From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #424 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 424 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Deep and meaningful ["Gordon MacKie" ] Sing on your phone, Kate ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: Vancouver and environs - Sechelt ["Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" ] Re: Deep and meaningful [Catherine McKay ] answering machine [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Deep and meaningful - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] HerStory: Maggie Thatcher ["William Elliott" ] Re: HerStory: Maggie Thatcher - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: shine on the catholic church... [LCStanley7@aol.com] Catholics [Kate Johnson ] Re: NJC Issa ! ["Barbara Stewart" ] faux strumming [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Bring on the Rockies! (njc) [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: His Story SJC [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: NJC Issa ! [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Malaysian "Shine" ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: shine on the catholic church...NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Catholics - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] SHINE [rian afriadi ] Another English Lesson [rian afriadi ] Re: NJC Blues band [missblux@googlemail.com] A Fine Frenzy - NJC ["Cassy" ] Re: shine on the catholic church...NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Another English Lesson [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: shine on the catholic church...NJC [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC Issa ! [Jeannie ] Re: Another English Lesson [Jeannie ] Subject: Vancouver [Bryan ] Re: Another English Lesson [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Deep and meaningful [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Another English Lesson [Jeannie ] Joy [William Waddell ] Re: Another English Lesson [Jerry Notaro ] Subject: No Fiddle on American Bravo [Bryan ] Re: shine on the catholic church...NJC [LCStanley7@aol.com] Sonnet 100, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:59:41 +0100 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: Deep and meaningful Hello Mitchellistas, Something Jerry N said made me think. ( always a positive thing) He mentioned the possibiltiy of Joni's antipathy to catholicism as being 'deep seeded'. I liked the notion a lot - I had always thought the phrase was 'deep-seated' . So a google later, I found this http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/deep.html Whilst this explains 'deep-seated' as being correct, I still like deep seeded.I think it sounds like a Mitchellism. Maybe we need a Joni dictionary. Bye Gordon in dry but cold Glasgow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:52:13 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Sing on your phone, Kate Dear Kate of the North ! For many years I've used lines from "All I want" singing on my answering machine: "i'm on a lonely road, travelling, trwvelling, travelling, looking for something, what can it be? Oh I hate you some, I hate you some, but I love you, sooo- oome, I love you when i forget about me...?" Isn't that just something !? Love from Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 01:03:14 -0700 From: "Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" Subject: Re: Vancouver and environs - Sechelt p.s. if you're aiming to visit Sechelt as a day-trip, from Vancouver Island, you will find it much simpler, and much cheaper, to take a seaplane rather than drive; there's a couple of companies that fly seaplanes from Nanaimo (near Departure Bay - any Diana Krall fans...), to Sechelt - and that takes all of 20 - 30 minutes, instead of 2.5 - 5 hours each way; the fare per flight is also less than that for a car and driver to make the journey. If you have time to overnight on the Sunshine Coast, then driving can be a good option - as you can be mobile once you're there. By flying, you can take the public transit bus between Sechelt and Gibsons, if you want (that's one hour - by car, you can make it in 30 or 40) - and/or just walk around Sechelt, visit the Sunshine Coast Arts Centre, a well-known haunt of Joni's (she's a patron of the arts, naturally). From Vancouver/the mainland, it's easier to do the Sunshine Coast as a day trip by car. Still on a sunny day, those seaplanes are worth every penny just for the view! Slan, Adrian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:28:10 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: This Place Re David's comments on the rhythm of This Place - it's the 'mixed' waltz rhythm she first gave us on Cherokee Louise, and then on Turbulent Indigo, then on Crazy Cries of Love - looks like we're going to get one on every Joni album now! She described it