From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #386 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 26 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 386 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Shine-the title song [LCStanley7@aol.com] If I had a heart ["Jeff Hankins" ] RE: Shine ["Richard Flynn" ] [none] ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: The reviews [Catherine McKay ] One of MY biggest regrets... [joseph tischner ] Re: SHINE buying experience [jeannie ] Re: SHINE buying experience [jeannie ] My line on Shine ["Owen Duff" ] Re: Shine [Catherine McKay ] Shine CD at Borders Books & Music for $9.99 ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Shine check-in ["Mark Scott" ] Joni and Bob [Kerry ] Re: I think I have a heart.... [Catherine McKay ] Re: My line on Shine [Catherine McKay ] RE: Shine ["Richard Flynn" ] Subject: Shine on a stereo ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Voice of Mother Earth [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #300 [StDoherty@aol.com] Rosie and Joni [Rusty10113@aol.com] RE: Subject: Shine on a stereo ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: If you want me I'll be in the STARRRRRRbucks!/listening lunches [Patt] RE: Shine ["Jim Kauffman" ] Starbucks Thank You [Patti Parlette ] RE: Rosie and Joni [JILL A HAAS ] RE: Shine ["Jim Kauffman" ] RE: Shine ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: moon [Patti Parlette ] Re: Exciting News [Brian Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:12:00 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine-the title song In a message dated 9/26/07 3:42:38 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > what if the human > race is just a bacterial culture of some kind that is > infecting the earth, and what if she suddenly gets > really pissed off and throws us all off, or comes up > with an antidote of some kind, or summons up the > appropriate immune response, and we all got sloughed > off like some kind of icky virus? Better to be > symbiotic, I think. > Hi Catherine, The immune reaction is already happening in the form of a fever (global warming), large cells removing our colonies (hurricanes), exfoliation (tornados), increased vascular permeability (floods, tsunamis), cytotoxic T cells (terrorists), antibodies (drug dealers), complement cascade (lightening and fire), etc. Yes, symbiosis with all and utmost respect for our mother earth. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:36:43 +0100 From: "Jeff Hankins" Subject: If I had a heart Yes- This song sure gets in your head, as others have attested. One thing though - I'm sure it sounded a bit different when the Tin Man sang it on the way to Oz. (If this reflection already made, please ignore.) Jeff, Wales ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:54:53 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Shine - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:53 PM To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Merk54@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org; missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Shine also the flute "bursts" from FTR. This album reminds me of the "place" of FTR even if the woman's mind is on other things. Em Me, too, Em. The first time I heard "Shine," I had a shiver of recognition of FTR (my favorite Joni album along with "Hejira"). I like Sonya Kitchell's "All I Want" on the Amazon Bonus version of "River"--as a whole, I think, a record I prefer to "Shine." NP Steve Earle, Washington Square Serenade ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:49:26 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: [none] "Shine" - Full Moon tonight. Ahhhhh - Full moon. Happy Days Anita ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:20:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The reviews - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I don't get it. The majority of the negative > reviews on Shine (or the less > than welcoming ones anyhow) cite their > disappointment in the album mainly > because of the "anger" of the lyrics. Am I missing > something? Nope. *They* are missing something. You get it. It may be too subtle for some people. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:43:12 -0400 From: joseph tischner Subject: One of MY biggest regrets... ...is not being the author of the poem "IF". (LOL! I couldn't write my way out of a paper bag. Who am I kidding?) But God knows there have been hundreds of Joni lyrics that resonate so deeply in all of us. That's what it's all about, right? But I am totally in awe of IF. The profundity and depth here are astounding! Makes me think of the Bible verse that includes "don't repay evil with evil". Very Zen/Eastern philosophic attitude here, and she and Kipling are RIGHT ON! But for the world to take heed of THESE lyrics, not Strong or Wrong or If I had a Heart... THEN, and only then, would we have the genius to save "This Place"! In my opinion, it's going to take a LOT of humility (not might, that's right Joni!) on the part of a LOT of folks (Hillary and Barrack, George, Dick, Rudy and Newt, et.al) to fix what's wrong. How 'bout we start with us here? LISTEN to this song people!!! 