From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #368 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 19 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 368 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- River: The Joni Letters ["Gordon MacKie" ] Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: fascinating comments by Joni on each new track [Mark-Leon Thorne ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Poem_or_Lyrics=2C=A0=A0_njc?= [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Preview of River: The Joni Letters [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Poem=20or=20Lyrics,=A0=A0=20njc?= [LCStanley7@aol.co] Re: weird gigs....and then there are cooler ones (njc) [Em ] Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Subject: Mingus [Motitan@aol.com] Shine lyric for today..... [Motitan@aol.com] So far from Shine......? [Motitan@aol.com] shine at walmart ["Marianne Rizzo" ] NJC The mind.... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: shine at walmart [Motitan@aol.com] Re: NJC So far from Shine......? [Motitan@aol.com] Song of America, Shine, etc. [Alison E ] Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com [Em ] Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: DJRR 2: Big Yellow Taxi (now NJC) ["Randy Remote" ] Re: NJC Alida Valli [Catherine McKay ] Re: So far from Shine......? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Alida Valli [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: So far from Shine......? [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:37:35 +0100 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: River: The Joni Letters Hello peoples, Well I've just listened to the full preview of the Hancock album and I think its great. It's hard to be definitive on a first hearing but I liked the vocalists. Admittedly the woman singing Amelia sounds ...well... a bit bored..but maybe thats her style. Dunno. I think as covers go, this is pretty damned good Gordon in 'I feel winter coming on' Glasgow ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:47:54 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) YES, Mark--I believe you're absolutely correct, as I didn't see Claudette Colbert's name listed in the credits either. And I seem to recall that TCM (Turner Classic Movies) HAS shown the film before. Just keep an eye out for a repeat. ;-) XXXOOO, Billy ==================================== mark.travis@gte.net wrote: Hm. Not in 'Leonard Maltin's 2008 Movie Guide' and the IMDB doesn't show Claudette Colbert in the cast. But Claude Rains was a fine actor. Bette Davis always said he was her favorite actor. And I love Fay Bainter! Usually a supporting player but always first rate. She was Bette Davis's Aunt Belle in 'Jezebel' and also played Katharine Hepburn's illustrious aunt in 'Woman of the Year'. I'll have to be on the lookout for this one. Maybe TCM will run it some time. Interesting that it made such an impression on Joni. Must have been those cold Canadian winters that made her remember/relate to it. Mark E. in Seattle =================================== Wtking59@cs.com wrote: THANKS-A-BUNCH for revealing the film title ("White Banners") that Joni couldn't remember as the inspiration for her new song, "Hana." After a bit of research, I've learned that this 1938 film was based on one of Lloyd C. Douglas' "better living through faith" short stories (?), and--just as you suggested--Fay Bainter's Oscar-nominated role was actually spelled "Hannah Parmalee". It should also be noted that the Deborah Kerr character in John Huston's 1964 film version of Tennessee Williams' "The Night Of The Iguana" is named (and spelled in cast credits I've found) "Hanna Jelkes". I'm not exactly sure how Williams originally spelled it in his play, however, since he didn't pen the screenplay. So, perhaps Joni's "Hana" is actually a composite of BOTH characters ("HANNAH Parmalee" and "HANNA Jelkes")--thereby creating (voila!) "HANA". Just a thought (...and a possible explanation for the different spelling). XXXOOO, Billy NP: "The Pale Green Girl" (2004) by Penelope Houston ======================================== ckarma@hotmail.com wrote: From Joni's track by track for "Shine": 4. "Hana" "I wish I could remember the name of this great old movie from the '30s that I based this song on. The story is about a woman who literally shows up at a house in the middle of a blizzard. It's set in the Depression and she's selling kitchen utensils door to door. She literally comes in from the cold, sees the dire living situation of this school-teacher husband and his wife and kid, and becomes like an angel to them. She offers to be their maid, make their money stretch and get them back on the right track. Hana is a wily, street-wise, Irish woman who has a generous heart but also a hidden motive for being in this town: to visit her illegitimate son who was adopted by a rich family. I identified with her, but she was way ahead of me. She's exemplary in the way she dealt with life." Well Joni, the movie was 1938's "White Banners" directed by Edmund Goulding. Original music was by Max Steiner (woo hoo). Not a bad cast including Claude Rains, Claudette Colbert, Fay Bainter (Hannah or "Hana") and young Jackie Cooper. It was notable for a VERY REALISTIC depiction of the COLD INDIANA WINTER (think Griffith's "Way Down East"), which made the ending that much more gut wrenching. The character is referred to in literature I've found as "Hannah", not "Hana." Perhaps "Hana" is a Gaelic spelling? Perhaps this quote is indicative of "Hana"'s wise philosophy -- (The Schoolteacher, Paul Ward): "You don't think I have a fighting chance?" (Hannah): "I don't think you have a chance fighting." CC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:52:52 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: fascinating comments by Joni on each new track Thanks so much for posting this, Moni. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:39:18 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: NJC Alida Valli LOVELY name, Aleda--and indeed rather unique. Makes me think of the wonderful european film actress Alida Valli, who starred in Carol Reed's 1949 classic "The Third Man," as well as Hitchcock's "The Paradine Case" and the french cult-classic "Eyes Without A Face" (among several others). Occasionally billed as simply "Valli," she was sort of an update on--and quite similar to--the legendary Ingrid Bergman. Unfortunately, her career in Hollywood never really took off the way it should have. And, BTW--don't you (or didn't you) reside in Louisville, KY? HOWDY! The same place that I call home. ;-) XXXOOO, Billy ======================================= ajfashion@att.net wrote: Laura, actually AJ is my internet name. Only internet friends call me that. My real name is Aleda. It's been funny to meet IRL people I've known online or talk to them on the phone, because they think of me as AJ, which is not something I've been known as in my life. - --Aleda ======================================== LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: My son is getting a ride home with his friend AJ today. His best friend is JD. One of my best friends has a son named J. Frank. Southern thing? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:49:30 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: poet Anne Sexton, njc I like Anne Sexton . . . . maybe you will like this poem as I do. Marianne In Celebration of My Uterus from Love Poems [1969] Anne Sexton Everyone in me is a bird. I am beating all my wings. They wanted to cut you out but they will not. They said you are immeasurably empty but you are not. They said you were sick unto dying but they were wrong. You are singing like a school girl. You are not torn. Sweet weight, in celebration of the woman I am and of the soul of the woman I am and of the central creature and its delight I sing for you. I dare to live. Hello spirit. Hello, cup. Fasten, cover. Cover that does contain. Hello to the soil of the fields. Welcome, roots. Each cell has a life. There is enough here to please a nation. It is enough that the populace owns these goods. Any person, any commonwealth would say of it, "It is good this year that we may plant again and think forward to the harvest. A blight had been forecast and has been cast out." Many women are singing together of this: one is in a shoe factory cursing the machine, one is at the aquarium tending a seal, one is dull at the wheel of her Ford, one is at the toll gate collecting, one is tying the cord of a calf in Arizona, one is straddling a cello in Russia, one is shifting pots on a stove in Egypt, one is painting her bedroom walls moon color, one is dying but remembering a breakfast, one is stretching on her mat in Thailand, one is wiping the ass of her child, one is staring out the window of a train in the middle of Wyoming and one is anywhere and some are everywhere and all seem to be singing, although some can not sing a note. Sweet weight, in celebration of the woman I am let me carry a ten-foot scarf, let me drum for the nineteen-year-olds, let me carry bowls for the offering (if that is my part). Let me study the cardiovascular tissue, let me examine the angular distance of meteors, let me suck on the stems of flowers (if that is my part). Let me make certain tribal figures (if that is my part). For this thing the body needs let me sing for the supper, for the kissing, for the correct yes. _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_hotmailtextlink1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:01:40 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Poem_or_Lyrics=2C=A0=A0_njc?= Which half, Aleda? The "school" part or the "high" part? Bob NP: Prince, "Musicology" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:17:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Preview of River: The Joni Letters Sorry that you had that take on it, J - we have some opinions in common but some major disparities too. Norah's vocal is my fave (after Joni's of course) - her style is understated and that's what she brings to the party, letting Herbie's musicianship keep its perspective. I was afraid that Tina was going to go all Thunderdome-diva with EATK but she plays it straight up & respectful and I love that track too. Corinne Bailey Rae doesn't do anything for me - I didn't care for her album and I don't hear what most folks do, I guess. And it's really irritating when she sings "cuttin'" as "Kuh-In"...sounds like River in the 'hood. Though in defense of her I suppose it could be said that like Norah she's just singing in her own style. Bottom line is that I like Norah's