From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #423 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 423 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Bravo [Coleen ] Re: shine on the catholic church... ["Dan Olson" ] RE : Re: shine on the catholic church... [Joseph Palis ] Re: Shine favorite/least favorite../now assholes passing on the right NJC [Em ] Re: Shine favorite/least favorite../now assholes passing on the right NJC ["gene" ] Re: BYT ["Jerry Notaro" ] re: shine on the catholic church [Mags ] Re: BYT ["Marian Russell" ] another favourite intro ["Pamela" ] Re: His Story SJC ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Shine favorite/least favorite [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: shine on the catholic church... [Catherine McKay ] calling on Ms. Parlette [Kate Johnson ] Re: calling on Ms. Parlette [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Bring on the Rockies! (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Vancouver [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: His Story SJC [Jeannie ] Re: Vancouver [Jeannie ] Re: Vancouver [Michael Paz ] Re: His Story SJC [Jeannie ] Tina Turner-the joni letters--njc [Jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:49:44 -0400 From: Coleen Subject: Bravo I'm afraid Bravo in Canada is a completely different station than Bravo in the States. http://www.bravo.ca/ That's why I said I was alerting Joni fans in Canada. Sorry for the confusion. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:57:21 -0500 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... In the USA, we ALL indirectly support the Catholic Church, insofar as they are one of the largest real estate holders in the country, and pay no taxes whatsoever. I thiink Joni's larger point is that throughout history, they LITERALLY have the blood of millions of indigenous (and other) people on their hands. But she also points out that ALL of the churches are guilty of the same kinds of abuses (although by singling out Catholicism, she singles out the worst). I say fuck all religion; "Imagine no religion" (John Lennon). Dan On 10/21/07, Marian Russell wrote: > > "Victor Johnson" wrote: > > > I was thinking that maybe ...... she was talking about > a figurative > > prison, the mental, spiritual place .... > > In Austria, about 95% of the people are Catholic, although not all of them > > go to church. However, everyone who was born Catholic is somehow > registered > with the Catholic church here and has to pay some percentage of their > income > to the church as a tax, and it's very hard to get out of paying this tax > once you get on the Church's register. This is a kind of financial > prison. > > Marian > > NPIMH: If ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:52:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: shine on the catholic church... Or maybe Joni is referring to organized religion in general and its flaws. I agree about Catholicism's ritualistic cruelty by the clergy under the name of purging worldly sins. Plus the guilt that we were (or at least me, a Catholic raised in the Philippines) made to feel when we do something 'wrong' in the eyes of God, that imprisons the mind, the spirit, the soul. Not saying it does not have its merits, but horror stories abound in institutions tasked to bring out the good in people. Joseph np: Martha Argerich - Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto No. 1 Catherine McKay a icrit : -she does go on to say, "Shine on all the churches", so possibly she's telling us that churches are all flawed and need to be exposed to some good fresh air and sunshine. - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 14:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... - --- Marian Russell wrote: > In Austria, about 95% of the people are Catholic, > although not all of them > go to church. However, everyone who was born > Catholic is somehow registered > with the Catholic church here and has to pay some > percentage of their income > to the church as a tax, and it's very hard to get > out of paying this tax > once you get on the Church's register. This is a > kind of financial prison. > Wow - unbelievable! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: Shine favorite/least favorite.. These lists are in order of appearance not preference: favorite: This Place -- really interesting rhythms going on here... is the guitar line a waltz? Like Turbulent Indigo? If I Had a Heart -- a gorgeous melody... "our lovely sky" blows my mind every time. Hana -- I know this is about a movie but I always think of Myrtle... I think it's the "get a grip on your grief". I just love the sound of the song Night of the Iguana -- a great song, descriptive storytelling If -- the first song I have heard in 15 years that makes me want to dance middle range favorites: One Week Last Summer Bad Dreams Strong and Wrong Shine -- the introduction is mind blowing. least favorite: Big Yellow Taxi ... signing