'If you can wait and not get tired of waiting, and when lied about, stand tall. Don't deal in lies, and when hated, don't give in to hating back. Don't need to look so good. Don't need to talk too wise.' Just 'fill your journey of a minute with 60 seconds worth of wonder and delight, then the earth is yours'. OMG!!!!!!!!!!! THAT IS BRILLIANCE!!! JONI, U SHINE BABE! I'm close to voting this the best Joni lyric ever!!! (Even though she borrowed...) I'm going to look for Kipling's work now. Regretfully, never read him. P.S. Night of the Iguana has the best music on the CD; perhaps the most melodic and captivating music Joni's penned since Yvette in English. Great Spanish flavor; LOVE the lyrics too! BYT never did it for me. Overplayed? Whatever... Joni KICKS ASS with this version! I don't know, I get a little funk'd up vibe coming from this one. Anyone else feel it? Anyway, despite all the doom and gloom, I rank this as the best in the last 25 freakin years, since Wild Things (my personal favorite)! _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience I live in San Antonio, Texas. I don't know why they (Borders) at The Quarry don't have Shine . They didn't have the recent JM tribute album, either. Maybe other Borders locations here carry Shine. In just a while, I'm heading out to a Starbucks that has Shine for sure! In this neck of the woods the majority listen mainly to the ~top 40~ country, rap, and trash can rock band poker chip discs and to me, this town tends to be musically lame, thus these problems arise, as far as I'm concerned. But, at least I have Austin right around the corner when it comes to music, so I can't complain, really! I'm off to buy Shine now. I don't know if I should do a sneak preview of the CD in my car or wait to hear it under tonight's big, beautiful full shining moon. Bye, for now! Jean kenevans@umich.edu wrote: Gee, where do you live? I went in Borders at noon Tuesday in NW Atlanta and they had Shine and Herbie. Went in another later in the day on the way home and they had them too. > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:46:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: jeannie > Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience > > Okay, I too felt like I was on a wrong page because the two Starbucks > and a Borders Bookstore my son went to didn't have Shine in stock. > > Under these unusual circumstances, after my son called me to tell me > that the places he had gone to had none, I was like, "What?!? I feel > out of sync here and on the wrong page with the JMDL novel of our > lives. Could this be happening only to me?" > > I thought I was the only one. > > Me, the doubter, called those two Shine-less Starbucks locations and > one girl said it wouldn't be out at her location until October 3rd. > The other girl at the other Starbucks doesn't know as much about > music as she does her cafe lattes. I couldn't believe it. I called > the downtown Starbucks where I know the manager, Brandy, is really > cool, sweet and very helpful and it's the best place for music and > she told me she had Shine but my son didn't want to deal with the > parking hassles even though she gave him hints where to park. > > As usual, Borders doesn't usually carry what I want unless I put in > an order. > > So, I'm thinking of going to Wal-Mart but I don't even know if > they're carrying it. My son says, "Wait until tomorrow. It's late." > > My days begin at night, but I'm not in any Wal-Mart mode right now. > > I don't know where else to go. I guess I'll have to wait. > > So, it's just me, the moon, and the FM classical station, running > behind the times. Enduring patience is all I can think to make sense > of not having Joni's music with me on a day of one of her record's > releases. There's a first for everything and this sure is a doozy one > for me! > > All I can do now is look up at the clouds lit up by the moon and I > just know that Nature, in all of it's majestic beauty, has a way that > balances me out on days and nights like these. I think I'll put > Clouds on. That'll work just fine. > > Jeannie > > > Bryan wrote: > Gosh, I was thinking it was just my local Starbucks missing the boat > when I read that many of you encountered the same thing -- stores > that hadn't stocked the CD and didn't have it behind the counter, > dumbfounded clerks (some helpful, some condescending), and, finally, > a copy of Shine found in the stockroom. So I think that they dropped > the ball all over the country. Disappointing. Maybe they'll all have > it stocked by the end of the week. But I think it's safe to say that > the listening party scheduled for 11 to 2 was sort of a joke. To > quote the clerk at one store, "We're the busiest Starbucks in the > region, and they don't tell us anything." > > Anyway, now having heard Shine for the first time (on anything other > than my tinny computer speakers), I have to say I love the music on > this album (except for the drum machine on If I Had a Heart), it just > "sounds like a Joni Mitchell album." The lyrics (the object of my > earlier rant), are, often, not so hot. But I'm listening with an open > mind, hoping to get past the "pedantic effrontery." > Bryan - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience I live in San Antonio, Texas. I don't know why they (Borders) at The Quarry don't have Shine . They didn't have the recent JM tribute album, either. Maybe other Borders locations here carry Shine. In just a while, I'm heading out to a Starbucks that has Shine for sure! In this neck of the woods the majority listen mainly to the ~top 40~ country, rap, and trash can rock band poker chip discs and to me, this town tends to be musically lame, thus these problems arise, as far as I'm concerned. But, at least I have Austin right around the corner when it comes to music, so I can't complain, really! I'm off to buy Shine now. I don't know if I should do a sneak preview of the CD in my car or wait to hear it under tonight's big, beautiful full shining moon. Bye, for now! Jean kenevans@umich.edu wrote: Gee, where do you live? I went in Borders at noon Tuesday in NW Atlanta and they had Shine and Herbie. Went in another later in the day on the way home and they had them too. > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:46:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: jeannie > Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience > > Okay, I too felt like I was on a wrong page because the two Starbucks > and a Borders Bookstore my son went to didn't have Shine in stock. > > Under these unusual circumstances, after my son called me to tell me > that the places he had gone to had none, I was