From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #385 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 26 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 385 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Anticlimactic Shine [Michael Paz ] Re: My Ears are Shining [Susan Guzzi ] RE: SHINE & Significant Others. ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Gershwin - NJC [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Shine song playing in your head ["Cassy" ] re: Shine-the title song [c Karma ] WWOZ Radio (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Subject: Shine [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Gershwin - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Shine song playing in your head [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Gershwin - NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Shine ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: SHINE buying experience ["mack watson-bush" ] SV: The power of Fox News ["Marion Leffler" ] Shine [missblux@googlemail.com] Shine on a stereo [Merk54@aol.com] Shine purchase in Sweden ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning [Motitan@aol.com] Variety review of "Shine" ["Barbara Stewart" ] Shine listening experience and more... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: My Ears are Shining [Catherine McKay ] The reviews [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Gershwin - NJC [Victor Johnson ] Re: Shine [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Shine [Merk54@aol.com] Re: CBS Sunday Morning [Michael Paz ] Re: Shine [Victor Johnson ] Re: The reviews [Victor Johnson ] Promo video for Concord ["Les Irvin" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #384 [Peep Richman ] Shine On, Jonilistas!!!! [Peep Richman ] Starbucks Thank You ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Shine [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Exciting News [Jerry Notaro ] Re: CBS Sunday Morning [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Shine [Victor Johnson ] Re: Gershwin - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Starbucks Thank You [Victor Johnson ] Re: SHINE buying experience [kenevans@umich.edu] re: Shine-the title song [Catherine McKay ] interview in New York magazine... [Deb Messling ] RE: Starbucks Thank You ["Jim Kauffman" ] Re: Gershwin - NJC [waytoblue@comcast.net] I think I have a heart.... [Em ] If...you're still waiting for Shine to arrive ["Gordon MacKie" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:51:47 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The Anticlimactic Shine I played that one last night on my evening guitar/martini break. I love that tune. Best Paz NP-In The End-Linkin Park Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 26, 2007, at 7:13 AM, Em wrote: along those lines, "Off Night Backstreet" finally permeated my brain, and lives there now. I hear it all the time. :) Em - --- Deb Messling wrote: > I have pretty much the same Joni experience with every new album: at > > first listen, I think, that's it, she's done it, she's written an > album with NO melody, what IS this crap? Then by the second > go-round, I'll start to hear bits of beauty. Then by, say, the fifth > > listen, it's my favorite album ever. Then eventually I settle down > and it finds its rightful place in Joni's body of work. > > I remember how much I hated Blue the first time I heard it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: My Ears are Shining Yes Jerry It's makes one feel like rejoicing! I wanted to answer every post but when I saw rejoice - I chose this one.. Thanks to all of you who kept the vigil here and never gave up hope. This album is so emotional for me and I am so relieved. Relieved because its not just passable - it's not at all disappointing. - It's truly a most excellent piece of work! Thank you Joni! I am rejoicing as you continue to bathe us and nurture us through our lives with your beauty and art. I find her cutting to the mainstream, saddened by the world affairs - yet still hopeful, still able to find beauty. I have small reservations or critiques - but at this point I want to stay with the positive which heavily outweighs any criticism. No it's not perfect but it is way up there and I could dance - if I wasn't sitting at work in a corporate office Joni could find plenty to write about - LOL! I will dance later - just as I cried last night hearing this CD for the first time - tears of joy! Peace, Susan Jerry Notaro wrote: I love the cd. Voice is clear, lyrics right on, message is truthful yet full of hope, Joni on the piano, all new songs, Joni playing everywhere, posts on JMDL focused on Joni and her music, posts from lurkers and long tome friends, and now, Joni on CBS Sunday Morning. What else could a Joni freak want? Ah, yes. More Joni! The fabulous River: The Joni Letters. It9s a time to rejoice! Jerry - --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:22:59 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: SHINE & Significant Others. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Michael Paz Sent: 26 September 2007 15:54 To: Happy The Man Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: SHINE & Significant Others. ....yes but she will be assimilated! LOL! Enjoy! Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:26:39 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Gershwin - NJC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jerry Notaro > Happy Birthday, George Gershwin. what about Bryan Ferry, TS Elliot, and me? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:21:13 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Shine song playing in your head Bob.Muller Wrote: <<< The ONLY thing about this CD that I don't like. Why use a synth'ed drum beat when you have Brian Blade in the studio with you? >>> When Joni released Dog Eat Dog she is quoted as saying: "It's tedious programming all that stuff," she says, "but at the same time it give you a real compositional articulacy - you can put the beats exactly where you want them, and then colour the sound of them exactly how you want them." Perhaps her reasoning is similar this time? I had to temper my impatience to get Shine into my hands by doing other Joni-related things yesterday (Amazon has moved back the shipping and delivery of my CDs so now they're saying I won't get them until October 1-3 - and I'm going to Detroit on the 3rd for my mother's 80th birthday celebration so who knows WHEN the heck I'll get to sit in the dark with headphones on?). I am beyond upset but I'm trying to be cool. I cannot remember a Joni release I didn't have in my hands the day it came out (except maybe "The Complete Geffen Recordings"). I was glad to have the few songs I captured with my sound recorder during the pre-release flurry of posts. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20. Warmly, Cassy NP: Joni - Cherokee Louise ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:34:17 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: re: Shine-the title song Laura wrote: I love the way she starts BYT with the word "So." And then in Shine there's the temporary nature of our paving of paradise that comes to light for me with the words, "Shine on fertile farmland, Buried under subdivisions," which gives me the image of the sun eventually shining on that land again. Eventually the buildings will crumble and the pavement will crack with the powerful force of the tiny blades of grass growing up through it. I'm currently reading Alan Weisman's "The World Without Us," which describes the means by which the world would reclaim itself if suddenly, the human population was to disappear. Fascinating reading, and timely food for thought. CC NPIMH: Chief Seattle, "Where Is The Eagle?" _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:38:04 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: WWOZ Radio (NJC) My friend and boss Ben Jaffe will be on WWOZ radio from New Orleans tonight at 10pm cst. Please tune in and feel free to call in and make a request for your favorite New Orleans music. He will be playing some stuff from our new album called Made In New Orleans which is brilliant. Carl sings a version of "Over in The Gloryland" that is a combination of tracksw recorded by Ben's dad in the 60's and overdubs done in 2005-2006. Those tapes were recovered from Sea Saint Studios where McCartney recorded Venus and Mars with Linda and Wings as well as many Meters, Dr. John albums, Robert Palmers Sneakin Sally Thru the Alley and hundreds more. Ben saved his fathers tapes that were on a top shelf above the water line of the flood and managed to save many of the afore mentioned recordings. True story! Anyways you can log on to http://www.wwoz.org/ and listen in. this is a great station to listen to music 24 hours a day. They have a great variety of music and you can even request songs from such recordings as Jack Neilson's Here I go Again, or Beth Pattersons albums, or even Pazfest. Shine on JMDL and have a joyous week of new music. BTW check out our new web site as there is a ton of stuff about the band and make sure to run your mouse over the drum logo. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:31:32 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Subject: Shine What's a VG8 thingy? Bn Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:26:19 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Shine i love this record. a massive relief to be denied the VG8 thingy clanking along in and about the songs. and instead we get piano. lovely piano. and her voice and sung melodies. i fall apart, every time.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:51:13 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Gershwin - NJC How fortunate you were born on Gershwin's birthday. I knew about Bryan Ferry, as WMNF has been playing his new Dylan cd today. I have it, BTW, and it is great. Happy Birthday, Victor!!!!!!!!!! Jerry > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Jerry Notaro >> Happy Birthday, George Gershwin. > > what about Bryan Ferry, TS Elliot, and me? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:50:32 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Shine song playing in your head In a message dated 9/25/2007 11:29:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LCStanley7@aol.com writes: Which Shine song does your brain keep playing in the silence? Mine is "If I Had a Heart." - ------------------------------------------------- Yesterday after giving the album two listens, "If" was in my head. Particularly the end part, "you've got the fight, you've got the insight." Today we shall see. It's always a good thing when a song is stuck in your hear I think. - -Mon ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:53:54 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gershwin - NJC Happy Fecking Birthday Victor and Shine ON brother. Hey the band is playing in Greensboro, Ga. on Oct 17. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Jerry Notaro wrote: How fortunate you were born on Gershwin's birthday. I knew about Bryan Ferry, as WMNF has been playing his new Dylan cd today. I have it, BTW, and it is great. Happy Birthday, Victor!!!!!!!!!! Jerry > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Jerry Notaro >> Happy Birthday, George Gershwin. > > what about Bryan Ferry, TS Elliot, and me? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:47:24 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Shine 1. Remember to please trim your posts folks. 2. On first listen wasn't impressed but knew better than to give in to that. 3. Second listen has this album disturbing Mack, in places he doesn't necessarily want to be disturbed. The pending listens hold great promise. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:59:02 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience Bryan wrote: > (some helpful, some condescending), and, finally, a copy of Shine found > in the stockroom. - --This made me giggle. As if a clerk at the Starbucks could ever condescend to me. They might even try but only for a second. After all, I am me and I am there to buy Joni Mitchell. Then again, perhaps snooty won't inspire them to buy the cd. Then again. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:15:01 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: The power of Fox News Hm, Jim - okay, it makes sense. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Jim L'Hommedieu Skickat: den 25 september 2007 19:40 Till: JMDL Dmne: SV: The power of Fox News 2 reasons: 1. A lot of Catholics have "problems" with the church but it doesn't touch their faith. I think Catholics know the church is flawed but love it anyway. 2. In North America (or the US, at least) we love dissent. It's the "American cowboy" attitude. We love the renegade. Jim L'Hommedieu From: "Marion Leffler" >Funny how some of these responses assume that attacking the Catholic church >will sell more cds. If they are so sure of their case, why not assume she >will sell less? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:25:59 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Shine Well I've been sitting in my armchair all afternoon, with a slight flu, coffee and chocolate and spots of lovely sunshine outside, and played Shine over and over again and reading the JMDL digests. What a NICE day to spend an afternoon. I guess this CD will always have good associations for me because I listened to it on such a nice afternoon. Plus, for me, too, it's the first time I actually get a Joni CD on the day and not years or decades later. First, I like the CD. Secondly, I'm relieved, like Les, for two reasons. Some reviewers were talking about synthetic sound - to me it does not sound synthetic, except for on Hana and Night of the Iguana where the sound is very dense. Apart from those I love the sound precisely because it is not dense - I don't know if this makes sense to anyone but it is as if all the instruments get to stand out - they have clearly defined roles and enter and leave the stage with individual effects. Does anyone else think this sounds like storytellling or theatre or filmmaking? Especially One Week Last Summer. The other thing is that some reviewers have said she is old and sour. No, no, I don't think so. Despite the message, the music has a beautiful and positive quality to it. There is none of the frustrated, insulted anger of DED and Tlog. And she sings well. I don't hear he effects of that physiotherapy, although I guess her voice sounds slightly more elastic than on BSN. But maybe that's just because Joni is saner and in good spirits? That in itself is good news! I don' t know if all those positive messages on the list today and yesterday have some sort of contagious effect - everyone seems happy and hopeful...! Bene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:25:52 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Shine on a stereo Having first listened to Shine in my car (as well as the several available downloads on my computer prior to yesterday), I finally had the chance to sit down at home last night and play it on my home stereo. What an amazing difference this makes. The density of the sound really comes out, as does the intricate layering of all the sounds. There is a depth of sonic beauty to this recording that just isn't evident over computer speakers or even in a car system. Some of the songs as a whole still need to work their charms on me, but sonically, I think this is a great recording. People who are bummed about all the synths and drum machines, if you haven't listened to this recording on a good sound system, maybe doing so would change your opinion. Someone mentioned that Shine reminded them of TTT. I can agree with this comparison. I think the biggest difference is the switch from the VG8 to piano. I also hear the influence of Travelogue (the lush denseness of the sound). Looking forward to repeated listenings. So far I like most everything, but am struggling a little with Strong and Wrong. I also struggle a little with the closing of If - it seems disjointed from the rest of the song. I particularly like Shine and Night of the Iguana. I'm wondering what song people think would make a good choice for radio. I would love to call the local radio station and ask to play a song, but I'm wondering which one would be a smart choice. Any recommendations? Jack ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:33:29 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Shine purchase in Sweden Hi, when I came home this evening Shine was in my mail! I hadn't expected it until tomorrow since the actual day of release in Sweden is today and I thought it would take a day to