From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #425 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 23 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 425 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Another English Lesson [merk54@aol.com] Re: Vancouver and environs - Sechelt ["Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" ] Re: shine on the catholic church...NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: shine on the catholic church... [LCStanley7@aol.com] you okay? njc ["gene" ] Re: Joy [Andy Stancliffe ] Neil Young (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Neil Young (njc) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Neil Young (njc) [Jeannie ] Re: Neil Young (njc) [Jeannie ] Re: Another English Lesson ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Another English Lesson [Jeannie ] hopeful girl in a dreamy dress [Deb Messling ] Shine/JC ["Mike & Alice Hicks" ] Re: shine on the catholic church... now way njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joy ["Eric Taylor" ] His Story NJC ["Eric Taylor" ] SoCal fires (njc) [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:23:32 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Another English Lesson In my mind, she is definitely?a prostitute.? You mention that she's a cook, but didn't include the following: ? I'm a pretty good cook I'm sitting on my groceries. She is using cooking as a metaphor for sex, and her "groceries" are her bootie.? One can only imagine what her "best recipes" would consist of. That's always been my take on it anyway. Jack ? - -----Original Message----- From: Jeannie To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 1:25 pm Subject: Re: Another English Lesson I never saw the girl on, 'Raised On Robbery,' as a prostitute. I saw her more like one of those toughie off-night back street gals living on the fringes. She's a pretty good cook, too. I've never heard of hookers inviting clients up to their kitchen to share her best recipes with. But, I could be wrong, Bob. Maybe Joni meant for her to be a whore. She reminds me of those tough type of women that could take off to live the lifestyle of a Carney or work the Circus circuit, a free-wheeling and dealing type of woman who's never really ready to settle. NPIMH: a 'River' gently flowing Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: In order to get by, one needs resources. Most folks choose an honest lifestyle, working at a job and making money to pay for what they need. Others scam, rob & con their way through life. In my mind, I think Joni was saying that the character in the song (a hooker trying to pick up a customer) falls into the latter category, so much so that she declares to be brought up in the lifestyle of illicit behavior. Bob NP: Ray Bailey, "Satan's Horn" nj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:43:54 -0700 From: "Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" Subject: Re: Vancouver and environs - Sechelt Sechelt is where you want to visit if it"s Joni's native land you seek. From Vancouver (AKA the mainland), or Vancouver Island (which is another boat to reach the mainland), you'd need to travel to Horseshoe Bay (in West Vancouver). From there you catch a 40 or so minute ferry to Langdale - about ten minutes drive from the town of Gibsons. It's about one hour's drive north from there to Sechelt. Visit http://www.bcferries.com for schedules etc. It's not far in miles, but it can take a long time, eg. 2 - 4 hours, to reach if you have to make a two-boat ferry connection.) This entire coast is beautiful. Sometimes, though, it's nice to see the rainforest be less rainy! Enjoy your visit and exploring ( : Slainte, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 17:47:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church...NJC Of course...my point is (and I didn't do a good job of stating it) that why would you want to LIMIT yourself to that knowledge when you have a much broader & expanded base of knowledge that the passage of time has given you? You wouldn't, of course, and nobody does - religion being the exception. 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If there > weren't people there'd be no religion; just like if > there weren't children > there wouldn't be fairy tales. > > Religion in my opinion is a human thing, and to > cast it all off, to > condemn it by focusing only on the corruption and > bad rather than seeing the > human beauty, the art, in it is not very tolerant. > Yin without the yang and the > ball don't roll. > I think it's possible to have a religion, or a philosophy, of life that tries to explain the point of it all without the bureaucracy attached. I guess my main grip with the catholic church (a gripe that can be applied to many other religions, but my personal experience is with the RC church) is that, each time the believer tries to see the things about the faith that are beautiful, they are slapped back into reality by fundamentalist types imposing too many ridiculous rules about what is and isn't OK to believe in, about who can/can't