From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #420 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, October 20 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 420 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Kerr on a hill- the ghost of my old ideals ["Gordon MacKie" ] Re: first lady, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Passport smiles, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] The Fiddle and the Drum [Coleen ] RE: first lady, njc [Cindy Vickery ] Re: (sjc) Deborah Kerr [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Joni and today's artists [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni and today's artists [Jerry Notaro ] Re: first lady, njc [Jerry Notaro ] top 100 Canadian albums [Mags ] i must confess i've had a marvelous time NJC Deborah Kerr NJC [Mags ] what if no BSN til 2000 [Em ] Re: top 100 Canadian albums [Monika Bogdanowicz ] The last time I saw Joni [FMYFL@aol.com] Ghosts and intros [Michel BYRNE ] Does anyone subscribe to Sirius? ["Kate Bennett" ] intros [Michel BYRNE ] Re: Critiques of critiques and keeping it real [Victor Johnson ] Re: intros [merk54@aol.com] Re: Shine favorite/least favorite.. [Michael Paz ] Re: Ghost of my old ideals [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Joni and today's artists [Catherine McKay ] SV: what if no BSN til 2000 ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: intros ["Dan Olson" ] njc, funding war but not children -- HUH? [Patti Parlette ] intros [Dflahm@aol.com] Win Tickets to See Joni and Sting Perform at Hancock Tribute ["Music Is S] Re: The Fiddle and the Drum NJC [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni and today's artists [Bob Muller ] Re: first lady, njc ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Joni and today's artists [rian afriadi ] Will You Love Me Tomorrow [rian afriadi ] Fwd: Win Tickets to See Joni and Sting Perform at Hancock Tribute [Michae] Intros [KEVIN DOHENY ] Re: SV: what if no BSN til 2000 [waytoblue@comcast.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:58:47 +0100 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: Kerr on a hill- the ghost of my old ideals Hi Mitchellistas, Two thoughts...one Joni, one not a. I always assumed, almost from the first listening, that 'the ghost of my old ideals' on channel 5 was a reference to the film of "Woodstock'. That image is always in my mind at least b. Deborah Kerr ( pronounced 'Car' ..hence the bad pun) was born in these here parts, namely Helensburgh, Scotland. Very pretty but dead. Helensburgh that is. Have a good one y'all Gordon in sunny and above average temperature for this time of year Glasgow ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:01:26 -0500 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: RE: RE : Re: now Issa (NJC) Hi Joseph - I saw Issa 2 weeks ago in the tiny (137 seats!), wonderful performance space at the Rubin Museum in NYC. The new material is phenomenal, and, as I'm sure you know, available on her website (www.issalight.com) for download - she was doing the "pay what you feel like paying" pricing policy before Radiohead started it. It was really an incredible, incredible show - I still haven't quite wrapped my head around the whole thing, and can't begin to describe its impact. She has such great warmth, and it flows through her voice and lyrics straight from her soul and into the room. Anyhow - I'm sorry you're missing the show. Try to catch her next time! Take care - Cindy << maybe a track by Issa -- the latter is performing that same night I go on the air (thanks for the info, Oddmund) so I will just vent my frustration of not seeing the former Jane Siberry by playing, maybe "Lena is a Table". >> _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:43:29 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: first lady, njc Rian wrote: > (ee-boo president). > Perfect for Halloween. Bill Clinton in drag. (Hillary goes in dike all the time anyway.) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:52:46 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Passport smiles, njc Catherine wrote: > After > trying a bunch of times to get it right, I just took > off my glasses. And didn't smile. > Were you thinking... "you bitch"? I had a passport photo take recently and put on my best passport smile. I don't ever want to be kept out of Canada, the land of my birth. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:06:27 -0400 From: Coleen Subject: The Fiddle and the Drum Hi all, I've been a lurker till now, but I thought those of you who live in Canada might like to know that the cable channel Bravo will be airing "The Fiddle and the Drum" on Oct. 22nd. This was in the Toronto Globe and Mail this morning: TELEVISION: MONDAY CRITIC'S CHOICE The Fiddle and the Drum Bravo!, 8 p.m. "I have never worked so hard in my life," Joni Mitchell told The New York Times while discussing the rehearsals for The Fiddle and the Drum. The renowned Canadian chanteuse was given wide creative control on this TV project and used it to full advantage. Mitchell set this ballet to her songs, both old and new, with about two dozen dancers performing in front of projections of her artwork. The final product bears out