style. At least Cohen knows he CAN'T sing his way out of a sandwich bag so he just talks. I love the take on "Jungle Line" and they bring the maximium amount of rhythmic sinister-ness to it. I agree that Souza's version of "Amelia" is somewhat lacking in terms of emotional involvement, but I still like it simply because the song itself is just so darn good. Give a listen to her take on "Down To You" on her own record and your opinion of her will climb a notch or two. It's important to remember that at the end of the day this is HERBIE HANCOCK's record and that's where the focus should be and is. I appreciate all of the vocalists as support for the playing and arrangements and the album gets two wiggly thumbs up from me. What's really confounding about the project is trying to gather up all of the "bonus tracks" that aren't included in the domestic release; Case of You, All I Want, Harlem In Havana, I Had A King and others. Bob NP: Aerosmith, "Movin' Out" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:19:14 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Poem=20or=20Lyrics,=A0=A0=20njc?= In a message dated 9/19/07 7:02:15 AM, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: > > > > Which half, Aleda? The "school" part or the "high" part? > > Bob > NP: Prince, "Musicology" > Hi Bob, Memories... There was never any half high about it for me. It is amazing I wasn't expelled. They never found my cooler of beer in the far stall in the bathroom, and we put out the sweet leaf before they knew who was toking it in the cafeteria. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: weird gigs....and then there are cooler ones (njc) Have a great gig, Victor! Hope the piano is a nice one for you to play. My friend is in a band, and they have an extremely weird gig coming up...at a "Purity Ball". sigh.... What the people hiring don't seem to know, is that guys in the band are nearly rapacious "devils in disguise" and here they are gonna be playing this Daddy/Daughter "purity" thing. My understanding is that video will be shot (by the band) and the event will later be blogged with their own take on it. Interesting world... Em - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > Yes, it can be rough being a musician but it can pay off too. Just > got a gig confirmed today which is pretty cool. There's a convention > > next weekend (29th&30th) at the World Congress Center in Atlanta, > Wine South, which will mostly be wine merchants, distributors, > vineyards, etc...but there's a man who designed his own grand piano > that can also play itself and do all sorts of cool things...and he > wants me to play it for four hours each day at his booth, so that > people will stop by and check it out. I can basically play whatever > > I want so I'll do mostly jazz, standards, broadway, pop, rock....I'll > > probably fit a few Joni songs in. Definitely, Chinese Cafe/Unchained > > Melody and Case of You, maybe For Free, or Willy....but definitely > not Free Willy...jk > > It certainly motivates me to practice. > > Victor > > NP: Braves and Marlins, neither of whom will be going to the > playoffs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:25:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: JMDL Banner on NY Concert Footage on You Tube There are (4) write-ups and pics of the lucky attendees at jmdl.com: http://jmdl.com/events/event.cfm?id=84 http://jmdl.com/events/event.cfm?id=43 http://jmdl.com/events/event.cfm?id=53 http://jmdl.com/events/event.cfm?id=85 Wish I had been one of the participants... Bob NP: Joni, "Coyote" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:02:10 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest 2007 DVDs Kenny asked: > I guess I missed this before; how many DVD's are there; how much are > they and from who/where do I order? > Hi Kenny! Adriano did the DVD's. There are three DVDs in the set, and he is very fair with the cost. I hope you can get copies if he has any left. His email address is: lucatell@ictp.it Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:50:52 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Poem or Lyrics,   njc - -------------- Original message from Bob.Muller@Fluor.com: -------------- > > Which half, Aleda? The "school" part or the "high" part? > Bob > NP: Prince, "Musicology" > ------------------------------------------------------------ I was pretty square and miserable in high school, so it was school. (Sad girl sitting in dark room reading Shakespeare and The Bell Jar, listening to Burt Bachrach and those Richard Harris albums that Jimmy Webb wrote--can you say loser!) At any rate I was so miserable I started flunking out and my parents asked what they could do. I said let me graduate early. Which I did. I went to the first half of high school in the Philippines and the second half in this grim county high school outside Myrtle Beach. Kind of major culture shock. - --Aleda, no fun till college ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:58:34 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: NJC Alida Valli - -------------- Original message from Wtking59@cs.com: -------------- > LOVELY name, Aleda--and indeed rather unique. Thanks, Billy. My parents were so certain I'd be a boy they hadn't chosen a girl's name. My mother wanted Stephanie; my father said, no way. Turns out when he'd