like, "What?!? I feel > out of sync here and on the wrong page with the JMDL novel of our > lives. Could this be happening only to me?" > > I thought I was the only one. > > Me, the doubter, called those two Shine-less Starbucks locations and > one girl said it wouldn't be out at her location until October 3rd. > The other girl at the other Starbucks doesn't know as much about > music as she does her cafe lattes. I couldn't believe it. I called > the downtown Starbucks where I know the manager, Brandy, is really > cool, sweet and very helpful and it's the best place for music and > she told me she had Shine but my son didn't want to deal with the > parking hassles even though she gave him hints where to park. > > As usual, Borders doesn't usually carry what I want unless I put in > an order. > > So, I'm thinking of going to Wal-Mart but I don't even know if > they're carrying it. My son says, "Wait until tomorrow. It's late." > > My days begin at night, but I'm not in any Wal-Mart mode right now. > > I don't know where else to go. I guess I'll have to wait. > > So, it's just me, the moon, and the FM classical station, running > behind the times. Enduring patience is all I can think to make sense > of not having Joni's music with me on a day of one of her record's > releases. There's a first for everything and this sure is a doozy one > for me! > > All I can do now is look up at the clouds lit up by the moon and I > just know that Nature, in all of it's majestic beauty, has a way that > balances me out on days and nights like these. I think I'll put > Clouds on. That'll work just fine. > > Jeannie > > > Bryan wrote: > Gosh, I was thinking it was just my local Starbucks missing the boat > when I read that many of you encountered the same thing -- stores > that hadn't stocked the CD and didn't have it behind the counter, > dumbfounded clerks (some helpful, some condescending), and, finally, > a copy of Shine found in the stockroom. So I think that they dropped > the ball all over the country. Disappointing. Maybe they'll all have > it stocked by the end of the week. But I think it's safe to say that > the listening party scheduled for 11 to 2 was sort of a joke. To > quote the clerk at one store, "We're the busiest Starbucks in the > region, and they don't tell us anything." > > Anyway, now having heard Shine for the first time (on anything other > than my tinny computer speakers), I have to say I love the music on > this album (except for the drum machine on If I Had a Heart), it just > "sounds like a Joni Mitchell album." The lyrics (the object of my > earlier rant), are, often, not so hot. But I'm listening with an open > mind, hoping to get past the "pedantic effrontery." > Bryan - --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:49:03 +0000 From: "Owen Duff" Subject: My line on Shine Well, I've been listening for a few days, and my favourite songs so far are: Strong and Wrong - The greatness of this song hit me when I got to Brian Blade's contribution around the words "Shock and awe" and the heartbreaking way JM sings "where have all the songbirds gone? Gone!". The three-chord sequence around the might is right/his story/shock and awe is reminiscent of Laura Nyro's music, I think someone else commented on this. I keep coming back to this one. This Place - Great melody, and sweet in its execution despite the subject matter. It reminds me of The Crazy Cries of Love musically, but this song strikes a much deeper chord... Shine - After getting over my issue with some of the lyrics, which don't sound right to me, I loved this. Especially in the second chorus where James Taylor comes in and they drop the chord to a diminished 7th just before Joni sings. I find it really quite beautiful, and resonant given JT's contribution to Blue. If - More for its message than anything else - it's a trudging, solid soldier of a song which I think will stand me in good stead, philosophically speaking. The words aren't Joni's obviously but the song, overall, certainly is. Night of the Iguana. I have difficulty with the arrangement of this one, and the mix sounds weird to me, which is a shame because I think the song itself is great. Very catchy verse... Okay, and now onto the ones I'm not so keen on - Bad Dreams and If I Had a Heart. BD's lyrics I think are really not great, and although IIHAH has some good moments (the Steely Dan-esque twist of the melody at the point where JM sings "our lovely sky on fire"), the "big bombs and barbed wire" lyric just spoils it for me, Joni's expressed this sentiment much more artfully before. Hana I like the lyrics to, but musically I find that it has a weird, shapeless feel to it, not helped by the arrangement. One Week Last Summer would be *gorgeous* with real players. I should point out that I make music (www.myspace.com/owenduff in case anyone is curious) and so am practically allergic to bad electronic facsimiles of instruments! I can't afford to get real players in for my stuff and would dearly dearly love to; I just can't understand the thinking behind not using real, living musicians if you can afford it, the result would have been so much richer. Therefore the use of the synthesizer all the way through the album bothers me to a greater or lesser degree, though I'm aware that others might not even notice it. To my ears, Shine is a strange, flawed, but ultimately lovable album. Some of the lyrics and production choices I feel are below JM, but overall the album has so many beautiful and haunting moments and is made with huge sincerity and devotion that I feel very fond of it already. Even on the songs I don't like as much there are moments where Joni's belief in what she's saying come through so clearly that it gives me goosebumps. I'm just pleased she's making new music again. Now, it was a two album deal I believe... I'm writing to Joni now to offer my services transcribing her synth parts to musicians for the next one! Lycos email has 300 Megabytes of free storage... Get it now at mail.lycos.