From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #375 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 375 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: (VLJC) Long Blah Blah Blah...(NJC) [Michael Paz ] Christgau & Joni ["Richard Flynn" ] Exhibition of Joni's Art Work in New York City [gpkm6208@comcast.net] Re: rolling stone review ["Mark Scott" ] SV: SV: SV: rolling stone review ["Marion Leffler" ] Martha Wainwright's Wedding [NJC] ["Richard Goldman" ] Re: thanks for sharing this ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Exhibition of Joni's Art Work in New York City [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The Violet Ray Gallery, A Visionary Ray of Light [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: RE : NJC: thanks for sharing this [ajfashion@att.net] the mind vs mind and body thread (actual JM content) [ajfashion@att.net] Re: Martha Wainwright's Wedding [NJC] [ajfashion@att.net] Re: SV: rolling stone review [Motitan@aol.com] RE: Martha Wainwright's Wedding [NJC] ["Richard Flynn" ] Promo Video for Shine [Bob Muller ] Re: rolling stone review [Em ] RE: SV: rolling stone review ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: SV: rolling stone review [Catherine McKay ] Re: My Shine now Starbucks njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: four agreements [Catherine McKay ] She is Queen Undisputably of Mind and Beauty... and Sex! ["Mick Kelly" ] RE: SV: rolling stone review ["Jim Kauffman" ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?njc,_Herzlichen_Gl=FCckwunsch_zum_Geburtstag,_He rr_Muller!?= [Patti Parlette ] Re: from Blessings, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] Shine Released in Australia [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Shine Review [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: rolling stone review [Em ] A little pricey [Mark-Leon Thorne ] "Joni Mitchell Sells Out To Starbucks" [Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: (VLJC) Long Blah Blah Blah...(NJC) Sorry everyone I thought Kakki had written in since her accident. She was attending an event at a hotel and fell in the parking lot. There was one of those metal construction rods that had been sheared off in the surface of the parking lot but there just enough of a stub left that you could catch your shoe on it and of course trip and fall. She broke her arm (left) in two places and also hit her nose. She is hurting pretty bad. This happened before the party started and so she missed both her event and mine. I thought it would be so cool for Kakki to hang out with Kris Kristofferson and John Flynn. Maybe next year. Please sned healing thoughts to her and understand that she is only typing with one hand so she may not be to active for awhile. Best Paz (posting too much today) Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 22, 2007, at 12:05 AM, Kate Bennett wrote: > I am in the hospital waiting room waiting for Freda to come out of the OR after surgery. The doctor came out and says that she did great and it's all good.< What? ?Kakki was suppose to stand in for me and accept the award and of course could not because of her horrible accident. Sending healing beams her way today. What? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:59:04 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: SV: SV: rolling stone review http://www.robertchristgau.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:32 PM To: Marion Leffler; 'Deb Messling'; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: SV: SV: rolling stone review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > Oh wow, Catherine! I hope you didn't think I was > trivializing. I just feel > that a person who writes a review in that way is > really a very small human > being who has a lot to learn about life. He is not > worth the rush of > adrenalin it takes to get angry so I prefer to laugh > him off. > Marion Good heavens, no - not at all. I often find that kind of writing funny in a sick sort of way, but sometimes I just have to roll my eyes. Then to learn that the writer is older than Joni - well, I simply had to laugh at that. I thought he was some wiseass just out of journalism school, trying to show everyone how smart he was. Now I realize he's just a cynical old, well, curmudgeon! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:10:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Upcoming NPR Special I would have been happy to contribute, I'm just glad that some of my JMDL pals got a shot. I did write a Joni article this year for an Italian Music magazine called "MUZ" so I'm not complaining. Bob NP: Astrid Seriese, "River" - --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:22:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Christgau & Joni If you want to see the history of Christgau's reviews of Joni go here: http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_artist.php?id=704&name=Joni+Mitchell His extended review of FTR is here: http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/bk-aow/mitchell.php ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:15:25 +0000 From: gpkm6208@comcast.net Subject: Exhibition of Joni's Art Work in New York City Does anyone have any information as to what, if anything, is going on this coming week regarding some type of art/mixed media exhibition of Joni Mitchell's work in New York. I have some "sketchy" information that talks about "Violet Ray" and/or "OPENHOUSE" on Mullburry Street in the Village. I cannot, however, access any further info nor can I connect with the aforementioned gallery or studio. The information I have says that it begins on the 25th (to coincide with the release of her new CD) and is by invitation only on opening night but continues to the 4th or 5th of October. Any information would be very greatly appreciated. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:23:58 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: rolling stone review That's a review??? Mark in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Messling" To: Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 4:29 AM Subject: rolling stone review > For what it's worth, Robert Christgau's review of Shine is posted in > the jmdl library. 3 out of 5 stars. > http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1678 > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:31:55 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: SV: rolling stone review And the "Dean of Rock" at that! So what came over him? Not that I care to know. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Richard Flynn Skickat: den 22 september 2007 18:59 Till: 'Catherine McKay'; 'Marion Leffler'; 'Deb Messling'; joni@smoe.org Dmne: RE: SV: SV: rolling stone review http://www.robertchristgau.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:32 PM To: Marion Leffler; 'Deb Messling'; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: SV: SV: rolling stone review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > Oh wow, Catherine! I hope you didn't think I was > trivializing. I just feel > that a person who writes a review in that way is > really a very small human > being who has a lot to learn about life. He is not > worth the rush of > adrenalin it takes to get angry so I prefer to laugh > him off. > Marion Good heavens, no - not at all. I often find that kind of writing funny in a sick sort of way, but sometimes I just have to roll my eyes. Then to learn that the writer is older than Joni - well, I simply had to laugh at that. I thought he was some wiseass just out of journalism school, trying to show everyone how smart he was. Now I realize he's just a cynical old, well, curmudgeon! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:43:15 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: My Shine now Starbucks njc - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > --- Danilo Monno wrote: > > >> No, we don't have Starbucks here yet. [...] But, >> see, we like real coffee!!!! >> Ok, we also like real food, still there are a lot of >> McDonald's... > > That was beautiful! ;-) The funny thing is, when I first moved to Seattle and had no experience of anything but Folgers and the like, Starbucks *was* my discovery of 'real' coffee. Of course in those days (1978) there was 1 Starbucks store in the Pike Place Market. That was the only one in existence as far as I know. There was no global corporate giant named Starbucks. The place was what you might have called quaint and had a wonderful smell whenever you walked into it. That was also before they were making things like triple venti low-fat egg-nogg lattes and the like. If I remember correctly, you mostly went to Starbucks to buy coffee beans or grounds. They did serve brewed coffee and maybe some espresso drinks. But nothing like the menu they have today. I wonder, is there a truly 'green' record label? Or coffee distributor? Are there any mass distributed consumer goods that don't involve exploiting somebody or group of somebodies along the way? Cynically, I also wonder if there is such a thing as an 'honest' politician in the US anymore. Do any of the people in the US congress truly care about their constituency, aside from the small percentage who own most of the wealth and pull the strings? I'm not trying to defend Starbucks or my own lazy lack of politically correct consumer habits. Just wondering aloud, so to speak. Or write, I suppose. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:43:07 -0700 From: "Richard Goldman" Subject: Martha Wainwright's Wedding [NJC] From legendary producer Joe Boyd . Boyd had just attended Canadian singer Martha Wainwright'swedding. Now if only most "society columns" in newspapers read like this. (Heck, if only most weddings were like this!) Married in Montreal last month... "The bride was gorgeous, Brad Albetta (the groom)'s father astounded all the folkies with his impeccable crooning, Teddy Thompson and Jenni Muldaur delivered a joyous *Viva Las Vegas*. Rufus sang the Gounod/Bach version of *Ave Maria*, Linda Thompson harmonized with her offspring on *Dimming of the Day*. Kate McGarrigle hovered over everything like the angel she is, the weather was beautiful and a good time was had by all." ~Richard in San Francisco n.p. - Get Happy - Rufus Sings Judy Garland (to be released Oct. 1) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:47:10 +0100 From: clive sax Subject: four agreements Hi Bob and all, I think probably reading the four agreements in context gives it more relevance. The book is worth a read and as much as I understand where Bob is coming from, I think the idea is to sort out the dross from what is really valuable and meaningful in human connection. If we were able to still the defensive mind we would maybe find that there was more space for real connection. It seems we spend so much of our relatively short time on this planet being offended and taking issue with others rather than really connecting with them. Maybe reading the book would clear this one up. It is a good read! I often extend myself for others, but the bottom line is that all I do is really about me and that's ok too, the joy is in recognising that fact and knowing that it is true for others too. If I take issue with what another has done or said and react I am only doing it to protect myself, my ego, my sense of self, so as i see it it is really about me. An example of this is that in my work (neighbourhood mediation) I spend a lot of time with people that have deep seated prejudices about all kinds of things, namely race and sexuality. As a gay man I have numerous opportunities to be offended when some guy you could class as a red neck spits