From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #370 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 20 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 370 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: shine at walmart ["Kate Bennett" ] Killer chick tunes NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Austin's Strings Attached Joni Tribute Album [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: NJC was Alida Valli, now miserable [LCStanley7@aol.com] Fwd: shine at walmart ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Tina and the Kingpin/I hate waiting ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Tina and the Kingpin/I hate waiting [ajfashion@att.net] New story ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] I would have liked to see this.... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: NJC The mind....(long) [ajfashion@att.net] Re: New story ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: NJC The mind....(long) [Cindy Vickery ] SV: Listen to 'Big Yellow Taxi 2007' ["Marion Leffler" ] Chaka and Joni [merk54@aol.com] sjc, Raise up a white banner on October 27th [Patti Parlette ] Re: Message from website [Michael Paz ] Re: Message from website [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: NJC The mind....(long) [ajfashion@att.net] Re: NJC The mind....(long) [ajfashion@att.net] Re: shine at walmart ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:31:26 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: shine at walmart Not sure that is true, depends on the contract >Just so you know, when you buy a CD at a discount, it's the artist who takes the hit, not the record company, distributor or retail store...< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 00:35:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Killer chick tunes NJC >I have to say, I find this a very sad commentary, and I wholeheartedly disagree. There is an abundance of incredible work being put out by artists such as Ani Difranco, Patty Griffin, Neko Case, Grace Potter, Kasey Chambers, Jenny Lewis, Joan Osborne, Be Good tanyas, Sarah Harmer, I mean, I could go on for hours...really.< Hi Five Alison E in SLC! And has anyone heard Caroline Aiken do Coyote live? She outdoes Joni on this one. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:12:26 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Austin's Strings Attached Joni Tribute Album Hi J. Thanks so much for the links. Talented group of people. These covers are excellent. Shame about the unoriginal title and cover art but the performances make up for it. The women have very strong and unique voices and the music is layered. The arrangements even improve on some of the songs. There are only so many ways to perform Chelsea Morning but they found a new one. Lone Star Brilliance. 5 stars, two thumbs up, +++ Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:46:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC was Alida Valli, now miserable - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/19/07 12:36:03 PM, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > > > I knew an Aleta - maybe I'm not spelling it > correctly, > > but it was pronounded that way .... > > > > Still miserable after all these years... > > > > > > > > > > > > Catherine > > > > > Hi Canadeeun, > > Who be miserable, and why come? > > Love, > Alaura Depends on your definition of miserable, I suppose. Curmudgeonly is probably a better word. I admit I'm kinda grouchy, but that's OK with me. Now I'm shocked, nay appalled, that I wrote "pronounded". Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' - --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > I'm usually pretty good at being an old fogey, but I > love the > performances--vocal and instrumental--on the > Hancock. Sounds a lot > less synthetic than "Night of the Iguana," which I > don't much care > for. I'm not a neo-Luddite either, but I'd rather > listen to actual > instruments than to their simulated synthesizer > facsimiles. I haven't even heard the HH yet - I know someone sent a url for it and that it's somewhere in my inbox. I am going to buy the CD, so I may just wait until I get it, hoping the stores really do have it and Joan on the 25th. When I say "they" all sound alike, I'm really thinking of the majority of pop singers on Top 40 radio, that you can't help hearing, whether you want to or not, becuase they're ubiquitous. There are certain types, both male and female, and they really do all sound alike to me. But maybe it's just because I'm grouchy and old and everything is just one big mess o' noise sometimes. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:56:30 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Quinn Stepping Down NJC Unrelated to "Bad Dreams," I trust: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/20/books/20poet.html?ref=books ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:20:58 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC was Alida Valli, now miserable In a message dated 9/20/07 5:46:44 AM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > Depends on your definition of miserable, I suppose. > Curmudgeonly is probably a better word. I admit I'm > kinda grouchy, but that's OK with me. > > Now I'm shocked, nay appalled, that I wrote > "pronounded". > It sounds pronounded to be curmudgeonly. Cur-b mud on the dun-geon f-ly. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:20:56 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Fwd: shine at walmart I used to work in publishing, and if the music biz is similar, Kate is right. Trade discounts are pre-determined, and large companies (Wal-Mart, Amazon) can afford of offer deep discounts and take a hit on the price because they sell so much that they can make it up somewhere else. Joni will most likely get a commission on each unit sold - regardless of the purchase price. Then there are returns...don't get me started. Reuben On 9/20/07, Kate Bennett wrote: > Not sure that is true, depends on the contract > > >Just so you know, when you buy a CD at a discount, it's the artist who > takes the hit, not the record company, distributor or retail store...