From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #374 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, September 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 374 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The four agreements (NJC) [clive sax ] Re: My Shine [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: My Shine [Danilo Monno ] Re: "Shine" promotion / Joni TV spots TBA [Deb Messling ] Re: My Shine [Victor Johnson ] rolling stone review [Deb Messling ] Re: Upcoming NPR Special NJC [Bob Muller ] Guardian review of Shine ["Joe Jones" ] RE: My Shine [Catherine McKay ] Re: Guardian review of Shine [Catherine McKay ] NJC: thanks for sharing this ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] RE: My Shine [Danilo Monno ] from Blessings ["Marianne Rizzo" ] SV: rolling stone review ["Marion Leffler" ] SV: My Shine ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: NJC: thanks for sharing this [Bob Muller ] Re: NJC: thanks for sharing this [Victor Johnson ] Re: SV: rolling stone review [Catherine McKay ] It's coming on Christmas... [Bob Muller ] SV: SV: rolling stone review ["Marion Leffler" ] "Shine" promotion / Joni TV spots TBA [Patti Parlette ] Leave Monika alone!, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] News (VLJC) Long Blah Blah Blah... [Patti Parlette ] Re: New Joni on the radio [PassScribe@aol.com] NJC: Good point ! ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: SV: SV: rolling stone review [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC The mind....(long) [Michael Paz ] Re: Upcoming NPR Special [Michael Paz ] RE : NJC: thanks for sharing this [Joseph Palis ] I'm Shining!!! ["Jonathan Lowe" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:49:20 +0100 From: clive sax Subject: The four agreements (NJC) Good on you victor!!! And while we're at it how about a bit of Byron Katie and Eckhart Tolle too! Clive _________________________________________________________________ 100s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:46:09 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: My Shine Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:22:57 +0200 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: My Shine Hi Mark! No, we don't have Starbucks here yet. At least here in the South. Maybe there will be one in Milan or in the surroundings. But, see, we like real coffee!!!! Ok, we also like real food, still there are a lot of McDonald's... I bought Shine in a book/music store called LaFeltrinelli, which is my favourite place to buy culture related items. Yesterday there was an Apulian traditional music singer's showcase there, so I sat down with one hand jealously wrapped around Shine and the other one holding a hot cup of green tea. It's been a great evening for me! And how hard it was to stay there when what I wanted the most was to run home and listen to Shine! But I really enjoyed the show. One thing I was sad about is that there is no advertising for Shine release. Hugs Mark (the man who made my dream come true!) Danilo > From: mark-leon@iinet.net.au > Subject: Re: My Shine > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:46:09 +1000 > To: joni@smoe.org > > Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in > Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? > > Mark in Sydney _________________________________________________________________ Scarica GRATIS la versione personalizzata MSN di Internet Explorer 7! http://optimizedie7.msn.com/default.aspx?mkt=it-it ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:37:22 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: "Shine" promotion / Joni TV spots TBA And hasn't she been trashing the music business and announcing her retirement since 1972? It seems silly to make a big deal about it now. I'll also be buying Shine at Starbucks. I have a gift card hanging around from last Christmas. It was meant to be! At 10:26 PM 9/21/2007, you wrote: >I also think the so-called 'judges in black and white' are thrashing >the whole 'she flamboyantly trashed the music business and said she >was getting the f*ck out of it' thing to death. Who cares as long >as she's creating again? Yeah, Joni likes to talk big and >exaggerate a bit. She's a big talent. She's larger than life. Or >at least the persona she shows the public is. Personally her >outspoken, sometimes hyperbolic public pronouncements are part of >what I love about her. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:47:40 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: My Shine Oh that's very sweet of you, Danny. Is it Ok to offer your CD to the list? For those of you who aren't familiar with Danilo's talent, I first ran into him on YouTube (on Bob Muller's recommendation) where he displayed his passion for Joni in the form of some magnificent covers of Joni's songs on guitar. I ripped the audio and created a double CD and designed a cover for it. The resulting CD is called, "For Free: The Songs of Joni Mitchell". Some of these covers have never been recorded by anyone else. Like his beautiful version of Electricity. Anyway, maybe one day, you'll see a CD by Danilo on the shelves at La Fetrinelli. Australia has finally developed a taste for "real coffee" but there is room for all here now. I live near the Italian district of Sydney and interestingly, there is no Starbucks there. Enjoy Shine, Danilo. I hope to one day hear you perform these songs too. I'm sure you'll do a wonderful job. Mark in Sydney NP So Hard (Eclipse Mix) - Pet Shop Boys On 22/09/2007, at 8:22 PM, Danilo Monno wrote: > Hi Mark! > > No, we don't have Starbucks here yet. At least here in the South. > Maybe there will be one in Milan or in the surroundings. But, see, > we like real