as her own version of ...the Shuffle? would that be right? A kind of mixture of 3/4 on the guitar, but 6/8 and possibly 2/4 in the melody? I'm always surprised that she can keep the rhythmic tension going when singing these things solo. I love the addition of pedal-steel guitar in This Place - it stops the soing being too reminiscent of Crazy Cries and the others. M _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:20:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Deep and meaningful - --- Gordon MacKie wrote: > Hello Mitchellistas, > > Something Jerry N said made me think. ( always a > positive thing) He mentioned the possibiltiy of > Joni's antipathy to catholicism as being 'deep > seeded'. I liked the notion a lot - I had always > thought the phrase was 'deep-seated' . So a google > later, I found this > > http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/deep.html > > Whilst this explains 'deep-seated' as being correct, > I still like deep seeded.I think it sounds like a > Mitchellism. Maybe we need a Joni dictionary. > I also thought it was "seated" but when I saw "seeded", thought maybe I was wrong all along. Jerry is always right ;-) I didn't bother looking it up in the dictionary, though. Lazy me. Still don't understand why the word "seed" is used in tennis, but there's a lot about tennis I don't understand. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:20:59 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: answering machine I pay a high price for my open talking Like you do for your silent mystery Come and talk to me Please talk to me Talk to me talk to me ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:30:18 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Deep and meaningful - NJC Thanks for the correction. Once I see something "correct" in print, I don't forget it. I found this, too: Those who pine for the oral cultures of Ye Olden Dayes can rejoice as we enter an era where many people are unfamiliar with common expressions in print and know them only by hearsay.* The result is mistakes like 3deep seeded.2 The expression has nothing to do with a feeling being planted deep within one, but instead refers to its being seated firmly within one9s breast: 3My aversion to anchovies is deep-seated.2 Compounding their error, most people who misuse this phrase leave the hyphen out. Tennis players may be seeded, but not feelings. Jerry P.S. I added the NJC to the subject line, so now it really is correct :) > --- Gordon MacKie wrote: > >> Hello Mitchellistas, >> >> Something Jerry N said made me think. ( always a >> positive thing) He mentioned the possibiltiy of >> Joni's antipathy to catholicism as being 'deep >> seeded'. I liked the notion a lot - I had always >> thought the phrase was 'deep-seated' . So a google >> later, I found this >> >> http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/deep.html >> >> Whilst this explains 'deep-seated' as being correct, >> I still like deep seeded.I think it sounds like a >> Mitchellism. Maybe we need a Joni dictionary. >> > > I also thought it was "seated" but when I saw > "seeded", thought maybe I was wrong all along. Jerry > is always right ;-) > > I didn't bother looking it up in the dictionary, > though. Lazy me. > > Still don't understand why the word "seed" is used in > tennis, but there's a lot about tennis I don't > understand. > > > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 06:16:12 -0700 From: "William Elliott" Subject: HerStory: Maggie Thatcher Yes, Maggie is a shining albeit rare example of the un-male, power-hungry tyrant. What she did to the miners in the north was criminal; the scene in BILLY ELLIOT, where the line of riot police confront the striking miners, to the sound of London Calling, by The Clash, provides a brief but powerful depiction of the conflict. For me, the spectre of Maggie inhabits that scene. I was delighted when, in 2002, some daring soul paid a visit to the newly unveiled stone statue of Maggie, outside the House of Parliment, and promptly decapitated her. That incident still gives me a giggle. Sadly, it is being replaced by a seven foot sculpture of Maggie in bronze. I can only hope that some bravely-bitter, torch-weilding welder pays her a visit in the middle of the night. www.maggiethatcher.com Save on Contractor Training. Click Here