< > - -- Reuben in PA healthy people don't self-destruct. - Cyndi Lauper - -- Reuben in PA healthy people don't self-destruct. - Cyndi Lauper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:19:33 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Tina and the Kingpin/I hate waiting I agree - I was surprised and thrilled to see Tina on the HH album. I loved the stream that I heard, too. Hers is one of the few stirring performaces on the record (although I'm reserving judgement until I hear the whole thing). I thought she was retired as well - great to hear from her again, and covering one of my favorite Joni songs, too! Reuben On 9/20/07, KEVIN DOHENY wrote: > My girl works it out!! I LOVE it! Go ahead Ms Tina!! I haven't wanted a weekend to go by so fast in a very long time..I am waiting for tuesday like I used to wait for christmas as a kid. Our girl is back..Can you even stand it? I can't.. I find myself telling everyone she's releasing a new album.. Ive posted it on my Myspace blog and sent out bulletins..lol.. I am so jazzed. I really thought she was done making music. Thankfully I was wrong. I am counting the seconds... 432,046 to go.. Love you all! xoxo Kev > > --------------------------------- > Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. > Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > - -- Reuben in PA healthy people don't self-destruct. - Cyndi Lauper ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:54:00 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: shine at walmart I think you are right Kate. Generally I think artists are paid a specific amount per sale, i.e. 25 cents or whatever per album sold. Stores like Best Buy are able to sell cd's so cheaply because they make most of their money from high dollar electronics. Most likely, the artist is not affected by mark downs. Victor NP: someone practicing flute down the hall -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Kate Bennett" > Not sure that is true, depends on the contract > > >Just so you know, when you buy a CD at a discount, it's the artist who > takes the hit, not the record company, distributor or retail store...< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:26:20 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: shine at walmart In a message dated 9/20/2007 11:05:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblue@comcast.net writes: I think you are right Kate. Generally I think artists are paid a specific amount per sale, i.e. 25 cents or whatever per album sold. - --------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, yes the artist isn't really affected by the going price. There are performance royalties that every musician is paid who plays on the album and there is the gold--the songwriting royalties (that's where the $$$ is). Last time I checked, a songwriter gets 8 1/2 cents per track for every album sold--in terms of the songwriting royalties. Don't quote me on that exact amount as it has fluctuated a bit up and down through the years. If not 8 1/2 cents, then right around there. It's funny because Pink Floyd once complained about this. As those of you who listen to PF know, they've got albums with just 5 songs on them. But these 5 songs go are often 10-20 minutes long but that doesn't matter as far as songwriting royalties go---it is still only per track. PF (or more or less Roger Waters) once complained that there were artists releasing shit albums with a shitload of songs and getting paid more despite the fact that most of it was filler. Ah well, that's the price you pay to choose art over money I say. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:57:06 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) In a message dated 9/19/2007 9:40:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ajfashion@att.net writes: While I think some things you say here are true, some of it is, well, not true and irresponsible. Your statement, " I believe the mind to be more powerful than even the body" may be true when one is dealing with a head cold (although I'm not convinced of that), but I promise you if you are ever have a life-threatening illness you are not apt to believe this so passionately. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well I don't see how my statements were irresponsible but to each his own. I do realize if you get a life threatening illness, your mind alone can not make it go away. Impossible, yes. However, on the same token, there are those illnesses that medicine alone can't really treat. If it is your time to go, no matter what you do, you won't beat it. But I do think having perseverance AIDS in a way that no one will ever know. Let me give you an example of a few different people with the same illness (a big one, not just a cold!) where the mind played a powerful role. My Mom was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis many, many years ago. She had always had back problems her whole life but then all of a sudden, she started falling down when she was just simply walking. One of the times she fell, I guess she decided to never get back up again. She went to bed for three days straight which is the worst thing you could do with that illness. She then had her doctor visits (confined to a wheelchair) and was diagnosed with MS. The thing that really pissed me off about this whole situation is that she just gave up. At home, she didn't even try to walk. She didn't even care to. In physical therapy (which was recommended to her by the doctor) she didn't even try. I know this because I was there a few times for support (suggested by the doctor). She didn't even it give it a chance. Since falling down, she just decided, "well that's it, MS has got me and that's all." That is what it looked like to me. She never discussed it with me. A couple of times, I admit, I did yell at her for not trying which she always responded by screaming at me to leave her alone. I really tried to help her think she could beat this for now (or atleast push back the severity of it for a few years) but she simply gave up--in her own mind she just gave up. Eventually, the physical therapy stopped (due to the fact that she wasn't