From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #387 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 27 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 387 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shine... One Week Last Summer [LCStanley7@aol.com] "shine" ["gene" ] Re: Shine on stereo (now radio) [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: shine at walmart [J Kendel Johnson ] RE: Shine [Deb Messling ] Re: Shine [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Your Amazon.com order has shipped [LCStanley7@aol.com] Shine 2-Day - Positive Starbucks story [JILL A HAAS ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:00:52 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine... One Week Last Summer Bene writes: > Does anyone else think this sounds like storytellling or > theatre or filmmaking? Especially One Week Last Summer. > Hi Bene, Yes, I for sure do think the songs all have a story telling quality to them. This reminds me to share an experience I had last night while in my car with One Week Last Summer playing. I heard Joni singing it. I was just letting the song fill me, not concentrating on it... and my auditory brain filled in Joni singing. When I started to focus on the song, I realized she wasn't really singing. Our visual brain does this kind of thing - fills in what isn't there as it makes sense out of an image. I'd never caught this kind of auditory thing happening before. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:54:52 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: "shine" If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears or sees it, does it really fall? That's about the way I feel about "Shine." Great music and lyrics, but who's going to hear it? Is it going to shine on anybody's life to change their lifestyle? Once I get over that hump, I love this CD, but then again I've never not liked anything Joni has done musically. And she doesn't disappoint me here. Her opening song "One Week Last Summer" sets the stage for her muse. The song "Shine" is the absolute jewel. Love her lyric "Shine on another asshole, passing on the right." The picture of a lone ballerina under a street lamp just enforces her lyrics. Even someone like Joni who has grown into a cynical person from her early days of STAS thinks there could be a light at the end of the tunnel. Yes, it is a positive tone that she sings this song. Her rendition of "IF" does bring the poem up to date and acceptable to all age groups. Kipling is smiling in his grave. Musically and lyrically the CD is perfect! And yes, it does need to be heard on a home system----I just can't help but wonder how this CD would sound if Jaco was on it. WHOA!!!!!! Let me catch my breath. Yeah, maybe it's the full moon but I'm jumping with joy and I'm letting my light shine. enjoy, gene p.s. like all of Joni's music of late, the more I listen the more I'm going to hear and enjoy. It's like walking the same trail everyday but finding something new and fresh for the new day. bring it on!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:13:22 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine on stereo (now radio) Jack writes: > I'm wondering what song people think would make a good choice for radio. I > would love to call the local radio station and ask to play a song, but I'm > wondering which one would be a smart choice. Any recommendations? > > Hi Jack, We don't have a good stereo here so I envy you! Maybe I should invest in one just to hear Shine. As for what song to recommend for radio... Night of the Iguana. Then after people turn their heads and want more, If and This Place. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:55:44 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: shine at walmart Kate states my point precisely. The artist only gets what's left over from record sales -- after all the other business folks involved in manufacturing, marketing and delivery get their (firm, set) pieces of the pie -- and often that ends up being a staggeringly small amount. Hence, one factor in Joni's denouncing of the record business as a "cesspool". So if you want to support Joni by sending as many $ her way as possible when you pay for her artistic creation, you might want to consider bypassing the discount stores and paying full retail at Starbucks. The additional $8 dollars or so that you might pay full retail is not much out of the ordinary buyer's pocket, but multiply that X 100,000's of buyers, and you're potentially removing a lot of income from an artist when fans buy the CD at a discount, even if she only receives a fraction of that amount after the record company has tallied up all their costs and paid themselves first. J Kate Bennett wrote: Therein lies all the fuzzy math that has put many an artist in debt. Because a profit is based on gross sales minus expenses. But the artist has no say so over the expenses. And the company can & has charged all manner of crazy expenses in the name of marketing & promotion which reduces the profit. >The recording artist also gets a royalty, maybe a dollar per album for an established artist. This money is only paid, however, once the album starts to generate a profit; that is, the record company loans the money to the artist, and doesn't give them anything until all their investment is paid back.< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:28:09 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: Shine Being in the anti-Kipling camp, I'm embarrassed by how much I like the song If. My favorite verse, though, is all Joni: If you can bear to hear The truth you've spoken Twisted and misconstrued By some smug fool Or watch your life''s work Torn apart and broken down And still stoop to build again With worn out tools. Those last two lines made me weepy. Not that I'd agree that Joni's tools are "worn out," but we all know that 2007 Joni is different from 1977 Joni. And I don't know if we've ever heard Joni herself acknowledge that. At 09:46 PM 9/26/2007, you wrote: > Joni also ALMOST redeems the Kipling poem--that is a >remarkable achievement. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:29:29 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine Bob writes: > ...it's almost like a culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same > time being a starkly > original piece of work. And it sure as heck ain't folk music. > Hi Bob, Your first sentence hits the nail on the head and is why I am of the opinion it is her finest work. As for folk music... I see the story telling qualities and the way she deals with current issues as folk, but the music stands in a category of it's own, way outside of the traditional folk styles. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:39:22 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Your Amazon.com order has shipped In a message dated 9/26/07 11:27:04 PM, ship-confirm@amazon.com writes: > The following items have been shipped to you by Amazon.com: > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Qty Item Price Shipped Subtotal > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Amazon.com items (Sold by Amazon.com, LLC): > 1 Box Car Racer [Explicit Ly... $9.97 1 $9.97 > 1 Papermate Visibility - Ret... $4.69 1 $4.69 > 1 Shine $12.99 1 $12.99 > My kids asked me today when I picked them up from school, did you get another Shine CD? They know me all too well. I said "no" but now I'll have to recant. Shine day 2 is almost done... day 3 is on the way. Good night list-eners. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:42:49 -0700 From: JILL A HAAS Subject: Shine 2-Day - Positive Starbucks story Today I went back to the Starbucks where I bought Shine (yesterday) to see if I could bum the poster for yesterday's Lunch, and they wouldn't let me have it! This Starbucks falls into the good report list, as they wanted to keep the poster up to continue promoting the CD, and, at 5:30pm the day after the release, they were still playing Joni. I think I'll go back there! Jill ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #387 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------