coffee!!!! Ok, we also like real food, still there are > a lot of McDonald's... > > I bought Shine in a book/music store called LaFeltrinelli, which is > my favourite place to buy culture related items. Yesterday there > was an Apulian traditional music singer's showcase there, so I sat > down with one hand jealously wrapped around Shine and the other one > holding a hot cup of green tea. It's been a great evening for me! > And how hard it was to stay there when what I wanted the most was > to run home and listen to Shine! But I really enjoyed the show. > > One thing I was sad about is that there is no advertising for Shine > release. > > Hugs Mark (the man who made my dream come true!) > > Danilo > > > > > From: mark-leon@iinet.net.au > > Subject: Re: My Shine > > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:46:09 +1000 > > To: joni@smoe.org > > > > Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in > > Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? > > > > Mark in Sydney > > 2 GB di spazio, protezione da virus e spyware...GRATIS! Windows > Live Hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:26:11 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: My Shine I believe Universal is distributing "Shine" in some countires that don't have Starbucks. On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:46 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in > Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:29:25 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: rolling stone review For what it's worth, Robert Christgau's review of Shine is posted in the jmdl library. 3 out of 5 stars. http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1678 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Upcoming NPR Special NJC <(did I see a ghoul claw somewhere on that page?)> Yes, indeed...it always makes an appearance around HALLOWEEN! Aaaaaiiieeeeee! Bob NP: Cass Elliot, "Sisotowbell Lane" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:23:08 +0100 From: "Joe Jones" Subject: Guardian review of Shine Hi, greetings from lurkerdom - here's a link to the UK Guardian newspaper's review of Shine + the text is below. The reviewer wastes much of the space questioning the release via Starbucks / Hear http://arts.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,,2173137,00.html Cheers - Joe Text follows. Joni Mitchell, Shine **** (Hear Music) Alexis Petridis, Friday September 21, 2007, The Guardian Joni Mitchell's 2002 retirement may be the greatest flounce-out in rock history. She announced her decision to stop making records with a series of impressively bitter interviews. The music industry was "repugnant", "a cesspool" populated by "pornographic pigs" who cared only about "golf and rappers". Furthermore she had "come to hate music" itself. "I hope it all goes down the crapper," she added, cheerily. It was a spectacular way to hand in your resignation - so spectacular that it seems a shame to spoil it by asking for your job back. Or, worse, going to work for Starbucks: Mitchell's comeback album arrives courtesy of the coffee chain's label Hear Music. Mitchell would probably argue, with some reason, that there's not much difference between a major record label and a fast-food multinational these days, but there's still something a little odd about a woman who complained long and hard about the exploitative nature of the music business (she recently complained of being paid "n-word wages") throwing in her lot with Starbucks, a company that has, over the years, faced a series of charges of unfair labour practice and is currently defending itself against accusations that it engaged in unfair sackings, union-busting and a campaign of surveillance waged by managers on union members. Still, she's not doing anything that peers, including Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan, haven't already done. It makes you wonder which redoubtable 1960s legend will be next to take the Starbucks buck. Van Morrison? Leonard Cohen? Perhaps Neil Young will sign up and offer a version of his anti-corporate anthem This Note's For You, with lyrics amended to suit changing times: "I ain't singin' for Pepsi, I ain't singin' for Coke - in fact, I'm singin' for the deliciously chocolatey Double Mocha Macchiato, handcrafted for you with specially selected ingredients. And can I interest you in a cheese and Marmite panini? On the evidence of Shine, what Hear Music offered was artistic freedom. While it certainly isn't "difficult" in the latterday Scott Walker punching-a-side-of-pork-while-screaming-about-Adolf-Eichmann sense of the phrase, neither is it the kind of album that record labels prefer their sexagenarian artists to make these days, in which their "classic" sound is subtly updated and hip young acolytes make guest appearances. The instrumentation is defiantly eccentric: saxophone, piano, the kind of drum machine that would have sounded anachronistic in the early 1980s, pedal steel guitar and washes of synthesized woodwind. The latter occasionally stray worryingly close to Pan Pipe Moods territory. Instrumental opener One Week Last Summer sets the tone of the album - meditative, graceful, becalmed - - but there's no getting round the fact that it sounds like something you might hear wafting around the lobby of the Kidderminster Ramada Inn. Meditative, graceful and becalmed are surprising adjectives, given the prevailing subject matter. Mitchell has said she was provoked out of retirement by the war on terror and looming ecological catastrophe, and a sense of impending doom is never far away. She's hardly the first artist in recent times to make with the End Is Nigh sign, but her response is the diametric opposite of the Arcade Fire's sturm-und-drang