ship. (I ordered it from a web music store). The cover is beautiful, the booklet with the lyrics and pictures of ballet scenes very elegant. Unlike Bene I do not want to share my first listening experience with anybody so I'm signing off now. I will put my headphones up high and embark on this flight tonight in solitude. Will try to give you my impressions tomorrow. Have a happy Shining day/evening, Marion ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:28:23 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning Oh my! What time does CBS Sunday morning start? Normally I could check on my tv but the cable has been shut off and since we're switching our cable/internet very, very soon there's no point in getting it back. I must have someone in my house tape it for me as I work Sunday mornings! - -Mon ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:34:48 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Variety review of "Shine" http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=print_review&reviewid=VE1117934870&ca tegoryid=34 Posted: Tue., Sep. 25, 2007, 9:05am PT Joni Mitchell - 'Shine' (Hear Music) By PHIL GALLO As we age, we beg that artists affect us as they did in our youth, especially the ones who spoke with clarity about life's hidden treasures and pitfalls. Joni Mitchell created such a prescient roadmap for life and love in the 1960s and early '70s that everything since has felt cryptic by comparison. Fans realize they need to let her grow, but that's tough when she is venturing down sidestreets that are years beyond the fandom's ken. (Decades later her experimental work revealed itself to be rather on the mark). "Shine" is a grand return full of familiar imagery in the lyrics, delivered in non-rhyming phrases that force the listener to connect dots between the real and imaginary. "This Place," for example, deals with a bear going through the garbage cans and "the spirit of the water"; the ballad "Strong and Wrong" seemingly discusses the love of a man and woman and includes phrases such as "shock and awe" and "onward Christian soldiers." That one is a mystery. Mitchell, whose voice has deepened, continues to develop as a composer, framing the songs in keyboards and woodwinds, not so much writing melodies as she is creating textures, most of which suggest dark rooms in which the heavy drapes are occasionally pulled aside to reveal daylight. Much of the material is keenly formless, which helps set off the lyrics; on the few tracks in which she uses an acoustic guitar, "If" is the most solid example, the singer re-connects with the style that connected with listeners in the mid-70s. Slow moving seven-minute title track is a graceful tirade against technology, leadership, war and the consequences of so-called progress, but like so much of Mitchell's great work, there's a sense of hope that's there for anyone who choses to listen closely. Read the full article at: http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&r=VE1117934870&c=34 from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:35:58 -0400 From: "Barbara Stewart" Subject: Shine reviews - collection from newspaper database Slipping out of lurkdom. I have access to a database to pick up 'most' print reviews of "Shine" and assemble them in a single Word file. Those who wish to be emailed a copy can contact me off-list by direct email at : bstewart@yahoo.com Use subject line : "JM reviews" The file is too large to post to JMDL, so I thought this might be an alternative. I will NOT keep or spread your email addresses (and anticipate the same with this addy). I will send out a preliminary file tomorrow AM, then re-do the search on Monday to catch the weekend papers. B from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King from : Barbara L.Stewart, MLS Library - Sesame Workshop 1 Lincoln Plaza, 4th fl, NYC, NY 10023 USA tel: 212-875-6393 fax: 212-875-7309 barbara.stewart@sesameworkshop.org "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about the things that matter." - ML King ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:40:18 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Skype njc Thanks to all those who replied about Skype. It has been very helpful and i went and sorted it out last night. It works wonderfull, at about 20% of the cost for a call to a mobile. I'm still struggling to get my head around the changes but this helps. And Cassy, thanks for the pic! It brings back good memories. I look a bit drowsy in it but the others all look wide eyed and attentive:-) That was a fun evening. GARRET NP- Christy Moore, Magdalene Laundries ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:41:11 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Shine listening experience and more... I can't give a full, thorough review on this album as I've only listened to it twice so far (and looking forward to more!). I'm just so excited and extremely grateful to have a new Joni album in my hands. If I could tell Joni thanks (and make sure she hears me!) I would do so. She doesn't owe us anything and it is wonderful that she keeps on giving the greatest gift you could give to anyone--music. I will say it was fantastic yesterday listening to Shine on my headphones in my room. While the song, "Shine" was playing, the sun came peering in through the windows in my room and it made me smile really. The sun was shining on me while listening to Shine. Nice, eh? And I think it's great to read and see all the articles that have been written about Shine. I can barely keep up and that's a good thing! I go to the JMDL library everyday