out bitter vile about his neighbour. Usually it's about queers this faggots that and then the bloody niggers etc. Many of the mediators refuse to work with people that take that stance. Understanding that the hatred is really masking fear allows me to sit with the guy and not flinch. Even though he is judging an aspect of who I am. Being able to sit with it comes from not taking it personally. The same goes for if people praise you. Again it is about them. About needing approval or wanting to get closer or simply wanting you to know that they are good guys too. It is a bit of a mind fuck admittedly and it is not easy, but it does have it's rewards. I for one, feel more serene, connected, at peace and somehow more compassionate and loving. All good stuff methinks. So in my experience the Four agreements add to who we are rather than subtract. Nothing is lost that is worth holding onto. A bit like a spring clean, just getting rid of the dust and dirt and clearing out the crap. Clive _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:47:52 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: thanks for sharing this And a bon weekend to you, Oddmund! You wrote some very wise words in your post. I am one who needs to try and remember them. Thank you! Mark E. in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" > > Well, bon weekend ! > and love to ye' all! > > Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:42:58 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Exhibition of Joni's Art Work in New York City I had posted it...but here goes.. Installed by the Violet Ray Gallery 201 Mulberry St in the Village Can be viewed... September 26-Oct 6th hours for the art space at Openhouse is 11:00am to 7:00 PM CLOSED Mondays The opening on the 25th is by invitation only...list has been sent out already and closed rosie in nj ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:48:10 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: The Violet Ray Gallery, A Visionary Ray of Light _http://www.violetraygallery.com/_ (http://www.violetraygallery.com/) A VISIONARY RAY OF LIGHT Celebrated Artist/Singer Joni Mitchell exhibits powerful Mixed Media Originals curated by Violet Ray Gallery in Nolitabs newest green space, Openhouse. 201 Mulberry St. Violet Ray Gallery in New York City is proud to curate one facet of Joni Mitchellbs three brilliant new artistic endeavors. Singer/songwriter and artist Joni Mitchell, a timeless forerunner of social and spiritual commentary, has completed a body of work for exhibition dealing with the consequences of war and the prevailing human condition. Cutting through ever-present media propaganda, Mitchellbs new photographic exposition b Green Flag Songb is a poetic discourse of humanitybs struggle with itself. Referencing popular media, Mitchell filters through conventional imagery, unveiling her personal vision and offering a precious visual tool for communicating the nightmarish realities of the world we live in. In the hopes of fostering a collective human awareness, this body of work narrates the historical and current strife born from aggression and fear and the consequential repetitive demise that ensues. The power of the work expresses the need for a change of consciousness. Mitchell has also recently completed what she considers to be bas serious a work as Ibve ever doneb referring to Shine, her new album released by Hear Music, the new label formed by Starbucks Entertainment and Concord Music Group. Most of the lyrical content reflects Mitchellbs social and theological consciousness and her longtime plea for the health of the planet. A true Renaissance artist in every sense of the word, Mitchell also debuted a ballet bThe Fiddle and the Drumb with the Alberta Ballet in Calgary earlier this year. The ballet was based on Mitchellbs music and she served as co-creator and artistic director. All three bodies of work support Mitchellbs extraordinary ability as an artist. Green Flag Song is being curated by Violet Ray Gallery at OPENHOUSE located at 201 Mulberry Street. OPENHOUSE is a socially and environmentally responsible venue whose goal is to promote sustainability through direct action or support environmental awareness by charitable contribution. OPENHOUSE allocates five percent of exhibition revenue to an environmentally conscious or socially responsible organization of the clientbs choice. Violet Ray Gallery specializes in pairing an artistbs work with the most appropriate spatial location, temporarily creating a dramatic backdrop on which the artistbs work can be most successfully presented. The goal is to achieve a potent manifestation of the artistbs vision through a precise setting and space. Exhibition Dates: September 26th to October 6th. 11 a.m. to 7 p.m. - or by Appointment Closed Monday ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:58:48 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: RE : NJC: thanks for sharing this - -------------- Original message from Joseph Palis : -------------- > Hi Oddmund, > > Thanks for making me remember the late Nicolette Larson. And yes she did a very > good version of "Lotta Love" which I first heard from Neil Young back when I was > younger in he Philippines. > ________________________________________________________________ Joseph, Were you at Clark AFB? Sound like you were there in the late 70s if that Larson song was popular. I lived there 1970 through 1971. If so, have you been the to Wagner high school website (I think it's www.whoa.org --in not, google WHOA. Wouldn't it be funny if we'd gone to middle or high school together? Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:13:49 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: the mind vs mind and body thread (actual JM content) Like many off-topic subjects on lists or in newsgroups, this one's gotten way out of hand, and I apologize to the group for my part in that. I ordered Shine and the Hancock CDs from Barnes and Noble (and no, I'm not proud, since I believe in and support independent book and music sellers) and it looks like, from their email updates on my order, that they may be sending that order out so it gets here on Tuesday. I mean, if they can do it for Harry Potter, they can do it for Joni Mitchell. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:17:08 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright's Wedding [NJC] - -------------- Original message from "Richard Goldman" : -------------- > Teddy Thompson and Jenni Muldaur > delivered a joyous *Viva Las Vegas*. The new Teddy Thompson CD is my Shine order--I heard parts of it on NPR. Anybody here have it? Like it? - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:27:01 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review That is the worst review I have ever read in my life. I would have rather had RS trash the album and state specifically why they did so than to have to accept that as a review. It's funny that the review doesn't even talk about the music at all when you're supposed to be critiquing an album, full of lyrics AND music. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:26:35 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Martha Wainwright's Wedding [NJC] I have it and I love it. He has a great voice. (I like him covering classic country better than I like his own songs.) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of ajfashion@att.net Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:17 PM To: Richard Goldman; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Martha Wainwright's Wedding [NJC] - -------------- Original message from "Richard Goldman" : -------------- > Teddy Thompson and Jenni Muldaur > delivered a joyous *Viva Las Vegas*. The new Teddy Thompson CD is my Shine order--I heard parts of it on NPR. Anybody here have it? Like it? - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:31:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review It's not really an appropriate review for a recording artist of Joni's level, any way you look at it. Rolling Stone always features a couple of different categories of album reviews, one highlighted in depth, quite a few that get a detailed write-up and then others that get the smarmy one-liner treatment that Christgau gives Shine. It deserves a lot better than that, it's a wonderful album. And Joni deserves better than that, but RS has a somewhat spotty history with her anyway. RS is much more interested in attracting the 16-28 year-old crowd, not a lot of which are going to be into Joni (Monika, you get to take a bow for being a rare exception), so in the long run the review is unimportant anyway. Bob NP: Porcupine Tree, "Way Out Of Here" - --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Promo Video for Shine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGa4spIe1-E Over 7 minutes long, LOTS of music Go there now. Bob - --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:41:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: rolling stone review A quick *spew*, I'd say. And snippy, too! So how'd it even rate 3 stars?? I don't get it. Em - --- Mark Scott wrote: > That's a review??? > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:48:49 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: SV: rolling stone review Let me add that as good as Christgau was in the olden days, he's kind of a caricature of his former self these days. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 3:32 PM To: Motitan@aol.com; marionleffler@telia.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review It's not really an appropriate review for a recording artist of Joni's level, any way you look at it. Rolling Stone always features a couple of different categories of album reviews, one highlighted in depth, quite a few that get a detailed write-up and then others that get the smarmy one-liner treatment that Christgau gives Shine. It deserves a lot better than that, it's a wonderful album. And Joni deserves better than that, but RS has a somewhat spotty history with her anyway. RS is much more interested in attracting the 16-28 year-old crowd, not a lot of which are going to be into Joni (Monika, you get to take a bow for being a rare exception), so in the long run the review is unimportant anyway. Bob NP: Porcupine Tree, "Way Out Of Here" - --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:50:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review - --- Bob Muller wrote: > in the long run the review is > unimportant anyway. If you were famous and had produced something artistic, would you read the reviews? I don't think I'd want to, but I know I'd do it anyway. I wouldn't be able to resist. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My Shine now Starbucks njc - --- Mark Scott wrote: > The funny thing is, when I first moved to Seattle > and had no > experience of anything but Folgers and the like, > Starbucks *was* my > discovery of 'real' coffee. > > Of course in those days (1978) there was 1 Starbucks > store in the Pike > Place Market. That was the only one in existence as > far as I know. > There was no global corporate giant named Starbucks. > The place was > what you might have called quaint and had a > wonderful smell whenever > you walked into it. > > That was also before they were making things like > triple venti low-fat > egg-nogg lattes and the like. If I remember > correctly, you mostly > went to Starbucks to buy coffee beans or grounds. > They did serve > brewed coffee and maybe some espresso drinks. But > nothing like the > menu they have today. I don't mind Starbucks coffee. I've had it now and then. Generally I don't buy it because it's more expensive than most of the