or Thom Yorke's anguished finger-pointing. In Hana she suggests we "tackle the beast alone with its tenacious teeth", and there's a sense of fight about the closing rewrite of Rudyard Kipling's If, but more often the tone is not so much one of defiance as a disquieting acceptance of fate. You hear it in the beautiful ballad If I Had A Heart in its chilling refrain of "bad dreams are good in the great plan", and in the echoing drift of the title track, which comes up with a litany of modern-day ills, but never raises its voice in anger. The sense of an artist roused by the fear that we're all going to hell in a handcart, only to discover that it may be too late and there's nothing we can do to avert disaster, gives much of Shine its emotional heft. Sanctimony is a condition to which the musical denizens of Laurel Canyon were always prone - in his twenties, Graham Nash was already loftily instructing the world how to Teach their Children - but the urge to wag fingers arises only once. There's a hint of I-told-you-so smugness about revisiting her 1970 eco-anthem Big Yellow Taxi, but that's not the reason the re-recording backfires. Listening to it, you notice there's a sparkiness about the lyric - "they took all the trees, put 'em in a tree museum" - noticeably absent elsewhere: This Place's "money makes the trees come down" suddenly sounds a bit clunky and laboured. Ultimately, that's a minor quibble in the face of a strange, intoxicating and unsettling album, idiosyncratic enough to make you glad Joni Mitchell put her retirement on hold. Shine is an album worth spoiling the greatest flounce-out in rock history for. - -- Joe Jones +44 7758 106430 (UK) +420 608 378 729 (CR) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: My Shine - --- Danilo Monno wrote: > No, we don't have Starbucks here yet. [...] But, > see, we like real coffee!!!! > Ok, we also like real food, still there are a lot of > McDonald's... That was beautiful! ;-) > ...I sat > down with one hand > jealously wrapped around Shine and the other one > holding a hot cup of green > tea. I hope you held it jealously in such a way that other people could still see it. "It's mine, all mine, but ask me about it and I'll tell you where to get your very own!" (Shine, that is, green tea is optional.) Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:20:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Guardian review of Shine - --- Joe Jones wrote: > The [Guardian] reviewer > wastes much of the space > questioning the release via Starbucks / Hear > > http://arts.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,,2173137,00.html That is SO yesterday. We've already been through that here. Ever the trendsetters. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:10:16 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: NJC: thanks for sharing this 1. Be Impeccable With Your Word Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your word in the direction of truth and love. 2. Don't Take Anything Personally Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won't be the victim of needless suffering. 3. Don't Make Assumptions Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life. 4. Always Do Your Best Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse and regret. These seems to some good advice to me ! If I only could follow these on a regular basis, I'm quite sure I'd feel more content. It can sometimes feel a bit painful and hurtful thing to stay in a discussion list like this, especially at times when one bring up things & points of vital importance to oneself, and then one feel neglected and avoided or ridiucled... But I think point 2 is a really good one. That is not YOU Monicia OR me Oddmund OR Victor or whoever. It is the person answering who has the current issue. Joking something away may be a way of protecting oneself, it may also be a way to deal with a special pattern or problem. I myself also remeber having had a bad feeling after sharing something of vital importance to me. I remember one time, writing a bit about my most profound Joni song, than someone answered, well what's your least profound joni song. I didn't at feel respected at all, but then it wasn't me, it was probably (s)he who had troubles with the seriousness I had in my post. Another time I remember (and I know I said this before so forgvie me for repeating) I remeber sharing something personal about my relation to Jonis music and no one responed not a single word. Than some other wrote abut "Driving in New York" and there was no end to those mails.... Bringing up personal issues things that are close to one's own heart, well that is something that make it worth while to stay on this list. On the other hand, discussing personal issues, makes one more vulnerable. Not all who stays on this list feel like going into personal stuff, and we have to respect that. My best advice will be to read Victor's advice here: Nothing others do is because of you. And also three, the one about not making assumptions, a very easy thing to do, but something that leads to so much hurting for oneself. Also it seems like bringing up themes close to one's own heart in many case leads to someone feeling poked by. It's not sure that is a negative thing. You being the person who starts a process in another person's mind, can feel hurting by some hittitng commentary, but on the whole I believe it's much better to get some reaction, even if that reaction wasn't quite what you hoped for. Than at least you are not ignored. In some way or another people responding to your thread or your thought, responds to what you said. Well, be true to your heart. Did you ever read Tracy Chapaman's lyrics of "All that you have is your soul" I think these are good one's: http://www.about-tracy-chapman.net/crossroads_lyrics.htm#allthatyouhave And not to mention Nicolette Larson : "It's gonna take a lotta love To change the way things are. It's gonna take a lotta love Or we won't get too far So if you look in my direction And we don't see eye to eye, My heart needs protection and so do I." Well, bon weekend ! and love to ye' all! Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:49:10 +0200 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: My Shine Yup, Victor, Universal is distributing Shine over here. Ome more thing. On the top surface of the cd there is a beautiful satellite photograph of Europe by night. I think America will have its own. Mark, if you want to re-offer For Free to the list, I'd be very very delighted! > From: waytoblue@comcast.net > Subject: Re: My Shine > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:26:11 -0400 > To: joni@smoe.org > > I believe Universal is distributing "Shine" in some countires that > don't have Starbucks. > > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:46 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > > Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in > > Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? > > > > Mark in Sydney _________________________________________________________________ Ti piace viaggiare? Allora racconta le tue avventure su MSN Diari di viaggio http://diaridiviaggio.it.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:08:27 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: from Blessings from Blessings, a quarterly Newsletter from the sisters of Saint Joseph of Rochester. If you do not get this quarterly newspaper form the sisters of St. Joseph and you want to get itcall (585) 641-8172 you can email at blessings@ssjrochester.org There were 8 stained glass windows. The article is about the stained glass windows that were origiannaly installed at the Jay street convent and were moved several times (the immaculate conception and Saint Elizabbeth of Hungary stained galss windows, designed in the late 1800's). . there was a quote in this article that caught my attention: "Some of the fellow sisters has become overly pious and thought they should be praying a lot. Well there were things to be done and Teresa said to them, 'God can also be found among pots and pans.' " I find intereting the concept of "overly pious." kind of funny. . . that someone would say that. I Love you guys .. . let's share quotes from the bible (or things like that) that are inspiring (not that I am religious or anything). . but I like to be inspired. . (and also, I have asked for poems and nobody sent them. . so now I will try to ask for bible quotes or spritual messages.) love again, Mar _________________________________________________________________ Share your special parenting moments! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:28:05 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: rolling stone review I can't help but feeling amused at this kind of shoot from the hip journalism. Does anybody take it serious? Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Deb Messling Skickat: den 22 september 2007 13:29 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: rolling stone review For what it's worth, Robert Christgau's review of Shine is posted in the jmdl library. 3 out of 5 stars. http://www.jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1678 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:04:47 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: My Shine Yes, that's right, at least for Sweden. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Victor Johnson Skickat: den 22 september 2007 13:26 Till: JMDL List Dmne: Re: My Shine I believe Universal is distributing "Shine" in some countires that don't have Starbucks. On Sep 22, 2007, at 4:46 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Hi Danilo. Congratulations. Just curious who is distributing it in > Italy. Do you have Starbucks there? > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC: thanks for sharing this Well hell, I guess I'm just being a contrarian, but this statement really bugs me. I'm much more of a subscriber to the "It's A Wonderful Life" point of view that says that we can have a positive force in the world and on people. I can go on and on listing things that others have done because of me, not all of it good of course but I think my tally sheet leans toward the positive side. Last night a bunch of co-workers took me out in honor of my birthday, and they even contacted some former co-workers that I hadn't seen in awhile and they had all written one-liners to sort of roast me (my favorite: "I remember once when Bob was at a loss for words....no, wait a minute, that was someone else") And I refuse to disconnect myself from others and become immune - it would rob me of being human. Yes, engaging yourself in life, relationships, and even the JMDL opens you up to getting hurt sometimes, but it also opens you up to a tremendous joy that I wouldn't trade for anything. How dismal that sounds to me. When I mentor kids or read to them I envision a better life for them, and I would prefer believing that maybe because ONE stranger took the time to help them, it might give them the incentive to work harder. I much prefer to think about all the positive effect I have in the world than believe that I have no impact on others. Bob NP: Traffic, "Forty Thousand Headmen" - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:07:03 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: NJC: thanks for sharing this On Sep 22, 2007, at 9:36 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > > And I refuse to disconnect myself from others and become immune - > it would rob me of being human. Yes, engaging yourself in life, > relationships, and even the JMDL opens you up to getting hurt > sometimes, but it also opens you up to a tremendous joy that I > wouldn't trade for anything. > > > > How dismal that sounds to me. When I mentor kids or read to them > I envision a better life for them, and I would prefer believing > that maybe because ONE stranger took the time to help them, it > might give them the incentive to work harder. I much prefer to > think about all the positive effect I have in the world than > believe that I have no impact on others. And I would agree with you whole-heartedly. I think that statement is useful if someone is venting at you, or seemingly coming down on you for something. Instead of absorbing the negative vibe (which I used to do), you realize it is really more about them than you and you shouldn't take it personally. Otherwise, I try to live my life as you say..fully engaging! Victor NP: Grateful Dead "Shakedown Street" from 7-9-95 Soldier Field (the last show they ever played and the first time I've listened to it...it has an amazing emotional, vulnerable quality to it, while we're on that topic) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > I can't help but feeling amused at this kind of > shoot from the hip > journalism. Does anybody take it serious? > Marion > Yuk. I detest that kind of writing. Let's show everyone how smart and hip we are and let's use lots of big words and clever phrases. That kind of writing is about the writer, and not about what they're supposed to be criticizing. It's one thing to review something and not like it for reasons which the writer should articulate clearly in a way that is neither a personal attack on the one being criticized nor a "look-at-me! ain't I clever?" exercise. It's quite another to be a smart-ass about it. I think it just points to the cynicism that's so rampant today. It is just SO uncool to write from the heart - it's all about demonstrating one's IQ. There's nothing in that review that suggests to me that the writer knows anything about music, since it seems to be all about attacking Joni personally for using a trite phrase or for not practicing what she preaches. Maybe it's just me and I'm not reading it the right way. I don't mind or care at all if someone doesn't like the work, as long as they stick to the work itself. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:14:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: It's coming on Christmas... Which of course can only mean ONE thing...River covers. Here's the first that I've seen (and I look a lot): http://www.boneyjames.com/ Coincidentally, the website header is "Boney James SHINE" Bob NP: Smashing Pumpkins, "Muzzle" - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:26:57 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: rolling stone review Oh wow, Catherine! I hope you didn't think I was trivializing. I just feel that a person who writes a review in that way is really a very small human being who has a lot to learn about life. He is not worth the rush of adrenalin it takes to get angry so I prefer to laugh him off. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Skickat: den 22 september 2007 16:05 Till: Marion Leffler; 'Deb Messling'; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: SV: rolling stone review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > I can't help but feeling amused at this kind of > shoot from the hip > journalism. Does anybody take it serious? > Marion > Yuk. I detest that kind of writing. Let's show everyone how smart and hip we are and let's use lots of big words and clever phrases. That kind of writing is about the writer, and not about what they're supposed to be criticizing. It's one thing to review something and not like it for reasons which the writer should articulate clearly in a way that is neither a personal attack on the one being criticized nor a "look-at-me! ain't I clever?" exercise. It's quite another to be a smart-ass about it. I think it just points to the cynicism that's so rampant today. It is just SO uncool to write from the heart - it's all about demonstrating one's IQ. There's nothing in that review that suggests to me that the writer knows anything about music, since it seems to be all about attacking Joni personally for using a trite phrase or for not practicing what she preaches. Maybe it's just me and I'm not reading it the right way. I don't mind or care at all if someone doesn't like the work, as long as they stick to the work itself. Catherine - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:15:11 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: "Shine" promotion / Joni TV spots TBA Good day, Sunshine! (IF you're in the mood, or need to get in the mood, here's a you-tube of that by the Beatles: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHTPdbpogRE&mode=related&search= ) and Good morning Joni starshine The earth says hello You twinkle above us We twinkle below Good morning starshine You lead us along My love and me as we sing Our early morning singing song What a digest I just read! More chock full of Joni starshine than any other I can remember. Thanks, David, for this great news. Three hours of Joni in 6,500 Starbucks? Oh, my heart and mind be still! I hear what you're saying and it's spinning my head around...