From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #399 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 2 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 399 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: If, and all the 'adaptations' in a woodshed NJC [ajfashion@att.net] Favorite Shine music... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: telling singers to sing Joni [ajfashion@att.net] Re: radiohead fans NJC now artists we don't like [Catherine McKay ] Re: If, and all the 'adaptations' in a woodshed NJC [jeannie ] RE: radiohead fans NJC now artists we don't like ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: radiohead fans NJC now artists we don't like [Motitan@aol.com] NPR Sep 28 story link - fotos & text ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: telling singers to sing Joni - cassandra wilson content [ajfashion@at] Shine Review in Sydney Morning Herald [Melissa Gibbs ] RE: Joni Covers, Volume 93 - A Help Me Sandwich [JILL A HAAS : -------------- > Catherine, > > I'm not attacking Aleda. I'm talking to her in a way she can understand where > I'm coming from, Catherine. Are you the lister pal she wrote me about just a > while ago? > > I don't appreciate negative insinuations about me thrown out there in a > cowardly fashion and I have a right to speak what I feel, Catherine. > > How do you see me "attack" Aleda? With Anthony De Mello's one minute wisdoms? > > Look, from my vantage point here, it's a similar pattern I'm seeing with > certain individuals who come on when I start expressing myself. I know these > patterns are consistent because I'm watching from my side with an eagle's eye. > And they always do the same thing. These s imilar patterns happen at no other > time. > > They e-mail me privately like Aleda has a few times since yesterday and tell > me whatever and they block my e-mails from being sent to their address and how > can I respond to what they asking or telling me? > I'm not going to go out and spill the beans in front of everybody. The > rejected e-mail demon messages which are returned to me are weird. I've never > seen such mailer deamons--they come with private messages in them. > > There more transparency coming in with computer technology, which may be a > very good thing. > > I'm glad Aleda has someone to be there for her since I was sincerely worried > she could be feeling alone and I didn't want that, especially since I couldn't > express it to her. Thanks, from me. But, I must do what I have to do and I'm not > on the attack..I'm just watching my back, baby, with a puppy and kitten in tow. > > And I'm making dinner while my mother's just in from work telling me I need to > go to the post office first thing in the morning and I must bid farewell just > for now. So, forgive any errors. I promise to try to edit my e-mail messages > before sending them out but sometimes, I just have to let them go, mistakes and > all, I'm sorry! > > Shine's going into my kitchen cd player right now! > > Ciao, Catherine! > > Jean > > > > Catherine McKay wrote: > --- jeannie wrote: > > > Madame Superior Aleda: > > > > What's would be so wrong with sharing wisdom in a > > woodshed? > > > > I had no idea enlightenment that comes from > > sharing sophisticated musical knowledge with your > > intellectual colleagues depended on the physical > > architechtural design of the building y'all would be > > hanging out in. > > > > Jeannie, I haven't been paying a whole lot of > attention to this particular thread, and I usually > just let the people involved work these things out > among them, so maybe I should just stay out of it, but > I am completely at a loss to understand why you are > attacking Aleda in this way. Is it because she thinks > that poems such as Yeats' "The Second Coming" should > be left intact? That's her opinion, to which she is > entitled, and a few other people on this list have > said they share that opinion. A few others have said > that they like what Joni did with it in "Slouching..." > Also their opinion, and they are equally entitled to > it. > > Is it because Aleda said she read books by Ayn Rand > when she was 13? Is that so very unusual? I was > re ading Victorian novels and "adult" books at that age > as well, (no Ayn Rand though - never had any interest) > and I'm sure lots of people would say the same. I was > also reading Nancy Drew and comic books and cereal > packages as well. > > Maybe I'm misunderstanding what is meant, on your > part, to be some kind of joke, a joke that I just > don't get, but it all comes across to me as an attack > on Aleda - an attack that she doesn't, in my opinion, > (N.B. opinion), deserve. > > > > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, > photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:09:25 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Favorite Shine music... Well since we've gone over favorite lyrics/groovy stand out lines from Shine, I thought we could discuss the music a bit for all the music people. Are there any musical passages that you particularly like? Is there any music in any song that you really like? - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:21:08 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: telling singers to sing Joni [Is there an abbreviation for Little Joni Content? LJC? Cause