other coffee places and their snooty names for things just drives me nuts. I like coffee. With milk. That's it. Oh yes, I do love espresso and cappuccino too, but not with all the other fancy stuff they put on and in it. The flavoured coffees and the iced coffees full of fake liqueur flavours and sugar and cream are what get me. A lot of people, mostly women I'll admit, buy those without realizing they probably contain a zillion calories and enough cholesterol to clog your arteries up but good. We sometimes have the coffee argument at work. One can drink nothing but Starbucks, one will only drink Tim Horton's, and so on. I can't even drink more than one coffee anymore without my stomach protesting, so I think it's going to be tea for me (and not that fancy stuff either. Just tea. With a bit of milk.) > I wonder, is there a truly 'green' record label? Or > coffee > distributor? Are there any mass distributed > consumer goods that don't > involve exploiting somebody or group of somebodies > along the way? > > Cynically, I also wonder if there is such a thing as > an 'honest' > politician in the US anymore. Do any of the people > in the US congress > truly care about their constituency, aside from the > small percentage > who own most of the wealth and pull the strings? > Yeah, I don't trust anyone either, and have my doubts about companies that claim to be "green", but you do what you can. And I'm with you on the politicians as well. It's the same thing here in Canada. A lot of them don't give a damn about their constituents or anything but seeing their own name in the paper and reaping whatever money and glory they can from their position. Catherine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:15:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: four agreements - --- clive sax wrote: > Hi Bob and all, > > I think probably reading the four agreements in > context gives it more > relevance. The book is worth a read and as much as I > understand where Bob is > coming from, I think the idea is to sort out the > dross from what is really > valuable and meaningful in human connection. If we > were able to still the > defensive mind we would maybe find that there was > more space for real > connection. It seems we spend so much of our > relatively short time on this > planet being offended and taking issue with others > rather than really > connecting with them. That's so true. So often we completely misunderstand each other and read things into what is said, or not said, that simply aren't there. No wonder there are wars, and it's amazing we've managed to survive as a species. We're so quick to take offense rather than to ask for clarification. I was listening to the song "Shine" and paying attention to the lyrics which, on one hand, could sound very trite and commonplace, but I think Joni has put some thought into them and her voice sounds very sincere and from the heart in this song in particular. She has tied together some images from previous songs. In Shine, she says, "Shine on good earth, good air, good water." In Ethiopia, she says, "On and on the basic needs are defiled/ Good air good water good earth." In Shine, she says, "Shine on a hopeful girl In a dreamy dress." In "Song for Sharon", she talks about "the pretty lady in the white lace wedding gown" and "white lace I was chasing". In Hejira (the song), she mentions "snow [that] gathers like bolts of lace Waltzing on a ballroom girl" and sometimes in live performances it's "a bridal girl." These are just a few things I noticed. I'm sure there are more. And she talks about Big World Concerns, like "rising oceans and evaporating seas", "Frankenstein technologies", "science/ With its tunnel vision," and "fertile farmland/ Buried under subdivisions". But she also talks about the petty things that we all bitch about: Shine on another asshole Passing on the right! Shine on the red light runners Busy talking on their cell phones. I think it's her prayer for all the big and little things in life that drag us down and her wish to calm herself down and not let it get to her, and I find humour in it right alongside the seriousness. The last verse brings it all together as she prays for the good and the bad, the weak and the strong, and it ends on a positive note, I think, although I wonder who "Those seekers of mental health/ Craving simplicity [who] traveled inward/ Past themselves" are? Shine on good humor Shine on good will Shine on lousy leadership Licensed to kill Shine on dying soldiers In patriotic pain Shine on mass destruction In some God's name! Shine on the pioneers Those seekers of mental health Craving simplicity They traveled inward Past themselves... May all their little lights shine Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:07:07 +0100 From: "Mick Kelly" Subject: She is Queen Undisputably of Mind and Beauty... and Sex! Eagles - just listen to the way she goes 'Oooh - Night of Iguana...' and then then tell me you didn't just cum in your serpent pants! Joni - how do I count the ways?! - -- Friends against HIV in Northern Thailand www.rejoicethailand.