(GN) And there's more....an NPR special (and JMDLers!), Charlie Rose, CBS Sunday Morning Show, reviews galore... "Slow down, you move too fast, you've got to make the morning last Just kickin' down the cobble-stones, lookin' for fun and feelin' groovy Feeling groovy!" Mark E. wrote: "I can't wait to see Joni on Charlie Rose!" Right on, Joni brother! I caught parts of Charlie Rose last night as I was channel surfing madly between Wes Clark on C-SPAN (Kate, he says it's way too early talk about running with HC, but I saw a glint in his eye...here he comes to save the day, like Mighty Mouse or Superman?), the Red Sox (win!), and the Yankees (lose!). Sean Penn was the guest, and he was SMOKING! I was in shock and awe about that (I don't recall ever seeing someone smoking on Charlie Rose), and thought, "God, wouldn't it be awesome to see *Joni* on Charlie Rose?" (Never thinking it would actually happen.) Can't you just picture her there, smoking, white flags of winter chimneys swirling against that black black background, and gesturing, and TALKING? Let your little light shine Let your little light shine Shine on the dazzling darkness Don't you love to see and hear Joni talking? O, speak again, bright angel! Your words: Some to shed a little light on you and on me Some to shed a little light on the human story. Another dream I have always had is to see Joni on the CBS Sunday Morning Show, that I watch religiously every week. You know they have a musical segment every week, and I've always wanted to ask you, Jerry (because I know you like it, too), if you thought Joni would ever appear, but then thought better of asking. "Nah. Give it up. I'm just another silly girl when Joni love makes a fool of me." The Joni world is too much with me these days. I need pills and powders! Every fairy tale comes real. When I think of her upcoming appearances, my mind see saws! Her own shining hours. Happy Saturday, everyone! "I've got no deeds to do, no promises to keep I'm dappled and drowsy and ready to sleep Let the morning time drop all its petals on me Life I love you, all is groovy*" in Joniland! Love, Patti P. in Flip City P.S. Both sides now. * I know of course that not ALL is groovy these days for everyone. I send up my prayers for anyone who is suffering from anything. May all this good Joni news bolster you up. _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:11:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NJC: thanks for sharing this Yeah, we're definitely on the same page, Victor - I just didn't care for the guy's wording "NOTHING others do is because of you", I think it needs to be more specifically phrased in the context of what he really means. It's almost abusive in its very nature, like a parent telling a child that he or she is worthless. And....many good times I've had have been BECAUSE OF YOU, bro! Bob NP: Leon Russell, "Delta Lady" - --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:47:29 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Leave Monika alone!, njc Aleda wrote: > Grow up, Monika. > Put Monika's name in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&mode=related&search= This guy is a riot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLlol19iuoU&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MzRn60irvc&mode=related&search= Here's a real remedy for depression: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkpLR4WzIBc&mode=related&search= ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:59:10 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: News (VLJC) Long Blah Blah Blah... Heartfelt congratulations on your Shining Star Award, Paz. A superstar. Well, right you are! But, oh dear. What is Kakki's horrible accident? Oh my! I worry sometimes. Please tell us how she is. (Pardon me if you already have and I missed it, being on digest.) Healing vibes to Freda and to Kakki, indeed. Love, Patti _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever  Get MORE with Windows Live Hotmail.. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:02:35 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Psychoneuroimmunology, njc A woman wise beyond her years wrote: > I have discovered, through my 22 years of life, that the mind is aB > powerful tool.B I believe the mind to be more powerful than even the body.B B > You can prevent illness with mind power alone just asB you can "manifest"B > illness through the power of the mind. > Hi Monika, There is a whole field of study on this topic; it is called psychoneuroimmunology. I have found it interesting immune cells are innervated. The action of the brain on the health of the rest of the body is facinating. Here is an abstract below regarding the liver that supports your ideas Monika. Love, Laura Innervation of immune cells: Evidence for neuroimmunomodulation in the liver Winfried L. Neuhuber 1 *, Gisa Tiegs 2 1Institute of Anatomy, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Erlangen, Germany 2Institute of Experimental and Clinical Pharmacology and Toxicology, University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, Erlangen, Germany email: Winfried L. Neuhuber (winfried.neuhuber@anatomie1.med.uni-erlangen.de) *Correspondence to Winfried L. Neuhuber, Anatomisches Institut LS 1, UniversitC$t Erlangen-NC Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review I completely share your sentiments, Marion and Catherine. Reading Christgau's review, I'd have no idea what this CD sounds like. So what's the point? Also, Christgau is clearly aiming his remarks at a younger generation, and painting Joni as an old coot. Well, he's older than Joni. - ---- Original message ---- >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:05:01 -0400 (EDT) >From: Catherine McKay >Subject: Re: SV: rolling stone review >To: Marion Leffler ,"'Deb Messling'" ,joni@smoe.org > > >--- Marion Leffler wrote: > >> I can't help but feeling amused at this kind of >> shoot from the hip >> journalism. Does anybody take it serious? >> Marion >> > >Yuk. I detest that kind of writing. Let's show >everyone how smart and hip we are and let's use lots >of big