say mass, and so on. I've known a lot of religious Catholic people who were wonderful, caring open-minded individuals who embraced other beliefs and faiths as easily as they did their own and saw them all as equally valid, but then there are the rule-setting petty-minded little tyrants who want to impose their own narrow views on everyone. And those are the ones who want to slap down anyone who tries to be more liberal-minded. And then they get ridiculous with the "mysteries" of the church - such as, when the priest consecrates the bread and wine, he is *literally* turning it into the body and blood of Jesus, which is foolish, illogical and, let's face it, cannibalistic and gross. I can get beautiful concepts and philosophies from many sources and I love reading myths from many cultures and religions and, despite being agnostic, I certainly do love the *idea* of a god or goddess of some kind, but ultimately, I believe that whatever is godly lies within us all. I am quite sure that the abusers are a small minority, but it's the petty-mindedness and literal interpretations of bible text by some of the priesthood and the faithful that drives me crazy. There's a lot of art and beauty in that faith, as there are in many faiths, but it's undermined by the other foolishness. And it's just too male-dominated for my liking. Let them elect a pope (or would that be a Big Mama?) who is female and under 80 and maybe I'll pay attention. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:55:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Another English Lesson - --- Jeannie wrote: > I never saw the girl on, 'Raised On Robbery,' as a > prostitute. > I saw her more like one of those toughie off-night > back street gals living on the fringes. > > She's a pretty good cook, too. I've never heard of > hookers inviting clients up to their kitchen to > share her best recipes with. > Well, I don't think she's talking about those kinds of recipes, if you get my drift (nudge-nudge, wink-wink, say no more.) However, I don't see her as a hooker either, but more of a good-time gal, out for a good time and trying to get a man to buy her some drinks and then she'll bring him home for a little roll in the hay. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:55:06 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church...NJC In a message dated 10/22/07 4:47:59 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: Bob wrote: > > Of course...my point is (and I didn't do a good job of stating it) that why > would you want to LIMIT yourself to that knowledge when you have a much > broader & expanded base of knowledge that the passage of time has given you? You > wouldn't, of course, and nobody does - religion being the exception. > > Hi Bob, In my observation, it appears humanity has similarly built science and religion upon faith and belief. There are some old doctrines in medical sciences that carry into the future and don't change... the Cell Theory for example, Wolff's Law for another. We build on these. In my experience of religion, the same is true with possibly fewer unchanging doctrines than in science (at least comparing medical sciences and catholicism which are what I'm most familiar with). Neither discipline is limited to unchanging beliefs; both have a history of change after rather extensive testing of the principles in each. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:03:52 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... In a message dated 10/22/07 5:36:11 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > but then there > are the rule-setting petty-minded little tyrants who > want to impose their own narrow views on everyone. And > those are the ones who want to slap down anyone who > tries to be more liberal-minded. > LOLLLLLLLLL this is a very colorful description!!!! I love it!!! My family is wondering why I'm ROFL!!! Would that be slapping down with a ruler perhaps?! Thank God I only had liberal nuns when I was in gradeschool, but I've heard of the slap you down with a ruler ones. I did have a ruler slapper named Mrs. Willy in 3rd grade, but I had her at the public school I transfered to for 4 years. She slapped desks not kids, but it made a sound I'll never forget. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:21:42 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: you okay? njc hello kate, are you okay and safe from the fires? sending you some good vibes. gene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Stancliffe Subject: Re: Joy Hi William, This is my reaction to Shine too! I keep finding myself singing snippets of the new songs too, and it's been so long since I've had new Joni songs in my head. It's pure joy. Andy Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:13:03 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: Joy I find myself walking along streets and singing bits from Shine and realise Joni's in my head again, anew. Joy. I love Joni. Just absolutely love her. WtS x _________________________________________________________________ 100s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 