From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #403 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 4 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 403 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Shine debuts in Billboard top 15! [Bryan ] A Black Mansiere [Deb Messling ] WIRED interview - Herbie Hancock talks Joni [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Shiny Love Songs NJC [ajfashion@att.net] Re: A Black Mansiere [ajfashion@att.net] Albuquerque web-radio broadcast ["Barbara Stewart" ] NJC Heading out of town [Bob Muller ] SJC love songs [missblux@googlemail.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:22:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Shine debuts in Billboard top 15! Shine sold 40,000 copies at Billbaord's #14 (per Entertainment Weekly). I've seen other reports that place Shine at #13. Joni's highest charting debut since Hejira! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:46:13 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: A Black Mansiere Thanks, Richard Flynn, for sending us your rendition of That Song About the Midway. What a precious artifact, and it's lovely, wavering vocals and all. But for some reason, after all these years, I heard the lyrics as "I stood out like a ruby on a black mansiere." Seinfeld fans will recognize the reference; a mansiere is a brassiere for a man. So, Joni was alluding to Shakespeare; I hear Seinfeld and collapse into giggles. I'm truly sorry. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 21:52:34 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: WIRED interview - Herbie Hancock talks Joni Go to: http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/10/herbie-hancock-.html Extended Interview with Herbie Hancock with Joni content Also on the site: Stream two tracks from the album : "Court and Spark" (featuring Norah Jones) "Both Sides Now" Laura " Wired News: This latest album is comprised of Joni Mitchell songs and her influences. Are there any tales from the studio you can tell us about? HH: Joni, she's a poet. And her songs really emanate fresh from the words, you know -- that's the core place that she comes from. I knew I'd have to have the lyrics be the driving force for my record too. So we spent a lot of time discussing the words to Joni's songs. We even went so far as to -- and this was my idea -- give the lyrics of the songs to all the musicians and sit with them in the engineering booth before we'd record something, to discuss the lyrics and the environment that the lyrics were talking about. In a lot of cases, of her words are descriptive of a particular place where some activity was taking place, and even certain characters. We'd discuss that, and get almost a visual idea of what the lyrics were about. If anything, it was more like the way you'd approach doing a soundtrack, kind of a cinematic approach. WN: So you'd come up with some kind of vision and then the music came right out of that -- that's a cool technique. HH: Well that's the way I've been doing all my records for the past ten years now. This is something I learned in this latter part of my life that I really felt was not only appropriate, but a more substantial place to come from. And you think about the direction, think about vision for the record. And because of that, it's allowed me the opportunity to have every record be a new experience for me, and not just be a reaction to something I did before, or something someone else did before. So even though we were doing the music of Joni Mitchell, we purposefully set out not to do it the way she did it. Because she's not the one recording it this time, it's me................................................................." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:27:52 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Shiny Love Songs NJC - -------------- Original message from Bob.Muller@Fluor.com: -------------- > By the same token - Aleda mentioned buying Neil Young's "Let's Impeach The > President" single, but I would submit that if it had been recorded by an > unknown or lesser-known, she would not have done so. This is indeed true. In fact, had it not be done by one of my very favorite singer/songwriters, I wouldn't have bought it unheard. (And I actually don't think it's that great a song, although I like it. I think the Dixie Chicks "Not Ready to Make Nice" is a superior song with a similar message. It's hard to write a political song that also work COMPLETELY as a song. I think Marvin Gaye, with "What's Going On" and "Mercy Mercy Me," did it as well as anyone ever has.) - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:31:05 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: A Black Mansiere - -------------- Original message from Deb Messling : -------------- > Thanks, Richard Flynn, for sending us your rendition of That Song > About the Midway. What a precious artifact, and it's lovely, > wavering vocals and all. But for some reason, after all these years, > I heard the lyrics as "I stood out like a ruby on a black > mansiere." Seinfeld fans will recognize the reference; a mansiere is > a brassiere for a man. So, Joni was alluding to Shakespeare; I hear > Seinfeld and collapse into giggles. I'm truly sorry. The Seinfield reference cracked me up. You probably know this but the Shakespeare line is actually something " a ruby in an Ethiope's ear," and Romeo says it to describe Juliet's beauty at the Capulet banquet where they meet. I was so captivated when I first heard the JM song and that line. (I didn't look the Shakespeare line up, so I'm not sure it's exact, but pretty close. Another reason I admire JM's lyrics is because of the allusions--more depths to reach as one listens and learns.) Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:36:06 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Albuquerque web-radio broadcast Did ANYONE hear this fabulous 2 hour broadcast at 3:30 this afternoon? (Wed) It was the finest career retrospective on Joni I've ever heard. Inspiring and revelatory. Some interview clips from Joni very early in her performance career, wonderful musical interstitials. Better yet, did anyone capture it on recording? Or know how to buy it from Public Radio International? I would love to listen to it again. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:53:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Joni in Vanity Fair Has anyone posted this? Joni (smoking in bed, with Coco), Judy, Joan and many others are featured in the November Vanity Fair, in a "folk music portfolio" feature by Annie Leibovitz. A video about the making of the feature is here: http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/video/2007/folkportfolio_video200711 Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 02:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: NJC Heading out of town I'll be away from my computer til about Sunday. Talk to y'all when I get back. Bob NP: Bruce S, "Goin' Down" - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:22:12 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: SJC love songs Hey, here are my five oere contribution to the love song discussion... I fell in love with Hejira for reasons I wasn't sure about for many years, I think I just thought it was somehow extremely cool and sophisticated in a sensitive and erotic way. It took me years to realize that the album in many ways deals with love, the pain and the divine side of it. No doubt, I love it because, as a wise jmdler said to me, it vibrates in a way that I do too. Like when you tune the guitar: you play an A on the E-string, and the A-chord vibrates. Joni is the clearly sounding A, my heart is the A-string :-) So, it's not because an album is about love that you get curious. If I bought records simply because I'd heard they were about love I'd have to buy 80% (?) of all music that is published. What happens is that you hear something and you think - huh, what's that...I wanna hear it again? And it turns out to be a love song, and you buy it. (Uhm, given that 80% of all pop songs are love songs, maybe I'm wrong, maybe you hear something you like and in 80% of the cases it'll be a love song...?). Nothing sad about listening to love songs. Love is the greatest beauty and if we could all understand it and behold it (sorry about the dramatic archaism) we might fight, exploit and devastate less. It's about finding out what's inside you and the more you understand that the more you'll understand the rest of the world. People write so many love songs I think because love is the greatest mystery that they need to solve, in order to move on. It's interesting that hatred doesn't inspire that many songs. Weird in fact?! Amen...... Bene - -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > sales as most people would sooner listen to topics of love than to the > dire state of the orb.> > > That doesn't make much sense to me. I've NEVER bought an album based on > what topic a songwriter was singing about and I doubt that people do > that...pick up a CD, try and figure out the subject matter, and then > decide whether or not to buy it. If any of you do engage in that kind of > behavior I'd like to hear it. Doesn't make sense to me either...and what I also disagree with is this statement suggests that there's something sad about wanting to listen to love songs. Music is all about love. It's not the job of music to solve the problems of the world. Love songs are everywhere. The opera arias I'm learning (Addio, fiorito asil & Una furtiva lagrime) are love songs...I keep learning more and more jazz standards- they're love songs. There's nothing wrong with wanting to listen to love songs. Sure, the world is in dire straits but that's not a determining factor in the music I listen to or buy, nor does the music I listen to or buy have anything to do with my feelings or concerns about the state of the world . At the end of the day, you still have to laugh or smile and/or find something to be happy about. Victor ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #403 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------