From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #417 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 17 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 417 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: first lady, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Lucky NEasters Heads Up [Michael Paz ] Lucky NEasters Heads Up [Michael Paz ] Re: online site for learning music theory [jeannie ] Re: The way I see it, Shine... [jeannie ] re: FW: question from website/Passion Play [c Karma ] re: FW: question from website/Passion Play [c Karma ] Re: Lucky NEasters Heads Up -- John Kelly 11/1/07 [Smurf ] Re: Car On A Hill...(long) ["Cassy" ] Clintons involved in lawsuit - NJC - Political Content ["Cassy" ] Re: Nash & Crosby on CNN NJC [Em ] Re: Amelia [Em ] Subject: NJC All that jazz... ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] NJC Read.....for your own privacy.... [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: Another English lesson : A Case of You [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:58:28 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: first lady, njc Marianne inquired: > When we have a woman president are we going to call the husband the first > gentleman? > > > > When we have a lesbian president are we going to call her significant other > the second lady? > > What are we going to call the gay man president's lover? > 1. Bill Clinton 2. Bill Clinton 3. Jimmy already answered this one ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:46:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Lucky NEasters Heads Up Hi All Got a few emails from our friend John Kelly who is doing a "Paved Paradise: Redux" in Boston in a couple of weeks. I would love to see his show live. It was such an honor for me to share the stage with him in NYC last year. Hope you guys are all able to go. Take me in spirit. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:46:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Lucky NEasters Heads Up Hi All Got a few emails from our friend John Kelly who is doing a "Paved Paradise: Redux" in Boston in a couple of weeks. I would love to see his show live. It was such an honor for me to share the stage with him in NYC last year. Hope you guys are all able to go. Take me in spirit. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:51:42 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: online site for learning music theory Laura, thanks for this link. Love, Jean LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: http://www.musictheory.net/index.html ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:19:34 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: NJC. idul fitri (or Iedl Fitr) rian, again, I apologize for my lopsided grammatical errors and just plainly not paying attention and sending them off before proofreading and editing. "something that means very special," as I previously expressed myself, makes absolutely no sense in the context I was laying out to you. Rian, I re-wrote it. (look below) Another Religious lesson : A Case of You And to Rian, a few days ago, I recall reading on one of your posts, to a JMDL friend, I presume a fellow Muslim, a good day to celebrate a holy or significant day, a special time set aside in all cultures and faiths for the faithful to commune and commemerate harmoniously ritual celebrations set up at the same dates of the yearly calenders, and in y'all's case, every Hijra, (year) of the Islamic (Hijri) Calendar. Christmas, for true Christians (not these extreme, radical so called screw-ball, evil-doer Christians, like John Hagee and George Bush who think we should kill all Muslims who do not agree with them politically, in Bushs' case, or in the glutton, John Hagee's case, the Zionist Jews, and who's ripe and ready to attack Iran) cannot be compared to to Idul Fitri's signicance. What I can relate idul Fitri to, would be Easter, which comes after a period of fasting, called "Lent," (which most Americans do not even have an inkling about the benefits of fasting when it comes to meditation, contemplation, and prayer) Salam Alekum, rian! Jean rian wrote: Actually Idul Fitri (or Iedl Fitr) is not focusing on remembering something that means very special. It's a celebration after a month of fasting (Muslims don't eat, drink, commit sexual acts, etc from dusk till dawn) (in Indonesia, it's 4AM to 6PM), Muslims believe that in the end of the fasting month (Ramadhan), God will erase sins of those who fast, correctly. It's the biggest holiday here in Indonesia. Same as Xmas in your country. NP. Joni Mitchell For The Roses _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ - --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 02:04:59 +0800 (CST) From: rian afriadi Subject: Jericho vs Love or Money i wonder why "Jericho" was re-recorded while "Love or Money" wasn't. Any idea? I don't have DJRD (i can't find the CD in my country) I listen 2 Jericho (DJRD version) only when i'm online, via streaming audio. i try to compare Jericho from Miles of Aisles w/ from DJRD. And i think, Miles of Aisles version is better. NP. Jericho (Miles of Aisles) _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: The way I see it, Shine... I know there could never be another, Blue. My sister must have to know it, too, and that's why I said, "Pardon me," in a confused and upset sort of way. She was all