gone to a one- room schoolhouse in Metcalfe County KY he'd know a much older girl named Aleda and swore one day he'd name his daughter that. Prince Valiant's girlfriend was also named Alida. I've met a couple of Alidas in my life, but never an Aleda. >. > > And, BTW--don't you (or didn't you) reside in Louisville, KY? > > HOWDY! The same place that I call home. ;-) I went to U of L and lived there my entire adult life until we moved to MS (hereafter known as the worst state) in 1990. I was there the day Carmichaels opened; I remember when the Bristol had a dozen tables (and I saw Barysnikov eating there!); the tornadoes in 1974; and when Tewligans ruled the world. I lived in the Triangle and at various times Crescent Hill and the Highlands. I miss Louisville. The river, the park system, my friends! I was back a year ago for a reading and book-signing at Carmichaels. Freaked them out because I was wearing their original tee shirt--and I think they turn 30 this year. Go Cards (though I'm still deeply ambivalent about the whole Pitino thing), Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:11:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Poem_or_Lyrics=2C=A0=A0_njc_now_High_Schoo l_daze?= Isn't that sort of universal? High School is tough, even for the beautiful and popular (of which I was neither). I think if you graph a self-esteem curve, those years are when it hits a nadir. Bob NP: Elton John, "Burn Down The Mission" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:14:32 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: RE: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) > From: Wtking59@cs.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:47:54 -0400> Subject: Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-)> To: joni@smoe.org> CC: mark.travis@gte.net; ckarma@hotmail.com>> YES, Mark--I believe you're absolutely correct, as I didn't see Claudette Colbert's name listed in the credits either. You guys are absolutely right! I stand corrected. Memory had my beams crossing "White Banners" with "Imitation of Life" although they are really not similar. I should have checked those movie sources. What can I say, I think I just have "CC" on the brain. CC "White flags of winter chimneys waving truce against the moon." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo. 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. Its our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:27:43 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Hannah, Hanna & Hana ;-) Personally, I'm all about Hana. Hannah is rotten to the core and Hanna is a liar. These are the woes of life... :) - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:30:20 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Mingus In a message dated 9/18/2007 9:26:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@sbcglobal.net writes: "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" is Mingus' tribute to Lester Young. Joni's lyric fleshes out the tribute. The JM.com "Lyric Glossary" defines "Pork Pie Hat" here: _http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=32_ (http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=32) Jim L. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks for the link. The other day I was watching Sex and the City and the following came up. The main character, Carrie, started dating a jazz musician who often wore a hat. Carrie's ex also met the jazz guy and in a state of jealousy started teasing her about him, referring to him at one point as "pork pie hat." - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:00:48 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Shine lyric for today..... So the days pass by the same if not worse as they always do, but hope is in the air with Shine coming out soon..... "Spirit of the water Give us all the courage and the grace To make genius of this tragedy unfolding The genius to save this place." - -Joni, the one and only - -M ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:15:26 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: So far from Shine......? So far from Shine (based on what we have heard here) what song is your favorite or more or less since it is too early to really tell, what song has the most potenial for you? - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:43:38 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: shine at walmart My sister just informed me: >joni mitchell will go on sale at wal mart for approximately 10.40 with tax >on >tues!!!!!!! >i just called them!! annette . _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:25:50 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: NJC The mind.... I have discovered, through my 22 years of life, that the mind is a powerful tool. I believe the mind to be more powerful than even the body. You can prevent illness with mind power alone just as you can "manifest" illness through the power of the mind. In addition, it can be your greatest benefactor propelling you to new highs and allowing you to explore new ideas. How wonderful is that? Sadly, very sadly indeed, it can be your worst enemy preventing you from even the simplest thing and dragging you down to the all too familiar lows. Normally, I for one can change the way I think and twist things to my benefit when a problem arises. I believe in mind over matter in all cases but it's such a pain when the mind is the enemy in a case....my apologies for my seemingly pointless and random ramblings. It makes sense to me but without going into detail may not make sense to you. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:40:28 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: shine at walmart $10.40 is a pretty good deal. I wonder how much Starbucks will have it for. I may, for only the second time in my life, go into Starbucks to buy "Shine" as Starbucks is 5 minutes away from my house (hey, I prefer tea and I might as well drink that at home for free). All the music stores and such (atleast not the insanely overpriced ones in the mall--which is 5 minutes from me but cds there go for $18.99) are atleast 20 minutes away. The city I live in has a damn mini mall (and a mall as I mentioned) on every corner on the two main roads that pass through it yet we have no decent music stores here. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:43:57 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC So far from Shine......? In a message dated 9/19/2007 11:23:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Motitan@aol.com writes: or more or less since it is too early to really tell, what song has the most potenial for you? - ---------------------------------------------------- Obviously "potenial" is not a word and not what I meant. Potential, potential, potential! God I can't stand typos..... - -Monika, who wishes to slam her head into the wall every time she makes a typo and it is left uncaught til it is too late.. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Song of America, Shine, etc. Hey guys, We got this collection at the community radio station where I DJ, and it's actually really good! I think it's almost worth buying just for the Martha Wainwright version of "I am Woman"...lol. It's an interesting and ecletic set. I'm also lucky enough to have gotten an advance copy of Shine...I've had it for a couple of weeks now, and I'm trying really hard to get into it. (Sort of a bad sign...). On the other hand, I was driving with my mom to see a concert last week, and I was tracking through Shine for her, and i realized I really liked some of the songs more than I thought. I don't want to taint anyone's first experience with the album, but I'll say this: my favorite tracks so far are If, Night of the Iguana, and Hana. Least favorite: BYT. I find that track completely pointless on this album, and quite frankly, lazy. Can't wait till its out and you've all heard it so the flame wars can begin, LOL! alison e. in slc NP: Rilo Kiley - ----- Original Message ---- From: JMDL Digest -------- Janet Reno's Vision? NJC ["Cassy" ] Will wonders never cease? Artists as diverse as John Mellencamp, Blind Boys of Alabama, Martha Wainwright, The Black Crowes and Andrew Bird contribute tracks to Song of America, a unique 50-song, three-CD set envisioned by former U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno and artist/producer Ed Pettersen. The album that was released Tuesday, September 18. The collection recounts the history of America in song, from 1492 through to modern times. Song of America provides listeners an artistic way to connect with America's vast musical and cultural heritage with new and varied renditions of beloved classics. This amazing compilation includes musical interpretations performed by contemporary artists spanning the gamut of folk, blues, rock, R&B, country, classical, and hip-hop genres. Janet Reno explains, "I thought that music would be a great way to engage listeners, especially young listeners, and spark their interest so they could gain a greater understanding and appreciation for our history. I am very proud to be associated with this collection of inspired performances." Warmly, Cassy NP: Joni & Herbie - Tea Leaf Prophecy (I am really enjoying this one) - ------------------------------ _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com anybody know from past experience when Amazon.com would probably ship the pre-ordered ones? thx Em "You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm." Sidonie Gabrielle Colette ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:56:38 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' Gotta say that I agree with your comments 100%. The huge majority of our more recent female artists--particularly the most popular ones, it seems--just aren't what they used to be back in the days when Joni, Laura Nyro, Janis Joplin and Grace Slick ruled the masses (and/or wowed the critics) with their own unique visions of iconic brilliance. Not by a LONG shot! :-( XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'About the Blues' (1957) by Julie London ===================================== jkendel2002@yahoo.com wrote: I just finished streaming 'River: The Joni Letters,' and I am feeling quite bewildered. I LOVE Herbie's arrangements and all the musicians' performances, but, except for Tina Turner and Leonard Cohen, all the other vocalists seem totally out of sync with the instrumentals -- almost as if they were listening to some other versions of these songs when they cut their vocals. No sensitivity to what's going on around them musically, no inventiveness, no sense of timing or meaningful phrasing. Am I the only one