Mitchell's intense dedication, if not her slavish devotion to the creative process. In addition to having written all the songs and painted all the backdrops, Mitchell worked with the Alberta Ballet's artistic director, Jean Grand-Mantre, on the choreography. Filmed earlier this year at the Southern Alberta Jubilee Auditorium in Calgary, the 60-minute program features the dancers moving to the smooth, sensuous melodies of Mitchell's career, this ballet sharing its title with one of her anti-war songs. In fact, that's the very theme of this ballet - you know, a nice change from all the pro-war ballets people keep writing. Mitchell's songs aren't the only audible accompaniment to the onstage activity, as overlaid sounds of modern war serve almost as counterpoint to Mitchell's mesmerizing music. Ultimately, even if the dancing doesn't appeal to you, this is still a chance to hear one hour of Joni Mitchell, and that's never a bad thing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:56:54 -0500 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: RE: first lady, njc Hi Laura - I'm sure you mean this in all fun and light-heartedness, but isn't this sort of related to that Joni line where "an angry man is just a man, but an angry woman's a bitch"? So... if Hillary Clinton comes off as strong, it makes her more masculine, and therefore, she has to be queer? And what if she is? I'm really looking forward to the day when politicians are judged on their *politics* and not their personal life. Not even close, though, are we? cindy << Perfect for Halloween. Bill Clinton in drag. (Hillary goes in dike all the time anyway.)>> _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:00:38 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: (sjc) Deborah Kerr A short tribute to Deborah Kerr was on the 6 o'clock news the other night. She was one of the greats. Her Australian connection was her fabulous performance with Robert Mitchum in the Australian classic, The Sundownders. Another legend was showcased tonight. An all star tribute to Burt Bacharach was broadcast from Sydney's lush State Theatre. The cream of Australian talent performed Bacharach classics. From Walk On By to What The World Needs Now. Different styles but no one really deviated too much from his arrangements. Except Diesel who Burt complimented and called, "The greatest bass player he'd ever heard". The stand out for me was the gorgeous vocals of Katie Noonan. Kate Ceberano, Dean Geyer, Rickie-Lee Coulter and Leo Sayer also performed with the Sydney Symfonia. It culminated with Burt himself performing his personal favourite, Alfie. If Joni ever comes back to Australia, I hope they give her the same treatment. Her songs are as much classics as Bacharach. Thank you, CC for pointing out Joni's connection with Kerr and the movies. There is food for thought about The Arrangement. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 23:04:36 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Joni and today's artists Hi Rian. You raise an interesting point. I think we all know how Joni feels about most of the current young singer/songwriters. John Mayer might be a good match. As would English artists, James Blunt. Who would you all recommend to Joni to collaborate with? Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:30:51 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and today's artists #1: Keb Mo' Jerry > Hi Rian. You raise an interesting point. I think we all know how Joni > feels about most of the current young singer/songwriters. John Mayer > might be a good match. As would English artists, James Blunt. Who > would you all recommend to Joni to collaborate with? > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:34:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: first lady, njc One of the nasty Hillary haters questioned last night on MSNBC whether she would have gotten as far as she has without having been the wife of a former president. The commentator, to his credit, asked if George W. Bush would have been elected anything had he not been the son of a former president. Jerry > Hi Laura - > > I'm sure you mean this in all fun and light-heartedness, but isn't this sort > of related to that Joni line where "an angry man is just a man, but an angry > woman's a bitch"? > So... if Hillary Clinton comes off as strong, it makes her more masculine, > and therefore, she has to be queer? > And what if she is? > I'm really looking forward to the day when politicians are judged on their > *politics* and not their personal life. Not even close, though, are we? > > cindy > > > > << Perfect for Halloween. Bill Clinton in drag. (Hillary goes in dike all the > time anyway.)>> > _________________________________________________________________ > Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble > challenge with star power. > http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:36:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: top 100 Canadian albums http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2007/10/18/mersereau-cancon-albums.html for those of you who are interested in such things: Joni Mitchell has two spots in the top 20 of this list of 100 albums. 