complaints about everything Sunday night maybe because she was doing last minute lesson plans. She complained about the synth sound in Shine. She complained about the absence of love songs. She complained that Joni's not playing her guitar enough. Besides, she one of those that dwells on fear and the worst case scenarios in everything that could be, especially during these troubled times, she knows we are in. So, Shine is just a little too much for her and the girls and her handsome, but nerdy husband and I think they got paranoid with Shine's lyrics. My sister's a science teacher geek. Her daughters are really beautiful girls, physically, emotionally and spiritually. But she's passed that fear/nervous energy on to the girls. I see beauty around the corner, they see fear. They dig their heads in the sand. As a family, they're into baseball, big time and attend games here and out of town. As students they're into honor roll, volleyball, soccer, cheerleading, basketball, and you name it. Now, they're just starting to skate after all those cutey golden Reggies, chasing those dreamy white lace wedding gowns, especially now, that my youngest sister who's 30 years old, is getting her wedding organized and my nieces are those two special bridemaids and the youngest, the flower girl and all three are very enthusiatically involved in the planning stages. Their mother is frantic about those Golden Reggies, coming round the girls and she actually told me, "I'd rather have three lesbian daughters than have to go through this boyfriend shit, at least until their mid-30's, because I don't any boys disrupting their studies." But back to music, yes, Michael, they do have favorite musical singers, like Fergie, Beyonce, Rhiana, and Joni. But, Blue is their favorite album, I swear. My sister recently went with the girls to a Beyonce concert and she called me from there frustrated just to ask me, "Why in the hell doesn't Joni tour? I can't take this glitter shit." I couldn't stop laughing for about an hour that my face muscles got tired and my abs got sore. She's a sweet, true soul with a foul mouth which pisses off my mother. She just wants another Blue to take her and her family away to places concerning the pleasures and pain that come with the silky veils of ardor. I understand where she's coming from. Jeannie PS: My sister was on today's paper because two of her Catholic school students were among Discovery Channel's, 'America's Top Scientist' finalists (first time ever for any San Antonio students) and she's pissy that she may have to attend an all expense paid trip to Washington, DC. Don't get me wrong, she's so proud of her students, but she won't dare go without her daughters, so she's trying to get the mothers of the finalists to go, with thousands of instructions. Besides, she's too busy so many things and believes the parents should be the ones involved. Bye, now, Michael and all who read this! Have a good afternnon! Michael Flaherty wrote: jeannie wrote: >> Joni'll come up with something, sooner or later, for fair and tender maidens, maybe." Time will tell, Jeannie, but to be honest, I doubt it. Don't get me wrong, I think there's a lot on later Joni for young people to listen to, but the majority are going to want to find their own heroes from their own generation. Certainly, an album like Blue has themes that cut across the generations, but I'm not sure the lives of tender maidens (specically) are in Joni's thoughts these days. ;) Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. - --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:38:42 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: FW: question from website/Passion Play Oh this once again opens Pandora's box to interpret one of Joni's most enigmatic lyric. From: Scott Loveall [wookie99@verizon.net] Perhaps you know this or know of an article where it is discussed. In Passion Play (When All the Slaves are Free) Joni writes: Enter the multitudes In Exxon blue In radiation rose Apathy Now you tell me Who you gonna get to do the dirty work When all the slaves are free? Is it known what the colors reference and to whom the slave reference is inferred. I presumed the colors to be colors of the togas/tunics of the day. A friend thinks Oil and Nuclear weapons in the middle east as this was released around the first Iraq/Kuwait war. It has baffled me for some time and none of my more religious acquaintances can decipher it. Thanks, Scott For years I've posted that I've considered the colors to be nothing but Joni's shorthand to describe them succinctly. Exxon blue: a cool purplish blue and radiation rose: a searingly bright salmon. Either way, as colors they seem polar opposites. Perhaps an art student could confirm. Recently I've started to consider "Passion Play" a companion piece to "Come In From The Cold." In doing so, I've begun to read the "In radiation rose" as an active sentence structure. The word "rose" is thus a verb in the past tense, meaning 'did rise.' Since it repeats, it can be interpreted, "In (through) radiation rose ecstasy, misery apathy, and tragedy. This would certainly make the context appropriate for the life she references in 1957, the nuclear age. These incendiary references would also link to the "edifying fire" she echoes in "Come In From The Cold." Conversely, the background vocal from "Come In", "you were so kind, so kind" reflects back "never before was a man so kind, never so redeeming." Other verses in "Come In From The Cold" also reference slavery (professional indenture) and describe a personal salvation much as she describes Mary Magdalene's in "Passion Play." That's my two (maybe three, now) cents. CC _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Cafi. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:39:37 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: FW: question from website/Passion Play Oh this once again opens Pandora's box to interpret one of Joni's most enigmatic lyric. From: Scott Loveall [wookie99@verizon.net] Perhaps you know this or know of an article where it is discussed. In Passion Play (When All the Slaves are Free) Joni writes: Enter the multitudes In Exxon blue In radiation rose Apathy Now you tell me Who you gonna get to do the dirty work When all the slaves are free? Is it known what the colors reference and to whom the slave reference is inferred. I presumed the colors to be colors of the togas/tunics of the day. A friend thinks Oil and Nuclear weapons in the middle east as this was released around the first Iraq/Kuwait war. It has baffled me for some time and none of my more religious acquaintances can decipher it. Thanks, Scott For years I've posted that I've considered the colors to be nothing but Joni's shorthand to describe them succinctly. Exxon blue: a cool purplish blue and radiation rose: a searingly bright salmon. Either way, as colors they seem polar opposites. Perhaps an art student could confirm. Recently I've started to consider "Passion Play" a companion piece to "Come In From The Cold." In doing so, I've begun to read the "In radiation rose" as an active sentence structure. The word "rose" is thus a verb in the past tense, meaning 'did rise.' Since it repeats, it can be interpreted, "In (through) radiation rose ecstasy, misery apathy, and tragedy. This would certainly make the context appropriate for the life she references in 1957, the nuclear age. These incendiary references would also link to the "edifying fire" she echoes in "Come In From The Cold." Conversely, the background vocal from "Come In", "you were so kind, so kind" reflects back "never before was a man so kind, never so redeeming." Other verses in "Come In From The Cold" also reference slavery (professional indenture) and describe a personal salvation much as she describes Mary Magdalene's in "Passion Play." That's my two (maybe three, now) cents. CC _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Lucky NEasters Heads Up -- John Kelly 11/1/07 Here's the info: http://www.goldstarevents.com/events/boston-ma/paved-paradise-the-songs-of-joni-mitchell.html?id=15360;ref=sub551096;mar=news4656 - --Smurf - --- Michael Paz wrote: > Hi All > Got a few emails from our friend John Kelly who is > doing a "Paved > Paradise: Redux" in Boston in a couple of weeks. I > would love to see > his show live. It was such an honor for me to share > the stage with > him in NYC last year. Hope you guys are all able to > go. Take me in > spirit. > > Best > > Paz > > > Michael Paz > michael@thepazgroup.com > > Tour Manager > Preservation Hall Jazz Band > http://www.preservationhall.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:30:30 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Nash & Crosby on CNN NJC I just saw David and Graham on CNN. It makes me so happy and proud! They were singing peace songs at a cathedral! They look good. Crosby's lost weight and looks good and healthy. Graham looks good and younger than his age, as usual! They are backing Barack Obama and either C or N, would be backing Gore, if only he was running! I wish Gore would run!! Jeannie - --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:50:45 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Car On A Hill...(long) From: "Monika Bogdanowicz" <<< I've also got to say I enjoy the entire melody of the song and particularly the vocal melody of the passages I highlighted. >>> Back in April you asked which song intros of Joni's we all enjoyed and I commented on how much I love the little drum beat intro to Car on a Hill. This has long been one of my favorite songs by Joni. I love the fullness of the sound and the choral effects along with the rich sound of the cymbals throughout. It is definitely a rhythmically-driven piece and full of juicy licks. Joni's lyrics have always put me in awe of her modern-day poet talent, she has a way of turning a phrase that drives home the meaning in a way no other words could have conveyed her meaning quite so well. She is brilliant! I love the lyrics from "Down To You" following on the heels of "Car on a Hill" on the album: You go down to the pick up station Craving warmth and beauty You settle for less than fascination A few drinks later you're not so choosy When the closing lights strip off the shadows On this strange new flesh you've found Clutching the night to you like a fig leaf You hurry To the blackness And the blankets To lay down an impression And your loneliness IMO Joni was in the throes of her prolific, profound lyrics when she wrote these songs. That's why I'm finding it so hard to get into Shine. It's not that I don't like what she has to say, or the music, I'm trying to decide if she has said to herself "Fuck it! Look at the lyrics in today's hits, why should *I* bother" or she's realized that the majority of today's listeners don't have the depth to read