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I was delighted when, in > 2002, some daring soul paid a visit to the newly unveiled stone statue > of Maggie, outside the House of Parliment, and promptly decapitated her. > That incident still gives me a giggle. Sadly, it is being replaced by a > seven foot sculpture of Maggie in bronze. I can only hope that some > bravely-bitter, torch-weilding welder pays her a visit in the middle of > the night. www.maggiethatcher.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:49:13 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... Cath-erine wrote: but I think your mother was probably right. God goes up the chimney like childhood Santa Claus The good slaves love the good book, a rebel loves a cause! Hi Catherine, When I took my kids to school this morning, I turned on the CD player in our van as usual, and it was right on the same line you quoted, "God goes up the chimney...." It got me thinking, what in life isn't a fairy tale? We see everything through the eyes of our own reality, our own minds. "It's life's illusions I recall, I really don't know life, at all." Religion is a human attempt at making sense of a reality too big for our little human minds to fully comprehend... just like fairy tales are an attempt to relate big people realities in little stories to children. If there weren't people there'd be no religion; just like if there weren't children there wouldn't be fairy tales. Religion in my opinion is a human thing, and to cast it all off, to condemn it by focusing only on the corruption and bad rather than seeing the human beauty, the art, in it is not very tolerant. Yin without the yang and the ball don't roll. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:11:49 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Catholics On 22-Oct-07, at 2:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > So, is Saskatchewan mainly a Protestant province? I would assume > there are a lot of Lutherans there, having a large northern European > population. There are more Protestant churches than Catholic churches in most towns that are big enough to have more than one church, yeah. Wadena, for instance, the town I live closest to, has a Baptist, a United, a Lutheran, an Anglican and Ukrainian Orthodox, Ukrainian Catholic and Roman Catholic churches. Wadena has a population of about 1500 although I don't think that includes the rural surroundings. My mom used to like to tell a story about the time she took me on a bus trip when I was two or three years old. When I saw two ladies dressed in colourful saris I gasped "Angels!" and when I saw two nuns I said, frightened, "Witches!" Thanks for answering machine tips, you guys! Kate (du Nord) - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:50:26 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Re: NJC Issa ! >She quit realising CD's some years ago, and when I was asking for her CD's in one secindhand shop and a good musi shop in Oslo, they had NOTHING! Shame, but we can get downloads from Sheeba.ca ( http://sheeba.ca/ ) except,some of the downloads are only available to those of you living in the US and Canada. Best and love from a Children's librarian and musiclover in Norway! Oddmund Also a librarian, Oddmund! Barnes Noble and Amazon here in the US both have Siberry CDs still for sale. Try Amazon UK or other European sites.... B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:52:39 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: faux strumming Thanks Paz for nailing the exact keyboard. I can't imagine for the life of me why she would think that was hip instead of playing the DANG GUITAR! I mean she's rated as one of the top 50 guitarists in rock or something isn't she? After several more listens to Shine I'm afraid it has not grown for me. The compositions, lyrically, melodically and emotionally seem lightweight and bland . The mix is irritating because the voice is tucked too deep and the faux instruments are so....1992. Glad everyone else loves it though.. Dave On Oct 21, 2007, at 1:14 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:17:20 -0500 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: Re: Bad Dreams are Good? > > That sound is a patch on a Yamaha synth called a Motif 8 ES. I have > one of them and I always liked it. The keyboard has a programmable > arpeggiator in it to give it that strum sound. > > best > > Paz > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:59:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Bring on the Rockies! (njc) Poor Cleveland got creamed...I wish they could have gone out with some dignity still in place. Ah well. I'm rooting for the Rockies now! Down with the Sox! -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Victor Johnson wrote: Red Sox 11 Cleveland 2 Bottom of the eighth........ Whooohoooo!!!!!!! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: His Story SJC Queen Elizabeth, though a good Queen I suppose, wasn't exactly the kind of person you'd sit down and have dinner with. Very icy I think. Then there's always Queen Mary (aka Bloody Mary) who had more than a few screws loose.... -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Jeannie wrote: I just remembered that Anne Coulter's another cold one from the same barrel of that bitter bitches' brew. Jeannie wrote: It's true what you say about Thatcher. I hadn't thought of that. Then I thought of Janet Reno, too. Just-Ice type of women--cold hearted--just like stone commissions in a park. Witch hunters from a bitter bitches brew. Jean NP: Sweet Bird~~Herbie Hancock Martin Giles wrote: Margaret Thatcher didn't start a war or caused genocide. But she took 40,000 families apart when she destroyed the UK coal industry. (The affected communities took many years to recover). She ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano (3,000 souls) at the beginning of the Faulkland Island conflict. Took away free school milk before she even became Prime Minister. No-one can say that she was being manipulated by men and not be laughed at. She was tougher than any man in her cabinet at any time. Not exactly peaceful and nurturing. Of course you can't draw any useful conclusions from one woman's actions; you've probably got to be a tough son/daughter-of-a-bitch to succeed in politics in the first place. Martin. In London. > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:06:59 +0200 > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: SV: His Story SJC > > Let me ask another (rhetorical!) question: is there any queen in history > under whose reign there wasn't a war or other violent actions? You could > say > that women in power are still subject to men in power but that's just a > little too simple. Women like queen Elizabeth I and queen Christina of > Sweden certainly did have minds of their own and real power. What I am > trying to say is that we cannot know if women are more peaceful "by > nature" > than men. There has not been a society yet in which women in sufficiently > large numbers had enough power to act in ways different from men's ways in > politics. Hence we do not know if women in power would not start wars. It > would depend on the kind of society they would be able to create. > Marion > > - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Eric > Taylor > Skickat: den 21 oktober 2007 09:09 > Till: jmdl > Dmne: His Story SJC > > Just a little comment on "men love war, is that what history/God is for?" > Just the sound of it shakes my soul. > ~A mass murder mystery, history, his story.~ > I likewise concluded that long ago. > Can anyone here name one woman who started a war or caused genocide? > Besides OK Ann Cunter...??? > Oh lord I'm in trouble now! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:09:11 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Issa ! Yippee. Two more librarians! We're everywhere, we're everywhere. Next thing you know the will be a JMDL booth and ALA! Jerry >> She quit realising CD's some years ago, > and when I was asking for her CD's in one secindhand shop and > a good musi shop in Oslo, they had NOTHING! > Shame, but we can get downloads from Sheeba.ca ( http://sheeba.ca/ ) > except,some of the > downloads are only available to those of you living in the US and Canada. > Best and love from a Children's librarian and musiclover in Norway! > Oddmund > > Also a librarian, Oddmund! > Barnes Noble and Amazon here in the US both have Siberry CDs still for sale. > Try Amazon UK or other European sites.... > B > > > > from : > Barbara L.Stewart, MLS > Library - Sesame Workshop > 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA > tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 > barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org > > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that > matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:10:48 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Malaysian "Shine" LOL I was wondering this myself. I'd bought my mum a copy from BAng!CD from whom I have bought before and there is a little hologram thingy in the corner which I rec0ognised as I lived in Malaysia for 16 years. They are bona fide. Malaysia are a CD producing nation (cheap labour, you know how it goes) and they are hyper aware of CD piracy. High-street shops will have the little hologram sticker on it. 'Market' bought cds tend not to and don't have the little sticker. It is good to know that products made in Malaysia for the foreign market have a higher health and safety standard and are usually of better quality than items produced for the local market. I was a little surprised myself. My brother in fact pointed it out. The little sticker is from the Government of Malaysia and has the seal of approval. The CD that I bought at the normal price (12.99 from HMV) didn't have this sticker. I wonder if this was why the cd has the blue band across it. To protect the delicate eyes of the muslim children who might be handling the cd in the shops? lol. I suspect not. Much Joni Zooby On 21/10/2007, Jussi Pukkila wrote: > Hi > > Thought I'd drop a line about my copy of "Shine" that I just got. I > ordered it from CDwow, based on their reasonable pricing. It was 12, > shipping included. It was my first time buying from them. On the > website, they say that their stock can originate basically from anywhere > in the world. So after a bit of wait, "Shine" arrived