2. Blue 18. Court and Spark Neil is number one with Harvest . Mags - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: i must confess i've had a marvelous time NJC Deborah Kerr NJC http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7051206.stm there's a video clip of some of Deborah Kerr's work. Didn't she appear along side Cary Grant in An Affair to Remember? Mags - --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:36:42 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: first lady, njc In a message dated 10/19/2007 7:58:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, cindyvickery@hotmail.com writes: I'm sure you mean this in all fun and light-heartedness, but isn't this sort of related to that Joni line where "an angry man is just a man, but an angry woman's a bitch"? So... if Hillary Clinton comes off as strong, it makes her more masculine, and therefore, she has to be queer? And what if she is? I'm really looking forward to the day when politicians are judged on their *politics* and not their personal life. Not even close, though, are we? Hi Cindy, Halloween is light-hearted fun. So, yes. I think I'll go as a bitch this year. Hillary is a queer woman which is another thing I like about her in addition to her being strong. I hope it affects her politics. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:37:45 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: first lady, njc In a message dated 10/19/2007 8:34:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, notaro@stpt.usf.edu writes: One of the nasty Hillary haters questioned last night on MSNBC whether she would have gotten as far as she has without having been the wife of a former president. The commentator, to his credit, asked if George W. Bush would have been elected anything had he not been the son of a former president. good one! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:37:53 -0300 From: "Miguel Arrondo" Subject: Will she be in NYC in November? Hello, everyone there in the Joni Fans World Wide Web! Just a question, maybe some of you may know or have the information. My wife is traveling to New York City on the first days of November, and I'm wondering if there is any Joni related activity scheduled for those day in the big apple (painting exhibitions, some TV interview, anything that can be recorded / photographed, well, you'll know). It's even on the days of Miss Mitchell birthday! Since I'm staying home with the kids, she (my beloved wife) has the moral obligation of coming back home with Shine, River and the two other CDs related to Joni that Starbucks had released, at least, besides of some books that are impossible to find here in Buenos Aires. And it would be extraordinarily nice to have some other Joni related souvenir, like a snapshot of one of her paintings, or anything. Tell me please of any event that you may know beetwen Nov 1st and 9th, and help her become an even better wife, if it's possible! Saludos, Miguel N.P.: Fotheringay, Fairport Convention ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:34:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Branyon Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #330 All but Iquana, If and Hana on Shine are diatribes, and often lazy writing. Joni figured, what the hey, might as well use my influence to remind my devotee's that America is heading the exact wrong way environmentally and in foreign policy. Occasionally she hits a good polished phrase, but mainly the poems are essays. Which is fine with me. I'm trying to stop environmental rape in one of the most beautiful places on earth, Asheville, by apostate hippie city counselors. But what do I, and Joni, expect. The world is still in the dark ages, with just a few blips or reason in ancient Greece, the Renaissance, the enlightenment and the 1960's and 70's. The good part is that the 60's rev was the widest spread in history, and questioned the most sacred cows. The bad news is most baby boomers are going for security now instead of using hard learned lessons to get power and truly express the ideals of the sixties. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 07:41:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: what if no BSN til 2000 Last night I thought of this while sitting out on my deck, in the semi-dark, while my dog played (and hopefully tired herself out) - and I was listening to Joni on my iPod. What if there had never been the song BSN til 2000? What if Joni's career and life had moved forward, pretty much just as it did, but with no BSN. And then in 2000 we heard the song, new, for the 1st time on the album BSN. Would have blown everybody away, right? If you'd NEVER heard BSN, not the Judy version - nothing. You knew all Joni's great other stuff, but that one song had never existed til 2000. I just think it would have been so major. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: top 100 Canadian albums It's also nice to see an album like THOSL getting some acclaim. Its on the list as well! -M Mags wrote: http://www.cbc.ca/arts/music/story/2007/10/18/mersereau-cancon-albums.html for those of you who are interested in such things: Joni Mitchell has two spots in the top 20 of this list of 100 albums. 