the deeper meaning in her poetry, it's that short-attention-span-theatre mentality that gives me a headache when I watch films that flick through images so fast I can barely keep up. The word that keeps coming to mind to describe "Shine" for me is... Banal. Warmly, Cassy NP: Joni - The Wolf that lives in Lindsey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:15:51 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Clintons involved in lawsuit - NJC - Political Content This is a very interesting story to watch. The comments that came along with this video have been removed. Obviously, it didn't come from "friends of Hillary," so, there's certainly an axe to grind from their end. Any vitriol doesn't add to the substance of what's alleged. However, the allegations are certainly serious and appear, on the surface, to be reasonably credible. Nevertheless, how this all will play out is something that time will have to tell. Make of it what you will and process accordingly - an interesting allegation in any case. It's worth the 14 minutes it takes to watch. Clink on the link : http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7007109937779036019&hl=en ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:29:39 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Amelia I'll be darned. It's 7 verses! Each one ends with the words "false alarm" but two words can't constitute a chorus. Read the lyric silently as Joni sings it aloud: http://jonimitchell.com/musician/song.cfm?id=Amelia Jim L Joseph in Chapel Hill said in part, >A friend of mine once made a comment that he finds "Amelia" devoid of any musical peaks. That it does not have a recognizable chorus. If I am appropriating him correctly, I guess he means that it is not instinctively hummable (i.e. accessible?). > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:41:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Nash & Crosby on CNN NJC - --- jeannie wrote: > They are backing Barack Obama and either C or N, would be backing > Gore, if only he was running! good for them! a clue, an inkling, the possibility - that there might be some tendencies toward the good and just, in the universe, after all. Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Amelia well that album was the beginning of her denying us our musical lollipops. Even tho it offered an a delicious alternative. You know who TOTALLY went by formula?? Early Elton and Bernie...sheesh, 2 verses, bridge, verse, end. :) Em - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > I'll be darned. It's 7 verses! Each one ends with the words "false > alarm" > but two words can't constitute a chorus. Read the lyric silently as > Joni > sings it aloud: > http://jonimitchell.com/musician/song.cfm?id=Amelia > > Jim L > > Joseph in Chapel Hill said in part, > >A friend of mine once made a comment that he finds "Amelia" devoid > of any > musical peaks. That it does not have a recognizable chorus. If I am > appropriating him correctly, I guess he means that it is not > instinctively > hummable (i.e. accessible?). > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 21:02:41 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: NJC All that jazz... Huh. You could go to the library and borrow the PBS special by Ken Burns. I think it was called "Jazz" or "Ken Burn's Jazz" or some such. Anyway, you'll find what you like there and get an education at the same time. You said, >I tend to like the kind of jazz that really swings> "swing" has a particular meaning in jazz and that mean seems at odd with the next thing you said >--the kind with the bass upfront movin' and groovin'.> =========== FUSION =========== "The kind with the bass upfront" sounds like the electrified jazz of the 70s and onward called "fusion". If you are thinking of bass heavy stuff on "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" and "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter", you might like a band called Weather Report. You can hear samples of their "Birdland" on iTunes. Jaco's on that, big time. The Crusaders were like a rock-pop version of Weather Report. Listen to "Put It Where You Want It". Also in the rock-pop-jazz pocket were the first 3 albums by Blood Sweat & Tears, or the first five albums by Chicago. Seriously. =========== JAZZ WITH AN R&B FEEL =========== The other day, we were talking about "Mercy, Mercy, Mercy" written by the founder of Weather Report. You can hear that on iTunes. The lines in Jazz are often very blurry. Is Stevie Wonder Jazz with an R&B feel or R&B with a jazz feel? Is Steely Dan jazz with lyrics or R&B with lyrics, or jazz-influenced rock? Out here, beyond the perimeter, we is... Most of the guys on the Motown hits were moonlighting jazz players. =========== Hard Bop =========== This is the hard-core stuff. Like hard liquor, it will knock you back the first time you try it. Sample "Eventually" by Ornette Coleman on iTunes. Try "Giant Steps" by John Coltrane. Although Thelonius Monk played piano, I think he's in the bop category. He loved dissonance and sometimes he leaves me in the dust but he aims high. When he connects, it's amazing (to me). Try "Epistrophy" but I warned you. =========== Combos =========== After the 40s, demand for dance bands began to fade but the age of soloists in quartets and trios came on strong. I don't know what this era is called exactly, but the tradition was to play the theme