trying and she wasn't very pleasant to the therapist) and the condition worsened greatly. She is now bed ridden with a feeding tube connected to her stomach because even her arms are too weak to try and eat (not to mention she can't really swallow anything---a condition that often develops after getting MS). But you see, I really think if she had tried, if she had the willpower, she would still be walking today. But she didn't and I have to say it was the most horrible thing I had witnessed--to see someone give up on their life like that. Now MS is a very severe condition yet there are those we see with it who are doing just fine. Montel Williams (talk show host) has MS and he is fit and walking and seemingly healthy. He's even had shows on MS and his struggle against it (on how he exercises, what he does to try and beat it). That, right there, is a difference in thinking. Another case of someone with MS who is doing just fine came from a program I was watching. There was this young woman, very athletic who slowly but steadily couldn't run her 4 miles everyday. In fact, she found it hard to even get up in the morning. She was diagnosed with MS and told the disease was really affecting her nerves in a really bad way. She said as soon as she knew what she had, she said she wasn't going to let it get her. She slowly but steadily started first stretching her limbs, then walking a step, then lifting weights, and now today a few years after her stint with paralysis, she was back to running everyday. These people decided to not let anything get them---thereby using their own mindpower (and of course exercising and all that) to achieve what they wanted. I can't say they beat MS as there is sadly no cure for it but they're doing just fine now when (with the amount of years they had the disease) they shouldn't be. It takes YOU to change things, anything really. Now off topic from this but still on topic about the mind, do you know there are many in Indian culture (Hindus) who don't even use medicine at all? I used to go to a Hindu temple and I met some of the warmest people I have ever met there. In addition, I used to attend kriya yoga sessions at the temple and I remember a conversation we had based on the use of medicine. Some of the Indian women at the session noticed I had a bit of a cold and this led to the discussion. They told me they didn't believe in western medicine and that their Indian friends didn't use it either. They believed in using herbal remedies, doing yoga, and really just a serene state of mind. And funny enough, these people told me they rarely get sick. They said themselves they believed you could overcome minor ailments with the power of your mind. Mind you, Hinduism is very much a religion in which your mind plays a big role---through meditation, yoga, not sinking into Maya (if you're interested google "Maya" as it is something too large to explain here), etc etc. But you know what? I believed them through what they said and through what I started to think which is now what I do think. Anyway, thanks to those who actually read all the way through this. God bless you, you've got endurance! I could give you a hundred more examples on how powerful the mind is but I doubt that would change your mind. But I'm not trying to persuade anyone into my own thinking as much as I was just explaining something I believe, and will always believe, to be true. But it's sort of funny because I didn't intend illness with the mind vs. the body to be the point of my post. That was a passing statement. Originally, I was trying to highlight how your own mind can be your worst enemy as far as your own thoughts go......and how impossible it is to change something like THAT... - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:15:09 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: NJC was Alida Valli, now miserable - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" > kinda grouchy, but that's OK with me. > > Now I'm shocked, nay appalled, that I wrote > "pronounded". > > Catherine > I rather like it myself. It's like you made up a word that combines 'pronoun' and maybe 'profound'. Then you turned it into a verb and made it past tense. Not sure what the definition would be. Maybe granting someone or something a profound pronoun? Mark in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:14:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Killer chick tunes NJC Yeah, plus Roseanne Cash, Alison Krauss, Imogen Heap, Nellie McKay, Vienna Teng, Mavis Staples, and (local hero) Karin Bergquist. If you have DISH satellite service, you might be able to get many interesting Sirius music stations. Jim L. Alison e. in slc said in part, >There is an abundance of incredible work being put out by artists such as Ani Difranco, Patty Griffin, Neko Case, Grace Potter, Kasey Chambers, Jenny Lewis, Joan Osborne, Be Good tanyas, Sarah Harmer, I mean, I could go on for hours...really.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:54:39 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Tina and the Kingpin/I hate waiting I love Tina so much there are not words. I cannot wait to hear this track. (My husband as a callow southern frat boy in the early 1960s heard Tina and Ike at a frat party. He and his equally callow frat brothers were very shocked she shunned underwear!) Tina 4-ever, Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:15:58 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: New story http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/music/bal-li.popcol20sep20,0,1208732.column Contains a link to "Shine" (the song) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:18:01 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: I would have liked to see this.... Someone posted this as a comment on my MySpace page: (mind you I have a photo of Joni & Neil up instead of having a picture of me up for everyone to see) "Your profile photo of Joni and Neil makes me think of one of the (if not the) best concerts I ever saw: Neil Young and band, the Eagles, and Joni Mitchell, in a cheesy little bar in Topanga Canyon. Neil Played two sets, the Eagles played two sets and Joni played one...solo