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:34:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Shine - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > especially on the > instrumental cut.> > > Cool, I'm glad I'm not the only one. It's actually > very cool, she has > assimilated some of her piano and arrangement > similarities from C&S, some > lyricism (Night Of The Iguana) from HOSL, some > DJRD'ish world music > influences on the revamped BYT and Hana and NOTI, > her smooth Migus-era > jazz vocals, the "Sex Kills" guitar lick on > "If"...it's almost like a > culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same > time being a starkly > original piece of work. And it sure as heck ain't > folk music. > Yes! The more I listen to it, the more I hear that pulls together her body of work over the years. Sometimes it's a piano bit, sometimes a guitar intro, sometimes it's something in the lyrics that recalls something she has said years before. I definitely heard the "Sex Kills" guitar intro on "If" right from the start and more emerges on each listen. And I'm just loving the song "Shine" more on each listen. It's like a litany. When I die, I want this song played at my funeral. The woman is such a genius, and so many of the critics just don't get it. It's like a stripped-down synopsis of her words and music over her entire body of work, with lyrics that look pessimistic on paper but are hopeful when combined with the voice and music. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:18:19 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Shine CD at Borders Books & Music for $9.99 You always love a bargain. It's good to see you are posting again, Pearl. Congratulations on the arrival of Lilly. There isn't much guitar on "SHINE", so it may take a while. In places, it has the feel of FTR, and then she has Brian Blade on it too. It's all good. Jim L. Pearl said in part, >I liked the packaging of Shine a lot and the picture of the earth on the CD looks cool... As with many a Joni album it takes a few listens to get into it for me sometimes.Proud new grandma of 4 month old Lilly Rachel, daughter of Marcy, named after the song.> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:15:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: update: Joni on local radio A month ago, I sent press releases about the new Herbie Hancock & Joni releases to our singer-songwriter radio station. Last week, WYSO started playing cuts from "SHIINE". She's playing one cut per day, every weekday. That's heavy rotation for WYSO. During the "Wednesday Premiere" feature this week, my buddy Niki started laughing as she announced her intention to play 'something from Herbie Hancock's new one, "River". Yep, Herbie Hancock.' She played the Tina Turner cut from Hancock's album. When I called to say thanks, Niki was said she was expecting my call. (!) I have a feeling she's going to get to Norah Jones' cut before too long. I was impressed because the oldies station wouldn't touch it; the classic rock station (another Clear Channel clone) wouldn't touch it. No other station in Dayton will probably ever play either album. So I ordered up 2 pizzas and had them delivered to the station. What goes around comes around, eh? The gift goes on, Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:23:32 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Shine check-in After going to lunch yesterday and forgetting(!) to stop by Starbucks, I went over today before I ate. There was a line I didn't feel like standing in (blood sugar low, in a 'boot' due to recent foot surgery) so I decided to go have my sandwich and come back. Still a line that was long enough to make me anxious about getting back to work on time. So I decided to stop on my way to the bus stop after work. No line. Grabbed Shine. Off to the bus line. Well after the driver missing the turn on to my street and having to direct him how to get back on his route, I am finally home and about to pop 'Shine' into my player for my first listen. Love to all who are feeling the Joni Shine Power! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerry Subject: Joni and Bob Has anyone else noticed a similarity between Joni's new song, "This Place" and Dylan's "Spirit on the Water" from Modern Times? Just play the first few minutes of each song back to back and see if you agree. (And they're both the second songs on their latest CD's). It must be a coincidence because I can't see her sitting around listening to Dylan so much that it would creep into her songwriting. Two thumbs up for Shine! (And I was worried that I wouldn't like it.) Kerry (Looking forward to a mini Jonifest in cheeseland tomorrow!!!!) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:35:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I think I have a heart.... - --- Em wrote: > I just didn't expect to like it much! Me neither and hence, I'm so relieved that I do like it so much. Maybe I haven't withered and died after all and, like you, I think maybe I do have a heart after all. > > yeah not crazy about the drum machine and weirdly > enough, I think this > thing *could* have been further produced. I'm curious about where the drum machine is used. It didn't sound very "drum machine" to me to begin with, or if she used one, they've come a long way, but, each song (or almost all) shows either Brian Blade on drums or Paulinho da Costa on percussion. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:39:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My line on Shine - --- Owen Duff wrote: > I should point out that I make music > (www.myspace.com/owenduff in case anyone is curious) > and so am practically allergic to bad electronic > facsimiles of instruments! I can't afford to get > real players in for my stuff and would dearly dearly > love to; I just can't understand the thinking behind > not using real, living musicians if you can afford > it, the result would have been so much richer. I don't get it either, unless Joni is just having a lot of fun with the different voices on whatever-the-heck she's using (a keyboard of some kind, I guess?) I don't play piano very well but I've got a keyboard and sometimes it's fun to play with the different voices and see how they can alter the sound of a song, or give it a different mood but - for one thing, my playing is mediocre at best and nothing beats the real thing. There's just a completely different vibe to it. Do you think Joni was trying to save some money? I'm sure she can afford to hire real musicians, so I wonder... I'll try not to respond to too many more posts, because I'm sure I've used up more than my quota. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:46:04 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Shine Catherine, I totally agree that the title track is a profound achievement. I like it best of all, too. I really don't get what people see in "Night of the Iguana." I've been skipping BYT, Night, and often "Strong and Wrong" (after several listens all the way through). Joni also ALMOST redeems the Kipling poem--that is a remarkable achievement. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:00:59 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Shine on a stereo Any of them except the title track, "SHINE". We had a close call with that one, locally. There's one word that might run afoul of FCC regs, depending on your local tolerance. Jim L. >I'm wondering what song people think would make a good choice for radio. I would love to call the local radio station and ask to play a song, but I'm wondering which one would be a smart choice. Any recommendations?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:03:06 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Voice of Mother Earth Hi Ya'll, For a brief moment today I was in my car driving west as the sun was hanging above the mountains, and there was an incredible yellow glow shining over everything. I was listening to Shine, and the thought crossed my mind as I looked at the siloutte of the contour of the land... Joni is singing in the Voice of Mother Earth! Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:56:54 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #300 In a message dated 9/26/2007 1:41:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: DED dread Sweet Mother of Jesus - a DED syndrome? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:13:45 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Rosie and Joni ho you guys all have any idea how huge a fan Rosie O Donnell is of Joni... her talky blog is all about JOni, in such a reverent and magical way, that I urge you all to check it out ... she says, "IF you dont get JOni, well, you probably dont get much" ... i never hear much about Rosie on here and she's a huge star and a major major cheerleader for Joni's place in the world... she plays the first track on her blog and says, "Go float in that, people" and I think we all know what she means... Im not a Rosie freak just kinda clear she's one of the tribe bere.... xoxo ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:13:30 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Subject: Shine on a stereo "Asshole"? They say that on tv nowadays along with shit--at least they do on basic cable channels like TNT. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:01 PM To: JMDL Cc: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Subject: Shine on a stereo Any of them except the title track, "SHINE". We had a close call with that one, locally. There's one word that might run afoul of FCC regs, depending on your local tolerance. Jim L. >I'm wondering what song people think would make a good choice for radio. I would love to call the local radio station and ask to play a song, but I'm wondering which one would be a smart choice. Any recommendations?> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:16:29 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Re: If you want me I'll be in the STARRRRRRbucks!/listening lunches In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:38:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Rusty10113 writes: lets get some reports on how the listenting lunches are, Im gonna miss em! THe Starbucks on 7th ave and 28th st DOES have Joni posters and promo up... *** Bon soir, Joniami(e)s! September 25, 2007. What a day, what a day! I did the whole three hours in Starbucks thing and I've been nearly catatonic ever since. (Did anyone else do that? I could really use a support group. I'm serious. It was intense.) I really should be up in a sterilized room after drinking so many cases of Joni in one day. I ODed big time. But I have the urge for going back there with all of you who couldn't make it. I feel a moral jmdl obligation. If you have time on your hands right now, I'll take you there, to my Starbucks. Come along, Anita! It's so nice to see you back, and so many others. Group hug! (I'm picturing all the Joni-Whos down in Joni-Whoville singing that song. "Welcome Joni, Joni Day....") Warning: this is long, and more of a "love is a story told" than a "report." I started writing this last night but I was too incoherent and long-winded, comme d'habitude, to finish it. Pardon the inconsistency in tenses, and other errors....it's only a draft/moment in time kind of thing. CHAPTER I I had a hard time escaping the workplace, so it was very late when I walked into Starbucks of Mansfield/UConn. Well, not really *that* late. It was 11:02 , but I was panicked that I might have missed something. But no. No Joni action whatsoever! Kind of a portrait of a disappointment. I guess I was expecting to walk into a Joni orgasmatron machine or something, getting all kinds of Joni things stuck to all my senses, but there was nothing. Dullsville. For a few confused seconds, I was afraid I was on the wrong planet, or had the wrong day. Ball