From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #445 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 5 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 445 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Feist on SNL njc ["Mark Scott" ] Why Joni? (sort of long) ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] Re: Feist on SNL njc ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni Cookbook! ["Eric Taylor" ] Joni Video clip on CBS website ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] Re: Joni on CBS Morning ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: The stupidity of the human animal, CBS interview ["Eric Taylor" Subject: Feist on SNL njc Was anyone else somewhat let down by Feist on SNL last night? Her voice sounded kind of thin and weak. Maybe it was the sound (the mix didn't seem to put her up front much), maybe she had a cold or maybe it was just my hearing. Of course, one of her 2 songs was 1-2-3-4 and I kind of wish she had sung something else. The other song was not one I would have chosen to hear her sing either. But then I wasn't asked to choose her set list, was I? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Why Joni? (sort of long) Monika, I knew you had questions but I didn't know you also had the answers. Great job. Jim L. A suiter asked, >>Why Joni? Monika said, >I went on and on about why, pinpointing her innovation, her unpredictability, how every album has its own tone/style--she doesn't shy away from experimenting, her lyrics, her guitar tunings, her guitar playing in general (he asked how her guitar style was as he's a guitarist too), her ability to articulate things we all feel or think but would never dare say aloud or would never acknowledge otherwise, etc, etc.> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:38:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Tavis Smiley Thank you to whoever it was that mentioned Joni would be interviewed by Tavis this Friday. I've been a fan of his show for a year or two when I stumbled upon it by accident & was very impressed. He has the greatest guests & is so respectful, passionate & informed. His questions are thought provoking & deep. Should be a great show. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:00:51 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Feist on SNL njc From: "Mark Scott" > Was anyone else somewhat let down by Feist on SNL last night? I had never heard of her-and, is it me, or are there alot of female singers copping Regina Spector's style? That's the hit I got from it. Kind of like a few years back when every male singer was trying to sound like Eddie Vedder. Then again, maybe Ms. Spector copped her style from someone else. But if you've ever heard her 'it breaks my hea....rt...' song, even the songs themselves, and the way she pronounced heart (both songs!) seemed highly derivatory. RR Her > voice sounded kind of thin and weak. Maybe it was the sound (the mix > didn't seem to put her up front much), maybe she had a cold or maybe > it was just my hearing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:12:56 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni Cookbook! Thank you Marian for this! >Cookbook History: We started putting the cookbook together in 1998. The ideas for it were conceived by Julie Z. Webb (hostess of the very first Jonifest in 1998) and Bev Wolfe (TheFishpond). Each recipe title was a play on words from Joni's songs...< Those were such good days and I feel SO honored that my Elephant Ivory Apple Pie might have touched Joni's lips between then and now! ;~* ET "You see those lovely hills? They won't be there for long." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:17:04 -0800 (PST) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Joni Video clip on CBS website Lindsay said >So how is it in the Gene Shay interviews, he is amazed at this work and she is so excited to play it for him because she's just written it and has been playing it constantly to everyone. Is she kind of coloring her past with her present day opinions? I can't make sense of it. Any ideas?> Sure. Joni does interviews like a boxer fights. She's been KO'ed a few times (in her opinion). She sees every punch and dodges each one. She debunks the misconception that she *perceives* behind every question. Q: >Was there a point where you said to yourself, 'Ya know, I could make a really good living at this'...> To me, the first question "framed" her as a songwriter with confidence. She heard it as the misconception She countered immediately: A: >No, I was always going to be a PAINTER.> Joni conveys a lot with the words she stresses. Many times, you've heard her say, "I'm a painter, first." She said it again this year because that's the key message for her. Sometimes, it doesn't matter what the question is, because she says that first anyway! As a boxer, she leaps out of her corner and immediately throws a punch. Instead of patting herself on the back with praise for her ability to earn money, she reached to be called an artist. Dig: artists are above popularity. She's not a market-driven type. She doesn't live and die by her chart position. Re-reading the question, I realize I was wrong and she was right. He didn't ask her about how it felt to convey a universal truth! He asked her how it felt to know she could "make a really good living!" Q: >Was there a song where you look back and said, 'Wow, that song was the first song that I wrote that I was incredibly proud of?'