From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #389 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 28 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 389 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shine on stereo (now radio) [merk54@aol.com] what is Shine [Mags ] RE: moon now Smurf....NJC ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? [djp ] Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Shine [kenevans@umich.edu] Shine review in SF Bay Area Reporter today ["Richard Goldman" ] Re: [kenevans@umich.edu] JONI PROJECT - Please Read and consider participating ["Cassy" ] RE: NJC Patti's rant [Patti Parlette ] Re: JONI PROJECT - Please Read and consider participating [ajfashion@att.] What sticks with you? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni in my newspaper tonight; Melissa Etheridge, too [Patti Parlette ] RE: Shine Q/pedal steel ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: njc, Elvis and Bob [Bob Muller ] 2008 Rock and Roll HOF Nominees - NJC ["Cassy" ] Re: Shine ["Mark Scott" ] Re: 2008 Rock and Roll HOF Nominees - NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: 2008 Rock and Roll HOF Nominees - NJC [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Shine Q/pedal steel [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Shine Q/pedal steel [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni instrumentals get me angry!!! [Victor Johnson I'm wondering what song people think would make a good choice for radio. I > would love to call the local radio station and ask to play a song, but I'm > wondering which one would be a smart choice. Any recommendations? > > Hi Jack, We don't have a good stereo here so I envy you! Maybe I should invest in one just to hear Shine. As for what song to recommend for radio... Night of the Iguana. Then after people turn their heads and want more, If and This Place. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:16:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: what is Shine what is Shine, asked the Rabbit one day, when they were lying side by side near the nursery fender, before Nana came to tidy the room. Does it mean having things that buzz inside you and a stick out handle? Shine isn''t how you are made, said the Skin Horse. It's a thing that happens to you. When you are moved to the core by the music of Joni Mitchell for a long, long time; when you really love her, that is when you Shine. Does it hurt? asked the Rabbit. Sometimes, said the Skin Horse, for he was always truthful. When you Shine, you dont mind being hurt. Does it happen all at once, he asked, or bit by bit? It doesnt happen all at once, said the Skin Horse. You Shine. It takes a long time. That's why it doesnt often happen to people who break easily or have sharp edges, or who have to be carefully kept. Generally by the time you Shine, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out, and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things dont matter at all, because once you Shine, you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand. with thanks to Margery Williams for the inspiration. Mags np: Shine - --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:17:06 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: RE: moon now Smurf....NJC Quoting Em : > add mine to that... > radar love to Smurf.... > Em > > --- "Ross, Les" wrote: > >> "Bob, channeling Smurf and thinking about him too this AM" >> >> Amen to that mr muller. >> >> Les > Mine as well. Richard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:25:39 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine on stereo (now radio) In a message dated 9/27/07 12:14:57 PM, Merk54 writes: > No need to buy a new stereo. Just take Shine to some high end stereo > place, and tell them you want to audition a system using this CD. Then sit back > and enjoy! > > Warning, they might get suspicious after repeated listenings. :) > > LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL good one Jack! I might just do this! Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:35:10 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? I happen to really the new BYT.? I think it's a great version and fits in nicely with the rest of the material.? However, I agree that I might be tempted to skip it eventually simply because it is so over exposed.? It's unfortunate, because I think it is very good version of the song. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: Motitan@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:47 am Subject: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? So with BYT 2007 version out, would you say you like it? I would say overall this will be a track I am going to skip not because of this actual version. In fact, I actually like this one better than the original studio one from 1970. I'll skip it because I don't really like the song BYT in general. I won't lie though. I do like the MOA version of it (and can handle it live) but generally speaking, ever since I heard BYT I have not liked it. Joni's done far better than this song and sometimes I wish everyone could get past BYT and look more into her work and find the magic there. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:43:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Shine on stereo (now radio) Shine may well be, technically, Joni's best recording. It goes far beyond the norm, much like her old pal's Hourglass did a few years back. Unfortunately, contemporary groups record in the studio and are listening back on MP3's to see what it will sound like on an Ipod, which is a disaster of compression. Jerry > In a message dated 9/27/07 12:14:57 PM, Merk54 writes: > > >> No need to buy a new stereo. Just take Shine to some high end stereo >> place, and tell them you want to audition a system using this CD. Then sit > back >> and enjoy! >> >> Warning, they might get suspicious after repeated listenings. :) >> >> > LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL > > good one Jack! I might just do this! > > Love, > Laura > > > ************************************** > See what's new at > http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:50:17 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? I love it, especially the accordion and oboe colorings in it. Speaking of BYT, I posted BYT Cover #200 this week - and no, I'm not counting Joni's re-recording as a Joni cover. And not that anyone cares in all the hubbub over Shine, but we are right around the corner from Volume 93, so stay tuned. Bob NP: XTC, "Bungalow" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:06:21 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? I'm with Bob. Love BYT 2007. Jerry > I love it, especially the accordion and oboe colorings in it. > > Speaking of BYT, I posted BYT Cover #200 this week - and no, I'm not > counting Joni's re-recording as a Joni cover. And not that anyone cares in > all the hubbub over Shine, but we are right around the corner from Volume > 93, so stay tuned. > > Bob > > NP: XTC, "Bungalow" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:22:03 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni and Bob Whoa! I thought this immediately when I heard it!! I just assume it's my aural landscape playing tricks on me again. Thanks for confirming that thought for me. Cool. sue >Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:41:38 -0400 >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >Subject: Re: Joni and Bob > >Place" and Dylan's "Spirit on the Water"> > >Good catch, Kerry - I had not picked up on that until I saw your post and >started singing Dylan's tune in my head. Oh, and by the way...GREAT >subject line. > >I doubt however that she was influenced by that - the first time I heard >'This Place' I immediately thought of a cross between "Crazy Cries of >Love" and the '98 tour version of NRH with Greg Liesz' pedal steel also >playing a prominent role. > >Bob > >NP: Joni, "Overture - Cotton Avenue" Sue McNamara http://www.jmdl.com/guitar "It's all a dream she has awake ..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:53:25 -0400 From: djp Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? I like it a lot, too. I'm hoping it will become my guide toward appreciating the rest of the album. djp Jerry Notaro wrote: > I'm with Bob. Love BYT 2007. > > Jerry > > >> I love it, especially the accordion and oboe colorings in it. >> >> Speaking of BYT, I posted BYT Cover #200 this week - and no, I'm not >> counting Joni's re-recording as a Joni cover. And not that anyone cares in >> all the hubbub over Shine, but we are right around the corner from Volume >> 93, so stay tuned. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: XTC, "Bungalow" >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are >> hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, >> distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon >> this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please >> contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. >> >> Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual >> sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:02:49 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? Neither Yay nor Nay, just snore city to me. Quoting Bob.Muller@Fluor.com: > I love it, especially the accordion and oboe colorings in it. > > Speaking of BYT, I posted BYT Cover #200 this week - and no, I'm not > counting Joni's re-recording as a Joni cover. And not that anyone cares in > all the hubbub over Shine, but we are right around the corner from Volume > 93, so stay tuned. > > Bob > > NP: XTC, "Bungalow" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:21:29 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Big Yellow Taxi 2007, yay or nay? One reviewer called the re-recording of this song "pointless". And although I wouldn't go that far, I do find it odd that she didn't update the song completely. She changed "a dollar and a half" to "an arm and a leg", so why not change the "DDT" line as well? DDT is just as obsolete as the $1.50 is. Seems odd to me. Les (not London) - -----Original Message----- Neither Yay nor Nay, just snore city to me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:57:56 -0400 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: Shine Hi bob, hi victor.... I would add to Bob's excellent observation that a lot of times I'm reminded of NRH.... especially the denser tracks like hana and iguana... Has she ever played this much piano since C&S? I was disappointed that Wayne's not on the record... and then just laughed every time the soprano sax would imitate him..... Victor, I see what you mean about the dreamy landscapes... I may have to listen to Simon's Surprise again, since I don't see the resemblance... that was actually Simon's first album I could barely listen to. (You know it dawned on me recently, for someone of his stature, being one of our greatest songwriters, he's only released 15 albums of new songs over 43 years?) Oh, and someone posted an observation about the first line of This Place compared to Spirit on the Water by His Bobness.... I actually posted something similar monday night, but it was subtle and I was wondering if anyone would pick up on it..... hmmmm.... > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:40:40 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: Shine > > instrumental cut.