journalism: On Blue, you hear everything she > experienced, the highs and the lows. It's such a lonely album: not in the > "I don't have any friends" sense but in the sense that you're a little bit > removed, and always watching. And it takes a lot of courage to be that > honest, especially as a woman -- to talk about love and other intimate > things so frankly. When she first did it, it was a very fluffy time -- > pretty girls singing about pretty things. > Joni had an edginess that not many women expressed then. Most women > singers had strong vibratos and a lot of mascara. Joni Mitchell never made > a big deal out of being a woman. She had such a strong sexuality, but she > didn't feel the need to deny that part of her in order to be taken > seriously. She also didn't play it up -- although many of her songs are > about sex. > I met her only once, at a Vanity Fair photo shoot. It sounds like a > pathetically feeble Hollywood story, but Stevie Wonder introduced us. He > took my hand -- I guess I led him to her -- and he said, "Joni, I'd like > you to meet Jewel." I just shook her hand and tried to swallow. I didn't > have anything to say to her. Her influence on me is so obvious. I hope she > can hear it. > > So Marian, IMO listening to Jewels first album this weekend is not a bad > idea. > Rian > NP. Jewel. Serve The Ego. > PS: > I slept last night in a good hotel > I went shopping today for jewels > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try > it now. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #463 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------