From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #371 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 21 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 371 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC The mind....(long) [Victor Johnson ] Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) On Sep 20, 2007, at 6:36 PM, ajfashion@att.net wrote: > > I vote with you, and Monika, for more postive energy. But as Cindy > pointed out, Monika's post was frustrating, for those of us who are > ill and roaring like forest fire in spite of it, in that it implied > that if our > minds we were stronger we could beat it. > > If a passionately positive attitude and a passionately involved mind > and fantastic support from those I love and great artistic fulfillment > could cure disease, I would not have been sitting this afternoon > with an IV in my arm. That's all I'm saying. And I hear you loud and clear. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. My best friend's mother passed away recently from Huntington's Disease- she had spent the last five years or so, caring for her. It was so hard seeing her body deteriorate, slowly losing the ability to eat, talk, move at all. And she was a very strong woman, very vibrant personality. I sympathize with anyone who battles illness of any kind. And I'm all for everybody sharing their experiences. I just don't agree with the characterization of Monika as irresponsible or that she was creating a fantasy lala land. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:38:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' Yo, Catherine. You correctly spelled "ubiquitous" but missed "becuase"? What kinda high minded stuff is that? Is that an Ontario thing? "It's all a product of over-education". T-minus five days... Jim >When I say "they" all sound alike, I'm really thinking of the majority of pop singers on Top 40 radio, that you can't help hearing, whether you want to or not, becuase they're ubiquitous.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:54:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Re: Listen to 'Big Yellow Taxi 2007' Gosh, the new version of BYT is MUCH better than I thought it would be. I think the main reason it impresses me is the vocal. Joni's voice, somehow, is in much better condition than in many years. How did that happen? I know it's not because she gave up the cigs... Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:35:46 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) I'm on digest. I'm sure that plenty of people who are close to my age (51) have already given you another "take" on this. I going to say the rest of this because I hope it brings you some comfort (eventually). Our parents are not gods and they can be beaten by forces of nature. As Springsteen said, >Things'll knock you down >you don't even see coming. It's very sad that your mother is so weak now. If you believe she brought it on herself, then she's still a "god" to you. But leave yourself some doubt that maybe she is mortal. Maybe she was fighting those back problems, even before you were born. Maybe she kept it from you so you'd have a solid foundation to rely upon as a child. Like any parent, she probably did the very best she could. Maybe MS wore her down and eventually... kicked her ass. If that is what happened, then she has earned your respect and empathy. That's where it all starts with parents... and where it all ends up. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Nous sommes du soleil, Jim L. Motitan@aol.com >She had always had back problems her whole life but then all of a sudden, she started falling down when she was just simply walking. One of the times she fell, I guess she decided to never get back up again. She never discussed it with me. A couple of times, I admit, I did yell at her for not trying which she always responded by screaming at me to leave her alone. I really tried to help her think she could beat this for now (or atleast push back the severity of it for a few years) but she simply gave up--in her own mind she just gave up.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:52:58 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: RE: Tina and the Kingpin/ I hate waiting My Sweetbird wrote: > Our girl is back..Can you even stand it? I can't.. > Hi Kev, YES!! She is!!!! I am so high on Shine! I can hardly wait to see it on the shelves and hear it overhead in Starbucks. I've already got my copy ordered. Shine will be about $10 at Wal-Mart the first week it is out. Just the first week though. One of my best friends works at Starbucks and used to work at Media Play and told me about Wal-Mart's first week deal on new releases... she even called Wal-Mart for me to be sure about the price. It might be a good opportunity to buy several copies for giving as gifts. Shine... enlightenment! Here it comes! Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 02:17:40 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) - -------------- Original message from Victor Johnson : -------------- > My best friend's mother passed away recently from Huntington's > Disease- she had spent the last five years or so, caring for her. It > was so hard seeing her body deteriorate, slowly losing the ability to > eat, talk, move at all. And she was a very strong woman, very > vibrant personality. Huntingdon's may be the worst. I had a friend who died a terrible death from it a few years ago. One year at the beach he actually discussed with my husband his desire to kill himself while he still had the physical prowess to do so. (His father and brother also had it.) OTOH, my strong large vibrant father has something wrong with him that has a similar effect as Huntington's or Lou Gehrig's. At 75, otherwise healthy, he is an invalid, completely. His short-term memory isn't very good; his long-term memory is astonishingly precise. We have Agent Orange to thank for this. The Viet Nam will not be over for a long, long time. When I characterized Monika's post as "irresponsible," I hadn't processed her youth. I now think she is young and full of spirit, as many of us were, and "irresponsible" was probably not the best word. It's clear that if one reaches the middle of life, one has endured a lot of loss, and may possibly be battling illness or close to someone who is-- and thus a little touchy on the subject of the mind being all-powerful over the body. In the Prelude, Wm Wordsworth says "reality is half created, half perceived," which seems in keeping with this thread. That's the way I feel about this question, most of the time: that perception can have a huge impact on reality, but it can't completely alter it. Or sometimes alter it all. Woody Guthrie's fate was determined the moment he was born. - --Aleda ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #371 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------