from a familiar tune, then improvise around the chord changes. My favorite at this is Ramsey Lewis (try his take on "Hard Day's Night" for starters.) This ain't the way the Beatles played it but the joy of it is intact. To purists I suppose, Lewis might be a light-weight. He's the fleetwood mac of jazz. There were many people writing great stuff for small combos. "Blue Rondo ala Turk" and "Take Five" were both on Dave Brubeck's "Time Out" CD. I still think Keith Emerson quoted "Blue Rondo" in one of the tunes on a classic-rock ELP album. =========== Miles Davis =========== As far as I can tell, he was a chameleon like Joni. He collaborated with people in all of genres mentioned so far. There's a Miles for every day of the year. For starters, listen to "So What" or "Freddie Freeloader" from "KIND OF BLUE". In his video collection, Ken Burns keeps relating back to Louis Armstrong. Jim L. From: Monika Bogdanowicz >Could you recommend a jazz album or two to me to start off with? I've downloaded a song by Miles Davis/John Coltrane that I enjoy and I've been listening to the jazz channel on my cable. What would you recommend to a girl coming from a rock-n-roll/blues background? Keep in mind, of the jazz I have heard, I tend to like the kind of jazz that really swings--the kind with the bass upfront movin' and groovin'.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: NJC Read.....for your own privacy.... Please read. Very important! Advise all family members also about this. Google has implemented a new feature which enables you to type a telephone number into the search bar and hit enter and you will be given the person's name and address. If you then hit Map, you will get a map to the person's house. Everyone should be aware of this! It's a nationwide reverse telephone book. If a child gives out his/her phone number, someone can now look it up to find out where he/she lives. The safety issues are obvious, and alarming. Note that you can have your phone number removed or blocked. I tried my number and it came up along with the map and directions straight to our house. I did fill out the removal form for myself, and encourage all of you to do the same. Quite scary Please look up your own number. In order to test whether your phone number is mapped, go to: Google (http://www.google.com/) Type your phone number in the search bar (i.e. 555-555-1212) and hit enter. If you want to BLOCK Google from divulging your private information, simply click on your telephone number and then click on the Removal Form. Removal takes 48-hours. Check your own number and although this may not apply to you if you have an unlisted number or cell phone as primary contact, but you may know someone who needs to know this. ------------------------------------------------ I can't believe this actually works! I typed my number in and it's true! I even typed my friend's cell number (cell number!) and it worked! -Monika - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 19:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: Subject: NJC All that jazz... Thanks for all the recommendations. I have ordered a few items from the library and will uncharacteristically but patiently wait for their arrival. As for the "swinging jazz" with the bass upfront, I suppose I just meant I like some of the more upbeat jazz I hear. There's some jazz I have heard that is so mellow it just doesn't ever go anywhere for me. I'm not sure what "swing" means in jazz but I like something with a groove. It seems that groove is sometimes provided by a very distinguished and indentifiable bass line. I guess the bass *doesn't* have to be upfront but just as long as it is pretty important in the song. That's all! But thanks again! -Monika "We all come and go unknown..." Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: Huh. You could go to the library and borrow the PBS special by Ken Burns. I think it was called "Jazz" or "Ken Burn's Jazz" or some such. Anyway, you'll find what you like there and get an education at the same time. You said, >I tend to like the kind of jazz that really swings> "swing" has a particular meaning in jazz and that mean seems at odd with the next thing you said >--the kind with the bass upfront movin' and groovin'.> =========== FUSION =========== "The kind with the bass upfront" sounds like the electrified jazz of the 70s and onward called "fusion". If you are thinking of bass heavy stuff on "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" and "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter", you might like a band called Weather Report. You can hear samples of their "Birdland" on iTunes. Jaco's on that, big time. The Crusaders were like a rock-pop version of Weather Report. Listen to "Put It Where You Want It". Also in the rock-pop-jazz pocket were the first 3 albums by Blood Sweat & Tears, or the first five albums by Chicago. Seriously. =========== JAZZ WITH AN R&B FEEL =========== The other day, we were talking about "Mercy, Mercy, Mercy" written by the founder of Weather Report. You can hear that on iTunes. The lines in Jazz are often very blurry. Is Stevie Wonder Jazz with an R&B feel or R&B with a jazz feel? Is Steely Dan jazz with lyrics or R&B with lyrics, or jazz-influenced rock? Out here, beyond the perimeter, we is... Most of the guys on the Motown hits were moonlighting jazz players. =========== Hard Bop =========== This is the hard-core