acoustic... but at the end of Neil's second set she strapped on his Gretsch White Falcon,, plugged in, and they played "raised on robbery" together... LOUD!" I wish I could have been there! Well I would maybe go and get a drink or two while the Eagles were playing but when Joni & Neil would play, my eyes would be on them! And to hear "Raised on Robbery" with the two of them would have been mindblowing... - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:49:53 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) - -------------- Original message from Motitan@aol.com: -------------- [snip your long, thoughtful response] Monika, I meant it when I said I thought you said many true things in your original post. Obviously, for many people with MS, a great attitude and a committment to physical therapy and nutrition, etc, can be make a huge difference. I guess all I'm saying is that I know, and have known, a number of people with a passionate zeal and will to live, who have died because of disease, and I think it's unfair to imply (even though I don't think that was your intention, I really don't) that people who suffer or die because of serious illness don't have great attitudes, great spirit, and great belief in the power of the mind. This may be a difference in the perspective age gives us, since I am almost thirty years older than you. But I hope you keep your spirit; I am grateful to have a lot of my 22-year-old self still surging inside. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:35:19 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: New story Quoting "rflynn@frontiernet.net" : > http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertainment/music/bal-li.popcol20sep20,0,1208732.column > > Contains a link to "Shine" (the song) Actually it is only a link to only 43 seconds of "Shine" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:35:49 -0500 From: Cindy Vickery Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) Monika -Two things: One - I believe that your original post was "irresponsible" as well, and here's why: there are many among us, of course, who have lost people to horrific diseases. Our family members/friends may have fought like hell, railed against disease, shook their fists at lightning, and more. But at the end of the day, they're still dead. Your original post suggested that you believe that the result could have somehow been different if our loved ones had just fought *harder* and believed *stronger,* and that's painful. To have you belittle those experiences into a happily-ever-after dreamworld of "your mind is stronger than your body" is pretty deflating.I do agree that positive thinking and intention (as proved in the "What The Bleep" movies) are incredibly strong forces, and that we create/manifest positivity and negativity in our lives, in many circumstances. But to bundle that with disease... errr... not so much.And then, when challenged, you implied that you didn't need to explain your point of view. Ouch. Two - I have Multiple Sclerosis. Fact: the course of your mom's MS can't be compared to my MS, or to Montel's MS. Your mom and Montel and I all have big scars in our brains, but the similarities stop right there. There are a zillion variables - the lesion sites, their relative activity level, blah blah blah. My experience is this - that the pain-in-the-ass-ness of MS for me is that my body can't be trusted anymore. I can be walking around just fine, and suddenly, nothing works right anymore - and I fall on my ass. Or maybe I'm sitting at my desk, and my foot starts feeling like it's asleep - that prickly pins-and-needles thing that my life-experience informs me will make me stumble when I try to walk? - but when I get up, everything works just fine. It's pretty intimidating stuff, to know that you can fall down, out of the blue, at any second, that you may not be able to get up unaided, and that, even if someone's around to help you up, that you likely won't be able to move about. Maybe you should consider giving your mom a break. There really is something to be said for not judging a person until you've walked a mile in their shoes, you know? Thanks for listening - cindy > > AJ said:> While I think some things you say here are true, some of it is, well, not true and irresponsible. > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------> and you replied, in part: > Well I don't see how my statements were irresponsible but to each his own. I do realize if you get a life threatening illness, your mind alone can not make it go away. Impossible, yes. However, on the same token, there are those illnesses that medicine alone can't really treat. Let me give you an example of a few different people with the same illness (a big one, not just a cold!) where the mind played a powerful role. Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. Play now! _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever  Get MORE with Windows Live Hotmail.. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration _HM_mini_5G_0907 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:13:43 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Listen to 'Big Yellow Taxi 2007' Thanks for the link, Brian! I'm not a great BYT-fan and I wasn't too thrilled when I learnt that Joni recorded it for Shine, and unfortunately, after having heard it, I still don't think it was really worth it. I suspect I will skip it as I always do, although I can see that there is a connection between BYT and the rest of Shine. I do like Joni's singing, though. After having listened to If, Night of the Iguana and BYT I am impressed by the strength of her voice. She sounds so much better than she has done in years! And I love If! I have to listen a few times more to Night of the Iguana but I think I am going to like that one, too. Hope to receive my copy next Thursday or Friday. I ordered it from cdon.com and it is 149 Swedish crowns, which is a little more than 22 dollars. If you guys think that is expensive I can tell you that the regular price of cd:s is usually 169-179 Swedish crowns, so it's actually a bargain. I didn't order it from Amazon since that would have meant delivery from Germany or Great Britain, and I just can't wait the additional days! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Brian Gross Skickat: den 19 september 2007 20:54 Till: Joni@smoe.org Dmne: Listen to 'Big Yellow Taxi 2007' http://zaphod.uk.vvhp.net/v-v/070918094931 Enjoy! - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:49:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: The Last Winter - VLJC Everytime I am in NYC, I always go to the IFC and Film Forum cinemas. They always show films that may no longer be seen in its theatrical format. I know that someday movies will be in DVDs but there are people like us who really want the big screen experience. I am concluding the last data gathering for my dissertation research and the filmmakers I am videotaping/ interviewing for my research happen to be in NYC so it gave me the perfect excuse to come to NY 3 days earlier than my scheduled interviews so I can watch as many movies as humanly possible -- okay, an exaggeration but that's not untrue either. Yesterday, I watched this really intense 'horror' film called The Last Winter with director Larry Fessenden in attendance for a Q&A after the screening. So ithelps to have the director-writer clarify the open-ended ending, some images and what they reprsent as well as the behind-the-scenes stories which are just as compelling. Shot mostly in Iceland, the film is really mindblowingly good for these eyes and ears. I have not had chills run up my spine since The Blair Witch Project. The movie is like a descent to Grand Guignol, very scary without resorting to shock effects (although there are some of that too), very competent performances and a rarity in movies these days -- a 'horror' movie with that will make you (at least me) shed tears you didn't know is there already in your cheeks. The one thing that prevents me from recommending this wholeheartedly is the intensity of the filmed images. Aside from some rather disturbing images, there is also the feeling of being spooked. I guess I am not doing this right because you might no longer watch this film, but please do. It is one of those films that you may not want to watch again after, say 1 month. Or maybe a year(s). The film is not really a horror film but it is really about our everyday horrors or "the horror the horror" according to Col. Kurtz in Apocalypse Now. And what a strong cast. Which brings me to the VLJC aspect of this post. Joanne Shenandoah played Dawn in the film -- I didn't know she acts in films. She was quite good actually. The snowscapes in the film reminded me of Joni's foray in the snowscape of Canada via her famous Hejira photos. I have not seen so much snow in a film since Atanarjuat, Fargo, Alive and Noi Albinoi. I also saw I Want Someone To Eat Cheese With which is also fun and chuckles were heard from the audience almost every minute. Not the laugh out loud kinda thing but funny. Plus Sarah Silverman also plays a role that is not about her but could be her in real life. Plus there were other worthy films but I wont bother you with them anymore. Joseph in NYC (watching Margaret Garner tomorrow!!) - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:08:20 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Chaka and Joni Here is a link to the Chicago Tribune's review of Chaka's new cd.? There is some very nice Joni content, which I've included below.? See the link for the whole article.? Jack http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/music/chi-0920chakakhan_fillsep20,1,5630691.story Chaka Khan's new CD traces her artistic arc Artists who inspired Khan throughout the early chapter of her career also figure into the fold on "Funk This." Here's a clue to one of them: "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" (1977). More than a handful of listeners hail Joni Mitchell's sprawling two-record set as a bold musical experiment and innovative exploration of sonic vistas. In the company of guests such as Wayne Shorter and Jaco Pastorius, you hear Khan infuse "Dreamland" and "The Tenth World" with vocal pyrotechnics. It was the first of several musical moments over the next 30 years where the talents of Khan and Joni Mitchell intersected, leading up to "Funk This." Idol worship Khan's idolatry of Mitchell almost renders her speechless: "That woman ... let me tell you, there is no one like her on the planet. She's the best. I want to be like her when I grow up. "I kind of fell off the train for maybe 10 years and then Phoebe Snow brought me back to her again. In fact, just before I recorded 'Ladies Man,' I was still in the studio, and Joni was being inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in Toronto. She invited myself and Herbie Hancock. We did a funky, beautiful, amazing rendition of [Mitchell's] 'Help Me.' "I talked to her after the show ... and I told her that I wanted to do 'Two Grey Rooms' [from Mitchell's "Night Ride Home"] -- that's my song. I play it for people and it's like, 'When did you do that?' They really think it's like me singing that song! We have weird kindred spirits. She said, 'No, no, Chaka, no. Don't do 'Two Grey Rooms.' You've got to do 'Ladies Man.' I said, 'You're right. Let me get that out of my system. I'll do 'Ladies Man.'" A Jimi Hendrix tune also gets a reworking of simmering properties on "Funk This." Jam and Lewis keep the patina of psychedelic soul in the foreground on "Castles Made of Sand" while Khan invokes the cool nuances of Hendrix's performance, mixing in her own trademark vocal arrangements to the material. Like Joni Mitchell and Miles Davis, Hendrix stands as one of Khan's most important musical influences. Many would agree with her assessment: "He's the greatest guitar player that ever lived. Period. He's a fantastic poet. He is an amazing lyricist -- prophetic. Listen to some of his words," she implores. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:43:21 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sjc, Raise up a white banner on October 27th Sweet birds: Fold your fleet wings I have brought some dreams to share A dream that you love someone A dream that the wars are done A dream that there will little light shine Jonifests (or meet-ups, rather) on October 27th Eleven of them! National Mobilization to End the War in Iraq 11 Massive Demonstrations for Peace Boston, Chicago, Jonesborough, Tenn., Los Angeles, New Orleans, New York City, Orlando, Philadelphia, Salt Lake City, San Francisco, and Seattle Boston is where I will be. Hana says when life's a drag Don't cave in Don't put up a white flag Raise up A white banner In this manner- Straighten your back Dig in your heals Joni says You've got to shake your fists at lightning now, you've got to..... Oh, you know what she says! Play every chord that you feel. http://www.unitedforpeaceandjustice.com/ This is a wonderful website, in my opinion. It's like "Command Central" for anti-war stuff. I hope to see some of you Boston Jims or SoBs raising up white banners. (Hey, maybe a big white JMDL banner that says: Shine on lousy leadership!) Oh, let your little light shine. Peace, Patti P. NPIMH: Most of the cats that you meet on the streets speak of true love, Most of the time they're sittin' and cryin' at home. One of these days they know they better get goin' Out of the door and down on the streets all alone. Truckin', like the do-dah man once told me "You've got to play your hand" Sometimes your cards ain't worth a dime, if you don't lay'em down (...which reminds me of Lay Down Candles in the Rain.....and you know there may be more songs of peace, so I had just better put a sock in it for now! ; ) ) _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:57:10 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) Everybody writes from their own experience. I think a lot is being read into Monika's post that isn't there. I interpreted it as just saying that the mind is strong and in some cases, can be stronger than the body can. The mind can also work against you as well. I think everyone should cut her a little slack. There is much truth in what she was saying. Obviously there are diseases that the mind can not conquer and people do not always win their battles. I don't think Monika felt the need to specifically explain all that in her post but just took for granted that that was understood. What it all boils down to is everyone has a choice to build on positive energy or negative energy. I vote for more positive. Victor -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Cindy Vickery > Monika -Two things: One - I believe that your original post was > "irresponsible" as well, and here's why: there are many among us, of course, > who have lost people to horrific diseases. Our family members/friends may > have fought like hell, railed against disease, shook their fists at lightning, > and more. But at the end of the day, they're still dead. Your original post > suggested that you believe that the result could have somehow been different > if our loved ones had just fought *harder* and believed *stronger,* and that's > painful. To have you belittle those experiences into a happily-ever-after > dreamworld of "your mind is stronger than your body" is pretty deflating. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:12:34 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) In a message dated 9/20/2007 1:40:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cindyvickery@hotmail.com writes: ne - I believe that your original post was "irresponsible" as well, and here's why: there are many among us, of course, who have lost people to horrific diseases - --------------------------------------------------------------------- My apologies if I seem to have placed blame upon the people themselves who passed away or suffer from disease. That was not my intention, and here on the net, things are easily misunderstood. Although I don't think the word "irresponsible" applies as much as perhaps tactless or thoughtless (which is not what I meant but I can understand how you might see it that way). I realize that many pass away from horrific diseases. I've known them too within my family and certainly I don't blame anyone. We are mortal. We are born and we die. That is life (and of course there's much more in the middle there!). If a life threatening disease grabs you, no matter what, you can't beat it but I do certainly believe you can prolong your life by positive thinking. It doesn't mean a miracle will happen and you'll beat out cancer but I do believe you can prolong your life (it doesn't always happen but I just think the possibility is there). Of course, with these certain diseases, sadly time will run out. I mean there are those diseases that no will power OR no medicine can really treat. Sometimes it just doesn't matter. Such is life. And I understand that MS is different for everyone, believe me I know more than I want to on MS after doing research on it after my Mom was diagnosed but there are things you can do to try and help yourself. Key word, TRY. All this doesn't apply in every case as anything you say doesn't apply in every case. There are always exceptions but overall that is my thinking. And I don't think it has anything to do with me being only 22 and foolishly believing these due to naivety or lack of experience. That is sort of insulting in a way which I don't particularly appreciate but so be it. I can understand why you might think that though and I won't lose any sleep over it. I still do believe that your mind alone can beat colds, fevers, and such. There is no actual cure/medicine for the common cold (just those that alleviate symptoms or help sinuses or whatever) yet even when you take some medicine, don't you always feel better anyway? Often when you go to the doctor (many have told me this) they start feeling better as soon as they step into the office. It could be temporary relief, yes, but just the belief that the "doctor" will help, helps in a way. There have been studies in Psychology where one group (the control group) gets a real pill for relief and the other group (the experimental group) gets a placebo for relief without their knowledge that it is a placebo of course. You know what these studies have shown? The majority of BOTH groups admit feeling better even though the one group wasn't given any real medicine. See, that's another reason I think just the belief can help you. Giving