20:23:36 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Neil Young (njc) Neil Young- Chrome Dreams II being released tomorrow October 23! Victor NP: Prison Break ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:03:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Neil Young (njc) It's fantastic, isn't it? I hope my CD II comes in the mail tomorrow on time! I'm getting it "free" since I purchased tickets from the presale... -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Victor Johnson wrote: Neil Young- Chrome Dreams II being released tomorrow October 23! Victor NP: Prison Break Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:29:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Neil Young (njc) Sorry about the previous mis-post. I just wanted to say I love Neil Young, too, Monika. Maybe just as much as you or more or maybe you love him more--I don't know! Neil Young is very special to me. Jean Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: It's fantastic, isn't it? I hope my CD II comes in the mail tomorrow on time! I'm getting it "free" since I purchased tickets from the presale... - -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Victor Johnson wrote: Neil Young- Chrome Dreams II being released tomorrow October 23! Victor NP: Prison Break Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com nj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Neil Young (njc) Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: It's fantastic, isn't it? I hope my CD II comes in the mail tomorrow on time! I'm getting it "free" since I purchased tickets from the presale... - -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Victor Johnson wrote: Neil Young- Chrome Dreams II being released tomorrow October 23! Victor NP: Prison Break Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com nj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:46:36 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Another English Lesson Jeanie said > I never saw the girl on, 'Raised On Robbery,' as a prostitute. > I saw her more like one of those toughie off-night back street gals living on the fringes. > She's a pretty good cook, too. I've never heard of hookers inviting clients up to their kitchen to share her best recipes with. I'm with Muller on this one. Jeanie, let's start with lyric. Joni said, >>He was sitting in the lounge of the Empire Hotel >>He was drinking for diversion >>He was thinking for himself Far from home, this guy is alone, drinking in a hotel lounge. *She* approaches him. >>She says, "Drinkin' alone's a shame >>It's a shame it's a crying shame." How often does a non-prostitute walk into a bar and strike up a conversation with a stranger who is drinking alone? She doesn't have anything to say except a cliche, which she says three times, in place of a *thoughtful* remark. >>"Hey honey, you've got lots of cash. >>Bring us 'round a bottle, >>We'll have some laughs." Jeanie, she wants some of his money. After the remark about hockey, it's the third thing she says to him. >>"Gin's what I'm drinking. >>I was raised on robbery." In recent conversations about this, I learned that hookers and strippers order clear drinks because the bartender actually serves them water. It's part of the arrangement so they can keep "working", eh? Next, there's a literary device called a "double entendre" which means the words have two intentions, two meanings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_entendre There's an innocent meaning but also a vulgar or humorous meaning. Here's an example, in the form of a joke: "A blonde knockout walks into a bar. She asks the bartender for a Double Entendre... So he gave it to her." In this joke, "he gave it to her" has 2 meanings: 1.) It appears to mean that the bartender served the drink she ordered. 2.) The true meaning is derived from the setting. At the beginning of the joke, the customer is a "blonde knockout" which means that she's a sex object. Since she's a sex object, the punch line "he gave it to her" means that the bartender "serviced" her. Back to Joni, who said, >>I'm a pretty good "cook" >>I'm sitting on my groceries I put "cook" in quotes because she cooks with her hips. She's not offering tea & biscuits. She's sitting on her "goodies", her "groceries". >>Come up to my kitchen, I'll show you my best "recipe". >>I try and I try but I can't save a cent. >>I'm up after midnight, "cooking", >>trying to make my rent. >>Come home with me honey Cooks don't hustle customers in hotel bars. Hookers hustle customers in hotel bars. Jim L'Hommedieu the lyric is at: http://jonimitchell.com/musician/song.cfm?id=RaisedOnRobbery ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Another English Lesson I mean, Jim, I've been around all over this place, but I just don't know how a hooker struts her stuff. How do you know these things, huh?!? (just kidding---for real, Jim) Water for Gin? Geez, we're really into the bitches' brew tonight! Jean Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Jeanie said > I never saw the girl on, 'Raised On Robbery,' as a