and the CD is made > in Malaysia! Quite exotic. Well, to me. Not if you live in Malaysia of > course. > > Now I'm quite a "seasoned" music collector and I've seen bootlegs and > shifty pressings, but this looks like the real thing. There are no silly > typos in the small print, which I've seen on Chinese CD's. Also the > artwork is crisp, although I don't have any Western counterpart to > compare it to. I'm in Finland and here you can come across Russian dodgy > CD's, often sold at market places and they can mostly be told from the > real thing with a quick glance. > > The Malaysian copy has the blue strip around it, the "radiant return" > sticker was on the plastic wrapper and there's a hologram on the front > booklet. The case is one of those SACD cases (Super Jewel Box, > apparently), with round corners and the weird shaped back insert. Are > they all like this? > > Btw, how is one supposed to get the booklet out safely, it's got tabs on > both sides - anyone know? Booklet has 32 pages and there's a promo note > about ringtones attached. Sadly no Joni though - the usual Gwens and > Rihannas only. > > The CD has the nightsky design. There are 'Universal' logos etched on > the data side of the disc. hear music/Universal 0888072304574 > > So, to me everything looks OK about this copy. Productwise I'm happy, > although this kind of commerce, with goods travelling halfway around the > world can't be environmentally that sound... I ordered the new Chaka > Khan album from the same store. It will be interesting to see where that > one comes from. > > > --jussi > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:20:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church...NJC I'll agree with that - BUT over the past couple thousand or so years those little minds have gotten much smarter. We know that much of what once required the creation of gods to explain (lightning, the sun, earth's rotation, fire, etc) has nothing to do with the supernatural. So why would anyone think that the things we don't KNOW (what happens when we die, what is the origin of mankind, etc) should be explained with the use of gods? Virgin births, men made from dirt, horses flying to the heavens, magic golden keys, these are all the stuff of fantasy and mythology. There is a *BIG* difference between fantasy & reality, it feels weird to even have to point that fact out. Bob NP: Fiona Apple, "Oh Well" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Again demonstrating the "deep seated" roots of American and Canadian discrimination. Jerry > On 22-Oct-07, at 2:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > >> So, is Saskatchewan mainly a Protestant province? I would assume >> there are a lot of Lutherans there, having a large northern European >> population. > > There are more Protestant churches than Catholic churches in most > towns that are big enough to have more than one church, yeah. Wadena, > for instance, the town I live closest to, has a Baptist, a United, a > Lutheran, an Anglican and Ukrainian Orthodox, Ukrainian Catholic and > Roman Catholic churches. Wadena has a population of about 1500 > although I don't think that includes the rural surroundings. > > My mom used to like to tell a story about the time she took me on a > bus trip when I was two or three years old. When I saw two ladies > dressed in colourful saris I gasped "Angels!" and when I saw two nuns > I said, frightened, "Witches!" > > Thanks for answering machine tips, you guys! > > Kate (du Nord) > -- > http://xoetc.antville.org > Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:11:47 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: SHINE Everybody has stated their opinion about Shine, well, heres mine: When she sang money, money, money... on This Place, I thought she was going to finish it with makes the world go round. But she finished it with make the trees come down It slapped me a little since Indonesia is #1 in deforestation rate. Next lines : it turn mountains into molehills. Well, THAT happens in my own hometown. Joni knows what she talks about. And that folk (Robert Xgau?) who claimed Joni is a bad example of environmentalism surely didnt know what he babbled about. I think the messages about environment (which this album has) can be (or should be) effective. Youngsters may not listen to this album. But a fan of Joni surely will. I believe that most of her fan must be in their 40s or 50s or 60s, we can say : at the top of their career/ as a decision maker. Sadly, our president, Susilo Bambang Yudhono is not a fan of Joni. But, you can hope Hillary or Obama or Gore, your next president, hear this album. Beside This Place, If I Had A Heart and Bad Dreams also belong to my favorite. BYT2007? This is the first song from Shine that i listened. I was a little bit afraid at first. BYT 1970 is one of my favorite. I was just afraid Joni will destroy this song, just the way she did to