From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #382 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, September 25 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 382 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: Joni in FOXNews today ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: SHINE buying experience [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: SV: The power of Fox News [Catherine McKay ] Re: SHINE buying experience [Catherine McKay ] "Shine" - the packaging - I love it! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Lunch at Starbucks [Rusty10113@aol.com] Re: Lunch at Starbucks [Victor Johnson ] Re: Lunch at Starbucks [Jerry Notaro ] Shine in my Joni collection.... [MoVFTYite@aol.com] Shine CD at Borders Books & Music for $9.99 [WirlyPearl@aol.com] Shine [Mags ] Shine on i-Tunes ["Cassy" ] Re: Lunch at Starbucks [Motitan@aol.com] RE: Lunch at Starbucks ["Scott and Jody" ] RE: Lunch at Starbucks [Catherine McKay ] Re: When you get Shine ["Jeff Hankins" ] Joni in Starbucks (Kind of) ["Lindsay Moon" ] Shine and Amazon [merk54@aol.com] wake up Starbucks! [LCStanley7@aol.com] When & Where [Bob Muller ] Herbie's bonus tracks [Bob Muller ] Joni, the Catholic Church and me, njc now, really ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Shine ["mack watson-bush" ] RE : Re: Shine [Joseph Palis ] RE: Herbie's bonus tracks ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: when you get shine ["Reuben Bell" ] The Anticlimactic Shine ["William Elliott" ] Re: RE : Re: Shine [Victor Johnson ] Shine [jeannie ] Shiny Happy People (R.E.M.) [Susan Moss ] joni's voice [Deb Messling ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:28:47 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Joni in FOXNews today Thanks for the link, Patti. The fake-news story on Fox News is a better thought-out review than the "real" review from Rolling Stone. What strange times we live in. The gift goes on, Jim L'Hommedieu >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,297798,00.html >"She's back, and not a moment too soon." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:39:37 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: SV: The power of Fox News 2 reasons: 1. A lot of Catholics have "problems" with the church but it doesn't touch their faith. I think Catholics know the church is flawed but love it anyway. 2. In North America (or the US, at least) we love dissent. It's the "American cowboy" attitude. We love the renegade. Jim L'Hommedieu From: "Marion Leffler" >Funny how some of these responses assume that attacking the Catholic church >will sell more cds. If they are so sure of their case, why not assume she >will sell less? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:41:32 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience Hi Catherine, You crack me up! Halo 3 and Shine... hmmm? sounds like a sci-fi story about angels. Love, Laura NPIMH: By the Way (RHCP) "Standin' in line..." In a message dated 9/25/07 12:22:30 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > You'd think they were all getting Shine, right? But > Nooooooo - today is the day they released the Halo 3 > game and every geek in town was there buying it. > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:53:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: The power of Fox News - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > 2 reasons: 1. A lot of Catholics have "problems" > with the church but it > doesn't touch their faith. I think Catholics know > the church is flawed but > love it anyway. 2. In North America (or the US, at > least) we love dissent. > It's the "American cowboy" attitude. We love the > renegade. > Yes, but you also dismiss as unpatriotic anyone who disagrees with the government. When I say "you", I don't mean YOU personally, Jim, or, for that matter, most of, if not all, the people on this list. I mean the loud Americans, the ones that defend GWB and think that people calling for an end to war, as one example, are unpatriotic or anti-american (some of them could very easily be the same people who are "shaming" Joni for "attacking" the Catholic church, although I don't think of the average redneck as being Catholic.) Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:54:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Catherine, > > You crack me up! Halo 3 and Shine... hmmm? > sounds like a sci-fi story > about angels. > > Love, > Laura > Fortunately, they aren't selling Halo 3 at Starbucks. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:05:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: "Shine" - the packaging - I love it! Bless Joni, or her creative director, for creating a CD package with a type-face and font that is legible! the little booklet with lyrics is wonderful - even though it's white type on a black background, the font size is excellent. Even with my horrible eyesight, I can read this without any problem. Little things mean a lot - someone was either very lucky in their design, or thought of this. One of my main beefs with CDs in general is that the printed material you get in most of them is completely unreadable, often in a tiny and very faint font, not to mention the ones that decide to get cute and run the type all the way across the package, or around in circles, so that it drives your eyes crazy. And wouldn't it be great to have a ballet dancer's bum? Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:11:21 -0400 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: Woodstock vs. Woodstock. vs. Woodstock vs... Five versions... the one on PWWAM counts and it's my favorite.... > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:21:12 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Flaherty > Subject: Re: Woodstock vs. Woodstock. vs. Woodstock vs... > > Bob Muller wrote: >>>Of the four versions > she's released, I WAY like the S&L version the best ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:21:28 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience Hey wait Halo 3 came out....why do you think I've been listening to Joni in my office today my boys took the day off and have been playing Halo 3 on my big screen all day. Coversation: "Hey Guys can I listen to the new Joni Mitchell CD on MY STEREO"...yeah dad tomorrow we have to work tomorrow and the sound is great through your system". So I stuck in my office listening to the CD with the occasional "hey Dad is there any food in your house". To which I respond "F#*&off". - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:21 PM Subject: Re: SHINE buying experience >I had it planned to go to Best Buy. Wasn't sure when > it opened and wanted to be sure they'd have it out > when I got there. I aimed to get there just before > noon, because it's lunch time, but the bus took > forever coming down Bay Street, so I ended up walking > and got there after noon. > > I got my copies (one for me, one for a friend) for > $12.99 each and Herbie's Joni Letters for $16.99. > > There was a HUGE lineup at the cash and they only had > two clerks on cash at the time (they added more within > 10 minutes.) > > You'd think they were all getting Shine, right? But > Nooooooo - today is the day they released the Halo 3 > game and every geek in town was there buying it. > > The wait in line (maybe 15 minutes) was actually quite > pleasant, though, because I got to talk to the people > in line before and behind me. The two self-professed > geeks just behind me were there for Halo 3. I jokingly > asked them if there were going to be any video-game > fights as there often are when new games, or at least > new gaming systems, are released, but one guy said, > "No - we're all geeks. Geeks don't fight!" > > They finally opened up a separate line for people who > WEREN'T buying Halo 3. This happened just at the > point when I was second in line, so I got to bump ONE > WHOLE PERSON! > > --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > >> Hi Ya'll, >> >> I went to Walmart in Little Rock this morning, >> and the price wasn't as >> my friend had previously been told it would be. >> Monika was right... $13.88. >> It wasn't out on display! The guy had to look >> through some boxes of CD's, >> boxes and boxes. >> >> > > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:06:17 -0400 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: VLJC Dinner with who? > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:54:04 EDT > From: Motitan@aol.com > Subject: VLJC Dinner with who? > > If you could have dinner with 5 people, living or dead, who would they be > and why? > - -John Lennon & George Harrison: I kind of cheated on this one but I would > want them together. We'd start with tea and then talk it up. You mean "tea" ? %-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:14:37 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: my starbucks lunch NJC Deb, seems to me like you got things in reverse - you should have invited your non-sarcastic Joni fan friend. Glad you got to hear some Joni though... 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The plan for tomorrow: maybe to go and pick up the CDs before I meet my trainer at 11:00, he helps me with a back problem, and then flash the bag around until he asks me what music I've bought, so that at least I get to share the news with one other person... cause I'm not seeing anyone tomorrow. I haven't decided on when to listen yet... A crazy many of you will be listening right now, it's so weird. Have a good listen! I'm just writing all this because I read all the reviews and I'm getting impatient here. Maybe I should just have a general Joni tribute night tonight... yes, that's a good plan! Love Bene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:59:20 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Lunch at Starbucks I also went to Starbucks for lunch in order to listen to the new Joni.? When I got there, there was no music playing, but a sign was out advertising the event.? I asked the woman if they were going to play the new Joni, and she said they always turn the music off at lunch so as not to disturb people who want to use their cell phones.? Do you believe that?? I then pointed to the sign advertising the event, and told her that's why I was there, and she said she would put the music on, but at a low volume.? She then directed me to a corner where I could supposedly hear the music better.? I could barely hear a thing.? Frustrated, I scarfed down my turkey sandwich and my carmel frappachino, and headed to my car for the rest of my lunch hour, where I listened to Joni in the peace.? Only heard it once so far, but overall, I'm very pleased.? Still looking forward to tonight for some serious listening. Jack ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Lunch at Starbucks - --- merk54@aol.com wrote: I asked the woman if they were going to play > the new Joni, and she said they always turn the > music off at lunch so as not to disturb people who > want to use their cell phones.? Do you believe > that?? Shine on the red light runners Busy talking on their cell phones As for me, I'd rather people turned off their damn cell phones and listened to the music. What a weird fecking society we live in! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:34:52 EDT From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: Lunch at Starbucks thanks for all the lunch reports, i ahve to say, seeems like Starbucks dropped the ball on this one, i mean on opening day, they arent even displaying the CD anywhere, and none of their employees have a clue about it? maybe i was expecting too much, but seems for all the PR they ve done they could have a quick staff update... loving Shine, so much better than TTT in my opinion, and even more unexpected, by fave track so far is Bad Dreams are Good... who knew? :) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:36:09 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Lunch at Starbucks When I went by Starbucks this morning at 8:15am or so, Joni was already playing via XM radio. When I walked in, "Woodstock" was playing and it was right on the part where she does her yodeling and such. There were two guys in front of me I overheard basically saying, what is this crap they're playing? I didn't say anything to them but was kind of chuckling to myself. "You Turn Me On I'm a Radio" came on next, then "Our House", which was when I left to go to class. I didn't have time to go by for the listening lunch thing. Victor On Sep 25, 2007, at 4:13 PM, Catherine McKay wrote: > --- merk54@aol.com wrote: > > I asked the woman if they were going to play >> the new Joni, and she said they always turn the >> music off at lunch so as not to disturb people who >> want to use their cell phones.? Do you believe >> that?? > > Shine on the red light runners > Busy talking on their cell phones > > As for me, I'd rather people turned off their damn > cell phones and listened to the music. What a weird > fecking society we live in! > > > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:50:13 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Lunch at Starbucks When I walked in, "Woodstock" was > playing and it was right on the part where she does her yodeling and > such. There were two guys in front of me I overheard basically > saying, what is this crap they're playing? Muller said the same thing when he first hear it! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:53:40 EDT From: MoVFTYite@aol.com Subject: Shine in my Joni collection.... Well, it's a beautiful day here in Denver, CO. SunSHINE, blue skies, pleasant! I just walked down to the nearest Starbucks to pick up Joni's CD. The buying experience was nothing special, except that I think the guys working there were a little surprised I didn't come in to buy coffee. I think they just don't "get" people who don't drink coffee, of course most people who walk into that place are probably there for the coffee, so that makes sense. Anyhow, I walked out with my new disc, and while heading back to my place, I took the plastic off and looked through the liner notes. Glad the lyrics are in there... and the photos from the ballet are nice. I walked inside my place, thinking "how cool - I finally get to see what it's like to bring home a brand new Joni Mitchell album -- everything else was released long before I knew much about her music..." Anyway, just listened to the 2 songs so far - I'll have to give the album several listens before I can form an opinion... Meanwhile, Chris Marshall - if you're reading this, I didn't know you took on a new job as a 2nd engineer for this album!?!?! ;-) I looked on the back of the booklet and there was your name! Angela "Apod" Gold NP: "This Place" ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:58:08 EDT From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Shine CD at Borders Books & Music for $9.99 Greetings everyone, If anyone has a free Border's Reward Card you probably got an e-mail with a coupon a couple of days ago that let you buy all single CD's at Border's for $9.99 on Sept. 24th and 25th, limit of 3. I got Shine, Herbie Hancock's River and a belated purchase of the tribute album from earlier this year. The regular price on these was $18.99 with the sale price being $14.99 so it was great to pay only $9.99 each. If you don't have a card you should get one as they send coupons for different discounts all the time. I'm so sorry I didn't get this info out to you sooner. I liked the packaging of Shine a lot and the picture of the earth on the CD looks cool. As with many a Joni album it takes a few listens to get into it for me sometimes. I think that is the case with this one. After just one listen in the car I'm not loving it but I'll give it some time. It's just wonderful to have something new from Joni. Haven't opened the others yet. Still lurking, Pearl in Hollywood, FL Proud new grandma of 4 month old Lilly Rachel, daughter of Marcy, named after the song. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:51:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: Shine while I havent a 'real' copy of Shine, I am enjoying the MP3 so much. I love the title song, and overall, I think it's a great CD. I shudder at the criticism but it's okay, I'll just have to thicken my skin and not take it so personally :PPPPP love to all, Mags, writing up a storm ;--) - --------------------------------- Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:55:19 -0700 From: "Cassy" Subject: Shine on i-Tunes I ordered my copies of Shine and River: The Joni Letters from Amazon at 12.99 each. So as I sit patiently waiting for my copies to arrive, I thought I'd check out what was available on i-Tunes and report from there (since I cannot contribute anything else to this thread yet. I logged into their "store" and didn't immediately see "Shine" I had to click to the second new releases screen to see it. Therefore, one has to be "looking" in order to have it come up. When clicked on, the purchase screen shows 10 tracks only at a price of $9.99 U.S. The interesting thing is that they have a "Top Songs" download showing Both Sides Now (Remastered LP version) Big Yellow Taxi River Help Me A Case of You Top Ringtones: Both Sides Now A Case of You The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines Big Yellow Taxi You Turn Me On I'm a Radio i-Tunes Joni Mitchell Essentials: "One of modern music's headstrong mavericks, Joni Mitchell first gained acclaim during the singer/songwriter boom of the early 70's. Albums such as 1970's "Ladies of the Canyon" and '71's "Blue" established her accessibility. "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Both Sides Now" became standards of the Woodstock era. Her restlessness, however, has prompted the Canadian thrush to continue exploring increasingly sophisticated musical forms." Their essential choices: Little Green Carey California River A Case of You Court & Spark Help Me Free Man in Paris Car on a Hill Down to You Raised on Robbery In France They Kiss On Main Street Both Sides Now (Remastered LP version) Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire You Turn Me On I'm a Radio Coyote Amelia Hejira Morning Morgantown Conversation Big Yellow Taxi Woodstock The Circle Game Cactus Tree Each available for .99 or $24.75 for all. I am envious of the ear candy I have to wait for. Herbie's CD is on the fourth screen :( Warmly, Cassy NP: Neil Young - Walking to New Orleans (from the Goin' Home a Tribute to Fats Domino CD) If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:15:29 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Lunch at Starbucks That's a drag to hear about turning the music off for cellphone use! My God, if anyone needs to use a cellphone that bad (which 95% there's no need, it seems it is out of boredom judging by the conversations I overhear) they will go outside if it is too loud inside. Nothing will stop some people from time with their precious cellphones. Anyway, I told my brother how I went to Starbucks for the first time in our city to listen to Joni. He couldn't believe I had never been there before. He told me he goes there 3-4x a week. He also told me that nobody listens to the music in there because nobody cares. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:14:50 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: RE: Lunch at Starbucks I just popped my head into our Starbucks where they were playing Van Morrison. Well, I guess they were featuring a *sixth degree of separation* event. Much better than cell phones at least. There were no customers at all so the staff was probably just playing whatever they wanted. I hurried to my destination across the street to Bull Moose Records and purchased my copy. Jody Jack wrote: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Lunch at Starbucks - --- Scott and Jody wrote: > I just popped my head into our Starbucks where they > were playing Van > Morrison. I popped into SB on the way to meet my daughter. They were playing the title song, but the volume wasn't up very high. They're selling a Diana Krall album - her picks. One of her picks is Joni's "Amelia." This CD may already have been mentioned here, but someone wasn't paying attention in class. I didn't buy it, because the price in USD was $14.99 and in CDN was $18 or 19.99. Considering our loony is now at, or close to par with the US buck, I felt it would be a rip off. If it had been a few months ago, of the price wasn't so blatantly inyerface, I might have thought differently and just bought the damn thing. I did not buy a coffee or anything else, and I already got my copy of "Shine" for $12.99. Another time, Starbucks! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:44:55 +0100 From: "Jeff Hankins" Subject: Re: When you get Shine Hi all When and where did I got it?? Ah, good people, tonight and in my nearest Borders (quick fone-call after work: ME You got it? THEY We got it! ME Keep it - I'll be there in half an hour. Took my 10 year old kid. Would have played it all way home but I'm a good dad & she wanted to hear Wicked - the Broadway performance. I could wait...just) Interestingly, the Borders has a Starbucks. Starbucks knew nothing about it, but I had a cup of Guatemala and we played Yahtzee till chucking-out time (9pm) Borders were selling the album for #10 and something - promotional price, 2 quid off. Happy day everyone. Like it a lot - she has a movingly intuitive touch in piano songs that more accomplished pianists often lack, I think (Am I right or am I right?) And I still think If rocks. Modestly, but delightfully. Jeff, Wales ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:13:51 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Joni in