hoping for something new or looking for something new and my search doesn't go any further than clicking on the library page. There's so much to read, so much to absorb. I also think it's great to read all the posts here on the list. I love all the activity here and read each and every post written about Joni and Shine. I don't reply to everything (that'd be insane!) but I do read everything and I am enjoying everything I read. So thanks to you guys for giving such great insights on Joni and her music. So far, I am enjoying Shine but like I said I can't say much just yet. I need time to absorb this album as I would with any other album, and particularly any other Joni Mitchell album. I will say upon my first couple of listens I am seeing much potential in Shine, If, and If I Had A Heart, and Bad Dreams Are Good. I also think the opening track is beautiful with such subtle remnants of melancholy switching to hope and so forth. Now I read the reviews saying they wish Joni would have picked up her guitar more on the album. As a guitar girl myself, I can say I am not missing the guitar. That is no insult to Joni's playing (I love her playing man!) but more a compliment to the eloquence of her piano playing. The piano on the entire album is BEAUTIFUL. I wouldn't ask her to get up from the piano bench and strap her guitar on in place of any of the piano on the album. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:52:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My Ears are Shining - --- Susan Guzzi wrote: > Yes Jerry It's makes one feel like rejoicing! I > wanted to answer every post but when I saw rejoice - > I chose this one.. > > Thanks to all of you who kept the vigil here and > never gave up hope. This album is so emotional for > me and I am so relieved. Relieved because its not > just passable - it's not at all disappointing. - > It's truly a most excellent piece of work! Thank > you Joni! I am rejoicing as you continue to bathe > us and nurture us through our lives with your beauty > and art. > Y'know, when I read the lyrics when they were first posted, they didn't do much for me. When you add the music and Joni's improved voice (physiotherapy does that?), it all works out. In fact, now I'm kind of glad I did read the words first because I can listen to the words and music together without having to check the lyrics sheet, so the whole thing can just kind of wash over me. I like the review that someone posted (sorry, but I don't remember who - was it dovetusai in Italy? love that handle!) from the critic that used the words "serene" or "serenity" and "grace." Those are the impressions I get from this - that Joni has hope for the future, because she has to have hope. She has dedicated this work to her grandchildren. She could have gotten all angry and pissed off and full of bile and venom about the state the world is in, but she has chosen to see the beauty and try to accept the things she cannot change. I think that may be a function of growing older and wiser - you can see the folly of the world, but try to find the candles in the darkness. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:57:18 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: The reviews I don't get it. The majority of the negative reviews on Shine (or the less than welcoming ones anyhow) cite their disappointment in the album mainly because of the "anger" of the lyrics. Am I missing something? Are they missing something? It's not as if Joni says in the album, "fuck it, we've ruined the Earth, let's all give up." There is hope in the album. Take Shine and If for example. I see the album as indeed citing the problems of the world/the Earth/humanity but with glimmers of hope. The hope in this album outweighs the hopelessness. That's how I interpret it anyway. - -Mon ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:03:45 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Gershwin - NJC On Sep 26, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Michael Paz wrote: > Happy Fecking Birthday Victor and Shine ON brother. Hey the band is > playing in Greensboro, Ga. on Oct 17. > > Best > > Paz Merci, merci...fixing to eat some lunch and listen to Shine some more. Would love to come on the 17th but I'll have to see if it conflicts with my classes...I think that's a Wednesday? Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:11:52 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Shine Exactly my take. When I first read the lyrics - way back when - I thought this project was going to be incredibly dark. But when you match the words with the music and the production, it does come out much more hope than despair. Serious, to be sure, but hopeful. And I totally get what you mean about the density - it's a similar "orchestration" to songs like "Down To You" where you get to hear all the individual musical colors as opposed to having so much thrown at you at once. Her voice seems to work much better in this sparer setting. And speaking of C&S, am I the only one who hears some of the same piano figures on Shine that she debuted on that album? Bob NP: Ani, "Asking Too Much" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:39:52 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Shine On Sep 26, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > . And > speaking of C&S, am I the only one who hears some of the same piano > figures on Shine that she debuted on that album? > No....I was thinking that last night and just now actually. Very clearly variations of that same motive. Victor NP: Joni Mitchell "Shine" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:28:36 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: The reviews On Sep 26, 2007, at 12:57 PM, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I don't get it. The majority of the negative reviews on Shine (or > the less > than welcoming ones anyhow) cite their disappointment in the album > mainly > because of the "anger" of the lyrics. Am I missing something? > Are they missing > something? It's not as if Joni says in the album, "fuck it, we've > ruined > the Earth, let's all give up." There is hope in the album. It seems like society in general likes to emphasize the negative and overlook the positive (which is why I don't watch the news). Even early Black Sabbath songs had hope in their lyrics though most people would think they were strictly about gloom and doom. And the way in which she sings, on "Bad Dreams Are Good" for instance, is so unassuming and passive...I don't really even feel anger, more sadness really. Victor NP: Joni Mitchell "Big Yellow Taxi(2007)" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:45:01 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Promo video for Concord http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/audio/asx/Joni_Mitchell_Shine_EPK.asx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #384 Hi, Does anyone know if The New York Times reviewed Shine yesterday...or any of the other major newspapers...L.A. Times. I can't find anything and hopefully someone can post the link...please send it also to ubehpy2003@yahoo.com. Very, very appreciated if you do. Love from Bo - --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:53:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Shine On, Jonilistas!!!! Hello to all the Jonilistas who post regularly and to the Joni lovers who took the time to post. It is wonderful to read what everyone is writing. I probably am the only Joni LOVER who hasn't bought "Shine"....just waiting to get the moolah up (soon). My brother called last night and told me there was a long article in The Philadelphia Inquirer on the 25TH. If you can't find it on-line I'll send anyone who wants it!! I'm very interested in knowing what The New York Times had to say and will look today. To "Dovetusai" thanks so much for taking the time to share the Mojo Review. By the way...I refuse to go to Starbuck's for my copy. Overall after reading the postings I'm having my personal ban on that place. Sure do hope Joni is on this Sunday....I watched in such anticipation last week and there was no Joni.....maybe this week!!! Love to all!!! Bo - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:55:41 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Starbucks Thank You Listen, my mom was old school and forced me to write thank-you notes after everything. In keeping with that, I thought it might be a fun idea for as many as want to write a quick note to Starbucks thanking them for supporting Joni and playing her music. I just went to the Starbucks website, chose customer service for Retail Stores, put in the address of the store I was at, and gave them a big verbal hug for their efforts (I know some of it was spotty, but hey, I'm focusing on the positive here). Couldn't hurt, huh? Now I'm thinking I should have ID'd myself as being part of the JMDL (you know, 'half a million strong', but oh well). Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:40:40 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Shine Cool, I'm glad I'm not the only one. It's actually very cool, she has assimilated some of her piano and arrangement similarities from C&S, some lyricism (Night Of The Iguana) from HOSL, some DJRD'ish world music influences on the revamped BYT and Hana and NOTI, her smooth Migus-era jazz vocals, the "Sex Kills" guitar lick on "If"...it's almost like a culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same time being a starkly original piece of work. And it sure as heck ain't folk music. Bob NP: The Beastie Boys, "Looking Down The Barrel Of A Gun" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:36:25 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Exciting News An old friend of mine with whom I used to work here at the University moved to NY years ago. We have long since been out of contact. He wrote to me today to tell me he was at Joni9s opening last night and did I still like Joni? HA! Well he sent me six pictures of Joni, the exhibit, Rosie O9Donnell and Herbie Hancock. Joni never looked better. Very happy and gorgeous. I have sent them to Les to post on the web site. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:45:24 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: CBS Sunday Morning 9 am - 10:30. > Oh my! What time does CBS Sunday morning start? Normally I could check on > my tv but the cable has been shut off and since we're switching our > cable/internet very, very soon there's no point in getting it back. > I must have someone in my house tape it for me as I work Sunday mornings! > -Mon > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:49:01 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Shine On Sep 26, 2007, at 2:40 PM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > ..it's almost like a > culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same time being a > starkly > original piece of work. And it sure as heck ain't folk music. > I love the overall sound production and instrumentation she uses, especially the steel guitar and some of the electric. Very nice arrangements. Reminds me a little of the recent Paul Simon project he did with Brian Eno, and also a little of David Sylvian...very dreamy, lots of depth, using a variety of timbres, creating a musical landscape. Victor NP: nothing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:52:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Gershwin - NJC - --- waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: > -------------- Original message > ---------------------- > From: Jerry Notaro > > Happy Birthday, George Gershwin. > > what about Bryan Ferry, TS Elliot, and me? > Is that a hint or something? Well - happy fecking birthday to YOU! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:52:44 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Starbucks Thank You On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Lindsay Moon wrote: > Listen, my mom was old school and forced me to write thank-you > notes after > everything. In keeping with that, I thought it might be a fun idea > for as > many as want to write a quick note to Starbucks thanking them for > supporting > Joni and playing her music. I meant to post earlier today but forgot...when I walked into Starbucks this morning (Wednesday) "Shine" was playing! So this location is definitely doing their job to promote the Hear music label. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:10:52 -0400 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience Gee, where do you live? I went in Borders at noon Tuesday in NW Atlanta and they had Shine and Herbie. Went in another later in the day on the way home and they had them too. > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:46:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: jeannie > Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience > > Okay, I too felt like I was on a wrong page because the two Starbucks > and a Borders Bookstore my son went to didn't have Shine in stock. > > Under these unusual circumstances, after my son called me to tell me > that the places he had gone to had none, I was like, "What?!? I feel > out of sync here and on the wrong page with the JMDL novel of our > lives. Could this be happening only to me?" > > I thought I was the only one. > > Me, the doubter, called those two Shine-less Starbucks locations and > one girl said it wouldn't be out at her location until October 3rd. > The other girl at the other Starbucks doesn't know as much about > music as she does her cafe lattes. I couldn't believe it. I called > the downtown Starbucks where I know the manager, Brandy, is really > cool, sweet and very helpful and it's the best place for music and > she told me she had Shine but my son didn't want to deal with the > parking hassles even though she gave him hints where to park. > > As usual, Borders doesn't usually carry what I want unless I put in > an order. > > So, I'm thinking of going to Wal-Mart but I don't even know if > they're carrying it. My son says, "Wait until tomorrow. It's late." > > My days begin at night, but I'm not in any Wal-Mart mode right now. > > I don't know where else to go. I guess I'll have to wait. > > So, it's just me, the moon, and the FM classical station, running > behind the times. Enduring patience is all I can think to make sense > of not having Joni's music with me on a day of one of her record's > releases. There's a first for everything and this sure is a doozy one > for me! > > All I can do now is look up at the clouds lit up by the moon and I > just know that Nature, in all of it's majestic beauty, has a way that > balances me out on days and nights like these. I think I'll put > Clouds on. That'll work just fine. > > Jeannie > > > Bryan wrote: > Gosh, I was thinking it was just my local Starbucks missing the boat > when I read that many of you encountered the same thing -- stores > that hadn't stocked the CD and didn't have it behind the counter, > dumbfounded clerks (some helpful, some condescending), and, finally, > a copy of Shine found in the stockroom. So I think that they dropped > the ball all over the country. Disappointing. Maybe they'll all have > it stocked by the end of the week. But I think it's safe to say that > the listening party scheduled for 11 to 2 was sort of a joke. To > quote the clerk at one store, "We're the busiest Starbucks in the > region, and they don't tell us anything." > > Anyway, now having heard Shine for the first time (on anything other > than my tinny computer speakers), I have to say I love the music on > this album (except for the drum machine on If I Had a Heart), it just > "sounds like a Joni Mitchell album." The lyrics (the object of my > earlier rant), are, often, not so hot. But I'm listening with an open > mind, hoping to get past the "pedantic effrontery." > Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:42:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re: Shine-the title song - --- c Karma wrote: > I'm currently reading Alan Weisman's "The World > Without Us," which describes the means by which the > world would reclaim itself if suddenly, the human > population was to disappear. Fascinating reading, > and timely food for thought. > It has no doubt been suggested before, since there's nothing new under the sun, but... what if the human race is just a bacterial culture of some kind that is infecting the earth, and what if she suddenly gets really pissed off and throws us all off, or comes up with an antidote of some kind, or summons up the appropriate immune response, and we all got sloughed off like some kind of icky virus? Better to be symbiotic, I think. I imagine Earth saying, "Oh my god, I have SUCH a headache!" Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:44:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Deb Messling Subject: interview in New York magazine... ...or the online edition, anyway. It's in the jmdl library under the title "Joni Mitchell Gets Angry, Hugs It Out." Deb Messling http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:25:28 -0400 From: "Jim Kauffman" Subject: RE: Starbucks Thank You > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Lindsay Moon > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:56 AM > To: joni list > Subject: Starbucks Thank You > > Listen, my mom was old school and forced me to write > thank-you notes after everything. In keeping with that, I > thought it might be a fun idea for as many as want to write a > quick note to Starbucks thanking them for supporting Joni and > playing her music. I just went to the Starbucks website, > chose customer service for Retail Stores, put in the address > of the store I was at, and gave them a big verbal hug for > their efforts (I know some of it was > spotty, but hey, I'm focusing on the positive here). > Couldn't hurt, huh? > Now I'm thinking I should have ID'd myself as being part of > the JMDL (you know, 'half a million strong', but oh well). > > Lindsay Nice idea, but I have an alternative one that might get more notice. Mirroring Starbucks' "play Joni between 11 and 3", we as a group could inform Starbucks that on a certain date all list members will buy a Starbucks product between, say, 9 and 12, and say to the baristas (that is what the employees are called, isn't it?) "This one's for Joni Mitchell". Nothing says "Thanks" to a corporation better than a bump in sales. Jim K. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:45:42 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Gershwin - NJC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Catherine McKay > Is that a hint or something? > > Well - happy fecking birthday to YOU! > > Catherine Well thank you! Victor, wishing I could somehow be magically transported to Massey Hall for the Neil Young concert and also wishing he would come to the Fox Theater in Atlanta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: I think I have a heart.... because I got tears in my eyes today on my drive home. Was my 1st listen to SHINE, besides a snippet or 2. I am thankful for Joni and my prayer for Joni is that this was FUN for her. So she'll continue to grace us with the product of her next urges to go inside and sit at the piano. You think we could hire a small plane to do sky-writing where she could see it?? "We Love Shine" or some such?? I just didn't expect to like it much! Got LOTS more listening to do....but my 1st impression is I am drawn to it and it is of extreme value to me. yeah not crazy about the drum machine and weirdly enough, I think this thing *could* have been further produced. (I NEVER think that) But you know what??? if stopping where she stopped made this continue to feel "fresh" to Joni...if she felt it was time to say "enough" - then thats good enuf for me. I felt like I was missing Jaco-swoopage. Am currently reading a biography about him. I've been very ignorant about him and have lots of listening and re-listening to do. The Black Crow style bass could have been sweet on this record too. I'm happy to have the recognizable elements: the flute sounds, Joni's piano rhythms, Wayne Shorter's sounds...... It just feels good so far. I never expected this. Maybe she will keep on. That's my hope - that this felt GOOD enough to her that she will keep on and realize that the music she makes MATTERS even if she is crabby, or scared or hell just ANNOYED, even. And that there is room in this world for her without the old star-maker machinery. I just wish there were SOME way I could personally congratulate her. thanks you guys, its been such a trip over the last couple years being on this list. The absurd convo's, the prickly ones, the productive ones....the speculative ones, the ones where no one felt Joni would ever record again. But she did!!!!!!!!! Nature rallied in our favor!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just feel thankful. ITS LISTENABLE!!!!!!!!!! hehehehehhh, and HOT DAMN, it even tastes kinda good!!!!! :D lurv 'n SHINE, Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:36:04 +0100 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: If...you're still waiting for Shine to arrive Dear Online Shppers I gave up waiting for my disc from bang cd - they may be cheapest in the UK but helluvaslow. Downloaded from iTunes. Worth it. Gordon in cold frosty Glasgow...brrrrr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:53:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Shine also the flute "bursts" from FTR. This album reminds me of the "place" of FTR even if the woman's mind is on other things. Em - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > instrumental cut.> > > Cool, I'm glad I'm not the only one. It's actually very cool, she has > > assimilated some of her piano and arrangement similarities from C&S, > some > lyricism (Night Of The Iguana) from HOSL, some DJRD'ish world music > influences on the revamped BYT and Hana and NOTI, her smooth > Migus-era > jazz vocals, the "Sex Kills" guitar lick on "If"...it's almost like a > > culmination of the last 30 years, while at the same time being a > starkly > original piece of work. And it sure as heck ain't folk music. > > Bob > > NP: The Beastie Boys, "Looking Down The Barrel Of A Gun" > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #385 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------