I'm undecided under which category the following post falls!] Wilson's speaking voice is similar to her singing voice, though not. If that makes any sense. The reason she called is because it turned out she had been at this rather large party held in my honor in Oxford MS and no one, not even my husband who knows I adore her, bothered to mention that to me or introduce us. So a mutual friend arranged for her to call me. There's a riff on one of her songs, one Wilson wrote herself, that I know is from some 1970s song, possibly Mitchell. It's haunted me since I got the CD trying to figure out what song it's from. (I mentioned this to Cassandra and she laughed and said she probably stole a lot of stuff from Joni. Of course, in poetry, we call stealing "allusion.") When I get more time, I'll listen and figure out which song and maybe someone on the list can help me figure it out. Although I'm so musically illiterate, I won't be able to say which bar or whatever it occurs in, probably have to say something incredibly inaccurate like a third of the way through the song. I have a couple of Dawn Upshaw CDs (where she sings Sondheim), but does she have a CD with a Mitchell song on it? I'd love to know and get it. (Sorry we missed each other in the P.I., Joseph. I agree with your sentiments vis a vis the American bases there.) - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:23:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: radiohead fans NJC now artists we don't like - --- Bob Muller wrote: > lets > people download from her website and choose what, if > anything, they will pay.> > > I've heard her stuff. She'd have to pay ME. > To each his own. I like her stuff and so do a bunch of other people on this list. I guess she's not as popular as Radiohead (as if!) and I haven't heard any of her stuff as "Issa", but I liked her as Jane Siberry. In for a penny, in for a pound. Just to stir up the pot a bit, here's a list of people I never really cared much for that everyone (OK, not everyone, but you know what I mean - sometimes it sure seems like it) seems to love: - - CSN (I tried, but I just couldn't do it) - - James Taylor (I like some of his stuff, but generally find him too mellow boring for my taste. I think I own a greatest hits CD but that's about it) - - Prince (like some of his songs, but can't stand looking at him, so I can't listen to him without seeing his leering face) There are probably more, but that might be enough to invoke a flame war if we weren't all so darn mature around here, don't you think? ;-) Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:36:27 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Just got Shine (and going to see Neil) Wow... I can't believe the amount of buzz going on this site. I haven't even been able to keep up with it all but I finally got over to Borders & picked up Shine on "Educators Week" sale (slightly less than the 25% off sale the album was on.) My first impressions are... it's better than I was expecting but not as good as I'd hoped. (I know... you can't paint another Starry Night and you can't compose another Court & Spark.) I really like the arrangements/instrumentals; I think the music carries the heavy-message-laden lyrics. My favorite cuts so far: "One Week Last Summer" and "If I Had A Heart." Least favorite: "Shine" (too long & monotonous). But, I've only listened to it all the way through once and some cuts twice, so my impressions might change. On a different note: I've gotten a ticket to see Neil Young at Wallingford on Dec. 7th. If anyone else is going & wants to hook up for a drink or chat before or after the show, email me off-list. Kenny B ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: If, and all the 'adaptations' in a woodshed NJC - --- jeannie wrote: > Catherine, > > I'm not attacking Aleda. I'm talking to her in a > way she can understand where I'm coming from, > Catherine. Are you the lister pal she wrote me about > just a while ago? Um. No. > I don't appreciate negative insinuations about me > thrown out there in a cowardly fashion and I have a > right to speak what I feel, Catherine. From my end, I don't see any insinuations. It looks like people have been pretty up-front, inasmuch as that's possible in a words-only/no-facial-expression medium such as e-mail. > How do you see me "attack" Aleda? With Anthony De > Mello's one minute wisdoms? When someone calls another person "Mother Superior", it sounds pretty snarky to me. I have no idea who Anthony De Mello is, but I think I had someone by that name in my class in school years ago. > I'm not going to go out and spill the beans in > front of everybody. The rejected e-mail demon > messages which are returned to me are weird. I've > never seen such mailer deamons--they come with > private messages in them. Some of the mailer daemon rejection messages use wording like "such-and-such e-mail address doesn't like you" and, "Sorry, I tried" and "sorry it didn't work out." That's not the person you e-mailed saying that. It's the wording used in the mailer daemon message and it does sound weird, but it's not personal to you - we all get those from time to time. It usually just means that something in the syntax of the e-mail address you used is wonky (even if you "reply" sometimes the syntax is messed up) or possibly that the other party's mailbox is full and the message couldn't be delivered. The other party doesn't see your message, although, if it's a message you sent to them AND to the list, they would see your message on the list and would therefore still be able to reply. If someone blocks your e-mail address, you would not get a message back. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 02:41:38 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: radiohead fans NJC now artists we don't like - -------------- Original message from Catherine McKay anima_rising@yahoo.ca: > In for a penny, in for a pound. Just to stir up the > pot a bit, here's a list of people I never really > cared much for that everyone (OK, not everyone, but > you know what I mean - sometimes it sure seems like > it) seems to love: > - CSN (I tried, but I just couldn't do it) How about CSNY? I love CSNY, but not so much CSN. But then I love Neil Young. Amazing to me that he's another one who keeps making great music for decades. > - James Taylor (I like some of his stuff, but > generally find him too mellow boring for my taste. I > think I own a greatest hits CD but that's about it) Ah finally. I have never liked James Taylor. Not in high school when he put out Sweet Baby James, certainly not during the Mockingbird Carly Simon era, and not now. Don't hate me for being a heretic to my own generation. Anyone remember when he was on the cover of Time magazine? > - Prince (like some of his songs, but can't stand > looking at him, so I can't listen to him without > seeing his leering face) Ok, here we part ways. Love Prince. Or love his hits. I mean, few things get me going like 1999 or Little Red Corvette or Raspberry Beret. I've even acquired a new appreciation for When Doves Cry. A kind friend of mine sent me the John Mayer CD. I tried to listen to it, because I like my friend so much, but I find it unlistenable. I don't know if the music's bad, or if I'm making a judgement because he dated Jessica Simpson. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:54:12 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Quick Mingus review..... In all the Shine excitement, I held off on my review of Mingus. I actually purchased the album a week or so before getting Shine. I must say the last couple of weeks have been very exciting Joni weeks. All Joni, all the time (well no, not really!). Anyway, first off I don't have anything much to say on the Mingus "raps." I understand their purpose on the album as a tribute to Charles Mingus but you won't find me listening to them every time I grab the album. That being said, for some strange reason I really like the "Happy Birthday 1975" rap (it sounds like everyone is having so much fun!) and the "I's A Muggin'" rap. I actually wish that one went on a little longer as I really dig Joni's singing with Mingus there. Overall, I have to say God bless Joni for making an album like this. She sure is brave and true to her heart to go for what she desires at whatever time despite any conflicts or anybody. I really, really admire that about her. She may say quite a few things in different interviews but she always follows her heart regardless. I have to say I was a little nervous before hearing the album. I am not all that familiar with jazz (though I can dig some of what I have heard and I do want to go to a jazz club). I've always been sort of a rock and roll girl and have read that this was Joni's jazziest album. In addition, this isn't all Joni which I was a little worried about. Every other album it was just and all Joni (well mainly) unlike this album in which she collaborates with Charles Mingus. I was also a little nervous but EXCITED to hear the album because of all the controversy it had stirred in its time. Ah, good ol' controversy. If I had to grade the album, I would give it a B (an 83-84%). Musically, it is very sophisticated. Lyrically, it is a departure from previous material. It isn't my favorite Joni album so far but it isn't my least favorite either (LOTC still holds that spot for some reason though I do like the album). It's quite a tribute to Charles Mingus. If I were in his family, I would be very honored to have had Joni record this album in honor of him. Track by track review: 2. God Must Be A Boogie Man- Afer the first listen, this was the song that was in my head. The lyric, "God must be a boogie man" repeated over and over and over in my head. This is probably one of my favorite tracks from the album. It has a very cool, sophisticated sound. 4. A Chair In The Sky- I also enjoy this song. I like the really mellow sound to it and consider this a favorite of mine as well. 5. The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey- First off, I love that crisp, cutting guitar sound. It really does remind me of a wolf. It bites (not bites as in "sucks"). It growls. I just love the guitar. I can take or leave the actual howling in the song but I understand its purpose. I'm tempted to play this aloud for my dog to hear and to see his reaction. 7. Sweet Sucker Dance- I don't like this track. It does absolutely nothing for me. It seems to drag, start from nowhere, and go nowhere. 