> > > Cool, I'm glad I'm not the only one. It's actually very cool, she has > assimilated some of her piano and arrangement similarities from C&S, some > lyricism (Night Of The Iguana) from HOSL, some DJRD'ish world music > influences on the revamped BYT and Hana and NOTI, her smooth Migus-era > jazz vocals, the "Sex Kills" guitar lick on "If"...it's almost like a > culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same time being a starkly > original piece of work. And it sure as heck ain't folk music. > > Bob > > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:01 -0400 > From: Victor Johnson > Subject: Re: Shine > > On Sep 26, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > >> ..it's almost like a >> culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same time being a >> starkly >> original piece of work. And it sure as heck ain't folk music. >> > > > I love the overall sound production and instrumentation she uses, > especially the steel guitar and some of the electric. Very nice > arrangements. Reminds me a little of the recent Paul Simon project > he did with Brian Eno, and also a little of David Sylvian...very > dreamy, lots of depth, using a variety of timbres, creating a musical > landscape. > > Victor > > NP: nothing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:49:32 -0700 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: Shine review in SF Bay Area Reporter today Jonie returns Shines brings new songs http://ebar.com/arts/art_article.php?sec=music&article=397 by Gregg Shapiro Print this Page Send to a Friend The luminous new album by Joni Mitchell, *Shine* (Hear Music), has arrived to delight and dazzle fans, old and new. *Shine* is Mitchell's first studio album of mostly new material ("Big Yellow Taxi" makes a reappearance) since *Taming the Tiger,* the discs released almost nine years apart to the day. Time has not dulled her razor-sharp insight, and the inclusion of "Big Yellow Taxi (2007)" is the musical equivalent of "I told you so." They did pave paradise and put up a parking lot, after all. At once nostalgic and forward-thinking, *Shine* features an endless array of the elements that we have come to love and expect from the goddess Joni. Her piano and guitar work, among other instrumentation, are simply flawless. The opening track, the instrumental "One Week Last Summer," sounds like it would have fit in on any of her albums from *For the Roses* forward. The alto sax on a few tracks may not belong to Wayne Shorter, but Bob Sheppard does a brilliant job of providing the brass. Pedal steel legend Greg Leisz, who also played on * Tiger,* returns, along with Mitchell's longtime drummer, jazz star Brian Blade. Old friend James Taylor is even on board. Resplendent in its rage, *Shine* also sheds new light on reoccurring themes in Mitchell's work and world. She has been singing about crows for many years, and they appear in two songs here, "This Place" and "Strong and Wrong." As unavoidable and annoying as crows, cell phones also get called out, on both "Bad Dreams" and the title track. As she previously did with a William Butler Yeats poem, Mitchell looks to Yeats' contemporary Rudyard Kipling for inspiration, setting his timely "If" to music. The "if" word plays a major role in the poignant political diatribe "If I Had a Heart," whose chorus "If I had a heart,/I'd cry," is a Mitchell-style comment on our times. She has been incorporating electronic instrumentation into her songs for years, and makes particularly good use of it on "Hana." The combined word-play and infectious rhythm of "Night of the Iguana" make it irresistible. Simply put, *Shine* is radiant. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:46:17 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Re: Shine Bob wrote: After reading your post, Laura - I was thinking of folk music and I thought of the song (which I would think would be considered as folk music) "If I Had A Hammer", with its chorus of "I'd sing out danger, I'd sing out a warning, I'd sing out the love between my brother & my sister..." and it ocurred to me that that is what she's doing with this album Exactement! M, J Hammer. Last week I was studying the lyrics and noticed that she uses a lot of exclamation points in the new album. I made a list on the back of an envelope, but it's at home now....I think there are eighteen. Joni's not usually one to use exclamation points, is she? (No time now to search.) I just quickly counted thirteen question marks. And quite a few "..." So are her new lyrics poetry now? She seems more vehement in this album. Like "they didn't get it the first time, so I'm going to really hammer these messages home." I'm in awe of the whole