words and clever phrases. That kind of writing >is about the writer, and not about what they're >supposed to be criticizing. It's one thing to review >something and not like it for reasons which the writer >should articulate clearly in a way that is neither a >personal attack on the one being criticized nor a >"look-at-me! ain't I clever?" exercise. It's quite >another to be a smart-ass about it. I think it just >points to the cynicism that's so rampant today. It is >just SO uncool to write from the heart - it's all >about demonstrating one's IQ. There's nothing in that >review that suggests to me that the writer knows >anything about music, since it seems to be all about >attacking Joni personally for using a trite phrase or >for not practicing what she preaches. Maybe it's just >me and I'm not reading it the right way. I don't mind >or care at all if someone doesn't like the work, as >long as they stick to the work itself. > > > Catherine Deb Messling http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:10:19 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: New Joni on the radio My son called me early this morning (Sat) to tell me they were going to play some new Joni on the Breakfast program on WDST (out of Woodstock, NY) and it was streaming on the internet. Well, I located the station online with no problem but couldn't get the on-line streaming to play through Quicktime, RealPlayer or Windows Media Player. Finally, after futzing around for 45 minutes, I got it to play through my iTunes, just in time to hear the DJ say, "That's our show for today, glad you were with us, thanks for listening." Maybe they have an archives that I can hear it again but I don't see one..... Kenny B ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:20:48 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: NJC: Good point ! I see your point Bob ! And I agree ! Being a sensitive person, like I am, gives me both great joys and some sorrows, and I do agree that the joys weighs more heavy than the sorrow. I would use those statements, just to give some distance to some situation for myself. I would not use it like my new reilgion. It just seemed, oh I don't know, in a way a good advice. Many times, esp. when I'm not feeling very good about myself, I tend to take a blame for everything, and that is such a heavy load to carry. So then sometimes I wished I was immune. And I have to practice to thin, hey that woman was really mean to me, but oh maybe she had a bad day. Maybe she lost her job. Maybe her kids was taken from here... Than I feel that I'm not to blame for her bad mood, anf then I feel better. It was in such a way I interpretated and used the quatations Victor sent. But I definately see your point, being alive opens up for the possibility of getting hurt, as much as contributing on this very list does it. On the other hand, oh how dreary it all would be, if we hadn't found our Joni-souls spirius right here on this list. It has given me sooo much inspiration, weighs far more than the times I have felt misunderstood, or didn't get what I hoped for ... And you Bob, is really one of the person's who gives response, both when you agree and when you disagree, And that is a very good thing. Thanks ! And happy Birthday for yesterday's anyways ! Best *Oddmund On 9/22/07, Bob Muller wrote: > > Yeah, we're definitely on the same page, Victor - I just didn't care for > the guy's wording "NOTHING others do is because of you", I think it needs to > be more specifically phrased in the context of what he really means. It's > almost abusive in its very nature, like a parent telling a child that he or > she is worthless. > > And....many good times I've had have been BECAUSE OF YOU, bro! > > Bob > > NP: Leon Russell, "Delta Lady" > > ------------------------------ > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:31:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: SV: SV: rolling stone review - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > Oh wow, Catherine! I hope you didn't think I was > trivializing. I just feel > that a person who writes a review in that way is > really a very small human > being who has a lot to learn about life. He is not > worth the rush of > adrenalin it takes to get angry so I prefer to laugh > him off. > Marion Good heavens, no - not at all. I often find that kind of writing funny in a sick sort of way, but sometimes I just have to roll my eyes. Then to learn that the writer is older than Joni - well, I simply had to laugh at that. I thought he was some wiseass just out of journalism school, trying to show everyone how smart he was. Now I realize he's just a cynical old, well, curmudgeon! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:07:42 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) Hi Kate I don't think I knew about your mom having ALS. As you may know my oldest brother died early this year from ALS and it was so fast. He was in LA on a trip and got home went in the hospital and was gone within a week or so. He was so afraid of being ill for a long time and degenerating and it was a blessing for him to go quickly. The last time I was able to spend some time with him was just before my other brother passed last year. Best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 21, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Kate Bennett wrote: This body-mind connection has much truth to it but yet the concept is often misrepresented IMO. Many 'new age' thinkers have abused this concept for decades which is why I think it hit a nerve with some people. Monica, I'm sure you intend to do so but you are young & in this aspect, have much to learn (as we all did & do when we are young). My Mom died of a similar disease, ALS. Ten years