2. Blue 18. Court and Spark Neil is number one with Harvest . Mags - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:13:02 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: The last time I saw Joni I was just looking at the JoniMitchell.com home page, and it where it shows "Where was Joni on this day?", I saw 2001 Toronto, ON. Damn, where has the time gone? It was six years ago when I, along with several JMDLer's got to see Joni at Liberty Grand-Exhibition Place where she was honored. Six years is a long time without seeing you Joni. I do hope you do a few concerts. Pretty Please!!! Happy Friday Everyone, Jimmy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:52:09 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: Ghosts and intros Delighted to find someone inspired by lyrics i'd dissed, Eric! And I admit 'turning moutains into molehills' IS memorable. Like Bobsat (and speaking as an ex-, and never-again-to-be-Catholic), I'm uncomfortable with the dig at the Church in 'Shine' - it just doesnt resonate, and to me seems either too obscure to make sense, or ill-informed. If it's a reference to the magdalene Laundries it's years too late. Why not attack the Church for its lack of love in dealing with victims of abuse and its protection of abusing clergy - now THERE's a truly outrageous stance by the Church hierarchy, and a real issue for our times. DJRD: Like Deb I'd always imagined that 'biographically' in DJRD Joni had seen footage of Woodstock or the like, or maybe herself in a younger more naive, idealistic performance. That line, with 'and it howled so spooky for its eagle soul', is just superb - definitely one of my top three JM songs. M _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:30:12 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Does anyone subscribe to Sirius? That would be meg's lunch & joni's breakfast :~} >Meg's Lunch with Joni 10/19 at 1 pm ET< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:02:38 +0000 From: Michel BYRNE Subject: intros Sorry, what I meant to contribute to was the intros thread! Too much interesting stuff going on. IMHO, J's best intros are on Hejira. One of the disappointments of TT was that guitar intros all simply consisted of the guitar part played behind the vocal during the song. In Hejira, many of the intros create a landscape of their own, and then move into the backing for the verses (Song for Sharon, Refuge, especially; but also Blue Motel Room, Black Crow; and of course in Amelia, the 'intro' riff becomes like a chorus in itself). SO much more imaginative than simply announcing the chord structure of the song. Much like the rich piano intros of Shine, in fact. M _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:05:51 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Critiques of critiques and keeping it real On Oct 19, 2007, at 12:15 AM, Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > Similarly, for most on this list, our remarks are intended not > simply to get > our thoughts out, but to evoke further commentary (pro or con, > analytical or > emotional) about them and further discussion on the topic. If ET > didn't warm > up to Cassy's comments, I am fine to hear it - just as I am OK to > hear about > Victor's unhappiness with ET's response. The difference is the > irony - Victor > is complaining about another's response because that other person > complained > about another's response. (He also complained about others who > complained > about Joni's prayer for the sinful Catholic church). I'm not complaining about anything nor am I unhappy. I simply made an observation. It's all well and good to evoke further commentary but clearly the comments in question were snide, and directed towards the person who posted, rather than the topic being discussed, Joni's album "Shine." We should be able to discuss Joni's work without making assumptions about other listers, that are way off base, or making petty insults just because they hold a different opinion. Personally, I really don't care what people write...they can say whatever they wish, this is an open forum. I promise you it has no stake in my state of happiness. I don't have a clue where you get the idea I was complaining. If you can't see the difference between these posts then maybe you should read them again. Just like Cassy, Em, and Azeem, I was making the point that it doesn't matter if other people have different opinions. They should be able to share them without being insulted. Please leave me out of your discussion. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:28:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Lyrics vs music >Honestly I believe she is today's Voice In The Wilderness (even more than Bono and Al Gore).< Well, I give her credit for brilliantly tapping into the 'we've got to get ourselves back to the garden' movement & for writing 'they paved paradise" all those years ago but I don't think she's a leading voice in the wilderness these days although I do say hooray for her for commenting on such things I finally got my copy of Shine & haven't listened enough to coherently comment but I can say that I think it is beyond a miracle that we have this new album to listen to & I love hearing her beautiful healed mature voice & lovely piano High five Joni! >So I apparently am the only person who would want Travelogue if stranded on a desert isle?