thing. And of her. Love, Patti P. P.S. FWIW, I noticed that heron is spelled "herron" on the CD insert, but it is correct in our jmdl lyrics page. And "heals" is "heals" in both places. _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wl mailtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:35:33 -0400 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: Interesting...... now I have to listen to some Dan and figure out where that is..... I actually thought it reminded me of joe jackson.... anyone with better music theory able to tell us what's going on in the progression there? > Okay, and now onto the ones I'm not so keen on - Bad Dreams and If I > Had a Heart. BD's lyrics I think are really not great, and although > IIHAH has some good moments (the Steely Dan-esque twist of the melody > at the point where JM sings "our lovely sky on fire"), ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:14:20 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: JONI PROJECT - Please Read and consider participating I am working on a JMDL-related artistic endeavor (it's a surprise) and need photos of JMDL members who are willing to participate. If YOU are one of those list-members who aren't shy and wouldn't mind sending me a photo of your naked bum (no I won't reveal whose bums are whose... EVER) please email it to me using the subject line - JONI PROJECT. The higher resolution the better. Bums need not be HTWP, I am looking for a wide variety of shapes and sizes and did I mention this would be highly confidential? I assure you this is not a pornographic endeavor, it's something that's been rattling round in my head and needs a tasteful outlet I hope to have this project completed by late October so please don't hesitate if you want to take part. love Cassy NP: 10,000 Maniacs - Trouble Me ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:55:17 +0100 From: "Mick Kelly" Subject: Shine reviewed on BBC Radio 4 Friday 19.15 Hi, In case you don't already know: Front Row is the nightly Arts prog. Shine gets its slot tomorrow :o) You will find it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/frontrow/ Best wishes, Mick Friends against HIV in Northern Thailand www.rejoicethailand.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:31:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel - --- Em wrote: > --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Oh and another question: what is the > > corny-countryesque-atmospheric-sounding instrument > on This Place? > > Pedal steel (and is that a kind of guitar)? > > "a little bit corny", eh? > lol, I love pedal steel, anyway here's a good > explanation: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_steel_guitar > I've never understood why they call it a guitar. Doesn't play like one, doesn't sound like one. Not my favourite instrument by any means. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:06:28 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: RE: NJC Patti's rant Ha! Patti you got me there! for a second I thought you had gone into a fantasy and started writing a story with me in it! That'd be fun...! *your* Bene You "were" in it, and so were the rest of you! ("And you were there, and YOU...." -- Dorothy back in her bed in Kansas) It gets so lonely, when you're walking into a Starbucks for Joni Day, and the seats are full of strangers.....no one to share the joy with except for a few friends who pop in for a few minutes. I still have to find time to tell you about the three hours of Joni that was so beautiful and intense. A fantasy, you say. Uh oh, here comes a song! Title: Fantasy Artist: Earth, Wind & Fire Every man has a place In his heart there's a space And the world can't erase his fantasies Take a ride in the sky On our ship fantasise All your dreams will come true right away And we will live together Until the twelfth of never Our voices will ring forever as one Every thought is a dream Rushing by in a stream Bringing life to your kingdom of doing Take a ride in the sky On our ship fantasise All your dreams will come true miles away Our voices will ring together Until the twelfth of never We all will love together as one Come to see victory In a land called fantasy Loving life a new degree Bring your mind to everlasting liberty As one Come to see victory In a land called fantasy Loving life for you and me To behold to your soul is ecstasy You will find other kind That has been in search of you Many lives have brought you to Recognise it's your life now in review As you stay for the play Fantasy has in store for you A glowing light will see you through It's your day shining day All your dreams come true As you glide in your stride With the wind as you fly away Give a smile from your lips and say Are you free yes I'm free And I'm on my way **** "A glowing light will see you through It's your day shining day All your dreams come true" "Recognize it's your life in review".....that's EXACTLY what is was hearing her for 3 hours nonstop. Thank you Joni, for all the gifts you have shared with us over the last 40 or so years. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:39:59 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: JONI PROJECT - Please Read and consider participating - -------------- Original message from "Cassy" : -------------- > I am working on a JMDL-related artistic endeavor (it's a surprise) and need > photos of JMDL members who are willing to participate. > > If YOU are one of those list-members who aren't shy and wouldn't mind sending > me a photo of your naked bum I might have considered this if I could be photographed on a Pacific Beach in 1973 (lol), but no way now how in 2007! Good luck with your project, it sounds interesting. My B & N order with Shine and the Hancock hasn't come yet (damn them) but a friend in town burned me copies to settle me down. Love the Hancock (love that kind of album, one of my favorite CDs is a jazz tribute to Sondheim), still processing Shine. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:39:38 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: What sticks with you? >Give us all the courage and the grace >to make genius of this tragedy unfolding, >the genius to save this place. The Bard of Saskatoon strikes again. There are many dire images in the lyrics, so when she sends up her prayer, it hits the solar plexus. She brings faith to this 'wretched unbeliever' (2). Jim L'Hommedieu (1) "This Place", JM (2) "Gaia", JT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:04:36 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Joni in my newspaper tonight; Melissa Etheridge, too Finally my local newspaper (the Hartford Courant) has a little review on Shine. Shine by Joni Mitchell Hear Music Joni Mitchell has since the 1960s ranked among songwriting's most significant and remarkable voices, traversing folk, rock and jazz. But her disdain for the music industry led Mitchell to announce in 2002 that she would no longer record albums. She has lately reconsidered that decision, making a distribution deal with Starbucks/Hear Music. She returns in typically thoughtful fashion with her first collection of new songs since 1998. "Shine" is built with mellow minimalism around the social themes that have long been a mainstay of her work. Some of these songs were developed for a recently debuted ballet based on the 63-year-old Canadian's work, among them the frank, dark "If I Had a Heart," which laments the Earth's abuse at the hands of those who care less about its fate than she. Mitchell's voice is lean and husky, as it has been for many years, but it's a pretty instrument for rendering a delicate contemplation of ecological issues amid the pedal steel guitar of "This Place." Sparse arrangements enhance the material's mood and texture, which range from the chipper instrumental splashes that color a revision of her iconic "Big Yellow Taxi" to the supple pulse that lends a meandering flow to the hopeful, grounded meditation of the title track. Mitchell's clear-eyed poetry is simple but effective alongside trickles of piano and mild saxophone on the haunting "Bad Dreams," a persistent unapologetic vehicle for the social advocacy that is the centerpiece of her singular artistry's welcome return. - - THOMAS KINTNER "Her singular artistry's welcome return." Amen. And here's a snippet about: MELISSA ETHERIDGE The Awakening Island "Naturally, Etheridge takes on a certain unpopular president. "Imagine That" is her angry song, and it almost too plainly tells the story of Cindy Sheehan's now-famous fight for an answer to her son's death in Iraq." Yeah! The rest is here: http://www.courant.com/features/lifestyle/style/hc-albums0927.artsep27,0,7284020.story Melissa is supposed to be on Letterman tonight. Love, Patti P. NPOMTV: Season Premiere of Ugly Betty _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:25:03 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, Elvis and Bob You thought "Joni and Bob" was a great subject line, so here's another good one for you, Herr Muller! And I'm wondering if you would break your no-stadium rule for this one. Dylan, Elvis: birds of a feather By KENNETH PARTRIDGE | Special to the Courant September 27, 2007 They were born 13 years and several thousand miles apart, one a self mythologizing Midwestern troubadour, the other a wordy Brit once dubbed rock's "angry young man," but Bob Dylan and Elvis Costello aren't all that different. This Sunday, the two songwriting giants will perform at Bridgeport's Arena at Harbor Yard, one of a handful of stops on their brief fall tour. It may seem like an odd pairing, but Costello and Dylan are shape-shifting jacks of all genres. Over the years, both have dabbled in rock, country, reggae, jazz, and old-time song-and-dance fare, outlasting peers less willing or able to evolve. If you crack their lyric books, the similarities are even more apparent. The rest is here: http://www.courant.com/entertainment/music/hc-sound0927.artsep27,0,6528642.story Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:33:26 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Shine Q/pedal steel It IS one of my favorite instruments. I play Dobro and lap steel. When I retire I'll learn me the pedal steel. And Greg Leisz is one of the best. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:32 PM To: Em; missblux@googlemail.com; Joni LIST Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel - --- Em wrote: > --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Oh and another question: what is the > > corny-countryesque-atmospheric-sounding instrument > on This Place? > > Pedal steel (and is that a kind of guitar)? > > "a little bit corny", eh? > lol, I love pedal steel, anyway here's a good > explanation: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedal_steel_guitar > I've never understood why they call it a guitar. Doesn't play like one, doesn't sound like one. Not my favourite instrument by any means. Catherine - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:09:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: njc, Elvis and Bob Nope...they played here last weekend, at Littlejohn Coliseum in Clemson, SC. And I could have had 6th row tickets. Not interested. My friend went and said the show was OK. The acoustics there are awful even for basketball. And besides, I've seen them both before. Looking forward to seeing Laura Love & Spoon next month. Bob NP: Judy Niemack, "Blue" - --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:12:34 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: 2008 Rock and Roll HOF Nominees - NJC THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME FOUNDATION ANNOUNCES NOMINEES FOR 2008 INDUCTION (New York) - The nominations for 2008 induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame were announced today. The nine nominees are: Afrika Bambaataa, Beastie Boys, Chic, Leonard Cohen, The Dave Clark Five, Madonna, John Mellencamp, Donna Summer and The Ventures. Ballots with these nominees will be sent to over 500 voters who will choose the acts for inclusion into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for this year. Five new inductees will be honored at the annual Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction ceremony on March 10, 2008 at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York. To be eligible for nomination into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, an act must have released its first single or album at least 25 years prior to the year of nomination. This year's nominees had to release their first single no later than 1982. Afrika Bambaataa began DJing at block parties in the Bronx in 1977 with the help of Universal Zulu Nation, an organization he founded to help pull Bronx youth away from gangs. Bambaataa's stunning knowledge of obscure funk grooves and his turntable skills earned him the nickname "Master of Records." As his parties grew, so did his Zulu Nation - which soon encompassed the Bronx's finest rappers, break dancers and graffiti artists. In 1982, Bambaataa released the Kraftwerk-sampling hit single "Planet Rock" which spawned an entirely new genre of music: electro funk. In 1984, he teamed up with former Sex Pistol John Lydon for "World Destruction" one of the earliest examples of rap fusing with rock and roll. The Beastie Boys began as a hardcore punk band in 1982, but soon jumped to the city's vibrant rap scene. Their Rick Rubin-produced album, Licensed to Ill, was a masterful collage of classic rock samples, pop culture references and bratty attitude. Its fifth single, "(You Gotta) Fight For Your Right (To Party)" became an MTV staple and the party anthem of the 1980s. The Beasties' follow up, 1989's Paul's Boutique was a critically loved masterwork of sampling. In the 1990s, they became elder statesmen of the genre, scoring monster hits ("Sabotage", "Intergalatic") while speaking out about social and political issues such as the Tibetan Freedom Concerts. In 2007, the Beasties released The Mix-Up, a post-punk instrumental album further showcasing their boundless originality. Chic was a pioneering New York jazz-funk group led by Nile Rodgers on guitar, Bernard Edwards on bass and Tony Thompson on drums. Chic brought refined musicianship and rhythmic innovation to 1970s disco, and also laid the foundation for hip hop, with their song "Good Times" providing the music for the groundbreaking hit "Rapper's Delight." Chic created some of the disco era's classic songs such as "Dance, Dance, Dance (Yowsah, Yowsah, Yowsah)" and "Le Freak." Rodgers and Edwards went on to write and produce some of the '80s' biggest pop songs for Madonna, David Bowie, Mick Jagger, Diana Ross, Sister Sledge, and others. With the 1966 release of In My Life by Judy Collins, containing Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne" and "Dress Rehearsal Rag," Cohen became a folk rock icon of the singer songwriter movement. Already an acclaimed poet and novelist in his native Canada, Cohen moved to New York in 1967 and released his classic album Songs of Leonard Cohen on Columbia Records. Its music launched Leonard Cohen into the highest and most influential echelon of songwriters. Cohen's elegiac work is widely used in film and covered by artists from Jeff Buckley to Bono to Bob Dylan to R.E.M. As Kurt Cobain said, "Give me a Leonard Cohen afterworld so I can sigh eternally." One of the most successful British Invasion bands of the Sixties, The Dave Clark Five topped the UK charts in 1965 with their iconic pop song "Glad All Over." Thundering production set the DC5 apart. Their slick melodic sensibility masked their boom factor: The DC5 were the loudest group in the U.K. until the advent of The Who. Drummer, songwriter and manager Dave Clark provided a perfect foundation for Mike Smith's soulful vocals. Reaching the Top Forty 17 times in just three years, with more appearances on the Ed Sullivan show than the Beatles or the Rolling Stones, the DC5 were an enormous pop phenomenon before disbanding in 1970. The Dave Clark Five have sold more than 50 million records worldwide to date. Doors opened wide for Madonna Louise Ciccone in 