of confusion. Total disorientation. Has that ever happened to you? There was no Joni NUTHIN'! What's going on???? Earth to Patti, earth to Patti! Get a grip on yourself. Hana! I need you! Help me! I was running from display to display. No Joni! WTF? There was a long line of people ordering their food and drink. Suddenly someone was tapping me on the shoulder. Ah, sweet Manuela. I knew she'd be there for me. She quicky assessed my mental state and quietly pointed to a table in the back. "I'll be over there with Eduardo, saving you a seat." I nodded appreciatively. I bee-lined to the CD rack and there was: NO JONI! Huh? I started spinning the rack and it went round and round and round in a circle game of Paul and Dave and Dead and Ella and more. Then someone said "Hi Patti." Oh, merde. I don't need some casual acquaintance asking "How have you been?" on SHINEDAY when I am on a freakin' MISSION! But it was a person I like very much, so I could not just brush her off. Bene. (Not *our* Bene, of course.) Her mother was my French professor a long time ago (FTR through Hejira), and then a long-time colleague. She died tragically (fell down the stairs at night, alone) 2 years ago. Marie. Bene is staring at me and saying: "Wow! You look great! What is different about you?" I told her that "Joni happiness is the best face lift". I asked, in a way of explanation: "Do you like Joni Mitchell?" (I really don't have the patience for remedial Joni or Joni 101 today). So I'm trying to explain the condition I'm in, and how today is Joni Day, yada yada yada, while still trying to be polite and attentive but I WANT THE GOD DAMNED CD! And why are they playing Grateful Dead at 11:04 when they are supposed to be having a three-hour tribute to SIQUOMB! I love the Dead, too, but come ON! This is JONI DAY! (LOL...Flashback! I'm back in my college apartment in 1974 trying to take the Dead off the turntable to put on C&S. ("Again and again the same situation, for so many years...) Then I felt Marie's spirit descend on me. Marie had a heart of gold but she was aggressive as hell, and always DEMANDED what she wanted. (I am more polite and gentle.) I told Bene that I was channelling her mother. She smiled at that (she's still grieving). So Marie's spirit and I brush against the strangers in the banquet line (TIC: Back in the banquet line Angry young people crying Who let the greedy in And who left the needy out...) and politely but assertively ask: "Where is the manager? I need to speak to the manager!" The lady points to a woman stacking boxes of tea on a shelf. I rush over and say: "Excuse me?" She says, with a smile: "Yes?" I say: "I'm here to buy the new Joni Mitchell CD. It is supposed to be released here today." She says: "Oh, that's right! I forgot all about it. I should put that out. It's in the back. I'll go get it right now." I said: "Phew! I was afraid you didn't have it. I'm a huge Joni Mitchell fan. But what about the music? Starbucks all over the world are supposed to play Joni Mitchell from 11 a.m. to 2 p.m." She said: "Oh, yeah! Thanks for the reminder. I'll go put that on." Come ON people, get with the Joni PROGRAM! So all it took was a little prodding. I guess we need to be Oddmund-type Joni Missionary Men all the time, getting the message out. Apostles, spreading the gospel of St. Joan. Okay, so I've still got Bene at my side. She was so very pleased that I was getting her mother's spirit. She then told me what she's doing these days, but all I want -- all I really really want -- is to pay for the CD, ask for a poster, get a drink and some breakfast, and find my own table to hold court, and spark. The drink menu is overwhelming, until I see "Iced tea and lemonade." Eureka! What a Joni drink on Joni Day. Perfecto! But then the barista (thanks for teaching me that word) asks me: "What kind of tea?" (Huh? Just tea, babe, with lemonade.) "What kind do you have?" "Black, or passion, or green." Hmmmm. Black crow flying, a little passion, or a little green? I consider a mixture, but then ask for just black. Unsweetened. And all the sizes! "I'll have the venti." (Three hours. I'm gonna need a big one.) The manager finally puts a CD -- the object of my heart and mind's desire! -- in my greedy hands, and the box of CDs (10 - 1 = 9) on the front counter. She holds up a rectangle of carboard, an insert that goes over the cardboard box. I asked if she had any posters or anything, or any more of those inserts, at least, and she said no. "This is all they sent." ***** JONI MITCHELL SHINE A timeless voice challenges today's world. New music born of reflection, extraordinary talent, and the need to speak. ***** Darn right. Yes! I get goosebumps reading that. I hear the the first strains of SHINE. Ahhhhh. So I finally get my tea and lemonade, shove the receipt in my purse (just now looked at it now and it says: 1 MITCHELL, JO*SHINE 15.95, 1 VT ICD BLT LEM SH 3.10, 1 LOAF LEMON 2.50 -- Total 22.85. Priceless! I am keeping this forever!) and bounce over to the corner to my friends Manuela and Eduardo. They're not really Joni people, but they are loving and kind, and come when I whistle. They are working on a shared laptop (they are writing a book together on second language acquisition and pragmatics or something). "Listen, listen! It's Joni! They just started playing it! Listen!" They smile and listen. The man at the table next to me apologizes for using my plug. I tell him it's no problem because I am already plugged in and wired. "I'm just here to hear Joni Mitchell." He just smiles and shrugs and gets back to work. Whole lotta shrugging goin' on in Starbucks, wouldn't you say, Joniamigos? And blank, wide-open stares. What a bunch of clueless robots! I guess when it come to Joni there are the haves, the have-nots, and the have-mores. We are the "have-mores", and now we have more! Dontcha just love it? End of Chapter I Chapter II will have the Starbucks set list. I took notes for you all. It's wonderful to read so