9. The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines- Talk about a change from the rest of the album! The album had been very, very mellow and "cool" until this point. This is a refreshing change with its bouncy music and beat. I consider this a favorite of mine as well. I must say I love the part Joni sings, "lucky, lucky" and it repeats a few times. That is my probably my favorite part on the entire album. 11. Goodbye Pork Pie Hat- I'm still trying to absorb this song fully. As a tribute, it works perfectly. As a song, I still am working on it. Get back to me. - -Monika, who lied about giving a quick Mingus review...although this was much shorter than previous reviews... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:00:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: radiohead fans NJC now artists we don't like - --- ajfashion@att.net wrote: > > > - Prince (like some of his songs, but can't stand > > looking at him, so I can't listen to him without > > seeing his leering face) > > Ok, here we part ways. Love Prince. Or love his > hits. > I mean, few things get me going like 1999 or Little > Red > Corvette or Raspberry Beret. I've even acquired a > new > appreciation for When Doves Cry. I love 1999 and I like the other songs you've mentioned, but never got into him beyond greatest hits. It's probably unfair of me to say I don't like him if I haven't listened to that much, but I never felt moved to go any further - couldn't get past the smarmy look on his face, I guess. > A kind friend of mine sent me the John Mayer CD. > I tried to listen to it, because I like my friend so > much, > but I find it unlistenable. I don't know if the > music's > bad, or if I'm making a judgement because he dated > Jessica Simpson. > My daughter loves John Mayer. I don't mind him but would I cross the street to catch his show? Maybe, if someone else was paying. In fact, that's a lie, because I did go with my kids to see him a couple of years ago. I may not have been the oldest person there, but I was pretty close to it. He's very popular with girls in their 20s, who know all the words to all his songs and insist upon singing along. The Jessica Simpson thing took away whatever credibility he had built up before. It's kind of hard to overlook. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:04:05 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: failure notice Aleda, here you go. My e-mail address is blocked. That's all will say for now. I'm through with your negative ways. Please leave me completely alone privately, okay? If you have something to say to me or about me, tell me directly, through the JMDL. Understood, Aleda? Norma Jean PS: To all others, I apologize for this ugliness. - --- MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to > the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it > didn't work out. > > : > 12.102.252.75 does not like recipient. > Remote host said: 551 not our customer > Giving up on 12.102.252.75. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: If, and all the 'adaptations' in a woodshed NJC Catherine, I already said I was through with Aleda issues. You're not on my end. I'm on my end. For now, forget about all this e-mail nonsense and stay focused on your end. I'll stay focused on mine. Jean - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- jeannie wrote: > > > Catherine, > > > > I'm not attacking Aleda. I'm talking to her in a > > way she can understand where I'm coming from, > > Catherine. Are you the lister pal she wrote me > about > > just a while ago? > > Um. No. > > > I don't appreciate negative insinuations about > me > > thrown out there in a cowardly fashion and I have > a > > right to speak what I feel, Catherine. > > From my end, I don't see any insinuations. It looks > like people have been pretty up-front, inasmuch as > that's possible in a words-only/no-facial-expression > medium such as e-mail. > > > How do you see me "attack" Aleda? With Anthony > De > > Mello's one minute wisdoms? > > When someone calls another person "Mother Superior", > it sounds pretty snarky to me. I have no idea who > Anthony De Mello is, but I think I had someone by > that > name in my class in school years ago. > > > I'm not going to go out and spill the beans in > > front of everybody. The rejected e-mail demon > > messages which are returned to me are weird. I've > > never seen such mailer deamons--they come with > > private messages in them. > > Some of the mailer daemon rejection messages use > wording like "such-and-such e-mail address doesn't > like you" and, "Sorry, I tried" and "sorry it didn't > work out." That's not the person you e-mailed > saying > that. It's the wording used in the mailer daemon > message and it does sound weird, but it's not > personal > to you - we all get those from time to time. It > usually just means that something in the syntax of > the > e-mail address you used is wonky (even if you > "reply" > sometimes the syntax is messed up) or possibly that > the other party's mailbox is full and the message > couldn't be delivered. The other party doesn't see > your message, although, if it's a message you sent > to > them AND to the list, they would see your message on > the list and would therefore still be able to reply. > If someone blocks your e-mail address, you would not > get a message back. > > > Catherine > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard > is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new > Yahoo! Mail