From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #421 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 21 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 421 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Kerr on a hill- the ghost of my old ideals [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Will You Love Me Tomorrow [FMYFL@aol.com] SV: what if no BSN til 2000 ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Joni and today's artists [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni Mitchell tour [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: intros [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Issa (Jane Siberry) ["Barbara Stewart" ] RE: what if no BSN til 2000 ["Rob Argento" ] Jungle Gardenia ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Shine favorite/least favorite.. ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: intros [mia _ ] RE : Re: intros [Joseph Palis ] Re: intros [Coleen ] NJC blues band [missblux@googlemail.com] This just in!!! [Victor Johnson ] Re: This just in!!! [Michael Paz ] Re: NJC blues band [Catherine McKay ] Carey [rian afriadi ] "Magic" njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] introduction to River--the joni letters [Jeannie ] His Story SJC ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:54:11 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Kerr on a hill- the ghost of my old ideals Hi Gordon. Nice pun. It never occurred to me. On the short tribute on the news the other night for Deborah Kerr, she was introduced as having been born in Scotland but not precisely where. Thank you for the info. I grew up near a suburb of Sydney called, Helensburgh but never realised it was named after a place in Scotland. Thanks for that too. I too always thought Joni was talking about Woodstock in that line. Mark in Sydney (named for Lord Sydney) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 01:14:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni and today's artists I was thinking sting, then read a few posts later that he's playing the herbie tribute... whoa... have they ever collaborated together before? - - ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark-Leon Thorne .... Who would you all recommend to Joni to collaborate with? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:31:13 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Will You Love Me Tomorrow In a message dated 10/19/2007 11:12:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mrianab_5098@yahoo.com writes: > If you know any other songs that > contains Joni on them, please tell me. > Next time Im gonna be ready for such > surprises. > She sings background vocals on Daryl Hall's "Right as Rain" which I think is a pretty song. You can look on the website to see the songs where Joni sang with other artists. http://jonimitchell.com/musician/songsfeaturing.cfm Jimmy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:43:42 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: what if no BSN til 2000 Oh shoot - I just realized I got the abbreviations mixed up! If BSN had never been released until 2000 I think we would all have been blown away by it! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Marion Leffler Skickat: den 19 oktober 2007 18:12 Till: 'Em'; 'jmdl' Dmne: SV: what if no BSN til 2000 Yes, maybe -quite possibly. It was a great song when I first heard it when it was released originally. But reality being what it is, we have heard BYT in so many versions that it's just totally washed out, imo. It's hard even to remember what it felt like when it was fresh and new. I do admit though that BYT on Shine is the best version I have heard after the original. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Em Skickat: den 19 oktober 2007 16:42 Till: jmdl Dmne: what if no BSN til 2000 Last night I thought of this while sitting out on my deck, in the semi-dark, while my dog played (and hopefully tired herself out) - and I was listening to Joni on my iPod. What if there had never been the song BSN til 2000? What if Joni's career and life had moved forward, pretty much just as it did, but with no BSN. And then in 2000 we heard the song, new, for the 1st time on the album BSN. Would have blown everybody away, right? If you'd NEVER heard BSN, not the Judy version - nothing. You knew all Joni's great other stuff, but that one song had never existed til 2000. I just think it would have been so major. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:49:58 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and today's artists Mark wrote: > .... Who > would you all recommend to Joni to collaborate with? > Hi Mark, Anthony Kiedis. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:46:39 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell tour I hope if or when it happens, she will include the south so I can bring my kids to see her in concert. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:01:29 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: intros Kev wrote: > I also love the intros on some of her earlier stuff.. > Hi Kev, The intro from her early stuff that comes to my mind is Roses Blue. Short and sweet, but draws me in big time. Love, Laura xxooooo ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:18:47 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Re: Issa (Jane Siberry) Hello Cindy V! I too was at the Issa gig at the Rubin in NYC last week! Front row, far right. Marvelous, wasn't it? far better than the noisy, small and crowded Joe's Pub as a showcase for her talents. Just when you think she's not going to make that octave change, there it is, pure and entirely controlled. And all the more remarkable in that she played the entire set without amplification, accompanied only by her piano accompanyist, and occasionally her guitar. Nonetheless her ringing or whispered vocals carried through the entire auditorium, and from what I could tell she had the entire audience spellbound. She has evolved into an entirely unique singer-songwriter, adding so many aspects of performance art into her show. The spoken word content of the show seems at once highly plotted and tentative, as if she is verifying her own observations before she speaks. And her wry humour is an unexpected treat. What I find most intriguing is the poetry, social observation and penetrating social commentary of her lyrics, accompanied by original rhythms and tonal qualities in her music. Her commitment to personal enlightenment encompasses all she does. I've followed her musical evolution since she first emerged on the Canadian scene in the early 70s, melding pop and jazz, much in the same way as Joni (tho they are entirely distinct muses). I consider it a personal mission to introduce her music to all my friends, as she flies well below the commercial radar. For those of you unfamiliar with Issa, try "Calling All Angels" - I'm sure you've heard it but never associated the artist with the song. Or seek out "Jane 101", a CD from about 5 years ago that is almost a 'greatest hits' from her early recordings 70s-90s. It is my favorite traveling CD, for popping in the car's player or walkman when I'm on my own and feeling joyful. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 03:30:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Win Tickets to See Joni and Sting Perform at Hancock Tribute Hmm, has anyone entered this yet? I don't see a thread titled that in the messageboard and I don't have $65 or whatever it is to spare to become a member (nor do I care to). Music Is Special wrote: in case you did not see this... Win Tickets To See Sting Perform At The Herbie Hancock Tribute Concert In LA On Oct 28! Courtesy of the Thelonius Monk Institute of Jazz, Sting.com has FIVE PAIRS of tickets to give away to Sting.com Fan Club members for the Tribute to Herbie Hancock concert that is being held in association with The Recording Academy. Confirmed artists for this concert include: Sting, Joni Mitchell, Chris Botti, Chaka Khan, George Benson, Al Jarreau, Nancy Wilson, Wayne Shorter, Roy Hargrove, Terence Blanchard, George Duke, and many others. The concert will take place at the Kodak Theatre in Los Angeles on Sunday, October 28. In order to enter the prize draw for a pair of tickets to this exciting event members should log into the Community area at Sting.com, visit the Contest message board and follow the instructions in the thread entitled "Herbie Hancock Tribute Concert Contest." The closing date for entries is midnight, PST October 24. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:50:30 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: John Mayer and James Blunt?? Are You Kidding? Two pablum-pushers from hell. Not to say they're devoid of talent, but neither of them could take a musical risk if they tried. Joni would have to collaborate with someone who's got balls and an understanding of musical mechanics - Meshell N'degeOcello. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:17:49 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: what if no BSN til 2000 Call me an infidel, but I think BSN is a young person's song, albeit a wise young person with a staggering amount of insight and a unusual wealth of life to call upon. I don't think it would take anyone to the moon were it written by a sixtyish Mitchell--I think it would seem treacly (which I don't think it is) and sentimental (which I don't think it is) and kind of schematic. What I really like is hearing her older voice, her older self who only imagined these things brilliantly when young, singing the song, as on the CD with the orchestra (sorry, still so sleep-deprived I can't recall things easily). BSN was my favorite song for about a month when I was 14 or so, but then not. However when she sang it on that CD with the orchestra, I loved it. I think many young artists, in all genres, do similar things--create something in a kind of world-weary voice, a voice that is authentic, but not quite earned. It makes the particular work they did when young often heartbreaking when one looks at it decades later. If Mitchell wrote and performed it now, for me it would have a kind of icky "My Way" vibe--though not nearly as icky, because what, after all, is more icky? (And I adore Sinatra the singer.) - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:43:46 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and today's artists Paz wrote: > My #2 son would love that as he is on a Red Hot Chili Pepper kick at the > moment > ME TOOOOOO!!!! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:41:06 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni and today's artists My #2 son would love that as he is on a Red Hot Chili Pepper kick at the moment Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Oct 20, 2007, at 8:49 AM, LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: Mark wrote: > .... Who > would you all recommend to Joni to collaborate with? > Hi Mark, Anthony Kiedis. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 12:44:28 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: what if no BSN til 2000 What was more unique about BSN is that it was written by a person so very young. Actually it was never one of my favorites - possibly because it has been sung to death by so very many people but mostly because of my (and Joni's) age when it came out. The Circle Game is another one of these lyrics which, at the time it was wtitten, seemd TO ME to be a bit pretentious. Joni's performance of it later on in Travelogue made it so much more credible - TO ME. But of course, I will agree that the lyrics are the lyrics regardless of who wrote them or at what age. But as a contemporary of Joni and Dylan, part of the greatness of their work was the fact that we, being the same age, were experiencing the same personal development at the same time. We could associate with their feelings and recognise their development in our own. Friends helping friends. I sort of see both of these songs in the same grouping as Peggy Lee's singing of "Is That All There Is?" by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller. Or perhaps even Sinatra's "My Way". Regardless of the philosophies expressed they seem to be so much more credible sung by a person with life experience. So I agree that if Joni had written and sung BSN in 2000 I would probably really have been blown off of my chair. I simply was not ready for it when it was written. /Robban - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: den 19 oktober 2007 10:42 To: jmdl Subject: what if no BSN til 2000 Last night I thought of this while sitting out on my deck, in the semi-dark, while my dog played (and hopefully tired herself out) - and I was listening to Joni on my iPod. What if there had never been the song BSN til 2000? What if Joni's career and life had moved forward, pretty much just as it did, but with no BSN. And then in 2000 we heard the song, new, for the 1st time on the album BSN. Would have blown everybody away, right? If you'd NEVER heard BSN, not the Judy version - nothing. You knew all Joni's great other stuff, but that one song had never existed til 2000. I just think it would have been so major. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:37:19 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Jungle Gardenia I was doing some Christmas shopping today and learned something about an ancient lyric. In 1975's "The Jungle Line", Joni said, >In a low-cut blouse she brings the beer >Rousseau paints a jungle flower behind her ear In 1977's "Paprika Plains", Joni said, >In the washroom women tracked the rain >Up to the make-up mirror. >Liquid soap and grass >And Jungle Gardenia crash >On Pine-Sol and beer. In 1975, she had Rousseau painting a jungle flower. In 1977, she had the smell of Jungle Gardenia. So, I thought there was a vase in the washroom with a flower in it, as a throwback to "The Jungle Line". Wrong. "Jungle Gardenia" is a perfume. http://tinyurl.com/22asjk I knew the lines were about smells that clash but it's more literal than I thought. All the best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:49:45 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Shine favorite/least favorite.. Craig responded: << But it hurts when she calls me an asshole, you try getting out of my neighborhood at 6:PM at night and the traffic is backed up for a 1/2 mile and the only 80 year old grandmother in the neighborhood is stuck at the light trying to see over the stearing wheel of her Nissan Altima. >> The lyric, "another ass hole passing on the right" irks me a little too. The real ass hole is the SUV driver busy talking on his cell phone hogging the "passing lane" going exactly the speed limit and jamming traffic. In the state I live it is legal to pass such oblivious, dangerous drivers on the right. Night Of The Iguana was initially my favorite because it is so blatantly brilliant, but now This Place and Shine are growing on me, not because of the mere lyrics but because of the gorgeous subtlety and complexity of the music. ET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:06:26 -0500 From: mia _ Subject: Re: intros "The Last Time I Saw Richard" has one of the greatest intro's ever written, imo. The music reveals everything one needs to know about Joni and Chuck. Each note is assigned to represent either words spoken in a conversation or Joni's thoughts, and the up's and down's of the melody totally reflect the tone of that conversation - for example, the opening low chords represent the dreadfulness of the impending meeting, and then the middle tones represent the beginnings of starting a conversation (I can do this, it's not so bad). As the notes get higher, emotions runs higher. Joni will say a sentence in high notes, Chuck will respond in a sentence with lower notes, and the very high notes represent Joni's hanging on desperately to the hopefulness of love and life - then the reality crash - the melody drops suddenly. Darkness settles in. Those last chords are chilling. (Of course, there are more emotional complexities in the intro, but I can't write forever.) The song could end after the intro and I would still believe it's one of the greatest songs ever written. Mia "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: intros Dan wrote: << Now that you mention it, Joni's intros have intrigued me over the years. I have taught myself to play several of her early piano tunes ("For free", "Rainy Night House", and "The last time I saw Richard"), each of which has a distinctive and somewhat long intro, which is never repeated in the verse or chorus of the song. The song "hejira" also comes to mind. And the intro to the song "Shine" might be the thing that knocks my socks off every time I hear it.