off for now, Peace, David Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Shine favorite/least favorite../now assholes passing on the right NJC I believe Bruce Cockburn's "If I Had a Rocket Launcher" is really about assholes passing on the right... its seems to be about other stuff, but I think this is at its basis/core/root. :P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:57:49 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: BYT Like a few people here i've never been a great fan of BYT, for all that's it catchy and clever. I think i was mainly put off by that horribly fake-sounding laugh at the end, on Ladies of the C - i know it's mayby *meant* to sound forced and 'deluded' as the song segues into the elegiac Woodstock, but it always amazed me that somebody with such a ready spontaneous sense of humour could sound so cringeingly fake-girly - and then the horrible voice-breaks in the Woodstock yodelling put me off those tracks forever! BYT 2007 is good, but IMO doesn't beat the live version on Painting... with SUCH a cool syncopated guitar rhythm, and Joni's Dylan impersonation - just brilliant! _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:02:06 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Shine favorite/least favorite../now assholes passing on the right NJC It works for me, I sometimes wish I had a rocket launcher. Take a long look at the people out on the freeways-----sure ain't a whole lot of love out there. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Shine favorite/least favorite../now assholes passing on the right NJC >I believe Bruce Cockburn's "If I Had a Rocket Launcher" is really about > assholes passing on the right... > its seems to be about other stuff, but I think this is at its > basis/core/root. > :P > > !DSPAM:144,471b9d56288961130920074! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:03:18 +0300 From: Jussi Pukkila Subject: Malaysian "Shine" Hi Thought I'd drop a line about my copy of "Shine" that I just got. I ordered it from CDwow, based on their reasonable pricing. It was 12, shipping included. It was my first time buying from them. On the website, they say that their stock can originate basically from anywhere in the world. So after a bit of wait, "Shine" arrived and the CD is made in Malaysia! Quite exotic. Well, to me. Not if you live in Malaysia of course. Now I'm quite a "seasoned" music collector and I've seen bootlegs and shifty pressings, but this looks like the real thing. There are no silly typos in the small print, which I've seen on Chinese CD's. Also the artwork is crisp, although I don't have any Western counterpart to compare it to. I'm in Finland and here you can come across Russian dodgy CD's, often sold at market places and they can mostly be told from the real thing with a quick glance. The Malaysian copy has the blue strip around it, the "radiant return" sticker was on the plastic wrapper and there's a hologram on the front booklet. The case is one of those SACD cases (Super Jewel Box, apparently), with round corners and the weird shaped back insert. Are they all like this? Btw, how is one supposed to get the booklet out safely, it's got tabs on both sides - anyone know? Booklet has 32 pages and there's a promo note about ringtones attached. Sadly no Joni though - the usual Gwens and Rihannas only. The CD has the nightsky design. There are 'Universal' logos etched on the data side of the disc. hear music/Universal 0888072304574 So, to me everything looks OK about this copy. Productwise I'm happy, although this kind of commerce, with goods travelling halfway around the world can't be environmentally that sound... I ordered the new Chaka Khan album from the same store. It will be interesting to see where that one comes from. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:40:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jerry Notaro" Subject: Re: BYT I have a friend here at the University who just did a film called Building the Dream, on the 20th century history of Florida. We had a dinner at his house to celebrate its broadcast here on PBS in Florida. I read in the national Humanities Journal an article on it. The author named it Planned Paradise. I asked the author of the book and the director if either of them knew where that title had come from and neither knew. They were thrilled when I told them it was a take off of Joni's phrase Paved Paradise from BYT! Jerry Michel BYRNE wrote: > Like a few people here i've never been a great fan of BYT, for all that's > it > catchy and clever. I think i was mainly put off by that horribly > fake-sounding > laugh at the end, on Ladies of the C - i know it's mayby *meant* to sound > forced and 'deluded' as the song segues into the elegiac Woodstock, but it > always amazed me that somebody with such a ready spontaneous sense of > humour > could sound so cringeingly fake-girly - and then the horrible voice-breaks > in > the Woodstock yodelling put me off those tracks forever! BYT 2007 is > good, > but IMO doesn't beat the live version on Painting... with SUCH a cool > syncopated guitar rhythm, and Joni's Dylan impersonation - just brilliant! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Feel like a local wherever you go. > http://www.backofmyhand.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:02:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: re: shine on the catholic church Jerry wrote: <<< How much of Joni's attitude do you think is Canadian? When I lived there it seemed there was an unwritten divide between the Catholics (read French, read Separists) and the English/Scot descendants (read Protestant)? Would certainly be interesting to discover some deep seeded prejudice there.>>> in a word...yes. kind of like the elephant in the corner of the room. Everyone cannot help but know it's there, but no one's talking. That's how it was. Complicit silence. Two Solitudes still exists in one way or another. Je me souviens. here's a bit of my story, i was raised. by an english catholic until she married my dad english/welsh/scots (protestant) and mum was made to switch religious affiliation. A Catholic marry a Protestant. Not done. End of story. And yet. A statue of Jesus, baring his heart strung with chains remained on her dresser as long as i can remember. Once a Catholic? Anyway,. with that in mind, . on the inside and outside of our home, the barriers grew high and wide. there were many invisible lines drawn in the sand, against being "one or the other". a protestant/catholic proof fence. even though my mother was herself raised catholic, she certainly had her prejudices. and that could be in part, because she attended an all girls catholic school, stick wielding nuns, the whole bit. in reference to Magdalene Laundries, this was a red flag of major proportions for Joni. I imagine it was something that had affected her on many levels (I dont pretend to know any/ all of them). But, given her experience within the difficulties she faced, surrendering her baby, she would have been white washed with that familiar blame/shame of the girls in Ireland, and beyond. What am I trying to say. It's a ridiculous social construct . Sure, call it a prison. That's what it was, with or without the bars, and keys thrown away. I suppose, for those who have a personal connection to such things, it is a big deal. old wounds and all that. prisons. yep. an imposition of the Catholic Church to say that pregnant , unwed mothers have to be "imprisoned" , pushed behind the heaps of dirty laundry. pull into the quagmire, the sins of the priests who did who knows what. it's not easy to discuss this, but hopefully some of what I am saying is making some sort of sense. Mags, trying to stay on the fence of lurkdom, but not having a great deal of success. npimh: let me speak, let me spit out my bitterness. - --------------------------------- Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:13:38 +0200 From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: BYT I *love* BYT on Shine. It's just terrific in so many ways: Joni's beautiful voice, new melodic ideas, very interesting instrumentation, great rhythm. I feel happy when I listen to it. It's not a song that has ever been a favorite of mine until now. It is a pleasant and unexpected surprise and IMO it's possibly one of the most creative reworking of one of her songs that she has ever done. Go, Joni! Marian - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel BYRNE" To: Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: BYT > Like a few people here i've never been a great fan of BYT, for all that's > it > catchy and clever. I think i was mainly put off by that horribly > fake-sounding > laugh at the end, on Ladies of the C - i know it's mayby *meant* to sound > forced and 'deluded' as the song segues into the elegiac Woodstock, but it > always amazed me that somebody with such a ready spontaneous sense of > humour > could sound so cringeingly fake-girly - and then the horrible voice-breaks > in > the Woodstock yodelling put me off those tracks forever! BYT 2007 is > good, > but IMO doesn't beat the live version on Painting... with SUCH a cool > syncopated guitar rhythm, and Joni's Dylan impersonation - just brilliant! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Feel like a local wherever you go. > http://www.backofmyhand.