at > http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 03:19:14 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Quick Mingus review..... Monika, I don't own this CD (thought I have several cuts on other CDs) so I appreciate this review. After Hejira I went through a kind of Joni-less period, which ended when Hits and Misses came out. So I'm catching up. This kind of post is helpful to those of us whose knowledge of Mitchell has some holes. Aleda - -------------- Original message from Motitan@aol.com: -------------- > In all the Shine excitement, I held off on my review of Mingus. I actually > purchased the album a week or so before getting Shine. I must say the last > couple of weeks have been very exciting Joni weeks. All Joni, all the time > (well no, not really!). > Anyway, first off I don't have anything much to say on the Mingus > "raps." I understand their purpose on the album as a tribute to Charles Mingus > but > you won't find me listening to them every time I grab the album. That being > said, for some strange reason I really like the "Happy Birthday 1975" rap > (it sounds like everyone is having so much fun!) and the "I's A Muggin'" rap. > I actually wish that one went on a little longer as I really dig Joni's > singing with Mingus there. > Overall, I have to say God bless Joni for making an album like this. > She sure is brave and true to her heart to go for what she desires at whatever > time despite any conflicts or anybody. I really, really admire that about > her. She may say quite a few things in different interviews but she always > follows her heart regardless. > I have to say I was a little nervous before hearing the album. I am not > all that familiar with jazz (though I can dig some of what I have heard and > I do want to go to a jazz club). I've always been sort of a rock and roll > girl and have read that this was Joni's jazziest album. In addition, this > isn't all Joni which I was a little worried about. Every other album it was > just > and all Joni (well mainly) unlike this album in which she collaborates with > Charles Mingus. I was also a little nervous but EXCITED to hear the album > because of all the controversy it had stirred in its time. Ah, good ol' > controversy. > If I had to grade the album, I would give it a B (an 83-84%). > Musically, it is very sophisticated. Lyrically, it is a departure from > previous > material. It isn't my favorite Joni album so far but it isn't my least > favorite > either (LOTC still holds that spot for some reason though I do like the > album). It's quite a tribute to Charles Mingus. If I were in his family, I > would > be very honored to have had Joni record this album in honor of him. > > Track by track review: > 2. God Must Be A Boogie Man- Afer the first listen, this was the song that > was in my head. The lyric, "God must be a boogie man" repeated over and over > and over in my head. This is probably one of my favorite tracks from the > album. It has a very cool, sophisticated sound. > 4. A Chair In The Sky- I also enjoy this song. I like the really mellow > sound to it and consider this a favorite of mine as well. > 5. The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey- First off, I love that crisp, cutting > guitar sound. It really does remind me of a wolf. It bites (not bites as in > "sucks"). It growls. I just love the guitar. I can take or leave the actual > howling in the song but I understand its purpose. I'm tempted to play this > aloud for my dog to hear and to see his reaction. > 7. Sweet Sucker Dance- I don't like this track. It does absolutely nothing > for me. It seems to drag, start from nowhere, and go nowhere. > 9. The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines- Talk about a change from the rest of the > album! The album had been very, very mellow and "cool" until this point. > This is a refreshing change with its bouncy music and beat. I consider this a > favorite of mine as well. I must say I love the part Joni sings, "lucky, > lucky" and it repeats a few times. That is my probably my favorite part on the > entire album. > 11. Goodbye Pork Pie Hat- I'm still trying to absorb this song fully. As a > tribute, it works perfectly. As a song, I still am working on it. Get back > to me. > > -Monika, who lied about giving a quick Mingus review...although this was > much shorter than previous reviews... > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:23:06 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: failure notice You have typed the wrong e-mail address, that's why the message bounced. No need to be paranoid about it. Proper email address: ajfashion@att.net It seems you forgot the aj part. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of jeannie Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:04 PM To: Joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: failure notice Aleda, here you go. My e-mail address is blocked. That's all will say for now. I'm through with your negative ways. Please leave me completely alone privately, okay? If you have something to say to me or about me, tell me directly, through the JMDL. Understood, Aleda? Norma Jean PS: To all others, I apologize for this ugliness. - --- MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to > the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it > didn't work out. > > : > 12.102.252.75 does not like recipient. > Remote host said: 551 not our customer > Giving up on 12.102.252.75. ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:28:49 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: radiohead fans NJC now artists we don't like I worship Neil Young, love Prince, like James Taylor. Don't care about John Mayer. I absolutely adore Lucinda Williams--have seen her 12 times (once opening for Neil Young on the Greendale tour). - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of ajfashion@att.net Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:42 PM To: Catherine McKay; Bob Muller; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Mags Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: radiohead fans NJC now artists we don't like - -------------- Original message from Catherine McKay anima_rising@yahoo.ca: > In for a penny, in for a pound. Just to stir up the > pot a bit, here's a list of people I never really > cared much for that everyone (OK, not everyone, but > you know what I mean - sometimes it sure seems like > it) seems to love: > - CSN (I tried, but I just couldn't do it) How about CSNY? I love CSNY, but not so much CSN. But then I love Neil Young. Amazing to me that he's another one who keeps making great music for decades. > - James Taylor (I like some of his stuff, but > generally find him too mellow boring for my taste. I > think I own a greatest hits CD but that's about it) Ah finally. I have never liked James Taylor. Not in high school when he put out Sweet Baby James, certainly not during the Mockingbird Carly Simon era, and not now. Don't hate me for being a heretic to my own generation. Anyone remember when he was on the cover of Time magazine? > - Prince (like some of his songs, but can't stand > looking at him, so I can't listen to him without > seeing his leering face) Ok, here we part ways. Love Prince. Or love his hits. I mean, few things get me going like 1999 or Little Red Corvette or Raspberry Beret. I've even acquired a new appreciation for When Doves Cry. A kind friend of mine sent me the John Mayer CD. I tried to listen to it, because I like my friend so much, but I find it unlistenable. I don't know if the music's bad, or if I'm making a judgement because he dated Jessica Simpson. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:36:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: failure notice/Richard Richard, I'm not paranoid. Where do you get I was typing in the wrong address? On the only private reply I ever sent Aleda, after one of her off-list e-mails to me, I just clicked "Send" and it came back, like this. I never typed in her address. I don't know it. This is not paranoia, it's just the way it is! Jean - --- MAILER-DAEMON@yahoo.com wrote: > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to > the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it > didn't work out. > > : > Connected to 204.127.208.75 but sender was rejected. > Remote host said: 550-69.147.96.242 blocked by > ldap:ou=rblmx,dc=worldnet,dc=att,dc=net > 550 Blocked for abuse. See > http://www.att.net/general-info/rblinquiry.html > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > Return-Path: > Received: (qmail 49785 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Sep > 2007 22:13:26 -0000 > DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; > s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; > > h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; > > b=LncYcdnP52tX6/8mgv1vDxRK63U9/SJn1n6f4kTE58gZKNb40S8MGr9rAwDHlfrPLMMgruh8udvqzG7H3mlXv4jy8fMcMQWtYFlHwxC3/E6qjz8rbxkHeNqECGEQvvx57J+9SRw2XsZ2pHyvLJhZT+utZ9QMaCQxtv8kv/lhlc8=; > X-YMail-OSG: > dsC01tsVM1lR6LPXWC03wouPd2kTRVwJlES8KBGxI9_Ye3yl111wlamBDDV8QJbx4f9iaxdjl9X.26pE.eQ8O0Q78bf2Z622235RbWJpovasxfUuUwHSvA-- > Received: from [24.174.180.95] by > web63015.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Sep > 2007 15:13:26 PDT > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:13:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: jeannie > Subject: Re: OFFLIST Re: If, and all the > 'adaptations' NJC > To: ajfashion@att.net > In-Reply-To: > <093020072150.11149.47001A0A000C8FE600002B8D2160280651020107089C0E00060E@att.net> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="0-433773978-1191190406=:46507" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Message-ID: > <136038.46507.qm@web63015.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > > --0-433773978-1191190406=:46507 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > What does your mispelling of Hayden Herrera's last > name have to do with her stealing one of your > friend's boyfriends away? > > That's some sort of deflective device of yours, it > seems to me. > > You, as a human, do not disturb me, other than > your better than thou preachiness and persistence to > prove you are right without giving room to move > around. Too much rigidity for me! > > Let's just call it a day. I'm tired of this > nonsense. It's not fun to discuss with you these > issues concerning the lyrics and poetry and all that > other petty stuff that means absolutely nothing to > me. > > Enough annoyance for a week. > > I've got to go now! I am gonna go find Herbie > Hancock's album. Hopefully I can find a copy at > Target because it got