< You are not alone, I'd take T'logue to my desert isle for sure! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:38:08 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: intros I don't know if it can technically be called an intro, but Overture from DJRD is simply my favorite lead-in ever.? I rattle the windows with this one everytime I play it.? And Jaco's playing on this is perfect - that one long sustained bass note blows me. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: Michel BYRNE To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:02 pm Subject: intros Sorry, what I meant to contribute to was the intros thread! Too much interesting stuff going on. IMHO, J's best intros are on Hejira. One of the disappointments of TT was that guitar intros all simply consisted of the guitar part played behind the vocal during the song. In Hejira, many of the intros create a landscape of their own, and then move into the backing for the verses (Song for Sharon, Refuge, especially; but also Blue Motel Room, Black Crow; and of course in Amelia, the 'intro' riff becomes like a chorus in itself). SO much more imaginative than simply announcing the chord structure of the song. Much like the rich piano intros of Shine, in fact. M _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:03:43 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Shine favorite/least favorite.. My fave is a tie between One Week Last Summer and If. The only one I have a little trouble with is Hana. That infernal drum machine loopy thing drives me nuts. Paz On the road headed to Seattle Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Oct 18, 2007, at 6:39 AM, Happy The Man wrote: My favorite: One Week Last Summer Least Favorite: Hmmmm...let me listen to it another 100x and I'll still wrestle. But it hurts when she calls me an asshole, you try getting out of my neighborhood at 6:PM at night and the traffic is backed up for a 1/2 mile and the only 80 year old grandmother in the neighborhood is stuck at the light trying to see over the stearing wheel of her Nissan Altima. Peace, Craig NP: Glen Hansard Marketa Irglova - This Low ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:07:36 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Popular Opinion... NOT! - NJC My hero wrote: <<< Personally, I really don't care what people write...they can say whatever they wish, this is an open forum. I promise you it has no stake in my state of happiness. >>> I have to say that I feel the same way about comments on the group, however, when it's me that is the token silhouette-target it certainly affects my state of happiness. I'm getting way more credit than I deserve. I hate to imagine how folks would have reacted if I'd posted an in-depth critique rather than piggy-backing a short paragraph onto an unrelated post. <<< it doesn't matter if other people have different opinions. They should be able to share them without being insulted. >>> I have read all of the posts regarding "Shine" some of them were lengthy and detailed and though I disagreed with some of them I am a firm believer that people are entitled to their viewpoint. I have even been known to change my mind on topics from time to time when well thought out arguments are presented by the opposing perspective. I value almost everyone's opinion on this group. I do not bitch when someone doesn't agree with me, I haven't sniped at people who are not at all on my wavelength and have insulted me personally. I am not exactly sure why my opinions are any less valid because I don't like the new CD. I will not detail my reasons for not liking it because I refuse to put myself in the position of defending the stance for all those who wrote me offlist to say they agreed with me but did not want to say so publicly. It's a shame when folks fear expressing their opinions because of potential backlash from their peers. I enjoy a healthy debate as much as the next person but personal written attacks have no place in my life and frankly I refuse to participate in a discussion where my integrity comes into question because of my personal taste. I have always tried to contribute positive things to the JMDL both Joni-related and not Joni-related. I have tried to remember the NJC tag when it's appropriate (we've all screwed that one up from time to time) and generally to be a productive part of the group. I still love Joni even though I'm disappointed in her latest offering. If you don't like what I have to say, tune me out man! Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Ghost of my old ideals I thought something along the same lines. I figured she saw something with herself in it (from the 60's) or some program that was from the 60's or about the 60's and was reminded on how different her hopes and dreams and all that was from the present. You know, sort of a coming to terms with those changes but, yes, feeling a little sad at the same time. -Monika Deb Messling wrote: I always assumed she was referring to Celebration at Big Sur, which I saw on a re-run channel in New York that would have been 5, 9 or 11) a couple of times. I thought she was looking at herself as an idealistic young thing and feeling sad about that. The line "howled so spooky for its eagle soul" made me think of Joni's singing in that movie. - ---- Original message ---- >Of course this just makes me want to ask Joni my number one question for her: >"What was the movie that prompted 'last night the ghost of my old ideals re-ran >on Channel 5' in DJRD?" Deb Messling http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 11:27:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni and today's artists - ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark-Leon Thorne To: mrianab_5098@yahoo.com Cc: JMDL Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04:36 AM Subject: Joni and today's artists .... Who would you all recommend to Joni to collaborate with? Mark in Sydney - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timbaland. Not even joking. Everyone collaborates with Timbaland (or he with them). And she'd probably sell a lot of records too. Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:12:13 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: what if no BSN til 2000 Yes, maybe -quite possibly. It was a great song when I first heard it when it was released originally. But reality being what it is, we have heard BYT in so many versions that it's just totally washed out, imo. It's hard even to remember what it felt like when it was fresh and new. I do admit though that BYT on Shine is the best version I have heard after the original. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Em Skickat: den 19 oktober 2007 16:42 Till: jmdl Dmne: what if no BSN til 2000 Last night I thought of this while sitting out on my deck, in the semi-dark, while my dog played (and hopefully tired herself out) - and I was listening to Joni on my iPod. What if there had never been the song BSN til 2000? What if Joni's career and life had moved forward, pretty much just as it did, but with no BSN. And then in 2000 we heard the song, new, for the 1st time on the album BSN. Would have blown everybody away, right? If you'd NEVER heard BSN, not the Judy version - nothing. You knew all Joni's great other stuff, but that one song had never existed til 2000. I just think it would have been so major. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:29:41 -0500 From: "Dan Olson" Subject: Re: intros Now that you mention it, Joni's intros have intrigued me over the years. I have taught myself to play several of her early piano tunes ("For free", "Rainy Night House", and "The last time I saw Richard"), each of which has a distinctive and somewhat long intro, which is never repeated in the verse or chorus of the song. The song "hejira" also comes to mind. And the intro to the song "Shine" might be the thing that knocks my socks off every time I hear it. ~Dan On 10/19/07, Michel BYRNE wrote: > > Sorry, what I meant to contribute to was the intros thread! Too much > interesting stuff going on. > IMHO, J's best intros are on Hejira. One of the disappointments of TT was > that > guitar intros all simply consisted of the guitar part played behind the > vocal > during the song. In Hejira, many of the intros create a landscape of their > own, and then move into the backing for the verses (Song for Sharon, > Refuge, > especially; but also Blue Motel Room, Black Crow; and of course in Amelia, > the > 'intro' riff becomes like a chorus in itself). SO much more imaginative > than > simply announcing the chord structure of the song. Much like the rich > piano > intros of Shine, in fact. > M > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. > http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:40:05 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, funding war but not children -- HUH? Shine on good earth, good air, good water And a safe place For kids to play Shine on bombs exploding Half a mile away Warning: going down down down the dark ladder to politics here. Whoa Nelly! Did you hear what Rep. Pete Stark said to Congress after they did not overturn Bush's veto of the children's health care program (that would cost 10 weeks of what the war costs?). "You don't have money to fund the war or children," Stark declared. "But you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we can get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the President's amusement." I saw on CNN this morning that a poll was running something like 88% saying he should NOT apologize for saying that. IMO, he's speaking truth to power. I've never heard of him before, so I'm not defending his whole record or nuthin'... I just found it very refreshing to hear that this morning. If you're feeling contempt, then you tell it! And I just got an email from Harry Reid, in which he writes: "On Wednesday, President Bush was asked why he vetoed the CHIP legislation that would provide health care to almost ten million children. His response: "to ensure that I am relevant". It is amazing that he thinks his relevancy is more important than health care for ten million children." CHILDREN! Innocent children, for crying out loud! This "Decider" just gets crazier and crazier. (That's putting it kindly.) Shine on lousy leadership Licensed to kill! Peace, Patti P., racing away to Willimantic Peace Vigil N.E. CT Coalition for Peace & Justice Bring signs, banners, wear black and bring a friend or two or three or more. Write a letter to the editor of your paper. Tell others about this 3rd Friday every month Iraq Moratorium project! Help grow this month by month. 