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:34:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Exhibition of Joni's Art Work in New York City I'll be there on Wednesday 9/26 If anyone is interested in meeting up, write me offlist Brian in south jersey - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > I had posted it...but here goes.. > Installed by the Violet Ray Gallery > 201 Mulberry St in the Village > Can be viewed... > September 26-Oct 6th > hours for the art space at Openhouse is 11:00am to 7:00 PM CLOSED > Mondays > The opening on the 25th is by invitation only...list has been sent > out > already and closed > > rosie in nj - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:42:35 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: SV: rolling stone review, and the Guardian one, too Marion wrote: Oh wow, Catherine! I hope you didn't think I was trivializing. I just feel that a person who writes a review in that way is really a very small human being who has a lot to learn about life. He is not worth the rush of adrenalin it takes to get angry so I prefer to laugh him off. And Catherine: Yuk. I detest that kind of writing. Let's show everyone how smart and hip we are and let's use lots of big words and clever phrases. That kind of writing is about the writer, and not about what they're supposed to be criticizing. It's one thing to review something and not like it for reasons which the writer should articulate clearly in a way that is neither a personal attack on the one being criticized nor a "look-at-me! ain't I clever?" exercise. It's quite another to be a smart-ass about it. I think it just points to the cynicism that's so rampant today. It is just SO uncool to write from the heart - it's all about demonstrating one's IQ. There's nothing in that review that suggests to me that the writer knows anything about music, since it seems to be all about attacking Joni personally for using a trite phrase or for not practicing what she preaches. Maybe it's just me and I'm not reading it the right way. I don't mind or care at all if someone doesn't like the work, as long as they stick to the work itself. ***** "It is SO uncool to write from the heart"? NOW you tell me! Yeah, these two reviewers: "Kiss my ass, I said." "Grow up, I cried." Get over yourselves. They just don't get it. Gotta feel sorry for people like that. They need a little heart and humor and humility to lighten up their heavy load. Although as Bob said, at least the Guardian critic got it in the end. (And didn't s/he use the word "intoxicating"? What'd I tell you the other day when I almost hit a tree when Shine came on! I was DWI!) "Ultimately, that's a minor quibble in the face of a strange, intoxicating and unsettling album, idiosyncratic enough to make you glad Joni Mitchell put her retirement on hold. Shine is an album worth spoiling the greatest flounce-out in rock history for." Birthday Boy Bob wrote: "That's not much of a review. They guy LOVES the record but takes cheap shot after cheap shot. Sort of ironic to use such smugness in his accustion of others' smugness. And he reserves all of the praise for the VERY LAST sentence." If you can bear to hear The truth you've spoken Twisted and misconstrued By some smug fool Or watch your life''s work Torn apart and broken down And still stoop to build again With worn out tools. Joni. She's got the fight. She's got the insight. Nobody messes with my Joni. I'm puttin' up my Patti dukes. I say: Leave the girl alone, motherf@#kers, she's looking like a mooooOOOOOooovie queen! Yeah, both of these critics make me think of basketball games....the nasty guys who don't have the finesse and the skills needed to play the pure game, so they take cheap shot after cheap shot. They're trash-talking all game, when in the end, all that really matters is the final score, when the star shooter points to the scoreboard. Ha. See the score? We know the score. Joni shoots, she scores! She rings sweet as victory. (I know Catherine was going to bring sports into it, but I beat her to the punch drunk.) Eternal Defender of the Holy Joni Empire, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:41:11 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Rolling Stone Review It's interesting to me how Robert's reviews - all the one's he handed in for the current RS issue with the fall new release focus - don't say much of anything, Shine included. Faced with that daunting task of reviewing Shine for my own press outlet, the Boston Herald, I'm having a tough time articulating my thoughts - giving the disc it's due fair shake, but being clear about it's flaws. But it'll definitely say more in 125 words than RC's did in it's (slightly) more generous length. His review of Meshell's new one was laughable as well. To have it included in a supposed focus-trio of r&b divas is ridiculous. More than ever before this new set makes it obvious her career transcends musical categorization. It ain't r&b, Robert - that much is definite. On the other hand 'off the hip' isn't really fair either. While I clearly think Robert's writing (and opinion) is overrated, I have to put forth the following - especially since as a music critic in one of the country's most fruitful markets I receive a fair bit of hate mail - Critics work really, really hard. They don't get paid a lot of dough. And they take their jobs very VERY seriously. Not so much self-seriously, as many of you probably think. But seriously in terms of being fair while maintaining a level of truthfulness that allows us to sleep at night. It's a tight-rope walk, there's nothing easy or 'off the cuff' about it. Unless you were to enter the field as a musically impassioned freelancer, with the writing as your only source of income, you can't possibly understand. Being a journalist who finds their way to doing the music beat is very different than being a music lover who makes their way into journalism. It's the latter crew that actually gives a shit, but that only makes the work harder. Had to throw in my two cents before you all go off.I'm sure there will be some scathing criticism of Shine, so buckle up. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:02:30 -0400 From: "Jim Kauffman" Subject: RE: SV: rolling stone review > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Bob Muller > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 3:32 PM > To: Motitan@aol.com; marionleffler@telia.