From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #415 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 15 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 415 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- NJC Crosby & Nash concert review for those interested.... [Patti Parlette] "if a song could be president", njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: The way I see it, Shine... [Monika Bogdanowicz ] Re: The way I see it, Shine... [jeannie ] Re:Comparisons ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 01:56:48 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: NJC Crosby & Nash concert review for those interested.... Kate wrote: Thanks for the concert review Monica & I'm thrilled to hear it was magical. They still have their angelic voices don't they? I agree with you about Graham- of all the people I've met in casual situations who are well known in the entertainment industry, Graham stands head & shoulders above most of the rest as such a kind & considerate gentleman. (Michael McDonald also). The loyalty & friendship Nash provided to Crosby during his darkest hours is legendary. And of course, so is his love affair with Joni. Years ago, at a local fundraiser, a bunch of high caliber musicians performed at a dance concert- mostly fun cover tunes. Crosby & Nash did a killer set of Everly Brother tunes. *** Yes, merci beaucoup Monica! I felt like I was there. Now I don't have to go to the Bushnell next Sunday night to see them. LOL...of course I'm still going! I'm really looking forward to it. I think I'm in row "G" for Graham. And of course I agree with you 100% Kate (encore une fois!) about Graham. He is the "heart of gold standard" in my book. The world needs more Grahams. I wish I could attend their Peace Concert in DC on Tuesday. Sherelle refused to put me up. (Only kidding!) In other upcoming concert personal news, I have tickets to see Neil on December 7th at the Oakdale Theater in Wallingford. The last time I saw Joni was at the Oakdale in May 2000, so this is hallowed ground. And I will get to meet Kenny B. for the first time! (Kenny, I think you are not getting my emails.) Is anyone else going? We'll all go looking for a party! The Crosby & Nash ticket is $47.50+, and the Neil ticket is $100+, for what it's worth. And tickets for Stevie Wonder go on sale tomorrow via Ticketmonster for Mohegan Sun (Indian land again). He wasn't scheduled to play there at first, so I'm excited about this. You said he was great, right Victor? I've never seen him before. I'm going to bring my best workplace friend who just had three breast cancer surgeries, and faces more. I want her to have some fun and shine like the sun. An ad in the aforementioned Hartford Courant today says: "When your head hurts from two hours of noise -- that's a rock concert. When your face hurts from two hours of smiling -- that's a Stevie Wonder concert." - --The Washington Post And one more music thing from the Arts Section of my paper today, especially for Kate. I'm SURE you know about this, but I'm mentioning it for everyone else: "Crosby Loggins and the Light, "We all Go Home" (J & R Adventures). The son of Kenny Loggins forms his own band." You and your son must be thrilled! I hope he does well. Okay, tout le Jonimonde, have a good work week. I'm off to watch Nora Holden Walker (Sally Field) attend to her fictional son's war injuries on "Brothers & Sisters". Surely this [award] belongs to all the mothers of the world. May they be seen, may their work be valued and raised. Especially to the mothers who stand with an open heart and wait. Wait for their children to come home from danger, from harms way, and from war. I am proud to be one of those women. If mothers ruled the world, there would be no. god-damned wars in the first place. Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail and Microsoft Office Outlook  together at last. Get it now. http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:10:54 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "if a song could be president", njc If a song could be president we'd hum on election day. The gospel choir would start to sway. We'd all have a part to play. The first lady would free her hips, pull a microphone to her lips, break our hearts with rhythm and blues. Steve Earle would anchor the news. If a song could be president we'd vote for a melody, pass it 'round on mp3. All our best foreign policy would be built on harmony. If a song could be president we'd fly a jukebox to the moon (of) all our founding father's forty-fives, Lightnin' Hopkins and Patsy Cline. If a song could be president. If a song could be president we could all add another verse. Life would teach us to rehearse till we found a key change. Break out of this minor key, half-truths and hypocrisy. We wouldn't need an underacheiver-in-chief if a song could be president. We'd make Neil Young a senator even though he's from Canada. Emmylou would be ambassador, world leaders would listen to her. They would show us where our country went wrong, strum their guitars on the White House lawn. John Prine would run the FBI. All the criminals would laugh and cry, if a song could be president. - ------------------------------------------------------- Words by Linford Detweiler "If A Song Could Be President" is on Over The Rhine's new album, "THE TRUMPET CHILD" and samples are on iTunes. They play the Handlebar in Greenville, SC on Fri, 2007-10-19. Karin is the most beautiful singer-songwriter on this planet. I didn't shoot this but I found living proof: http://tinyurl.com/yueluh Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:53:36 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: oh my "Eric Taylor" wrote, in part: And Hana! Oh my, she is even more precious than Amelia! Every song on Shine shines brilliantly. I relish every note and word the more I listen. I'm working on a review but that could take a very long time. Meanwhile I just need to say that you have saved my life yet again Joni. All of this increasingly horrible ugliness just makes me want to die but you have taken this bullshit by the horns and yet again turned it into something incredibly beautiful. Joni Mitchell, I can't begin to express how much your artistry has impacted my life and influenced my outlook, more than Jesus or the Beetles or all of the Beethovens and Van Gogh's combined. Thank you profoundly for being the soundtrack of my little life! Lighting the lamp, ET Exactement! Thank you, Eric. You found the words that I could not. Let your little light shine. Let all our little lights shine. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:00:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Monika Bogdanowicz Subject: Re: The way I see it, Shine... Ok, I understand what you're saying. I just commented on the content of the lyrics due to some of the reviews I read (both from critics and fans alike) that focused on the nature of those lyrics. Nobody on this list mentioned not liking Shine or parts of Shine because of the content lyrically but I noticed outside of the JMDL, that is one of the primary reasons why some are just dismissing the album entirely. I think a song can survive with poorly written lyrics (not that I think Shine has poor lyrics, I am only speaking generally here) but can not survive with bad music. Think of a lot of that early rock-n-roll. A good part of it wasn't even written about anything at all ("be bop a lula, she's my baby") but I still consider those good songs. There are many songs with poor lyrics out there that still are good songs... Now when a song has BOTH good music and good lyrics, then that is like the apple martini of all liquor (meaning the best! I do like my appletinis). Would you agree that a song could have poor lyrics and still be good but not have it the other way around (a song with great lyrics with bad music being a good song)? Anyway, my point is that the critics and fans who decide not to give Shine a chance becuase of the specific nature of the lyrics are consequently missing out on some wonderful, musical moments. Although, I do like the lyrics on Shine. Are they Joni's best? Well no, not as a whole (I'd say maybe Hejira or Blue have the best words as a whole) but there are plenty of good lyrics on the album in my opinion. They are quite different than Hejira or Blue or any of her other albums I would think. All of Joni's albums seem to be quite different from one another. I love that about her work. Every album is entirely its own album, complete with a different tone, style, etc, etc. This album, I think, is deliberately simple lyrically. Joni, I don't think, wanted to disguise anything or hide anything with metaphors that some people may not understand. I think she wanted to put it all out there on a clean plate with no utensils needed (meaning no need to dig into the words for the most part!). I think the message on the album is what she wanted to highlight. I'm only speculating as I've never sat down and asked her what her intentions were! Someday Joni...someday...we shall have a long chat about life and love and everything in between....haha. -Monika "We all come and go unknown.." Deb Messling wrote: My problem with the Shine lyrics are not that I don't agree with them (far from it!!), it's that I don't think they are as well crafted as some of her other lyrics. Although the more I listen, the more I realize that some of the lyrics are more complex than they appear at first blush. At 10:32 AM 10/14/2007, you wrote: > > My point is that a song can still be a good song despite what > you relate to the lyrics. Does that make sense? My second point > is how funny it is that as soon as anything political/about society > enters the picture, it is dismissed by those who don't agree with it. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 22:28:03 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: The way I see it, Shine... My sister called me this evening, also having a problem, not with the lyrics, but with the instrumentation in, 'Shine.' She went on to ask me why Joni didn't do something again like, 'Blue.' "Pardon me," I asked, "You were expecting another, 'Blue' album?" She replied, "Let me reword that. No, I'm not asking for a Blue repeat. What I want the girls to feel with Joni's music(she has three daughters, ages 16, 14, and 12--the same age my sisters and I were when we were getting into Blue) is what we felt back then, during the blue period. You know, love stories, first lessons on how to survive love's first stings and pains. An album for girls, like Blue was for us. The girls are still not that familiar with the jazzy sounds. I want them to hear Joni's way of strumming her guitar, alone, with no other music. That's what I want." "I get what you're saying. For now, just keep listening to Shine. Joni'll come up with something, sooner or later, for fair and tender maidens, maybe." We said our good-byes and wished each other a good night and she ended off, telling me she was going to listen to Shine tonight, all to herself, alone, finally. Good for her. jeannie Deb Messling wrote: My problem with the Shine lyrics are not that I don't agree with them (far from it!!), it's that I don't think they are as well crafted as some of her other lyrics. Although the more I listen, the more I realize that some of the lyrics are more complex than they appear at first blush. At 10:32 AM 10/14/2007, you wrote: > > My point is that a song can still be a good song despite what > you relate to the lyrics. Does that make sense? My second point > is how funny it is that as soon as anything political/about society > enters the picture, it is dismissed by those who don't agree with it. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 02:52:28 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re:Comparisons Bobsart wrote in part: >> In my youth I loved the Beatles, and still do, really. I'd just invariably prefer to listen to Joni - her art is that superior << I couldn't agree more! Meet The Beetles was my first album and I still adore all of their music. I also love the Moody Blues, Dan Fogelberg, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Paul Simon, Steely Dan, Pink Floyd and U2 but I don't listen to them NEARLY as much as I listen to Joni. I could never get bored with Joni's music because I continue hearing new subtle beauty almost every time I listen. Most people think I'm nuts when I say I think Joni Mitchell is the greatest composer since Beethoven but I increasingly suspect that history will slowly come around to this conclusion when her total brilliance finally sinks in. 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