>> _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:12:21 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: intros I like the intros to All I Want -- and its dance-like guitar cadence that always puts me in a jovial mood; plus the lyrics that see-saw from one extreme feeling to another is the other draw. Coyote - the fertile basslines of Jaco P. are so 'delicious' to hear; then Joni's "no regrets, coyote" will come in that semi-spoken way of hers, always gets me. Come in from the Cold - love the crickets in the background; it seems to map out the whole nighttime aura more than any other song of Morpheus. The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines - the sudden burst of energy of this song seems Joycean to me; as though Joni decided that any beginning to a song can be an on-going musical riff; or one that is already happening. Shadows and Light - i like the way Joni's voice sings songs a capella with a certain starkness to it before it gets enveloped in a choir-like cacophony (just like that Asian girl's version of "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" in Julie Taymor's "Across the Universe") and you know there are more of Joni's intros that are impressive but those are my immediate favorites that do not require me to think long. Joseph in a gorgeous weather np: Mitchell Froom - A Thousand Days - --------------------------------- Stockage illimiti de vos mails avec Yahoo! Mail. Changez aujourd'hui de mail ! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 16:17:54 -0400 From: Coleen Subject: Re: intros The intro to Trouble Child will always have special meaning for me. I was 17 and had wandered into a Music World store to peruse the new releases. Court and Spark had just been released and Trouble Child came over the speakers. I was riveted to the spot for the duration of the song; I'm not sure whether I breathed or not. When it segued into Twisted I was a goner. I walked in a daze to the cash register and my musical life changed forever :-) np: Complicated Shadows - Elvis Costello ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:32:43 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: NJC blues band There was a blues festival in Copenhagen, and I went to a concert by a band called The Blue Genes. It's two guys and their 17(?)-year-old sons and a drummer. The audience consisted mainly of their family and a few random aunties like myself - but I have rarely seen a band put on such an amazing performance. You know what it's like when a place is half empty and the music is good but you wish for a better audience. Not with these guys, they really made that little place rock. They seem incredibly talented, to me at least. They do a special trick where the bass player stands behind the guitar player; he plays the bass with one hand and the guitar with the other, and obviously the guy in front does the reverse. Here they are (very cute boys...!). I'd like to know what you think - I think they are fabulous. I asked why the place wasn't full of their high school friends, but their parents said young kids nowadays don't like blues music... ?! http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=blue%20genes%20gross&search=Search Let me know, let me know! Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:42:32 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: This just in!!! Rumour has it I'll be playing in the Joni Mitchell tribute at Soho Restaurant in Santa Barbara on Nov. 11th. Actually, its not a rumour...it is absolutely true! I just booked my flight today. I already know of a few jmdl people who will be attending but it would be great to meet anybody else who is thinking of coming. Should be an awesome night! Victor, needing a California fix ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:52:35 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: This just in!!! I will be in Thailand, but THERE in spirit. Love to all Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Oct 20, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: Rumour has it I'll be playing in the Joni Mitchell tribute at Soho Restaurant in Santa Barbara on Nov. 11th. Actually, its not a rumour...it is absolutely true! I just booked my flight today. I already know of a few jmdl people who will be attending but it would be great to meet anybody else who is thinking of coming. Should be an awesome night! Victor, needing a California fix ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:01:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC blues band - --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > There was a blues festival in Copenhagen, and I went > to a concert by a > band called The Blue Genes. > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=blue%20genes%20gross&search=Search > > Let me know, let me know! > I love it! What's not to like! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 18:29:33 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Carey Hey, this is a landmark. I've just listened to Carey for 500 times on my computer (counted by my music player) That's 1500 minutes. 