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review > > ...RS has a somewhat spotty history with her anyway. Like the Hatfields and McCoys had a spotty history. Wenner and Joni have been snarling at each other for decades now. Jim K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:13:27 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?njc,_Herzlichen_Gl=FCckwunsch_zum_Geburtstag,_He rr_Muller!?= Jawohl, Herzlichen Gl|ckwunsch zum Geburtstag, Musik Meister Muller! I was not prepared for your birthday, so this may be lame, but just let me say: Danke schon, darling danke schon for all that you do here. The covers, the scoops, the laughs, and you know.... I'm thinking back to August 14th when I wrote to Herr Bob Muller, Sr., on *his* Geburtstag and he wrote back the sweetest, most grateful email. I wanted to share it at the time but knew I needed his permission (and yours) first, and then I got lost in the work-a-day world and never got around to it. Ma faute, ma faute, my most grievous fault. Let me just say that his love for you rang through clear blue and true, and I remember wiping away a tear or two at my desk. He also had very kind words for the "caring people" who love Joni Mitchell. (Hey, that's us!) So here's to you May your dreams come true May old father time Never be unkind And through the years Save your smiles and your tears They're just souvenirs They'll make music in your heart Remember this Each new day is a kiss Sent from up above With an angel's love So here's to you May your skies be blue And your love blessed That's my best to you Love, Patti P., who really should send you a moldie oldie instead! Oh wait, let me find one.... P.S. Congratulations to all our European friends who got Shine early. I want to get up and jive for you! (Margo Sylvia/Gil Lopez) Happy, happy, birthday baby Although you're with somebody new Thought I'd drop a line to say That I wish this happy day Would find me beside you. Happy, happy, birthday baby No, I can't call you my baby Seems like years ago we met On a day I can't forget. 'Cause that's when we fell in love Do you remember the names we had for each other You were my pretty, I was your baby How could we say goodbye? Hope I didn't spoil your birthday I know I'm acting kinda crazy So I'll close this note to you With good luck and wishes too. Happy, happy birthday baby Do you remember the names we had for each other You were my pretty..I was your baby How could we say goodbye? Hope I didn't spoil your birthday I know I'm acting kinda crazy So, I'll close this note to you With good luck and wishes too. Happy, happy, birthday baybeeeeeeee! _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:56:39 -0400 From: "Jim Kauffman" Subject: RE: SV: SV: rolling stone review > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On > Behalf Of Catherine McKay > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:32 PM > To: Marion Leffler; 'Deb Messling'; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: SV: SV: rolling stone review > > Good heavens, no - not at all. I often find that kind of > writing funny in a sick sort of way, but sometimes I just > have to roll my eyes. Then to learn that the writer is older > than Joni - well, I simply had to laugh at that. I thought he > was some wiseass just out of journalism school, trying to > show everyone how smart he was. Now I realize he's just a > cynical old, well, curmudgeon! Of course he is--he's Bob Christgau! He's been a cynical old curmudgeon longer than some of you list members have been on the planet. Thoroughly irritating to read, but he's actually a very nice guy in person. Nice wife, too. Let's see, on the old Christgau Consumer's Guide scale, 3 out of 5 would have been a C+. Poor Joni. Better luck next time. ;-) Jim K. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:08:54 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: from Blessings, njc A child who came out to wonder wrote: > I find intereting the concept of "overly pious." > > kind of funny. . . that someone would say that. > > > > I Love you guys .. . > > let's share quotes from the bible (or things like that) that are inspiring > (not that I am religious or anything). . but I like to be inspired. . (and > also, I have asked for poems and nobody sent them. . so now I will try to > ask for bible quotes or spritual messages.) > Hi New Dreams Dreamer, Cart wheels have turned to car wheels thru the town for my oldest son this week. He is free! His best friend JD came down, he lives 3 hours away now, and they took off in the car around noon and said they wouldn't be back until around 10:30pm... with friends to spend the night. So, we are naming our house The Cactus Tree Motel. They asked if girls could come too, and I said yes with specific restrictions... trying to not be overly pious. Overly pious is the same vein as religously scrupulous. Overly pious in the Catholic church is when members think they are more Catholic than the Pope. I've met these kinds before in these parts. But, just read the bible, and you'll know it ain't what makes people holy. Most holy bible people in scriptures were incredibly unscrupulous. And the ones who were scrupulous (Scribes and Pharisees), were chastised by Jesus. I'm doing a bible timeline study thing with some friends and came across this interesting verse: "Melchizedek, king of Salem, brought out bread and wine, and being a priest of God Most High, he blessed Abram..." (Genesis 14:18) Three cool things about this clip inspire me: Melchizedek is thought to be Shem who was Noah's son who is in the direct line of Jesus' ancestry... so Jesus is related to Melchizedek. Salem is later called Jerusalem which is also where Jesus hung out. Melchizedek, the high priest, brought bread and wine similar to what Jesus, the high priest, used at the eternal last supper. The circle game going 'round and 'round over the millennia. Here's another verse from the bible: "Like a drop of sea water, like a grain of sand, so are these few years among the days of eternity." (Sirach 