10/19/2007 5 - 6 p.m., Intersection of Main St. & Jackson Street, The Frog Bridge Bon weekend, tout le Jonimonde! _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: what if no BSN til 2000 Hmm, that's a good question. I think the song would still have had an impact today as it really does seem like it is written by a person who had witnessed years and years and years of life. It's kind of ironic Joni wrote it so young but at the same time, she did go through a lot. I suppose it would have almost been a "swan song" for Joni at that point. Shortly after that (2002?), didn't she announce her retirement? That song would have served as a "goodbye" of sorts...until....2007. Sadly though, I don't think it would have made a WORLDWIDE, EXPLOSIVE impact as Joni's commercial peak has long passed. I can't remember what was popular in 2000 but whatever it was would probably have still overshadowed this song unfortunately. I think the song would have been held up high (by fans, critics, etc) but it wouldn't be the same. -Monika Em wrote: Last night I thought of this while sitting out on my deck, in the semi-dark, while my dog played (and hopefully tired herself out) - and I was listening to Joni on my iPod. What if there had never been the song BSN til 2000? What if Joni's career and life had moved forward, pretty much just as it did, but with no BSN. And then in 2000 we heard the song, new, for the 1st time on the album BSN. Would have blown everybody away, right? If you'd NEVER heard BSN, not the Judy version - nothing. You knew all Joni's great other stuff, but that one song had never existed til 2000. I just think it would have been so major. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:46:26 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: intros To me the unforgettable ones are to Tin Angel, Chelsea Morning and, especially, All I Want. DAVID LAHM ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:21:43 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Win Tickets to See Joni and Sting Perform at Hancock Tribute in case you did not see this... Win Tickets To See Sting Perform At The Herbie Hancock Tribute Concert In LA On Oct 28! Courtesy of the Thelonius Monk Institute of Jazz, Sting.com has FIVE PAIRS of tickets to give away to Sting.com Fan Club members for the Tribute to Herbie Hancock concert that is being held in association with The Recording Academy. Confirmed artists for this concert include: Sting, Joni Mitchell, Chris Botti, Chaka Khan, George Benson, Al Jarreau, Nancy Wilson, Wayne Shorter, Roy Hargrove, Terence Blanchard, George Duke, and many others. The concert will take place at the Kodak Theatre in Los Angeles on Sunday, October 28. In order to enter the prize draw for a pair of tickets to this exciting event members should log into the Community area at Sting.com, visit the Contest message board and follow the instructions in the thread entitled "Herbie Hancock Tribute Concert Contest." The closing date for entries is midnight, PST October 24. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:50:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Fiddle and the Drum NJC Hi Coleen, Thanks for de-lurking and for the announcement - I'm looking forward to the broadcast! Don't be a stranger - everyone has something to offer. Bob NP: Alice Russell, "High Up On The Hook" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:53:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni and today's artists Since she seems to enjoy collaborating with bassists (Klein, Mingus, Jaco) I would suggest Me'Shell Ndegeocello. She's obviously a fan as she performed "Cherokee Louise" at Carnegie Hall, and she's a strong woman like Joni - and she's real damn talented. Bob PS: Speaking of Bacharach, the first time I heard "One Week Last Summer" I thought it sounded a bit like a Burt riff. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:58:27 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: first lady, njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Vickery" > I'm really looking forward to the day when politicians are judged on > their > *politics* and not their personal life. Not even close, though, are > we? Or their public 'image' or persona or whatever you want to call it. You practically have to be a tv star to get elected in the US nowadays. Not to mention how much money you can raise or spend! The US national news keeps close tabs on that as if it's going to be the determining factor in the US presidential race. And are they wrong about that? I have to wonder. Mark in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Re: Joni and today's artists No! Timbaland is not suitbale for Joni. His music is too (sorry timbo) "cesspool" (it seems like now i use the word "cesspool" too much) Me'Shell may be better. I love his bassline on Madonna's I'd Rather Be Your Lover (from Bedtime Stories, 1994) What about U2? 