Starbucks (Kind of) Went to the first Starbucks, they weren't playing Joni, and I told them I'd heard they'd be playing Shine plus others from 11-2. The clerk shrugged and said if I wanted they could play Shine. Okay, I said. Gave the girl a tip for accommodating me. After a few minutes, Clair de Lune comes on (obviously the Artist's Choice CD). "This is it," she says. Uh, this is Clair de Lune written many years ago, i.e., Debussy won't be touring any time soon . but she was busy with other customers. The other clerk said, "Oh, I like this. It's relaxing (believing it was the new Joni . sigh) Left there and went to the next Starbucks where lo and behold Joni was playing. I told them of the problem at the other store and the manager said there's a download they should have looked at this morning. I sat and enjoyed the Joni til 1 when I figured I'd better do some other stuff. But no one's listening. People are coming in, getting their coffee, leaving, or sitting and chatting. And this store isn't particularly well known. I was waiting for either someone to say, "Wow, this is great music, who is this?" or to hear someone walk up to the counter and say, "Who is this? I hate this music, turn it off!" Well, for myself, I enjoyed it and am thankful Starbucks played so much great stuff from her catalog . although they never played one track from Shine. I figured I'd have it in my mailbox from Amazon when I got home, but no such luck. Hmmm. Kind of a mixed day. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:06:07 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Shine and Amazon While I happily broke down and bought a copy of Shine at Starbuck's early this morning, I also had one on pre-order with Amazon.? I just logged into my account at Amazon, and it isn't even shipping until tomorrow!? I cancelled the order and sent them a very unhappy email complaining about the situation. I guess I can strike Amazon off my list of places to purchase new releases.? Did anyone else who ordered through Amazon have a similar problem? Jack ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:09:34 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: wake up Starbucks! Hi Ya'll, I did some more Shine shopping this afternoon, and the two Starbucks I went into didn't even have it out. I asked for it in the first Starbucks, and the guy said the date for it to come out hasn't happened yet, and then he looked at the computer screen and said...oh no! it's today! So he thanked me for asking and brought it out immediately. He talked about Joni's ballet as he was unwrapping the CD display thingy, and when I asked how he knew about the ballet, he said they have a video the employees watch to educated them about the CD's they sell. He was a young guy, late teens or early twenties. Impressive. I asked him to play it overhead, and he said sure. When he turned it on, "Impossible Dreamer" started playing. It was nice to hear, but I had to wonder where was Shine? Maybe they have a Joni composite for playing overhead or something. The next Starbucks didn't have it out either so I asked where the hell is it? (More southern kindly though hell was on my mind.) First they said it was on the display carousel, but I knew it wasn't because I'd already looked. I said isn't it supposed to be out on the counter in it's own display? Then they said it hadn't come to them yet. I have to wonder if they just hadn't opened it in back. Whatever the Starbucks sales talleys are, things like might be happening in other Starbucks too and skew the numbers. Two out of three today didn't have it out. Best Buy here didn't have it except online. I did find it at another central Arkansas Walmart I visited. It was out in the normal Joni area of the contemporary music rack. They guy indicated it wasn't on the new release rack because they only had 3 copies. When I left they only had 2. I brought one to my sister-in-law who owns and art gallery. She put it on overhead right away. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:16:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: When & Where I swung by the Earshot (http://www.earshot.com/) and got what I wanted - but it was a bit of a challenge...Foo Fighters, right there up front with the new releases, OK pick up one of those...still perusing the new releases for Me'Shell, Nellie and Joni...nothing. I went to the racks on the left hand side of the store where the black music is looking for Me'Shell...not there either. OK, so it's on to the artist's separate bins, where I found Joni (they had a couple, not on sale and priced at $16.99), Me'Shell was in the "Rock" section (which is OK by me as I think she rocks) on sale for $13.99 and Nellie McKay on sale for $11.99, so I was happy. When I checked out I asked the guy if they had received any promotional stuff for Shine that I could have. They did not, but he did give me lots of other freebies (all NJC). Mrs. SCJoniguy just called me - she was on the road this AM going to Augusta, GA and said that NPR had a story about Shine and Starbucks. Bob NP: Joni, "Carnival In Kenora" (J-day rolls on, I may do this again tomorrow as I'm really enjoying it) PS: I think y'all are expecting a wee bit too much from a Starbucks coffee jockey in terms of knowledge. - --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Herbie's bonus tracks What Cassy didn't tell you about I-tunes is that in the case of Herbi's release they are also featuring "Harlem In Havana" & "I Had A King"...BUT they are "album only" meaning you have to download the whole album to get them. "A Case Of You" is available as a bonus track on the import version and "All I Want" (w/Sonya Kitchell) is available as a bonus track on the versions shipped by Amazon. A bit of a clusterf*ck if you ask me. Bob NP: Joni, "Michael From Mountains" - --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:38:13 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Joni, the Catholic Church and me, njc now, really Recently, I read that something about the fact that we are not alone at all, ever. She said the world is supplying your every need and asks for almost nothing. For example, she asked, when was the last time you had to put conscious attention into breathing? You can sleep every night without the slightest doubt that the *universe will breathe you* while you rest. Jim L'Hommedieu Anita said in part, >I don't really believe in a God - but, at the same time, I look to moments of synchronicity to hopefully point the way to there being something more. Maybe there's a Great Spirit or a Great Mystery, I tell myself. Then I come back to thinking it's my fear of Death and mortality that keep me desperately hoping that there is something more. I need a sense of purpose and meaning to my life.> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:44:34 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Clothes In a message dated 9/25/07 2:43:54 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: LCStanley7@aol.com > Subject: clothes > > I'm wearing a Joni t-shirt... one today and one tomorrow. Today's is black > and tomorrow is white for the darkness on the eve of Shine and then tomorrow > for Shine (A Kenny shirt). What an awesome thing for another Joni album to > be > released!!! > > Love, > Laura > Wow! I'm honored... to have someone wearing one of my shirts to commemorate the release of Shine. ;-) Kenny B ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:57:37 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: When & Where On Sep 25, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > > PS: I think y'all are expecting a wee bit too much from a > Starbucks coffee jockey in terms of knowledge. The Starbucks I go to always has their new music out and is pretty good about promoting it. In general though, Bob's right, you can't really blame the baristas too much for not knowing much about the whole Joni thing. I can't tell you how many times, when I worked at Whole Foods, I'd come in, there would be some new promotion or change, which of course no one had told me about, and I wouldn't know what was going on till I asked someone. On a completely different topic, I can't stand that Pepsi commercial where the people are yawning/singing and then some guy screams for them to wake up. For some reason, it really grates on my nerves. I don't even like Pepsi. Victor NP: Phillies vs. Braves (3-1 Braves bottom 4th) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:01:14 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Shine Well, the third Starbucks I hit did have it. There were ten or so in a little carrier all their own. I took the first one, glaring at the opening left and thought to myself that I should ask them to take out the drivel they were playing and play it, and pulled out my checkbook. The bespectacled guy looked at me and asked 'don't you want any coffee?' "No', I said. "I don't drink coffee. Well, would you like a roll (or something to that effect) instead?" I said 'no, I don't want anything else, I came in here strictly for this cd." He looked at me like I was from Mars. I didn't care as I paid and wheeled to leave, thinking to myself 'he doesn't get it.' I then thought of turning around and exhorting him to try it and try to 'get it.' I realized it was probably hopeless and lazily did not. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:33:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Shine Joni seems to be everywhere especially in the 24 little hours of Sept 25 in the US. Although I didn't have time to visit Starbucks along Franklin Street nor Borders. But I got a taste of Joni's Shine just the same in Offbeat Music -- a local and indie record store in Durham. The woman who is manning the place was playing Joni's "Shine" when me and a friend walked in. BYT was playing and a guy remarked to his friend in another aisle that that song is Joni and that she seems to be in pretty good voice at her age. A inward smile from me. Then "Night of the Iguana" came next -- which I like a lot after this first listen. Other albums in their "New Discs" corner include Me'shell Ndegeocello, Herbie's Joni Letters, Nellie McKay, Bembeya Jazz National . . . They all look purty nice altogether. Didn't buy "Shine" yet. Its time will come for me for sure. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: hum of the printer printing scads of papers in the library - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:01:10 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Herbie's bonus tracks Those two cuts are really worth having, however. My hard copy of Herbie shipped today from Amazon, but my Joni did not ship today. However, the Starbucks that was just built in Statesboro had Shine--lots of copies right at the register, so what the hell, I bought a copy this morning on my way to work. My partner Becky likes Joni, so I'll give it to her for her home office. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:33 PM To: JMDL Subject: Herbie's bonus tracks What Cassy didn't tell you about I-tunes is that in the case of Herbi's release they are also featuring "Harlem In Havana" & "I Had A King"...BUT they are "album only" meaning you have to download the whole album to get them. "A Case Of You" is available as a bonus track on the import version and "All I Want" (w/Sonya Kitchell) is available as a bonus track on the versions shipped by Amazon. A bit of a clusterf*ck if you ask me. Bob NP: Joni, "Michael From Mountains" - --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:07:54 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: when you get shine Picked mine up at Starbucks at about 9am this morning. CD's were at the front counter, front and center here at the Starbucks in Saco, ME. There was also a pad of notepaper that had a Q&A: "What album by Joni Mitchell will be playing in Starbuks today? A) Clouds B) Blue C) Shine D) For The Roses" with a photo of Joni screened in the lower right corner. (I'm typing this from memory - the sheet that I snagged is still in the car...) I played Shine all day in my cafe today, and talked it up with anyone who was interested. Reuben On 9/25/07, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/25/2007 9:55:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > dlmessling@rcn.com writes: > > >ON THE DAY. . . . > > > >thE SPeciAL dAY > > > >that you get SHINE, > > > >LOG in and tell us WHERE and EXACTLY WHEN you GET IT! > > > > > >oaky? > > > ------------------------------------------------ > 10:53 AM at Starbucks. I was originally going to drive to Borders > (which is right down the road from Starbucks) buy it there (since it is cheaper) > and head to Starbucks for the listening. But on a whim, I thought what does > it matter and just went to Starbucks. I bought that an iced tea and a > marshmallow square. My souvenir (besides the album of course!) is the blue thing > that says, "Joni Mitchell Shine." > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > - -- Reuben in PA healthy people don't self-destruct. - Cyndi Lauper ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:14:39 -0700 From: "William Elliott" Subject: The Anticlimactic Shine I love JM's work as much as anyone threaded to this list. I'm particularly partial to the post C&S period as well as to the Geffen years. NRH and TI are my favorites and represent, for me, the apex of her creative powers -- thus far -- as a musician and communicator. I was eagerly anticipating this date: the release of SHINE, and the thought of hearing new work by JM unleased in me a well of sentimentality; fond memories of buying a new JM release and rushing home to relentlessly listen to and digest each song. Each of those release-date-days was almost like a holiday. Well, for whatever reason, that's mostly all gone. I find SHINE, like TTT and TRAVELOGUE before it, to be disappointing. It's not that I find the text of the songs to be negative and sanctimonious, which so often seems to be the complaint of reviewers. In fact, I believe her take on the state of the world to be sadly spot-on (and the tragedy is that most people don't really seem to care). The problem is that her verbal eloquence has diminished...Perhaps I'm just another bitter, aging, unhappy misanthrope, but I miss the boat with SHINE. Musically and lyrically, it is, like TTT, half-baked; inconsistent in quality....love IGUANA, SHINE, IF but most everything else is a rephrased revisiting of past observations that were so much more articulately stated on, say, DOG EAT DOG. Still, I recognize the ultimate greatness of the artist and I'll keep listening in hope of a change of heart. -WElliott Sleep in cocoon like warmth with a new comforter. Click now!

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Victor NP: Atlanta vs. Phillies (8-5 Atlanta bottom 7th) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Shine Been so busy all day that I have been unable to get to a Starbucks to purchase my Shine. But, my son is stopping by the drive-thru at Starbucks for me right about now. I'm feeling the desperation now that I have time to think. The most beautiful times of my life are when I'm free from worries and hassles of the day and I come sit outside with the clouds and the stars to read, thinking of the pleasure I'm gonna have with Shine on this day of its release. And what a beautiful evening it is here in San Antonio, Texas because I'm gonna be able to listen to Joni all to myself, again and again, beneath this most unusually serene mantle of the moon. Oh, because of Joni, it feels like home for me once again. I so need this solitary refuge from all of life's fast lanes of living and with the moon shining right before eyes, I feel content, blessed and thankful. Truly, Jean I probably have about an hour's wait unless he decides to walk into Starbucks and then he'll stay there talking with the coffee girls wearing those black diamond earrings or turquoise ones or even those cubic zirconias from China. Oh, I hope Gibby goes drive thru to buy my Shine! - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:38:29 -0400 From: Susan Moss Subject: Shiny Happy People (R.E.M.) Hello, All - Long time, no postB - crazy life (surely a redundancy, eh?)