many comments and see so many people here getting Joni. I was the only one doing so in Starbucks (it gets so lonely when you're walking and the streets are full of strangers....) so it is heavenly to come home here and read you all. Oh, let your little lights shine. Love, Patti P., in intensive care the past two days _________________________________________________________________ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:27:36 -0400 From: "Jim Kauffman" Subject: RE: Shine > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Kauffman [mailto:jkauff@verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:25 PM > To: 'joni@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: Shine > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > > Richard Flynn > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:46 PM > > To: 'Catherine McKay'; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Merk54@aol.com > > Cc: joni@smoe.org; missblux@googlemail.com > > Subject: RE: Shine > > > > I really don't get what people see in "Night of the Iguana." > > I assume you're familiar with the play, or at least the > movie. Seems to me Joni nailed the essence of it in a short > few minutes. > > Jim K. My apologies. I meant the NOVEL, not the PLAY. May Graham Greene's ghost forgive me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:47:34 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Starbucks Thank You Lindsay wrote: Listen, my mom was old school and forced me to write thank-you notes after everything. In keeping with that, I thought it might be a fun idea for as many as want to write a quick note to Starbucks thanking them for supporting Joni and playing her music. I just went to the Starbucks website, chose customer service for Retail Stores, put in the address of the store I was at, and gave them a big verbal hug for their efforts (I know some of it was spotty, but hey, I'm focusing on the positive here). Couldn't hurt, huh? Now I'm thinking I should have ID'd myself as being part of the JMDL (you know, 'half a million strong', but oh well). I'm with you, Joni Sister! My mom was like that, too. (TIC: Mama taught me the deeper meaning.) Thank-you notes are very important, and a lost art. And Janet, toi aussi, who encouraged us to file friendly complaints with Starbucks. Both sides now. "Dear Starbucks: Thank you very much, thank you for your presence and for being here and everything, thank you very much, but there was a little problemo in some of your stores on September 25th...." Are there any lawyers here? Can we file a jmdl class action suit, asking for compensation for the "mental anguish" we suffered at Starbucks yesterday? All I want -- all I really really want -- out of this, is a Joni poster! Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:04:27 -0700 From: JILL A HAAS Subject: RE: Rosie and Joni Hey, thanks for this info, Rusty. I went on the site, and the only question about Rosie's video blog was "what is Shine?" I wrote a comment thanking her for what she said and asked a question (how long have you been a fan of Joni Mitchell?} to make legit. I hope anyone who has time visits the site, watches the video and posts a "question" related to Joni and/or Shine. Jill of Seattle > ho you guys all have any idea how huge a fan Rosie O Donnell is of Joni...> her talky blog is all about JOni, in such a reverent and magical way, that I> urge you all to check it out ... she says, "IF you dont get JOni, well, you> probably dont get much" ...>> i never hear much about Rosie on here and she's a huge star and a major major> cheerleader for Joni's place in the world... she plays the first track on her> blog and says, "Go float in that, people" and I think we all know what she> means...>> Im not a Rosie freak just kinda clear she's one of the tribe bere....>> xoxo>>> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:25:27 -0400 From: "Jim Kauffman" Subject: RE: Shine > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Richard Flynn > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:46 PM > To: 'Catherine McKay'; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Merk54@aol.com > Cc: joni@smoe.org; missblux@googlemail.com > Subject: RE: Shine > > I really don't get what people see in "Night of the Iguana." I assume you're familiar with the play, or at least the movie. Seems to me Joni nailed the essence of it in a short few minutes. Jim K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:26:56 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Shine It was originally a short story and then a play by Tennessee Williams. I have seen the movie and a stage production. What I don't get is why anyone likes the music. It's the most canned-sounding synthesized track on the CD. Yucko! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jim Kauffman Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:28 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Shine > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Kauffman [mailto:jkauff@verizon.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:25 PM > To: 'joni@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: Shine > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > > Richard Flynn > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:46 PM > > To: 'Catherine McKay'; Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Merk54@aol.com > > Cc: joni@smoe.org; missblux@googlemail.com > > Subject: RE: Shine > > > > I really don't get what people see in "Night of the Iguana." > > I assume you're familiar with the play, or at least the > movie. Seems to me Joni nailed the essence of it in a short > few minutes. > > Jim K. My apologies. I meant the NOVEL, not the PLAY. May Graham Greene's ghost forgive me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 03:37:08 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Re: moon Deb Messling wrote: I was also transfixed by last night's moon, but didn't connect it with