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:39:18 +0200 From: "Pamela" Subject: another favourite intro Hi! my favourite intro is the one in Cotton Avenue in DJRD...it's great! and that is also the intro that "INTROduced" me in the Joni Mitchell's world 2 years and a half ago!!! Listening to DJRD brings me back memories of that period, when I didn't know Joni at all but she would became soon an important part of my life... thanks to a friend of mine that lent me the cd! it has changed my life. Love, pamela ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:09:41 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: His Story SJC Margaret Thatcher didn't start a war or caused genocide. But she took 40,000 families apart when she destroyed the UK coal industry. (The affected communities took many years to recover). She ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano (3,000 souls) at the beginning of the Faulkland Island conflict. Took away free school milk before she even became Prime Minister. No-one can say that she was being manipulated by men and not be laughed at. She was tougher than any man in her cabinet at any time. Not exactly peaceful and nurturing. Of course you can't draw any useful conclusions from one woman's actions; you've probably got to be a tough son/daughter-of-a-bitch to succeed in politics in the first place. Martin. In London. > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:06:59 +0200 > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: SV: His Story SJC > > Let me ask another (rhetorical!) question: is there any queen in history > under whose reign there wasn't a war or other violent actions? You could > say > that women in power are still subject to men in power but that's just a > little too simple. Women like queen Elizabeth I and queen Christina of > Sweden certainly did have minds of their own and real power. What I am > trying to say is that we cannot know if women are more peaceful "by > nature" > than men. There has not been a society yet in which women in sufficiently > large numbers had enough power to act in ways different from men's ways in > politics. Hence we do not know if women in power would not start wars. It > would depend on the kind of society they would be able to create. > Marion > > - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Eric > Taylor > Skickat: den 21 oktober 2007 09:09 > Till: jmdl > Dmne: His Story SJC > > Just a little comment on "men love war, is that what history/God is for?" > Just the sound of it shakes my soul. > ~A mass murder mystery, history, his story.~ > I likewise concluded that long ago. > Can anyone here name one woman who started a war or caused genocide? > Besides OK Ann Cunter...??? > Oh lord I'm in trouble now! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:26:55 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Shine favorite/least favorite Jim, this is one of my peeves too. What I hate even more is motorcyclists riding between the cars and then jump in front of you. They should not be allowed to ride between lanes and keep the same distance as cars. Whenever I pull up at a red light, a motorcycle weaves through the traffic and pulls up in front of me. Like 2 feet in front of me. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:05:51 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... Thank you, Catherine for that insight on the racial/religious situation in Canada. I found it fascinating. I had some idea but you really put it in perspective for me and I didn't really relate it to Joni's experience much before. The truth is, Joni is a product of Canadian culture and it surely must influence her writing. So, is Saskatchewan mainly a Protestant province? I would assume there are a lot of Lutherans there, having a large northern European population. I am fairly ignorant to religions as I was raised in a strict atheist household. I never learned much about the various religions growing up. The Catholic family across the road from us always scared me a little because they had so many kids (9) and their house was always so dirty. This is the impression that was left on me. They had an aunt who sometimes visited who was a nun and I never understood what nuns were but they treated her with such reverence. I just tried to avoid her. I guess these religious differences have been an influence in the history of every country and weaves its way through the politics too. The two major political parties in Australia - Liberal and Labor have apparently always been aligned with either the Catholics (Labor) or the Protestants (Liberal) and some states have traditionally been more Protestant than Catholic. It's all so foreign to me but it affects my day to day life. Whenever I was curious about religion, my mother always had the same stock answer; "It's all just fairytales". I have never read the Bible or any other religious text so, I'm quite in the dark about some of Joni's references. Thanks to The Magdelene Laundries and a newspaper article I read, I know something about that incident. Joni has taught me a lot. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:40:08 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Worst Shine review! Michel BYRNE wrote: >> Brace yourselves for what has to be the meanest review of Shine yet (in fact of any JM album in a long time?). 