... Since Starbucks is basically the reasonB this new JoniB disc saw the light of day (no pun intended), I figured Ibd stop at the one directly on my route home from work to buy Shine b I walked in, lookedB on all the countersb& and the music carousel... and didnbt see it. I asked the nice youngB barista, whoB looked puzzledb& and then apologetic b bwe definitely have the CD, but I just forgot to put it out!b. I politely but emphatically told the guy, bthis is a very big deal b itbs been ten years since JoniB recorded an album of all-new material. Starbucks all over the country were celebrating the occasion today between 11 a.m. and 2 p.m. - I canbt believe I am the first person asking for it, at 6:00 p.m. on the release date.b He pointed to a 7b x 9b poster confirming what I had just statedB b rather than treat me like an obsessive-compulsive fan, he seemed to understand. He called someone else to staff theB register while he went in search, coming back with one for me and a handful to display front and center, temporarily replacing something else b I then asked him what theybd be doing with the poster after today. He slipped it out of the frame and gave it to me b I grinnedb& broadlyb& As I was paying for the CD, as well as a venti Pumpkin Spice Latte (cinnamon freak that I am b yum!), I made sure to get eye contact with him, placed my hand over my heart and said, bthank you so muchb b he smiled backb& and Ibd like to think maybe hebll do a bit of PR the rest of the night/week/month on this most auspicious musical offering (or he could very well get lots of mileage talking about the old hippie chick Joni freak nutcase that came into his store earlier tonightb& :-) I listened to the first song, an instrumental, on my way home and just wept at the beautyb& of the notes and of her gift to us b itbs definitely Ms. Mitchellbs "voice", even without the wordsb& and I am so looking forward to hearing more... P.S. I'll go up to Best Buy later to get the new Herbie - he can wait... P.P.S.B I ran across the following poem yesterday, which seems to perfectly complement the new intentions on the new CD - "in order to be optimistic, you have to be irrational" indeed! Testimony by Rebecca Baggett (for my daughters) B I want to tell you that the world is still beautiful. I tell you that despite children raped on city streets, shot down in school rooms, despite the slow poisons seeping from old and hidden sins into our air, soil, water, despite the thinning film that encloses our aching world. Despite my own terror and despair. B I want you to know that spring is no small thing, that the tender grasses curling like a baby's fine hairs around your fingers are a recurring miracle. I want to tell you that the river rocks shine like God, that the crisp voices of the orange and gold October leaves are laughing at death, B I want to remind you to look beneath the grass, to note the fragile hieroglyphs of ant, snail, beetle. I want you to understand that you are no more and no less necessary than the brown recluse, the ruby- throated hummingbird, the humpback whale, the profligate mimosa. B I want to say, like Neruda, that I am waiting for "a great and common tenderness", that I still believe we are capable of attention, that anyone who notices the world must want to save it. Susan www.labyrinthcafe.com B "and we come by design by the workings of grace to the scene of the crime and we cut to the chase we come to this time entwined in this space Ibve been working through lifetimes to find..." ~ Nick Annis Susan www.labyrinthcafe.com B "and we come by design by the workings of grace to the scene of the crime and we cut to the chase we come to this time entwined in this space Ibve been working through lifetimes to find..." ~ Nick Annis Testimony by Rebecca Baggett (for my daughters) B I want to tell you that the world is still beautiful. I tell you that despite children raped on city streets, shot down in school rooms, despite the slow poisons seeping from old and hidden sins into our air, soil, water, despite the thinning film that encloses our aching world. Despite my own terror and despair. B I want you to know that spring is no small thing, that the tender grasses curling like a baby's fine hairs around your fingers are a recurring miracle. I want to tell you that the river rocks shine like God, that the crisp voices of the orange and gold October leaves are laughing at death, B I want to remind you to look beneath the grass, to note the fragile hieroglyphs of ant, snail, beetle. I want you to understand that you are no more and no less necessary than the brown recluse, the ruby- throated hummingbird, the humpback whale, the profligate mimosa. B I want to say, like Neruda, that I am waiting for "a great and common tenderness", that I still believe we are capable of attention, that anyone who notices the world must want to save it. Susan www.labyrinthcafe.com B "and we come by design by the workings of grace to the scene of the crime and we cut to the chase we come to this time entwined in this space Ibve been working through lifetimes to find..." ~ Nick Annis ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:52:27 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: joni's voice I'm still digesting the new record. I thought my husband's reaction was interesting, given that he's not particularly a fan, certainly not a fan at my level. When he heard the record, he said, "it sounds like she quit smoking." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #382 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------