some songs on Travelogue (mostly Woodstock  strangely, she got a grammy for that). But after listening to it, i knew i was just paranoid. I dont love this version, but i also dont hate it. But i have to say, she gave a new dimension to that song by adding the word so before they paved paradise and put up a parking lot and by changing $1.5 with an arm and a leg (which made this song timeless, no need to worry about inflation). Hana? That song freaked me out. Maybe just like those who listen to Joni since the 60s and shocked by heavily-synthed Dog Eat Dog. The sound of Hana is like Joni meets Shlomo or Dokaka or Bell or any other weird musician who collaborate with Bjork. Conclusion: i think i like this album more than i like Turbulent Indigo but less than i like NRH. 3.5 stars out of 5. NP: Madonna  Like A Prayer Soon will play : The 5,6,7,8s  Woo Hoo (from Kill Bill) Oh yah, i hate the album cover. Just the way i hate CMIARS and NRH album cover. I wish on her next album (if theres any) shell use her painting again. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Another English Lesson Dear English Native Speakers over there, I can't understand the term "Raised on Robbery" Please explain it. Thank you. Rian -- INA Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:33:07 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: NJC Blues band Hi! I'm glad you both like it! If there is anything not not to be liked it's the boys! I used to study with the blond one's mother, before she got him. I wish I'd got one too! For once getting together to see other people's kids perform is a good way to spend a Saturday night! The blonde boy, Spencer,'s father is the dark-haired guy, Bill, who is American and met the older blonde guy, Hoover, when they were both busking in Paris some twenty years ago. Hoover is German but lives in Nice with the dark-haired boy, Jack, his son. He taught both the boys to play the guitar. Isn't it NICE...! Oh and the whole thing is filmed by Spencer's brother Jazbo. What a family! Bene http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q7V_uawaX0 On 10/21/07, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > Hi Bene ! > > I love it too ! > "Bottle up 'n go" > The boys were really sweet and truly enthusiastic ! > Thanks a lot for sharing ! > > Best ! > Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:57:02 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: A Fine Frenzy - NJC "A Fine Frenzy is a blend of sounds and influences. Where there's Ella, Aretha and Louis, there's also Radiohead, Sigur Ros, Aqualung and Keane" HARP Magazine A Fine Frenzy is the music of 22 year-old Alison Sudol. Born in Seattle to dramatic-arts teacher parents, Alison moved to Los Angeles at the age five. With her newly single mother, Alison moved frequently around the city. She developed a strong love for the fantastic literary worlds of CS Lewis, EB White, Lewis Carroll and Charles Dickens, while becoming a passionate author in her own right. Alison also immersed herself in classical music, Motown, Aretha Franklin, swing bands, Ella Fitzgerald, Elton John, Louis Armstrong, the Beatles, Technicolor movies and classic 1950's television. After teaching herself to play piano, Alison increasingly invested her internal narratives into song form. She found solace in the melodic melancholia of new global British bands Aqualung, Radiohead, Coldplay and Keane, etc... She was also moved by the diatonic minimalism of Philip Glass and the transportive allure of Icelandic music (Bjork, Sigur Ros.) Inspired, Alison developed the sound of A Fine Frenzy - hypnotic piano arrangements under classic American melody fused into irresistible, atmospheric songs with the power to reach around the world. Check her out. http://www.afinefrenzy.com/news.aspx Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:09:59 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church...NJC In a message dated 10/22/07 10:21:05 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > little human minds to fully comprehend...> > > I'll agree with that - BUT over the past couple thousand or so years those > little minds have gotten much smarter. We know that much of what once required > the creation of gods to explain (lightning, the sun, earth's rotation, fire, > etc) has nothing to do with the supernatural. So why would anyone think that > the things we don't KNOW (what happens when we die, what is the origin of > mankind, etc) should be explained with the use of gods? > > Virgin births, men made from dirt, horses flying to the heavens, magic > golden keys, these are all the stuff of fantasy and mythology. There is a *BIG* > difference between fantasy & reality, it feels weird to even have to point that > fact out. > > Bob > Hi Bob, I hear you. I once asked the person with the highest known I.Q., she had a column in Parade Magazine, "How limited or unlimited do you think human brain