1. Their music is not cesspool 2. They care about ecology too. NP: The Beat of Black Wings Catherine McKay wrote: ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark-Leon Thorne To: mrianab_5098@yahoo.com Cc: JMDL Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:04:36 AM Subject: Joni and today's artists ..... Who would you all recommend to Joni to collaborate with? Mark in Sydney - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Timbaland. Not even joking. Everyone collaborates with Timbaland (or he with them). And she'd probably sell a lot of records too. Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: rian afriadi Subject: Will You Love Me Tomorrow Dear Hell, Will You Love Me Tomorrow has always been one of my favorite since the day my dad played that song. I remember it was 1992, few months before my 6th birthday. I liked the tune, i began to humm. (Dont you find it odd to see a 6 year old child humming the tune of a song as fragile as WYLMT?) Now, 15 years later, after thousands of hummings and singings, you told me theres Joni on that song. Even tough I knew Joni just two years ago (i saw her photo on Rolling Stone Indonesia), and listened to her music just one year ago, i knew i love her more than i love Carole or James (which i knew so much earlier). And being told theres Joni on one of my favorite song really changed my point of view on that song. The song will never be the same again. Its such a huge surprise. Thanks Hell, If you know any other songs that contains Joni on them, please tell me. Next time Im gonna be ready for such surprises. Oh yah, i already know Herbies Gerhswins World and Janets Got Till Its Gone. NP : Carole King  Been To Canaan  from Rhymes and Reasons. Ah, thats 5 seconds ago NP : CSN&Y  Woodstock. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 22:55:05 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Fwd: Win Tickets to See Joni and Sting Perform at Hancock Tribute fyi ya'll Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com Begin forwarded message: From: "Music Is Special" Date: October 19, 2007 5:21:43 PM CDT To: "Joni List" Subject: Win Tickets to See Joni and Sting Perform at Hancock Tribute Reply-To: "Music Is Special" in case you did not see this... Win Tickets To See Sting Perform At The Herbie Hancock Tribute Concert In LA On Oct 28! Courtesy of the Thelonius Monk Institute of Jazz, Sting.com has FIVE PAIRS of tickets to give away to Sting.com Fan Club members for the Tribute to Herbie Hancock concert that is being held in association with The Recording Academy. Confirmed artists for this concert include: Sting, Joni Mitchell, Chris Botti, Chaka Khan, George Benson, Al Jarreau, Nancy Wilson, Wayne Shorter, Roy Hargrove, Terence Blanchard, George Duke, and many others. The concert will take place at the Kodak Theatre in Los Angeles on Sunday, October 28. In order to enter the prize draw for a pair of tickets to this exciting event members should log into the Community area at Sting.com, visit the Contest message board and follow the instructions in the thread entitled "Herbie Hancock Tribute Concert Contest." The closing date for entries is midnight, PST October 24. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 21:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: Intros Hejira has some of Joni's greatest intros..No one can argue that..But I also love the intros on some of her earlier stuff.. Tin Angel comes to mind ..It's such a foreboding opening..You know you are in for something..Later on Chinese Cafe has an awesome opening..It's really hard to narrow it down because looking closely at it..Our girl has some pretty amazing Intros to most of her songs..If I had to pick an absolute favorite it would have to be Court and Spark It's so simple yet complex..It always takes me to such a wonderful place..I know that I am in for a glorious musical ride that is the court and spark album..I often wonder if that was the first song she wrote for that album..It is the perfect opening...hope all of you are well and to our friends experiencing crazy weather and storms be safe and I love you :) xoxoKev Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 04:39:45 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: SV: what if no BSN til 2000 I was playing at a retirement home tonight in Augusta for the residents, kind of an informal setting, and I decided to play Both Sides Now which I had actually never played before, believe it or not. But honestly I enjoyed it so much, especially singing for these people in their 70's, 80's, 90's who really have seen things from so many sides. It's a fun song to sing...maybe it seems fresh to me since I've never really played around with it much. Victor in Augusta - -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Marion Leffler" > Yes, maybe -quite possibly. It was a great song when I first heard it when > it was released originally. But reality being what it is, we have heard BYT > in so many versions that it's just totally washed out, imo. It's hard even > to remember what it felt like when it was fresh and new. I do admit though > that BYT on Shine is the best version I have heard after the original. > Marion ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #420 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------