late. Besides, there's still > so much for me to do before I can free myself into > my music and books. > > I heard an awesome, private recording of Herbie > and Carlos jamming together. It was incredible. > That's what I'd love to hear right now! > > Okay, bye, Aleda!! > > Jeannie > > Please let's just try to understand one another. > > > > > > > > ajfashion@att.net wrote: ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 23:55:02 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: radiohead fans NJC now artists we don't like I love CSN/Y and Neil Young. I don't like Prince though I do think he's one hell of a musician. I'm not too into James Taylor (other than You Can Close Your Eyes but mainly thanks to Joni who sang the song with him at a concert they did together) but I have nothing against him. His music could come on the radio but I wouldn't be screaming, "turn that off!" Nor would I be screaming, "turn that up." - -Mon ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:58:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NPR Sep 28 story link - fotos & text Gorgeous photos! http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14766057 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 00:10:05 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: telling singers to sing Joni - cassandra wilson content aleda- i'll be really interested when you let us know which cassandra song you're referring to. i have three of her studio albums (as well as a concert boot) and i really love her. if i own the song you're thinking of, i want to figure out which riff you're talking about. let me play this game too!! plus, i saw cassandra in concert in central park this summer and it immediately jumped near the top of my list of all-time best concert experiences. she was truly amazing, a great artist. i haven't been that joyful over a concert in a long time. i've heard dawn upshaw sing a joni song live (i can't even remember which song, i'm embarrassed to say) and i thought she'd recorded it at some point, but a brief google and amazon search met with no success. i did kick this up from the jmdl archives: Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:46:11 -0700 Subject: Dawn Upshaw and Joni From: "jan glas" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:59:09 +0100 Dawn Upshaw was a guest in a musicprogram on Dutch television last sunday. She made a point about how inportant the music of Joni Mitchell has been and still is in her life. Plays her music at home, especially in the kitchen and takes her music always with her on her many travels, so she said. She called joni Mitchell 'a great composer'. Dont we like to hear this kind of talk! Then the lp 'the hissing of summer lawns' was taken out of the cover and put on the turntable, and and we could see Dawn beaming all over the place while listening to a bit of the theme song. I never related Joni with the word 'composer', but Upshaw said it and i cant get it away from Joni anymore. Jan Glas NP: Harry's House/centerpiece i thought that would make you happy... patrick np - peter gabriel, mercy street aj wrote >There's a riff on one of her songs, one Wilson wrote herself, that I know is from some 1970s song, possibly Mitchell. It's haunted me since I got the CD trying to figure out what song it's from. (I mentioned this to Cassandra and she laughed and said she probably stole a lot of stuff from Joni. Of course, in poetry, we call stealing "allusion.") When I get more time, I'll listen and figure out which song and maybe someone on the list can help me figure it out. Although I'm so musically illiterate, I won't be able to say which bar or whatever it occurs in, probably have to say something incredibly inaccurate like a third of the way through the song. I have a couple of Dawn Upshaw CDs (where she sings Sondheim), but does she have a CD with a Mitchell song on it? I'd love to know and get it. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 21:13:58 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine This isn't a comment on the record as I don't have it yet. Just a thought on one part of what you wrote. I imagine, that where Joni lives, it does appear as if there are too many people & not enough land. I don't think its meant as a scientific comment. I don't think Joni is a factual songwriter, she is an impressionistic one. >And lyrics like "There's just too many people now/tool little land" are simply embarrassing -- human beings might be engaged in gross abuse, mismanagement and poor distribution of resources and destruction of the environment, but is there solid scientific evidence that there are actually too many people on Earth?!!< ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 04:34:55 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: RE: telling singers to sing Joni - cassandra wilson content Patrick, Just got down all my CWilson CDs. The song's on New Moon Daughter, and I'm 90 per cent sure the riff is in "A Little Warm Death," but I'll listen tomorrow and make certain, and also try to give you some sense of when it occurs in the song. This has seriously been driving me crazy since the first time I listened to the song, and it'd be nice to have all these brilliant music people on here figure it out. Cassandra Wilson is from Jackson. Amazing how this poor bealeagured (sp?) has produced so many extraordinary people. When I spoke to her I told her how much her song, "Memphis," meant to me and it was surprising at how moved she seemed and how interested she was in why I liked it. I guess even people we regard as Very Famous don't get as much imput on their work as we imagine. Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 07:58:32 +1000 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Shine Review in Sydney Morning Herald Hi all Here is a link to a review of Shine that appeared in Saturday's Sydney Morning Herald: http://www.smh.com.au/news/cd-reviews/shine/2007/10/01/1191090984940.html Text follows: Five years ago Joni Mitchell declared that she was giving up on making music, refusing to have anything to do with the louses she saw running the industry. Extreme? Special pleading? Cogent and spot on? Whatever your take, it was hard to argue that Mitchell hadn't earned the right to slip away quietly and just paint. More than 20 albums in 35 years, only two maybe I wouldn't happily put on right now, and another six or seven I could never live without. She had nothing more to prove. Then an approach to contribute more music to a ballet set to her songs triggered her muse after a 10-year hiatus. A growing frustration, if not outrage, at the destruction of the planet also fired her soul. "We're busy wasting our time on this fairy tale war, when nobody's fighting for God's creation," she told Rolling Stone. "I haven't written in 10 years, and what's coming out of me is all sociological and theological complaint," she said elsewhere. Not surprisingly then, Shine is an angry album, her most consistently direct attack on greed, ignorance and political and religious bastardry since 1985's Dog Eat Dog. "You cannot be trusted/Do you even know you're lying/You take with such entitlement/You give bad attitude/You have no grace/No empathy," she sings in Bad Dreams. In Strong and Wrong she mocks the egos of powerful men and asks, "Is that what God is for?/Just a rabbit's foot?/Just a lucky paw/For shock and awe?" Images of the intersection of nature and man abound, from the empty nets of fishermen in the title track to the bear rummaging in her garbage bin in This Place , from the sky on fire in If I Had a Heart to the paved-over trees in a re-imagining of her now venerable eco-conscious Big Yellow Taxi. Yet, if anger is the energy in this machine, the music itself runs with such grace and elegance it can take several passes before you hear and see past the beauty, past the warmth, to the sharp tacks of the lyrics. At first, piano leads the album, the mood established from the part French romanticism, part '50s West Coast jazz of the instrumental opener, One Week Last Summer. Some of that mood reappears soon after in If I Had a Heart, this time with lap steel guitar draped over the piano like a summer shawl over bare shoulders. And there is a smoke-drifting-to-the-ceiling ambience around the piano and its synth counterpoint in Bad Dreams. However, Mitchell is not to be so easily confined. Night of the Iguana, with electric guitar pushing itself forward over a loose-limbed bass, is reminiscent of the grooves she explored in the '80s. Hana draws from jazz, without shouting that out, Shine is a step on from the shimmering shapes of 1998's Taming The Tiger and this arrangement of Big Yellow Taxi feels more New Orleans than Laurel Canyon. Mitchell's voice has recovered some of the register thought lost for good by the late '90s and at all times it's a marvellously caressing sound, so rich in detail that the smallest shift, the most subtle adjustment in intonation speaks volumes. It's a very satisfying album. Melissa in sunny Sydney NP: ABC News ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:22:30 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: NJC New Chanel Commercial Has anyone seen the new Coco Chanel Mademoiselle commercial? The one with the lady getting ready to go out in a red dress? The music in the background is "L is for the way you look at me" (not sure if that's the right name of the song) and it sounds a whole lot like Sonya Kitchell singing. It's not bad for a commercial. Want to see it too? It can be viewed from the following link: http://uma.chanel.com/home.php Warmly, Cassy NP: Death Cab For Cutie - Prove My Hypothesis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 22:40:05 -0700 From: JILL A HAAS Subject: RE: Joni Covers, Volume 93 - A Help Me Sandwich Thanks once again, Bob and all you other folks who helped put "Covers 93" on our earwaves. Jill o' Seattle "Bob Muller" wrote--With the falling of autumn leaves, covers continue to drop as well. Another 19 this month, as always from all corners of the globe and spanning the decades (though the vast majority of it is new stuff). Volume 92 was the most downloaded of the series so far, and I think 93 follows hot on its footsteps. And with this one goes a big tip of my Hillbilly Hatfield Hat to the people who contributed to this volume: Joseph, Adrian, Halie, & Guy-Michael. Thanks all - I'm touched by your generosity and interest and encouragement. So here's where you can find the music: http://download.yousendit.com/9F0B6F8D394DCCF5 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #399 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------