Shine! Silly me. *Everything* should have been connected with Shine yesterday. Look at it tonight! It's awesome! Go look at your eyes, they're full of moon. I heard someone on the radio call it "Harvest Moon". At 11:35 PM 9/25/2007, you wrote: >I became intoxicated by the moon SHINE tonight while I walked. Was that you Jeannie? Please forgive me if I'm wrong...it's so crazy ooby shooby these days... Happy wrote: "She just hasn't seen a JMDL'er before in full bloom....with a full moon." Ha! I like all this moon talk. "I'm being followed by a moon shadow., moon shadow, moon shadow..." Shadows and light..... Chuck's/Margarita's restaurant near campus is having a Lunar Lunarcy party tonight w/ cheap Margaritas but I dare not go. I've had enough natural intoxication the past two days. Although it would be fun to have them play Night of the Iguana for that.....don't you just love this part? "The jasmine is sooooo mercilessly sweet......." the way she elongates/sings/emotes the word "sweeeeet" Oh Joni honey, you not only turn me on...you slay me! Love, Patti P. Let your little light shine Let your little light shine Shine on the dazzling darkness That restores us in deep sleep Deep sleep....sounds like something to strive for, just at this moment of the world.... _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:46:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Exciting News - --- Jerry wrote: > An old friend of mine with whom I used to work here at the University moved to NY years ago. We have long since been out of contact. He wrote to me today to tell me he was at Joni's opening last night and did I still like Joni? HA! Well he sent me six pictures of Joni, the exhibit, Rosie O'Donnell and Herbie Hancock. Joni never looked better. Very happy and gorgeous. I have sent them to Les to post on the web site. now me: And I just got home from my day at VioletRay Gallery in NYC. The exhibit is the "Green Flag Song" that was shown at the Lev Moross Gallery in LA last winter. Due to space limitations, there are only 111 large panels and 15 small panels on display in NYC, but according to a couple of the people today who were in LA, the NYC exhibit space is much superior to that in LA. I was lucky enough to spend all afternoon there, pretty much with the gallery to myself for most of the day. The images that Joni has captured here are quite unique. The story behind them is that her TV crapped out, showing the pictures on the screen in negative and for the most part, in green tones only. She took pictures of the TV screen with hundreds of disposable cameras and had the negatives digitized in high resolution. For the exhibit, these panels of 3 images arranged vertically are quite large (about 30" wide by 60" high) and printed on a single canvas. They are best viewed from a distance, and some contain multiple images inside each of the thirds. And as good as they looked in the daylight in the gallery space, when the sun set, the artificial lighting made these works pop off the wall. There are items for sale at the gallery. The large panels are priced at a mere $27,000. The smaller ones (about 12" wide by 24" high) are much more reasonably priced at $7,000. And for those of us who Jimmy and Ed have not yet adopted, there are exhibit catalogs available. The deluxe version is signed by Joni and also includes a printed (or lithographed, I don't know which) small panel (unframed) in a large presentation box and folder for $1,650. And for the rest of us, the signed exhibit catalog is available for $175. They are not selling unsigned catalogs. I was not able to bring mine home today, as Joni was a no-show at the gallery today. It seems that after the very crowded opening Tuesday evening, an extremely happy Joni pulled an all-nighter (what a surprise!) and slept in today. According to the exhibit director Chrissy Glenn, each of the entities (Starbucks, Hear Music, Sam Feldman, and Joni) had their own guest lists for the opening, and JM.com was inadvertently forgotten. If you are interested in purchasing any of the available items, you should contact Chrissy or Gaylen at 917-913-2700. Joni is supposed to be there to sign catalogs on Thursday or Friday and they will ship them out after that. I arrived there today not really expecting to get to see Joni the day following the opening. But all day long, it was a possibility that she would arrive to sign catalogs. Not only was I excited at the possibility of my first meeting her, but Buddy the Fest Dog was absolutely beside himself with the possibility of getting a Joni autograph/tattoo with a liquid ink sharpie I had in my backpack. But alas, it was not to be, and Buddy is still tattoo-free. The exhibit is in NYC until October 6 (except Mondays) and there is hope that it will travel again to other cities. The film of the ballet was shown at the Sunshine Cinema last night for the invitees, and will next be shown on Bravo Canada late in October. If someone can record it, I will burn and distribute 50 free dvd copies, as I did with the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame recording earlier this year. One last thing. While I was in the gallery, I could see pedestrians walking down the sidewalk, seeing the name Joni Mitchell on the window and on the exhibit sign just inside the gallery, pausing for a second, and continuing to walk. I just wanted to grab them by the arm and pull them into the gallery and tell them they had no idea what they were missing. And there were some fans who took notice of my Siquomb shirt and now know that it's more than the name of her publishing company. But hasn't that been the case all these years? We who appreciate her for all her works are few in number compared to the general population. But that just makes us special, doesn't it? Goodnight everyone. Remember, "Bad dreams are good." Brian in south jersey - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! 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