function actually is?" She responded by saying that it is more limited than we might think and used the analogy of different brains of different species and how one can't think like the other so the human brain can't think like who knows what? The evolution of the human brain since the theories of gods hasn't progressed very far. We have different things we've discovered, and we might think we are technologically advanced, etc. but what don't we know? To us "gods" seem like fantasy. But so did going to the moon or even flying at one point in time. One day maybe we will find out that there are gods in this whatever it is we live in. Maybe we will find out that we really are stardust and there is something golden inside of us that came from somewhere and some other life form we can't even imagine... something beyond or super to our current nature. We think we are so smart, smarter than those that came before us. We know different things, but our brains work the same, and maybe we are missing that link that could lead us to understand the mythology that seems so much fantasy to us but might have been based on things we've lost as time has gone on, bits and pieces of data gone extinct. Maybe we don't have as full a picture as those who have gone before us did. Maybe we are losing intelligence rather than gaining it. In my experience, there is only one real sign of human intelligence in trying to discover what we don't know, and that is open-mindedness. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:21:12 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Another English Lesson In order to get by, one needs resources. Most folks choose an honest lifestyle, working at a job and making money to pay for what they need. Others scam, rob & con their way through life. In my mind, I think Joni was saying that the character in the song (a hooker trying to pick up a customer) falls into the latter category, so much so that she declares to be brought up in the lifestyle of illicit behavior. Bob NP: Ray Bailey, "Satan's Horn" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Every little fact you gather grows the knowledge base. The brain functions the same, but the base of knowledge expands and with each subsequent generation the foundation of knowledge is larger. We wouldn't want to subject ourselves to medical knowledge from 100 years ago yet we still buy into mythology that's over 1000 years old, even when it flies in the face of what we know to be real. And if there wasn't so much money & power in play, religion would have been long gone way back when. Bob NP: Joni, "People's Parties" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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This weather feels so fine and the creatures are so calm, except for my Italian Greyhound snooping around the Saltillo tile, looking for something, what can it be? Maybe pecans. Take care. Truly, Jeannie Barbara Stewart wrote: >She quit realising CD's some years ago, and when I was asking for her CD's in one secindhand shop and a good musi shop in Oslo, they had NOTHING! Shame, but we can get downloads from Sheeba.ca ( http://sheeba.ca/ ) except,some of the downloads are only available to those of you living in the US and Canada. Best and love from a Children's librarian and musiclover in Norway! Oddmund Also a librarian, Oddmund! Barnes Noble and Amazon here in the US both have Siberry CDs still for sale. Try Amazon UK or other European sites.... B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King nj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Another English Lesson I never saw the girl on, 'Raised On Robbery,' as a prostitute. I saw her more like one of those toughie off-night back street gals living on the fringes. She's a pretty good cook, too. I've never heard of hookers inviting clients up to their kitchen to share her best recipes with. But, I could be wrong, Bob. Maybe Joni meant for her to be a whore. She reminds me of those tough type of women that could take off to live the lifestyle of a Carney or work the Circus circuit, a free-wheeling and dealing type of woman who's never really ready to settle. NPIMH: a 'River' gently flowing Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: In order to get by, one needs resources. Most folks choose an honest lifestyle, working at a job and making money to pay for what they need. Others scam, rob & con their way through life. In my mind, I think Joni was saying that the character in the song (a hooker trying to pick up a customer) falls into the latter category, so much so that she declares to be brought up in the lifestyle of illicit behavior. Bob NP: Ray Bailey, "Satan's Horn" nj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:29:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Subject: Vancouver Subject: Vancouver Hi All from Vancouver Island-Does anyone know the the exact area where Joni has her place here? I would love to see the general area. I am off tomorrow and I am suppose to get together with my old pal Yael tomorrow. We are suppose to go to a Blueberry Farm and have a cook out and party a bit. This area of the world is so beautiful. I would love to spend some more time up here. As I understand it, Joni's place ("This Place") is not on Vancouver Island, but is near Vancouver (which is not on the island). Yes, it is a gorgeous part of the world. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:46:03 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Another English Lesson "I'm sitting on my groceries.." Think about that for a moment in regards to the female anatomy. "Come up to my kitchen, I'll show you my best recipes" has NOTHING to do with food. Bob NP: Joni, "The Arrangement" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:13:03 +0000 From: William Waddell Subject: Joy I find myself walking along streets and singing bits from Shine and realise Joni's in my head again, anew. Joy. I love Joni. Just absolutely love her. WtS x _________________________________________________________________ 100s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:23:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Another English Lesson > I never saw the girl on, 'Raised On Robbery,' as a prostitute. Just desperate for attention. One of those bar flies, for sure. > I saw her more like one of those toughie off-night back street gals living > on the fringes. > > She's a pretty good cook, too. I've never heard of hookers inviting clients > up to their kitchen to share her best recipes with. > > But, I could be wrong, Bob. > Maybe Joni meant for her to be a whore. I think that she is "sitting on her groceries" makes it pretty clear. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Subject: No Fiddle on American Bravo So, one wonders when the American broadcast will be, or if there will be one. And Charlie Rose, and Tavis Smiley, etc. The Shine media campaign seems to have shut down. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:56:59 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church...NJC In a message dated 10/22/07 12:49:56 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > We wouldn't want to subject ourselves to medical knowledge from 100 years > ago yet we still buy into mythology that's over 1000 years old, even when it > flies in the face of what we know to be real. > Hi Bob, Current doctors do subject ourselves to medical knowledge from 100+ years ago as part of our training, especially doctors who go into academic medicine. When I was young and in the medical school classes, I thought the presentation of the old literature and historical reference to those who had gone before us was a waste of time... get to the real lesson! We had to go to the med school library and dig in the old journals to see how things were described back then. The incredible detail and beauty of those old journal articles were fascinating to me as a student to the point of tears. I was in awe over the first descriptions of the cells of the nervous system. Sometimes, our new way of looking at medicine is less useful than the way it used to be looked at because we take things for granted and can miss things that might save lives. Now as one who teaches our upcoming doctors, I see why we can't forget the base of medical knowledge we've built upon. The first ppt slide of my peripheral nervous system histology lecture is of Santiago Ramon y Cajal because I want the students to gain draw from historic medical knowledge and value those that have gone before them. My first slide of my central nervous system histology lecture is of a young black girl in a similar position as Cajal at the microscope, because we now sit where he sat. I just celebrated 20 years of teaching at this medical school btw. I didn't think it was possible I'd been here that long. Time flies! Anyway, I'm of the opinion that when we become so "advanced" that we disregard old lessons, it will be a sad day for intelligence. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:17:22 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Sonnet 100, njc Where art thou, Muse, that thou forget'st so long To speak of that which gives thee all thy might? Spend'st thou thy fury on some worthless song, Darkening thy power to lend base subjects light? Return, forgetful Muse, and straight redeem In gentle numbers time so idly spent; Sing to the ear that doth thy lays esteem And gives thy pen both skill and argument. Rise, resty Muse, my love's sweet face survey, If Time have any wrinkle graven there; If any, be a satire to decay, And make Times's spoils despised every where. Give my love fame faster than Time wastes life; So thou prevent'st his scythe and crooked knife. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #424 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------