stuff. Like hard liquor, it will knock you back the first time you try it. Sample "Eventually" by Ornette Coleman on iTunes. Try "Giant Steps" by John Coltrane. Although Thelonius Monk played piano, I think he's in the bop category. He loved dissonance and sometimes he leaves me in the dust but he aims high. When he connects, it's amazing (to me). Try "Epistrophy" but I warned you. =========== Combos =========== After the 40s, demand for dance bands began to fade but the age of soloists in quartets and trios came on strong. I don't know what this era is called exactly, but the tradition was to play the theme from a familiar tune, then improvise around the chord changes. My favorite at this is Ramsey Lewis (try his take on "Hard Day's Night" for starters.) This ain't the way the Beatles played it but the joy of it is intact. To purists I suppose, Lewis might be a light-weight. He's the fleetwood mac of jazz. There were many people writing great stuff for small combos. "Blue Rondo ala Turk" and "Take Five" were both on Dave Brubeck's "Time Out" CD. I still think Keith Emerson quoted "Blue Rondo" in one of the tunes on a classic-rock ELP album. =========== Miles Davis =========== As far as I can tell, he was a chameleon like Joni. He collaborated with people in all of genres mentioned so far. There's a Miles for every day of the year. For starters, listen to "So What" or "Freddie Freeloader" from "KIND OF BLUE". In his video collection, Ken Burns keeps relating back to Louis Armstrong. Jim L. From: Monika Bogdanowicz >Could you recommend a jazz album or two to me to start off with? I've downloaded a song by Miles Davis/John Coltrane that I enjoy and I've been listening to the jazz channel on my cable. What would you recommend to a girl coming from a rock-n-roll/blues background? Keep in mind, of the jazz I have heard, I tend to like the kind of jazz that really swings--the kind with the bass upfront movin' and groovin'.> - --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 22:34:47 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: back to back to back! (njc) First time ever in and LCS series! Red Sox down 0-7 in the 6th go back to back to back to make it 3-7! Youkilis, Ortiz, and Ramirez!!! Go Sox! Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 16:01:25 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Another English lesson : A Case of You Hi Rian. Sorry if this question has already been answered but, I lost the use of my computer for several days and am just now catching up on digests. Like much of Joni's wordplays, it is difficult to understand what she is referring to. Even us native English speakers. It is her complex metaphors that keep many people intrigued. A Case of You has been discussed a lot here because it is one of her more complex. Joni is using a case of wine or some other alcoholic beverage as a metaphor for the person who is the subject of the song. If the person is a case of wine, she could drink it all and have no affect. The reason for this is the subject of discussions in the past. I am still not clear on what she is trying to convey. Does this mean that the person no longer has an affect on her? Has the love died? If you drink a case of wine and it has no affect on you, does that mean all potency has gone from it or does it mean that you have built an immunity to it and need something stronger? In the end, the need is the same, I suspect; you must move on. I think A Case of You is a song of farewell. It always struck me as a very sad song. Just one interpretation. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 23:49:22 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: The way I see it, Shine... Just a quick update on my sister's grappling with Shine. She called me tonight as she was driving home and she was crying. I heard the girls in the background comforting her with, "It's okay, mama! Don't cry! Mama, everything will be fine. Please, mama, don't cry" She was sobbing her heart out. Worried and shaken, the big sister in me came out and in a stern voice, asked her to quit crying and tell me what was wrong. She cried, "No, NJ, it's nothing bad. It's Shine. I popped it into the Cd player and something hit me as I was listening and all of a sudden, I starting crying out of the blue--I can't stop crying, NJ!" I told her, "Baby, cry all you want, but please stop the car and park somewhere if your tears are blurring your vision (she lost vision on her left eye when we were little, leaving it scarred and grey, and that's very difficult and worrisome for me.) She told me she had a box of tissues, she could see. I told her to trust me when it came to Joni, because neither I or Joni would ever lead her astray and made light by bringing up us growing up and doing all the silly things we did with Joni always playing somewhere in the background. Nothing has changed and that we still had each other and all the family. I sensed a smile by her change in speech and told her that Shine is my favorite Joni album of all times and just go home, relax and to trust what Joni shares with us. "I will," she said, Good Night." Jeannie . wrote: I know there could never be another, Blue. My sister must have to know it, too, and that's why I said, "Pardon me," in a confused and upset sort of way. - --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #417 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------