prostitute. > I saw her more like one of those toughie off-night back street gals living on the fringes. > She's a pretty good cook, too. I've never heard of hookers inviting clients up to their kitchen to share her best recipes with. I'm with Muller on this one. Jeanie, let's start with lyric. Joni said, >>He was sitting in the lounge of the Empire Hotel >>He was drinking for diversion >>He was thinking for himself Far from home, this guy is alone, drinking in a hotel lounge. *She* approaches him. >>She says, "Drinkin' alone's a shame >>It's a shame it's a crying shame." How often does a non-prostitute walk into a bar and strike up a conversation with a stranger who is drinking alone? She doesn't have anything to say except a cliche, which she says three times, in place of a *thoughtful* remark. >>"Hey honey, you've got lots of cash. >>Bring us 'round a bottle, >>We'll have some laughs." Jeanie, she wants some of his money. After the remark about hockey, it's the third thing she says to him. >>"Gin's what I'm drinking. >>I was raised on robbery." In recent conversations about this, I learned that hookers and strippers order clear drinks because the bartender actually serves them water. It's part of the arrangement so they can keep "working", eh? Next, there's a literary device called a "double entendre" which means the words have two intentions, two meanings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_entendre There's an innocent meaning but also a vulgar or humorous meaning. Here's an example, in the form of a joke: "A blonde knockout walks into a bar. She asks the bartender for a Double Entendre... So he gave it to her." In this joke, "he gave it to her" has 2 meanings: 1.) It appears to mean that the bartender served the drink she ordered. 2.) The true meaning is derived from the setting. At the beginning of the joke, the customer is a "blonde knockout" which means that she's a sex object. Since she's a sex object, the punch line "he gave it to her" means that the bartender "serviced" her. Back to Joni, who said, >>I'm a pretty good "cook" >>I'm sitting on my groceries I put "cook" in quotes because she cooks with her hips. She's not offering tea & biscuits. She's sitting on her "goodies", her "groceries". >>Come up to my kitchen, I'll show you my best "recipe". >>I try and I try but I can't save a cent. >>I'm up after midnight, "cooking", >>trying to make my rent. >>Come home with me honey Cooks don't hustle customers in hotel bars. Hookers hustle customers in hotel bars. Jim L'Hommedieu the lyric is at: http://jonimitchell.com/musician/song.cfm?id=RaisedOnRobbery nj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:31:32 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: hopeful girl in a dreamy dress I just read an article about The Fiddle and the Drum (it's just been added to the JMDL library) which says: "A recurring motif is provided by a little girl in a white dress who might represent our future, despite civilization's unchecked efforts to derail her innocence." So, I'm guessing the reference in the song Shine is to this girl. I'm eagerly awaiting reactions to the Bravo show from my lucky Canadian friends. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:22:47 -0400 From: "Mike & Alice Hicks" Subject: Shine/JC I've been off the list for almost a couple of years now, but had to get back to the "garden" to read reviews of Joni's latest. For me, Shine is a terriffic album. The songs blend beautifully in the order they are in, but could have been in any order and been just as good. I may have missed this post since I am tardy at signing back on, but does anyone think that in the title song "Shine on a hopeful girl in a dreamy dress" may have been referring to Joni herself? I get the feeling by looking at the picture on the page of the girl in the cd booklet that it is Joni standing there in her dancing attire. As soon as I heard this I got this eerie feeling of what all she could have meant by that line. And, I just wondered why she chose that picture to put in the booklet. I feel very strongly on this one. Does anyone else agree? And please tell me if this is old news to you guys, it won't hurt much. Feels real good to be back! "Good morning people. It's a new dawn." Mike(from S.C.) NPOMC: Foma-You've Killed Private Pyle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:35:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... now way njc - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/07 5:36:11 PM, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > > > but then there > > are the rule-setting petty-minded little tyrants > who > > want to impose their own narrow views on everyone. > And > > those are the ones who want to slap down anyone > who > > tries to be more liberal-minded. > > > > LOLLLLLLLLL this is a very colorful description!!!! > I love it!!! My > family is wondering why I'm ROFL!!! > > Would that be slapping down with a ruler perhaps?! Glad I could make ya laugh, and yes, sometimes it would be slapping down with a ruler (sometimes with a rule.) > Thank God I only had liberal nuns when I