1982, after five years as a singer and dancer on New York City's competitive club circuit. She signed with Sire Records (her label for the next 14 years) where her idiosyncratic persona exploded onto turntables, dance floors and airwaves and captured the imagination of the first generation of MTV viewers. She went on to become the top female star of the 1980s with seven #1 hits, three #1 albums and seventeen top ten hits in that decade. In addition to molding her public image, Madonna is a meticulous studio craftsperson and completely uninhibited stage performer. From her first #1, 1984's "Like A Virgin" (produced by Nile Rogers of Chic) to her most recent two year Confessions campaign, Madonna remains one of the most ferociously original artists in music today. Over the course of his career, John Mellencamp has become a symbol of the hopes, struggles and passions of America's heartland. As a songwriter, many of his efforts have transcended "hit" status ("Hurts So Good," "Pink Houses," "I Need A Lover") and have entered the cultural vernacular. Mellencamp's musical heart is in his ballads and rock numbers rooted in late 50s and early 60s rock and roll. His music describes the American experience; the hopes and fears of the common everyman. As co-founder of Farm Aid, Indiana's favorite son gives voice to issues that might otherwise be ignored, from our disappearing farmlands to the role of race and class in America. Raised in the church, rooted in gospel, LaDonna Andrea Gaines would become Donna Summer, the undisputed "Queen of Disco." In 1975, "Love To Love You Baby" began a long-term association with Munich-based songwriters and producers Giorgio Moroder and Pete Bellotte. Summer made history from 1979-1980 as the only artist ever to have three consecutive multi disc albums all hit #1: Live and More, Bad Girls and On The Radio. Her first U.S. recorded LP, the self-titled Donna Summer, produced by Quincy Jones in 1982 featured Bruce Springsteen and other notable rock contributors. "She Works Hard For The Money" kept Summer at the top of the charts in 1983, followed by the top 10 hit "This Time I Know It's Real" in 1989. Endless covers and sampling of her music proves that Summers' contribution remains compelling and classic. From Seattle, The Ventures defined instrumental guitar rock in the 1960s. Their hits bookended the decade, from 1960's "Walk Don't Run" to 1969's "Hawaii Five-O." Nokie Edwards' twang-guitar and the crisp rhythm of Don Wilson, bassist Bob Bogle and drummer Mel Taylor gave every Ventures album their trademark bent note sound. Long admired by other bands like the Beatles (and especially George Harrison), Stephen Stills, Joe Walsh, Aerosmith, and others, The Ventures hit the Billboard chart nearly three dozen times in the 1960s. The transparent stereo mixes enabled guitarists to isolate and learn every riff, an idea that fueled 1965's essential instruction LP Play Guitar With The Ventures. Founders of surf rock, The Ventures inspired a classic line of Mosrite guitars and have maintained a flourishing touring and recording career for decades, especially in Europe and Japan. Five new members will be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The five inductees will be announced in January, 2008, and the induction ceremony will take place on March 10, 2008. All inductees are ultimately represented in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum, in Cleveland, Ohio. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum is a nonprofit organization that exists to educate visitors, fans and scholars from around the world about the history and continuing significance of rock and roll music. It carries out this mission both through its operation of a world-class museum that collects, preserves, exhibits and interprets this art form and through its library and archives as well as its educational programs. - -- Rolling Stone http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2007/09/27/2008-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-announced-madonna-beastie-boys-more/#more-3985 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:26:39 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Shine - ----- Original Message ----- From: it's almost like a > culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same time being a > starkly > original piece of work. In my opinion, this is what she has always done. Each album has built on what came before and added something new. 'Shine' has a wonderful familiarity about it....but it also sounds like nothing I have ever heard before. Mark E. in Seattle currently enjoying my 2nd time through the shiny new 'Shine' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:42:33 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: 2008 Rock and Roll HOF Nominees - NJC Cassy sent: > THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME FOUNDATION ANNOUNCES NOMINEES FOR 2008 > INDUCTION > > (New York) - The nominations for 2008 induction into the Rock and Roll > Hall of Fame were announced today. The nine nominees are: Afrika > Bambaataa, Beastie Boys, Chic, Leonard Cohen, The Dave Clark Five, > Madonna, John Mellencamp, Donna Summer and The Ventures. - --And still no nomination for Hall & Oates. This Afrika business (never heard of him or them), the beastie boys (they must be kidding), Chic (good grief). John Mellencamp????? These are getting to be as ridiculous as the Grammys. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:49:52 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: If I had a heart - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hankins" > Yes- This song sure gets in your head, as others have attested. Synchronicity. Just getting through my 2nd listening of this song. The intro alone is worth the price of admissions. Just gorgeous. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:18:51 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: 2008 Rock and Roll HOF Nominees - NJC I like going to the Rock Hall (I did used to work there as its 20 minutes from me) as they have nice memorabilia there and in theory it is a good idea. In reality (for the artists), it doesn't really matter if you are inducted now because if you aren't chances are you will be pretty soon. It seems like everyone gets inducted anyhow after a good amount of time so there's no special honor in it in my opinion. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:22:53 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel In a message dated 9/27/2007 8:47:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: It IS one of my favorite instruments. I play Dobro and lap steel. When I retire I'll learn me the pedal steel. And Greg Leisz is one of the best. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --- I like the pedal steel guitar. I think, when played right, it can work quite well in a song. It does depend on the song though and how upfront it is in a song. I'd like to learn it one day. I've tried learning slide guitar which is sort of similiar to that (no pedal, just a slide on your finger you know but still sliding away!) but even the smallest slide is too big for my finger. I can't get a good hold on it therefore I have very little control of it when using it. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --- I've > tried learning slide guitar > which is sort of similiar to that (no pedal, just a > slide on your finger you > know but still sliding away!) but even the smallest > slide is too big for my > finger. I can't get a good hold on it therefore I > have very little control > of it when using it. > I tried creating a slide sort of sound by using a pencil or some other thing and just sliding it on the guitar. I'd like to get one of those slide things too. They come in different sizes. I'm sure you could get one custom-made and it wouldn't cost too much. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:32:32 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni instrumentals get me angry!!! I was playing in the Rialto lobby today for a special reception (the GSU College of Education, welcoming their new dean), doing standards, some light jazz, and everything was going great, until I started playing Joni Mitchell, A Case of You, and I started feeling really angry. I don't know what came over me...all of the sudden I was enraged and wanted to scream. So I just stopped and started playing "You Are Too Beautiful" instead, then all of the sudden, everything was fine. I didn't play any more Joni Mitchell songs, and the rest of the evening was so serene. So if you're playing piano somewhere, in a hotel, at a wedding, or even just at home, be careful, and don't play any Joni Mitchell songs without also singing...or you just might find yourself wanting to throw something or break bottles on the wall. If you know any friends who play piano, please warn them about the danger of playing Joni Mitchell sans voice. Sadly, this malady is widespread and can especially affect musicians who frequent jazz clubs and other such hangouts. Spread the word! Brought to you by the Association of People Against Playing Joni Mitchell Songs With Just Piano Or Guitar Or Drums or Saxamathingy or Trumpet and With No Singer Which Means No Lyrics Can Be Heard Organization ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:40:46 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine Q/pedal steel In a message dated 9/27/2007 10:32:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: I tried creating a slide sort of sound by using a pencil or some other thing and just sliding it on the guitar. I'd like to get one of those slide things too. They come in different sizes. I'm sure you could get one custom-made and it wouldn't cost too much. Catherine - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - That would be the thing to do. I've tried using a knife before because from what I read that is what the blues guys first used to play slide. But...no wonder that quickly changed to a slide! In addition, before when I played lead in a rock band, I picked up someone's beer bottle near the front and played a little slide with it. It was pretty funny. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:56:46 -0400 From: "Some Millers" Subject: recent Joni video interview & "Shine" preview -- 7 minutes of bliss Please accept my apology if this link has previously been posted here, but I just stumbled upon this recent Joni video interview, which features some great footage that I think many others here will also love. I've just watched it twice and will soon be going back for more. http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.Channel &ChannelID=91132617 All for now- Paul S. 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