'The Dissing of Summer Lawns - is Joni Mitchell ever going to cheer up' In the British magazine 'Word', the same that had featured an interview with Joni months ago. What's infuriating isnt that the writer didn't like the album, but that even though there was no lack of space (this is spread over TWO pages) he gives readers so little information about the actual music, as if he'd only given it one listen. It's all mostly a rant about her self-righteousness and arrogance as a member of the '70s rock aristocracy. No mention of track 1, no mention of Iguana, a bizarre gripe about hidden tracks: 'If' coming in after 2 minutes of silence??? Not on my CD. (Is there a special edition?) Sorry guys, I'm furious - why can't these assholes do their job? M << Perhaps if Joni was not so articulate and didn't include her lyrics with the CD then some people would like her music much more. IMO most people don't want to contemplate reality and just seek vulgar entertainment, stuck in the past. Few face the present and future with a genius like Joni. Some accuse her of focusing on "negativity" whereas I see her taking our bullshit and transforming it into works of immortal beauty. ET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:58:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: shine on the catholic church... - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > So, is Saskatchewan mainly a Protestant province? I > would assume > there are a lot of Lutherans there, having a large > northern European > population. I had no idea, so I looked it up. According to the Encyclopedia of Saskatchewan website, it looks like, at the time Joni was growing up, protestants outnumbered catholics by two to one (http://esask.uregina.ca/management/app/assets/img/enc2/PDF/Page-752.pdf) > I am fairly ignorant to religions as I was raised in > a strict atheist > household. I never learned much about the various > religions growing > up. The Catholic family across the road from us > always scared me a > little because they had so many kids (9) and their > house was always > so dirty. This is the impression that was left on > me. They had an > aunt who sometimes visited who was a nun and I never > understood what > nuns were but they treated her with such reverence. > I just tried to > avoid her. My mother had both an aunt and a cousin who were nuns and many of my teachers at school were nuns, and most of them still scared the crap out of me and I also tried to avoid them. My parents were quite religious and would have a fit if one of us kids missed mass on a Sunday. I really had too much of that stuff as a kid and haven't raised my kids to believe in any particular religion, although we do sometimes talk about various religious beliefs and what different people believe. > I guess these religious differences have been an > influence in the > history of every country and weaves its way through > the politics too. > The two major political parties in Australia - > Liberal and Labor have > apparently always been aligned with either the > Catholics (Labor) or > the Protestants (Liberal) and some states have > traditionally been > more Protestant than Catholic. It's all so foreign > to me but it > affects my day to day life. Traditionally (less so nowadays), our Conservative party (in its various incarnations) was thought of as the "Protestant" one and the Liberal party was the one the Catholics and new immigrants usually went for. The New Democratic Party was considered pretty radical and communist by some. > Whenever I was curious about religion, my mother > always had the same > stock answer; "It's all just fairytales". I have > never read the Bible > or any other religious text so, I'm quite in the > dark about some of > Joni's references. Thanks to The Magdelene Laundries > and a newspaper > article I read, I know something about that > incident. Joni has taught > me a lot. t's useful to know some bible things when you're studying any kind of English literature though, since there are so many references to verses from the bible and so on, but I think your mother was probably right. God goes up the chimney like childhood Santa Claus The good slaves love the good book, a rebel loves a cause! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:18:26 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Shine favorite/least favorite../now assholes passing on the right NJC mia interjected :~) >> I was in the left lane and some guy passed me using the emergency lane on the left only to gain one car length in front of me for the next five miles. This kinda stuff never used to happen in my hometown before. << This kind of stuff never used to happen in my hometown (Pittsburgh, PA) either until about 10 years ago, when SUVs and cell phones engulfed the roadways. My theory is that the microwaves from billions of cell phones, satellite TVs and GPS are slowly nuking our brains and contributing to global warming more than CO2. A German study of dying honey bees found that one cell phone turned on, but not in use, placed beside a bee hive raised the temperature in the hive by one degree and the drones would not return to the queen. Multiply that by SIX BILLION!!!!!! Nobody wants to talk or think about this stuff. Well I do and thank God that Joni does too! ET $ when this place is a moonscape don't tell me I didn't warn ya $ ~Joni 2007 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:25:17 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Vancouver Hi All from Vancouver Island- Does anyone know the the exact area where Joni has her place here? I would love to see the general area. I am off tomorrow and I am suppose to get together with my old pal Yael tomorrow. We are suppose to go to a Blueberry Farm and have a cook out and party a bit. This area of the world is so beautiful. I would love to spend some more time up here. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:32:54 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: calling on Ms. Parlette And anyone else who cares to take a stab at it ... I want to sing the message on my answering machine, using lyrics from one of Joni's songs ... what lines might I consider? Kate of the North - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:54:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: calling on Ms. Parlette Well if you DON'T want people to leave any messages, you can always say, "hang up the phone, it hurts." -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Kate Johnson wrote: And anyone else who cares to take a stab at it ... I want to sing the message on my answering machine, using lyrics from one of Joni's songs ... what lines might I consider? Kate of the North - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:48:55 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Bring on the Rockies! (njc) Red Sox 11 Cleveland 2 Bottom of the eighth........ Whooohoooo!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:52:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Vancouver Hey there. Make sure you tell us how Vancouver is! I'm supposed to visit there next summer. I can't wait! All I know is that Joni's place is just north of Vancouver, somewhere on the "Sunshine Coast." Perhaps someone else could be of more assistance to you to get a more specific location... -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Michael Paz wrote: Hi All from Vancouver Island- Does anyone know the the exact area where Joni has her place here? I would love to see the general area. I am off tomorrow and I am suppose to get together with my old pal Yael tomorrow. We are suppose to go to a Blueberry Farm and have a cook out and party a bit. This area of the world is so beautiful. I would love to spend some more time up here. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: His Story SJC It's true what you say about Thatcher. I hadn't thought of that. Then I thought of Janet Reno, too. Just-Ice type of women--cold hearted--just like stone commissions in a park. Witch hunters from a bitter bitches brew. Jean NP: Sweet Bird~~Herbie Hancock Martin Giles wrote: Margaret Thatcher didn't start a war or caused genocide. But she took 40,000 families apart when she destroyed the UK coal industry. (The affected communities took many years to recover). She ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano (3,000 souls) at the beginning of the Faulkland Island conflict. Took away free school milk before she even became Prime Minister. No-one can say that she was being manipulated by men and not be laughed at. She was tougher than any man in her cabinet at any time. Not exactly peaceful and nurturing. Of course you can't draw any useful conclusions from one woman's actions; you've probably got to be a tough son/daughter-of-a-bitch to succeed in politics in the first place. Martin. In London. > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:06:59 +0200 > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: SV: His Story SJC > > Let me ask another (rhetorical!) question: is there any queen in history > under whose reign there wasn't a war or other violent actions? You could > say > that women in power are still subject to men in power but that's just a > little too simple. Women like queen Elizabeth I and queen Christina of > Sweden certainly did have minds of their own and real power. What I am > trying to say is that we cannot know if women are more peaceful "by > nature" > than men. There has not been a society yet in which women in sufficiently > large numbers had enough power to act in ways different from men's ways in > politics. Hence we do not know if women in power would not start wars. It > would depend on the kind of society they would be able to create. > Marion > > - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Eric > Taylor > Skickat: den 21 oktober 2007 09:09 > Till: jmdl > Dmne: His Story SJC > > Just a little comment on "men love war, is that what history/God is for?" > Just the sound of it shakes my soul. > ~A mass murder mystery, history, his story.~ > I likewise concluded that long ago. > Can anyone here name one woman who started a war or caused genocide? > Besides OK Ann Cunter...??? > Oh lord I'm in trouble now! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:33:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: Vancouver I'd go to the Cannibis Cafe and have fun tonight. I think it's down Hastings way. Jean Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: Hey there. Make sure you tell us how Vancouver is! I'm supposed to visit there next summer. I can't wait! All I know is that Joni's place is just north of Vancouver, somewhere on the "Sunshine Coast." Perhaps someone else could be of more assistance to you to get a more specific location... - -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Michael Paz wrote: Hi All from Vancouver Island- Does anyone know the the exact area where Joni has her place here? I would love to see the general area. I am off tomorrow and I am suppose to get together with my old pal Yael tomorrow. We are suppose to go to a Blueberry Farm and have a cook out and party a bit. This area of the world is so beautiful. I would love to spend some more time up here. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 23:29:05 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Vancouver Thanks Monika. Full report coming. I will try to make it the Sunshine Coast tomorrow. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Oct 21, 2007, at 10:52 PM, Monika Bogdanowicz wrote: Hey there. Make sure you tell us how Vancouver is! I'm supposed to visit there next summer. I can't wait! All I know is that Joni's place is just north of Vancouver, somewhere on the "Sunshine Coast." Perhaps someone else could be of more assistance to you to get a more specific location... -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Michael Paz wrote: Hi All from Vancouver Island- Does anyone know the the exact area where Joni has her place here? I would love to see the general area. I am off tomorrow and I am suppose to get together with my old pal Yael tomorrow. We are suppose to go to a Blueberry Farm and have a cook out and party a bit. This area of the world is so beautiful. I would love to spend some more time up here. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Re: His Story SJC I just remembered that Anne Coulter's another cold one from the same barrel of that bitter bitches' brew. Jeannie wrote: It's true what you say about Thatcher. I hadn't thought of that. Then I thought of Janet Reno, too. Just-Ice type of women--cold hearted--just like stone commissions in a park. Witch hunters from a bitter bitches brew. Jean NP: Sweet Bird~~Herbie Hancock Martin Giles wrote: Margaret Thatcher didn't start a war or caused genocide. But she took 40,000 families apart when she destroyed the UK coal industry. (The affected communities took many years to recover). She ordered the sinking of the General Belgrano (3,000 souls) at the beginning of the Faulkland Island conflict. Took away free school milk before she even became Prime Minister. No-one can say that she was being manipulated by men and not be laughed at. She was tougher than any man in her cabinet at any time. Not exactly peaceful and nurturing. Of course you can't draw any useful conclusions from one woman's actions; you've probably got to be a tough son/daughter-of-a-bitch to succeed in politics in the first place. Martin. In London. > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:06:59 +0200 > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: SV: His Story SJC > > Let me ask another (rhetorical!) question: is there any queen in history > under whose reign there wasn't a war or other violent actions? You could > say > that women in power are still subject to men in power but that's just a > little too simple. Women like queen Elizabeth I and queen Christina of > Sweden certainly did have minds of their own and real power. What I am > trying to say is that we cannot know if women are more peaceful "by > nature" > than men. There has not been a society yet in which women in sufficiently > large numbers had enough power to act in ways different from men's ways in > politics. Hence we do not know if women in power would not start wars. It > would depend on the kind of society they would be able to create. > Marion > > - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Eric > Taylor > Skickat: den 21 oktober 2007 09:09 > Till: jmdl > Dmne: His Story SJC > > Just a little comment on "men love war, is that what history/God is for?" > Just the sound of it shakes my soul. > ~A mass murder mystery, history, his story.~ > I likewise concluded that long ago. > Can anyone here name one woman who started a war or caused genocide? > Besides OK Ann Cunter...??? > Oh lord I'm in trouble now! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 22:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: Tina Turner-the joni letters--njc Her and Herbie, tip my tired face and gaze gently towards this splendid night sky and I dare not look away. Jean Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #423 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------