25 hours. NP: Bjork -- All Is Full Of Love Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:24:27 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Magic" njc I guess by now everyone has heard "Radio Nowhere" on the radio. I love it... on the radio. On the big stereo, the first 3 tracks of "Magic" sound shrill, thin, low-res, and gritty.That's a real shame because under the noise, the E Streeters did a fine job. Every album I own that was made in a home-studio sounds much better than these 3 tracks. Springsteen's "The River" is much cleaner. Heck, "Louie Louie" sounds clearer than "Radio Nowhere". Ironically, I'll listen to the rockers at 1/4 volume, then turn it up for the quiet songs. On Little Steven's syndicated show, his musical sensibility is intact. He still hears subtleties in the songs he plays; he speaks in a normal voice. Maybe Bruce's hearing is shot. Bruce, if you're listening, FOR GOD'S SAKE LET MIAMI STEVE MIX NEXT TIME!!! Anyway, in my opinion, I hear 2 musical references to "Pet Sounds" on "Your Own Worst Enemy". First, that bell at the beginning is quote from the railroad crossing. The kettle drums, the harmony vocals, etc (beginning at 1:45) sounds like Bruce is channeling Brian Wilson too. I like "Girls In Their Summer Clothes" and "I'll Work For Your Love" for their sentimental stories. In fact, I like 'em all, just like "Seeger Sessions". Joni's back and the Boss is on a roll. Life is good. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:22:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeannie Subject: introduction to River--the joni letters Sittin' at the dock of the bay with Herbie Hancock... Rowing, rowing, rowing my boat Gently down the stream Life is but a beautiful, bittersweet dream... Jean Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 19:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Shine favorite/least favorite../now assholes passing on the right I wouldn't take that lyric too seriously. Afterall, she does say "shine on another asshole" rather than "to hell with that asshole passing on the right." She's got some sympathy even for the asshole! Even without that, I wouldn't take it to heart. If you think about it, you can understand. Even though I drive fast (and pass people up) I still have people pass me up. What really irritates me is when I am already driving 10-15 MPH over the speed limit and someone STILL passes me. It's just irritating and I'd imagine that's all Joni means by that. It's pure aggravation. You know you get a little worked up too at times when someone passes you. I especially hate it when the road is two lanes (which soon merges into one) and the person to the right of you speeds up like hell just to get in front of you before the lanes merge. These people think just because they pass you, it'll get them home earlier by what? A few seconds? A minute maybe? What's the rush? A minute or an x amount of seconds isn't going to do shit. Even more irritating is when someone does this to you and then HE/SHE proceeds to drive abnormally slow.... -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Eric Taylor wrote: Craig responded: << But it hurts when she calls me an asshole, you try getting out of my neighborhood at 6:PM at night and the traffic is backed up for a 1/2 mile and the only 80 year old grandmother in the neighborhood is stuck at the light trying to see over the stearing wheel of her Nissan Altima. >> The lyric, "another ass hole passing on the right" irks me a little too. The real ass hole is the SUV driver busy talking on his cell phone hogging the "passing lane" going exactly the speed limit and jamming traffic. In the state I live it is legal to pass such oblivious, dangerous drivers on the right. Night Of The Iguana was initially my favorite because it is so blatantly brilliant, but now This Place and Shine are growing on me, not because of the mere lyrics but because of the gorgeous subtlety and complexity of the music. ET Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 23:37:22 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Banal diatribe To me it is impossible for anyone who truly loves or "gets" Joni's long-evolving artistry to consider Shine as "banal" or "a diatribe." And from people who expect HER to be more poetic...!!! ;~D Herbie Hancock discovered that Joni's vocals are not about words but about sounds as gorgeously realized on River: the joni letters. Tea Leaf Prophecy is a breathtaking example. THIS is the way this song was meant to be sung! I really liked the removal of "study war no more" in order to accentuate "she says she's leaving here but she don't go" because of the sound of her voice and not the words she is singing. This is Joni 101 people! All "Joni fans" who find Shine a banal diatribe because you are disappointed with the lyrics please try this mental exercise: pretend that you don't understand a word of english and just get into the sounds ~ most all played by Joni which is yet another reason I adore Shine SO MUCH. May I predict that we will all be eating our own words after absorbing The Fiddle & The Drum this Monday night? lovingly ET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 03:08:53 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: His Story SJC Just a little comment on "men love war, is that what history/God is for?" Just the sound of it shakes my soul. ~A mass murder mystery, history, his story.~ I likewise concluded that long ago. Can anyone here name one woman who started a war or caused genocide? Besides OK Ann Cunter...??? Oh lord I'm in trouble now! ET $ when this place is a moonscape don't tell me I didn't warn ya $ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #421 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------