was in > gradeschool, but I've heard > of the slap you down with a ruler ones. I did have > a ruler slapper named Mrs. > Willy in 3rd grade, but I had her at the public > school I transfered to for 4 > years. She slapped desks not kids, but it made a > sound I'll never forget. > My sister actually did get slapped with a ruler when she was in Grade 1. Her crime? She made holes in her eraser with her pencil. The teacher was, in fact, a nun, a nasty little creature who should never have been allowed near children. But my Grade 1 teacher, also a nun, was absolutely delightful. I don't remember her name, but I think I was in love with her. In particular, she sang like an angel and that was enough for me, since I always loved music. Most of the teachers that I had who were nuns were, in fact, nice people. A few were not so nice. I never had one that gave the strap, that I remember. Most of the not-niceness was verbal. One was quite sarcastic in a rather sadistic way and another used to tell silly horror stories designed to make us behave like little ladies, but we just laughed at her stories. The only time I ever came close to getting the strap was in Grade 8 when two classmates and I started kicking gravel at one another as we were lined up waiting to go in after recess. I have no idea why we started doing that, but 13-year-olds just do dumb things sometimes for no real reason. We were all friends and liked each other, so there was no battle going on. We all got hauled out of line by the teacher on yard duty and sent to the principal's office. The principal was also our homeroom teacher. He gave the strap to one of us - the one that was a boy. He did not give the strap to the other girl and me. I was galled by the unfairness of it. I'm not a masochist and I didn't want the strap, of course, but I was so upset about the fact that the other kid got it just because he was a boy and we two girls got off with a warning. The boy wasn't a big boy either and was never a troublemaker. Up until that point, I had had a bit of a crush on this teacher but, once he gave the strap to my classmate Michael, I was completely disillusioned. Of course, back then, kids didn't argue back to teachers and I just repressed my feelings of anger and let the sense of unfairness and injustice eat away at my gut. This has come a long way from letting the light shine on the catholic or any other church, of course, so maybe it all boils down to, or explains the fact that I dislike most authority figures and, in particular, those who try to impose their own sense of what is right or wrong, what is fair or unfair on other people. I do like to be able to think for myself and can't understand anyone who wants to be told what to do. This means I have very little tolerance for fundamentalists of any kind because we're not on this earth for very long, and there's a lot to learn and see and do and we need to be able to do that. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:27:58 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... now way njc In a message dated 10/22/07 9:35:20 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > We all got hauled out of line by the teacher on yard > duty and sent to the principal's office. The principal > was also our homeroom teacher. > Hi Catherine, I loved your post about your school experiences. It brought back memories of my own school days. I was a well behaved child until I started high school at an all girl school. The first "incidence" I remember was bringing a squirt gun to class freshman year, full of course, and encouraging a friend to squirt the algebra teacher in the face. My friend did, and the teacher ran out of the room crying because we went too far given all the other little disruptive things we had done that added up and made it impossible for her to teach us. We gave the nuns a big scare when we threw a life size dummy dressed in the school uniform off of the bridge that connected the buildings. A nun ran out of the convent screaming who fell off the bridge?! Then there was the time we put a Grand Funk Railroad cassette in the player instead of the tape that went with the film strip so when it was turned on, "The Locomotion" came on loud, and we all started singing and dancing. I ended up being chased by the nun who was trying to get my tape from me. We learned a lot in high school, like how to pick locks, how to get money from the dollar changer without putting a dollar in, how to get food for free out of the machine, how to change our driver's licenses during class so we could get into clubs and buy alcohol when we were only 16, how to smuggle in and hide an ice chest of beer to drink between classes, and how to play poker or spades during class without getting caught. Senior year I was voted "the number one member of the Mt. St. Mary Maffia." I wondered how they knew. I am sure the prayers of the nuns saved my life given the direction I was headed. They were truly sisters of Mercy. They never gave us the strap, and they never gave up on us. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:44:26 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: BYT (2007) Marian Russell wrote: >> I *love* BYT on Shine. It's just terrific in so many ways: Joni's beautiful voice, new melodic ideas, very interesting instrumentation, great rhythm. I feel happy when I listen to it. It's not a song that has ever been a favorite of mine until now. It is a pleasant and unexpected surprise and IMO it's possibly one of the most creative reworking of one of her songs that she has ever done. Go, Joni! << YES Marian! I feel exactly the same about BYT2007. I've heard Joni play it about a dozen different ways and like this version by far the best. She does a masterful job with every amazing sound on this great song. How many pop stars today could write such a catchy tune, let alone play all the instruments? Answer: none. They're all exhausted in rehab. SHINE totally intoxicates me and there is not one weak song on this ********** album. The one-listen critics have their heads up their butts. I haven't been this excited about a new Joni release since Turbulent Indigo and this one surpasses all of my hopes and expectations. The Voice. The piano. The guitar. The lyrics. The phrasing. The total artistry!!! After 30 hearings I still rate it my favorite Joni album EVER. So that would make it my favorite album ever. Sorry if my overwhelming enthusiasm irritates some fans stuck on Hijera or Blue. Sometimes I feel embarrassed for sharing my strong opinions with total strangers worldwide but it also feels good to be in the company of people who relate to my love of Joni! ET "You see those lovely hills? They won't be there for long They're gonna tear them down and sell them to California... When this place is a moonscape don't tell me I didn't warn ya!" ~Joni 2007 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:51:10 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joy William Waddell shared: >> I find myself walking along streets and singing bits from Shine and realize Joni's in my head again, anew. Joy. I love Joni. Just absolutely love her. << I hear ya WW!!! Today I was finally able to harmonize to several Shine songs and belted them out the window of my car during constant rush hour. I adore having Joni's music and wisdom bouncing around my brain somehow turning the ugliness of our brutal world into total beauty. I share your love and it is so good to know that there are people out there who feel the same way! ET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 02:21:07 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: His Story NJC Marion asked: >> Let me ask another (rhetorical!) question: is there any queen in history under whose reign there wasn't a war or other violent actions? You could say that women in power are still subject to men in power but that's just a little too simple. Women like queen Elizabeth I and queen Christina of Sweden certainly did have minds of their own and real power. What I am trying to say is that we cannot know if women are more peaceful "by nature" than men. There has not been a society yet in which women in sufficiently large numbers had enough power to act in ways different from men's ways in politics. Hence we do not know if women in power would not start wars. It would depend on the kind of society they would be able to create. << The problem seems to be an over-abundance of testosterone which both men and women need to be strong. Some 20 years ago I read a study of the most violent prisoners and the one thing they all had in common was extremely high levels of testosterone. It seems to me that testosterone is intimately connected to the ego. Today Hillary voted to declare Iran "a terrorist state" basically giving W the green light to start yet another war. Joni is right. Our world is going down the toilet because we stupid egotists worship "a vain old god." But I somehow still have faith that our world might yet wake up thanks to brilliant people like Joni. ET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:29:28 -0700 From: Subject: SoCal fires (njc) Just wanted to say I hope our SoCal listers are doing O.K. I am especially worried about Lindsay in San Diego and Lesli in Topanga and anyone else who may be having to endure this nightmare. The San Diego fires are especially horrific, something like 250,000 people evalucated out of very few roads. San Diego North County was my second home for the better part of 20 years. I can't quite process the reports I am hearing about so many places I used to spend time in over the years. They say this is the worst in Calif. history. There are no good answers - except maybe going underground with utilities and building something like the concrete houses they have in Florida now. Still, we are at the mercy of the elements here and this, unfortunately, has been the "perfect storm." I am so sad at the losses and hardship in the areas that are affected. The media never quite conveys how bad it really is. If anyone in the areas need any assistance, please let me know. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #425 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------