> To answer that question straight-on would require a willingness to congratulate herself and she's too smart for that. She ducked, then re-framed the question as a misconception that ANY song is universally admired. At one time, she may have thought that the public loved her, no matter what. Remember the Carnegie Hall show, when she said, "Hmmm. Unconditional love. Mmmmmm." But then she hired the LA Express, and she got shouted down for not playing the dulcimer. Fame comes with a spot light but it shines down black water. It's important to debunk "Both Sides Now" because the public didn't approve of everything. Each of us have a favorite. We all know that "Both Sides Now" is an amazing song, and will outlive all of us, but the song also had detractors. She couldn't possibly say, "I was incredibly proud of 'Both Sides Now'. It opened the door to financial independence, and got my mother's respect. Period. Next question, please?" She would never say that to the press. She's been misquoted too many times so she always has her guard up. In print, they might have mis-represented her by putting an editorial in front of her answer, like this make-believe exchange... - --------------- [Joni was desperate for her mother's praise and sought it in song-writing. She told us,] "Wow, I was incredibly proud of 'Both Sides Now'. It opened the door to financial independence, and got my mother's respect." - --------------- Back in the boxing ring, Joni dodged the punch. She said, A: >The first song that got FUSSED OVER was "Both Sides Now"... There's that EMPHASIS again. Jim L'Hommedieu Dayton, OH ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 05:43:54 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni on CBS goodwill spills over into the workplace Okay, okay, I confess to being a Joni Mitchellist. Last night I emailed lots of non-Joni people in my address book thusly: Dear Friends Who Love Joni or Who Kindly Tolerate My Loving Joni and Should Learn More About Her: She is going to be on the CBS Sunday Morning Show which starts at 9 a.m. EST. Be there or be square! ("You're so square. Baby, I don't care.") http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/01/sunday/main3441230.shtml Peace, Patti P. "Shine on good humor, Shine on goodwill." - -- JM *** I mean, if you have discovered true mind beauty, don't you want to share it with the whole universe? Absolument! I got only a few responses, but here is one of the best (from Theo, my fave Comp Lit grad student, who came to hear the last half hour of Joni in Starrrrrbucks w/ me) (Joni love is precious): "Way cool to see that old footage! Love the work she did off her busted TV; lemonade indeed..." Ya gotta love this man! And then a few hours later, he writes this: ________________________________ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 21:51:00 -0500 From: theo To: loveuconn@hotmail.com Subject: A favor/question CC: patricia.parlette@uconn.edu Hey Peppermint - We have a director coming in this week (partly with MCL support) and he'll be premiering a film as part of Native American Heritage Month - I need a room for at least 100 - and I'd like it to be in Humanities (6 p.m. Wednesday 11/7/07). Would it be possible to get either of those big rooms on the first floor? Just let me know as soon as you get a minute. Thanks! Theo ***** Ha! He knows how to get what he wants. Joni adoration gets you everything in my workplace. ****** My reply: Anything for you, Chuck! I'll call Scheduling tomorrow. So glad you "got" Joni this morning. Is she a goddess or *what*? (Norma, I hope you got to see her, too.) And November 7th, btw, is Joni's birthday. She loves Native Americans so it is my Joni-duty to get you a great room. Not that I'm a fanatic or anything. ; ) Peace, Peppermint _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 01:07:18 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: njc, MoM: from Starbucks to out on some borderline >>I really appreciated the hour change! Not so much for the sleep but for the fact that when I got home it was technically 3 AM but with the change it was only 2 AM! An hour saved... - -M<< & I really enjoyed your enlightened rant M ~~~ I am SO glad that there is a NJC! May I add something about the current time change? A few year ago our beloved US President W changed time, subtracting a week from Spring Ahead and adding a week to Fall Back. WHAT a F***ing megalomaniac!!!!! Is there any end to his ego? I am relishing The Fiddle & The Drum ballet every day and wondering if the ghoulish faces are W on Joni's dying TV??? Please fill me in ET 'They're gonna tear them down and sell them to California' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 20:09:04 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning > She came on at 10:02. They saved her for the last half hour, IMHO, is > because they lose some to Meet the Press at 10. Later there was a commercial for "Shine", too, with some kinda cool artistic graphics. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:01:09 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni on CBS Morning >>That thing is gigantic! So many good things and themes Joni brings to me for the children. I thank God with all that I am for our Joni. I don't know what I would have done or where I would be without her. She's truly in my blood, constantly, more than a case of holy wine, morning, noon, and night. Love, Jeannie<< I couldn't agree with you more! I began to grasp this holy fact back in 1979 when the disco shit hit the fan. So Joni releases Mingus........ Sometimes it scares me how much I listen to Joni. But then I contemplate what it would have been like to live in the days of Beethoven. Seriously. Thank you SO much for reinforcing my total addiction to JM Jeannie! When will the world wake up? ET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:22:11 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: The stupidity of the human animal, CBS interview >>When Joni made this reference in regard to the ill way humanity treats the earth on the macro scale, I couldn't help but think of the similarly ill way smokers treat their lungs on the micro scale. Maybe humanity is addicted to the behavior that destroys the earth like the way smokers are addicted to the behavior that destroys their lungs. Maybe there is something in the human ego both societally and individually that says, I'm going to do this regardless of the truth of the destruction. Love and sorrow, Laura<< Oh geez Laura please don't confuse smoking tobacco with global warming! Just be thankful that we smokers are paying for America's health care with the taxes collected from tobacco. A much bigger problem is the countless cancer-causing chemicals we use to 'clean' our bodies and homes. O Great Spirit ET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:34:33 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: PHOTO of Joni & David Crosby Check out the photo of Joni and David Crosby (and beneath that a baby-faced Jackson Browne!) http://www.laurelcanyonthebook.com/?p=930 Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #445 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------