18:8) Love, Tearful (at the falling of a star) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:22:06 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Shine Released in Australia Shine is available at Sanity Music stores and online as of yesterday (Saturday, 22 September) for $22.99. Here is the link: http://www.sanity.com.au/product/product.asp? sku=2099861 Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:33:35 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Shine Review Shine reviewed on Undercover.com.au Joni Mitchell Signs To Starbucks' Hear Music Label by Daniel Zugna - July 26 2007 Joni Mitchell will release her new album through Starbucks' Hear Music label. Mitchell joins Paul McCartney on the roster, whose 'Memory Almost Full' album debuted at number three on the US Billboard Chart in June. The folk-jazz icon will release her new album 'Shine' on September 25, the follow-up to 2002's 'Travelogue'. The release of 'Travelogue' coincided with Mitchell's public grievances with the music industry and the power it had over her. She said at the time that she would look for new avenues in which to release her music. And in March of this year, she told Britain's 'Guardian' newspaper of her disdain for the "pornographic pigs" at the upper echelons of the post-millennial music industry, those who only care about "golf and rappers". "A real artist is going to like a little bit of this and a little bit of that, and it's going to take an entire life to assimilate them into something new," she continued. "It's not going to happen when you're young, and this is a youth-driven market. It's like painting: everybody knows, or they used to, that it takes a long time to distil all this. You don't become a master until you're in your 50s and 60s." But it looks like Starbucks have a way to go in developing their flowery PR guff, with Starbucks Entertainment president Ken Lombard telling Billboard, "This is true Joni  it is almost the return of her as a storyteller." Almost? We can expect at least one more big-name Hear Music signing by the end of the year. http://www.undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=2504 Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: rolling stone review Been trying to figure out more specifically what bugged me about this review. Chrstgau says this: "she rails against environmental ills with the privileged pique of someone who considers the world's failure to resemble the one she grew up in a cosmic affront." In what way would the "pique" of "someone who considers the world's failure to resemble the one she grew up in" neccesarily be "privileged"? Does he mean because Joni's childhood didn't abjectly SUCK (as that of a starving child in some other part of the world might)? (altho certainly parts of Joni's [childhood] did suck) Or am I misunderstanding what he meant in that sentence? Why is it so WRONG to bitch about, or question, or ponder the mind boggling, face flapping rate of change/acceleration (all kinds of change) the human race is having to endure? Like the zig-zag driving...what? we're supposed to like it??? Em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:40:29 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: A little pricey Shine is available at CDOnline for $28.99. It's release dat is listed as Friday, 21 September. The label is listed as Concord Music. Here's the link: http://www.cdonline.com.au/? event=search.viewProduct&cataloguenumber=7230457_1§ion=music Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:52:08 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: "Joni Mitchell Sells Out To Starbucks" From the Perth newspaper, The West Australian; Joni Mitchell sells out to Starbucks 25th July 2007, 15:36 WST Joni Mitchell is following the lead of Paul McCartney in joining with the coffee giant Starbucks to release her comeback album. Hear Music, a record label formed in partnership with Starbucks and the Concord Music Group, said Mitchell is its second signing. Shine, her first album of new compositions since 1998, will be released on September 25. McCartney's album Memory Almost Full came out last month and was played relentlessly at Starbucks franchises, where listeners could purchase it with their coffee. The disc has sold 447,000 copies, 45 per cent of them in Starbucks stores, the company said. The new venture has attracted interest from veteran artists both because the music business is collapsing around them, and their fans are much more likely to be spending time in Starbucks these days than in music stores. Mitchell worked with Hear Music two years ago as it released a disc of favourite Mitchell songs selected by various artists. She had essentially retired from making music and said this project was one of the things that rekindled her interest, said Ken Lombard, president of Starbucks Entertainment. Mitchell wrote nine of the 10 songs on Shine, the exception being an adaptation of the Rudyard Kipling poem "If." She described it as "as serious a work as I've ever done" with some dark lyrics. Earlier this year, Mitchell was co-director of The Fiddle and the Drum, a ballet based on her music that debuted in Canada. She is also planning an exhibit of her paintings in New York this autumn. Hear Music expects to sign one more artist this year and eight in 2008, and is looking for a mixture of new and established artists, Lombard said. One role model for a veteran artist adapting to rapidly changing times, Prince, recently gave away thousands of copies of his CD through a newspaper in England. Lombard said not to expect a Mitchell album offered for free to customers who buy a frozen latte. AP http://www.thewest.com.au/printfriendly.aspx?StoryName=403175 Mark on the East Coast ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #375 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------