ago this month. Her death came relatively quick from her first known symptoms. MLS & Parkinson's is longer term. As the old clichi goes, dying is easy, living is harder. I pray you will find it in your heart to allow & support your Mom in handling her disease in whatever manner she chooses. Perhaps, as is often the case with these diseases, she also suffers from depression. There can be huge mood changes, especially when coupled with any meds being taken. Thus not wanting to get out of bed. As a Mom, I pray that at the end of my life, I will be treated with compassion & respect by my children & grandchildren- the ones I love more than words can say. I cherish the last months I had with my Mom although some of the moments were very difficult. We tried to give her everything we could think of to help make her life more normal and happy. The only thing she really wanted more than anything was to be surrounded by her family. And not to be forgotten. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:12:01 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Upcoming NPR Special Why did they not interview you the covers king and walking Joni encyclopedia? Or Simon? Joel? Cool Les and Sue and Ashara (who I just got off the phone with a few minutes ago) I can't wait to check this out. paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 21, 2007, at 7:16 PM, Bob Muller wrote: http://www.paulingles.com/mitchell.html Scroll down to the bottom...yeah, I know some of those guys... Bob NP: John Doe, "The Meanest Man In The World" - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:32:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : NJC: thanks for sharing this Hi Oddmund, Thanks for making me remember the late Nicolette Larson. And yes she did a very good version of "Lotta Love" which I first heard from Neil Young back when I was younger in he Philippines. By the way I bought a Karin Krog CD yesterday at Virgin here in Union Square for -- get this -- 0.99! What were the people thinking when they downgraded the imported price of 22.99 to 0.99? Karin may not be Radka Toneff but she is very good and I like her voice a lot. Bought some blues from John Lee Hooker and a Grace Bumbry version of Carmen. CDs are cheap here in NYc if you dig long enough in record stores and not mind trawling through roadside bargain bins. Joseph in NYC np: cacophony of accents and languages Oddmund Kaarevik a icrit :_lyrics.htm#allthatyouhave And not to mention Nicolette Larson : "It's gonna take a lotta love To change the way things are. It's gonna take a lotta love Or we won't get too far So if you look in my direction And we don't see eye to eye, My heart needs protection and so do I." Well, bon weekend ! and love to ye' all! Oddmund, Norway - --------------------------------- Stockage illimiti de vos mails avec Yahoo! Mail. Changez aujourd'hui de mail ! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:48:26 +0200 From: "Jonathan Lowe" Subject: I'm Shining!!! Went down to my local independent music store here in Hilversum as US stuff often gets released here on the Friday before the Tuesday release date...and there it was- SHHHHHHHHINNNNNNNNNE!!!. Cost me Euro 19.95, but that's the price you pay for supporting independent stores (and the guy said it he would try to get me any related promos he comes across!). The CD is packaged in a digibox with a petrol blue paper band around its middle (easy to tear I imagine when you take off the cellophane outer so be careful!) proclaiming "Joni Mitchell" and "Shine". This paper band is not glued so I used some double-sided tape to enable it to re-wrap the box after opening. The digibox itself has a pale grey sticker that says: "The radiant return of one of the greatest singer/ songwriters of our time. Indeed. Artwork is beautiful with a strong ballet theme (are we going to have Shine: The Ballet down the road?) Now I sit up here, the critic (after only one play through though): One Week Last Summer- beautiful melody, but none of that distinctive, lived-in voice of course. This Place- "Sparkle on the ocean"...that voice again- Wow! Great soprano sax. If I Had A Heart- not immediately gripping, a little obvious. Hana- strong percussion, and again great soprano sax- a definite grower. Bad Dreams- oh what wonderfully sad, haunting piano figures set against the moving lyrics...highpoint so far (for being such a lowpoint). BYT (2007)- VERY interesting that this follows with its upbeat melody but more or less the same theme- is Joni trying to show us how far she's come? A fine re-birth. Night Of The Iguana- there's been a lot written on the subject of this already- I didn't find the melody immediately fantastic- may grow on me. Strong & Wrong- I preferred the melody to the lyrics which I found a bit obvious. Shine- wonderful, wonderful, wonderful! An immediate classic which builds and builds over 7= minutes. James Taylor guests on acoustic guitar! If- I've heard the poem too many times to evaluate the song behind it just yet, but I didn't like it much first time around. So, now I'm on the second play and already starting to develop and change these opinions- I guess that's why I love Joni so much- you always see and hear more on each playing- my favourites in a month's time will probably be totally different! Anyhow folks, that's all for now. I guess I am one of the lucky Europeans who already has it in his hands and I'm trying not so sound too smug! Looking forward to more discussion on the new record replacing the "pre-release tension" that's been a little over-present on here during the past 2 weeks. Let your little light shine... Jonathan [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #374 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------