myself as an example I know anytime I even feel a sniffle coming on, I snap myself out of it. I haven't been sick in years now and last time I was sick was due to food poisoning. And there was a time in high school where every other day I was in the nurse's office due to a very painful stomach ache. I remember even going to the doctor for that and I was told there was nothing wrong with me. The doctor said it was probably from stress (I really, really had a shit time that particular year of school though I didn't think I was stressed) and as soon as he told me that, I didn't get one of those again for a while (certainly not every other day though I do get them every now and again). I'm just saying with these minor things (not cancer or anything like that), will power helps. It's certainly fascinating to know that you yourself can give yourself ailments (you know, psychosomatic symptoms). I find that really, really interesting. I do love Psychology. Anyway, that's the last that I will say on this topic as once again this subject wasn't what I had hoped to discuss. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:17:42 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) [OFFLIST] In a message dated 9/20/2007 4:00:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblue@comcast.net writes: Everybody writes from their own experience. I think a lot is being read into Monika's post that isn't there. I interpreted it as just saying that the mind is strong and in some cases, can be stronger than the body can. The mind can also work against you as well. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------- Thanks man. I didn't realize so much was going to be misconstrued in my original post as it was and that there'd be so much protesting against it. As I said, I didn't intend to discuss illness in that post. I had originally wanted peoples' opinions on how your mind works against you in your daily life, your relationships, etc etc. The illness comment was supposed to be a passing statement. There are many patterns we ourselves set up in our minds that affect us negatively in our lives. This is what I wanted to highlight!....how your own mind works against you emotionally! - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:47:06 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: FW: Message from website Copy Loretta on any responses. - -----Original Message----- hi, i don't mean to be a pain and i don't even know whether you will know but if possible please could you tell me what "breakfast barney" and the "sign off prayer" were in her song "you turn me on, i'm a radio"? i'm studying joni for my english language and i think this has a meaning that i don't know about so i would be very grateful to find out what it means. thankyou, loretta :) Name: loretta gibson email: megabigknickers@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:01:30 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Message from website Breakfast Barney being the "Morning Radio Guy" (Howard Stern type maybe NOT) HAHAHHA. And The sign off prayer refers to the sign off option that radio stations use to have especially in small towns where they would sign off with a prayer, or the National Anthem, or a hymn. That's my take and I am sticking to it cause I don't care what Muller (one of our resident JMDL Joni Experts) thinks. best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 20, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Les Irvin wrote: Copy Loretta on any responses. - -----Original Message----- hi, i don't mean to be a pain and i don't even know whether you will know but if possible please could you tell me what "breakfast barney" and the "sign off prayer" were in her song "you turn me on, i'm a radio"? i'm studying joni for my english language and i think this has a meaning that i don't know about so i would be very grateful to find out what it means. thankyou, loretta :) Name: loretta gibson email: megabigknickers@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:19:34 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Message from website That was a Canadian radio station, right? I'm surprised that Breakfast Barney isn't in the glossary. Michael, please update the Glossary in your SPARE TIME dude. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Upon A Veil Of Midnight Blue" Michael Paz Sent by: owner-joni@smoe.org 09/20/2007 05:01 PM Please respond to Michael Paz To megabigknickers@hotmail.com cc JMDL list , Les Irvin Subject Re: Message from website Breakfast Barney being the "Morning Radio Guy" (Howard Stern type maybe NOT) HAHAHHA. And The sign off prayer refers to the sign off option that radio stations use to have especially in small towns where they would sign off with a prayer, or the National Anthem, or a hymn. That's my take and I am sticking to it cause I don't care what Muller (one of our resident JMDL Joni Experts) thinks. best Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 20, 2007, at 3:47 PM, Les Irvin wrote: Copy Loretta on any responses. - -----Original Message----- hi, i don't mean to be a pain and i don't even know whether you will know but if possible please could you tell me what "breakfast barney" and the "sign off prayer" were in her song "you turn me on, i'm a radio"? i'm studying joni for my english language and i think this has a meaning that i don't know about so i would be very grateful to find out what it means. thankyou, loretta :) Name: loretta gibson email: megabigknickers@hotmail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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The mind can also > work against you as well. > > I think everyone should cut her a little slack. There is much truth in what she > was saying. Obviously there are diseases that the mind can not conquer and > people do not always win their battles. I don't think Monika felt the need to > specifically explain all that in her post but just took for granted that that > was understood. > > What it all boils down to is everyone has a choice to build on positive energy > or negative energy. I vote for more positive. > I vote with you, and Monika, for more postive energy. But as Cindy pointed out, Monika's post was frustrating, for those of us who are ill and roaring like forest fire in spite of it, in that it implied that if our minds we were stronger we could beat it. If a passionately positive attitude and a passionately involved mind and fantastic support from those I love and great artistic fulfillment could cure disease, I would not have been sitting this afternoon with an IV in my arm. That's all I'm saying. Writing from one's experience is fine, but not to the exclusion of other people's experiences. I liked most of Monika's post very much, and I'd like to think that all of us on this list have our world-views expanded by the responses to what we say. I know I have. And am the better for it. Shine on, Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:36:28 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: NJC The mind....(long) - -------------- Original message from waytoblue@comcast.net: -------------- > Everybody writes from their own experience. I think a lot is being read into > Monika's post that isn't there. I interpreted it as just saying that the mind is > strong and in some cases, can be stronger than the body can. The mind can also > work against you as well. > > I think everyone should cut her a little slack. There is much truth in what she > was saying. Obviously there are diseases that the mind can not conquer and > people do not always win their battles. I don't think Monika felt the need to > specifically explain all that in her post but just took for granted that that > was understood. > > What it all boils down to is everyone has a choice to build on positive energy > or negative energy. I vote for more positive. > I vote with you, and Monika, for more postive energy. But as Cindy pointed out, Monika's post was frustrating, for those of us who are ill and roaring like forest fire in spite of it, in that it implied that if our minds we were stronger we could beat it. If a passionately positive attitude and a passionately involved mind and fantastic support from those I love and great artistic fulfillment could cure disease, I would not have been sitting this afternoon with an IV in my arm. That's all I'm saying. Writing from one's experience is fine, but not to the exclusion of other people's experiences. I liked most of Monika's post very much, and I'd like to think that all of us on this list have our world-views expanded by the responses to what we say. I know I have. And am the better for it. Shine on, Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:24:14 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: shine at walmart Current mechanical royalties are 9.1 cents/song, or $1.75 per minute for songs over 5 minutes. This is split 50/50 between the songwriter and publisher. In Joni's case, she owns her own publishing (smart girl). (So a million copies would generate $91,000 for the songwriter and publisher to split, per song). Record companies will often pressure artists to accept less, especially new artists. Most any contract will also refuse to pay for more than 10 songs per album-which is why most albums have 10 songs. If they have more, most likely the artist is getting burned on those. They also have other little accounting tricks, like a 'breakage' fee that goes all the way back to the days of fragile 78 rpm records. Like 5% or something is deducted for that. And a return fee...starting to see why Joni calls them jackels? These royalties are separate from performance royalties, which come from radio airplay, and are collected by BMI or ASCAP on behalf of the artist, and synchronization fees for movies and TV, which are negotiated on a case by case basis. The recording artist also gets a royalty, maybe a dollar per album for an established artist. This money is only paid, however, once the album starts to generate a profit; that is, the record company loans the money to the artist, and doesn't give them anything until all their investment is paid back. They also own the recording itself, even after their investment has been paid back. In Joni's position, she can finance the recording herself, and own the master, as she did with BSN/Travelogue, though I don't know if that's what she did with Shine, or if Starbucks financed it. When videos are made, the artist can end up a million dollars or more in debt to the record company, and the debt will be carried to the next release. The book Star Making Machinery goes into this in depth, following Commander Cody's band, who have a smash hit song and album, and still cannot get out of debt to the record company. Sidemen get a set fee for the session. Producers get a percentage of the profits, maybe 5-7% depending on various things. There is a 'wholesale' price that stores pay for the disc, it used to be around ten bucks. If they discount it deeply, it might be to get people into the stores, even if they take a loss. http://www.ascap.com/musicbiz/ascapcorner/corner15.html If Brenda is still around she can check me for mistakes! RR From: > Hmm, yes the artist isn't really affected by the going price. There > are > performance royalties that every musician is paid who plays on the album > and > there is the gold--the songwriting royalties (that's where the $$$ is). > Last time I checked, a songwriter gets 8 1/2 cents per track for every > album > sold--in terms of the songwriting royalties. Don't quote me on that > exact > amount as it has fluctuated a bit up and down through the years. If not > 8 1/2 > cents, then right around there. > It's funny because Pink Floyd once complained about this. As those of > you who listen to PF know, they've got albums with just 5 songs on them. > But > these 5 songs go are often 10-20 minutes long but that doesn't matter as > far > as songwriting royalties go---it is still only per track. PF (or more or > less Roger Waters) once complained that there were artists releasing shit > albums > with a shitload of songs and getting paid more despite the fact that most > of > it was filler. Ah well, that's the price you pay to choose art over > money I > say. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #370 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------