experiencing this? It's just struck me that it's only the youngsters I have a problem with. Tina at least finds her way into the ballpark and, admirably, delivers some vulnerable and daringly different vocal treatments than I have ever heard from her. And Leonard and company turned in the finest track on the record -- an exquisite performance that genuinely pays tribute to Ms. Mitchell's work as a writer. Very beat and steeped in Leonard and Joni's co-history. Spellbinding and iconic. Sadly, Norah Jones' performance is the most painful -- and I adore everything else I've ever heard her do. It sounds like they had the whole thing done before she came in to track the song, and it turned out to be in a key that wasn't right for her voice and at a pace that didn't allow her any time to do anything but rush to the next phrase. The other women sound like mediocre karaoke. I wish I could get this record without the singers on it, except for maybe Tina -- and Leonard, of course. I continue to admire all the artists on this record, but I just can't understand how anyone could have sat in the sessions when the younger artists cut their vocals and said, "Oh, yeah, that's it." I'm disappointed that Herbie didn't work with them to get more expressive, meaningful performances from them -- or get other vocalists to re-cut the tracks. I find the "sing-along" nature of their performances really annoying! Did no one have the guts to say, "Hmmm, okay... we're not quite there yet..."? J np: Momma, Ben Burgess ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:00:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com Amazon ships new releases on Monday - you can buy a next-day delivery for an extra charge if you want to be assured of getting it on its release date. I'm wondering when it will be available on I-tunes. Not that I'm going to buy it from there, just curious since downloading is more popular than hardcopy these days. 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Depending on your shipping method, this can mean a delay in getting the cd from 1 to?3 days. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: Em To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:04 am Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com anybody know from past experience when Amazon.com would probably ship the pre-ordered ones? thx Em "You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm." Sidonie Gabrielle Colette ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:17:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com hi Bob, so you think they might ship it Monday the 24th? that would be cool... What I was wondering is if it would be available on eMusic.com, as was Paul McCartney's last one. thx :) Em - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Amazon ships new releases on Monday - you can buy a next-day delivery > for > an extra charge if you want to be assured of getting it on its > release > date. > > I'm wondering when it will be available on I-tunes. Not that I'm > going to > buy it from there, just curious since downloading is more popular > than > hardcopy these days. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:31:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Alida Valli - --- ajfashion@att.net wrote: > -------------- Original message from > Wtking59@cs.com: -------------- > > > > LOVELY name, Aleda--and indeed rather unique. > > Thanks, Billy. My parents were so certain I'd be a > boy they > hadn't chosen a girl's name. My mother wanted > Stephanie; > my father said, no way. Turns out when he'd gone to > a one- > room schoolhouse in Metcalfe County KY he'd know a > much > older girl named Aleda and swore one day he'd name > his > daughter that. > > Prince Valiant's girlfriend was also named Alida. > I've > met a couple of Alidas in my life, but never an > Aleda. I knew an Aleta - maybe I'm not spelling it correctly, but it was pronounded that way (with a short e - maybe yours is a long e.) She was Dutch. Still miserable after all these years... Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:32:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: So far from Shine......? - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > So far from Shine (based on what we have heard > here) what song is your > favorite or more or less since it is too early to > really tell, what song has the > most potenial for you? > -Monika > The ones I haven't heard yet. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:37:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' - --- Wtking59@cs.com wrote: > Gotta say that I agree with your comments 100%. > > The huge majority of our more recent female > artists--particularly the most > popular ones, it seems--just aren't what they used > to be back in the days when > Joni, Laura Nyro, Janis Joplin and Grace Slick ruled > the masses (and/or wowed > the critics) with their own unique visions of iconic > brilliance. > > Not by a LONG shot! :-( > > I have to admit, most of them sound the same to me. I swear, I've become my mother. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:50:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' I guess you have to say that every era has its own "style" of singing for better or worse. We can certainly recognize and identify it throughout the years, but maybe it is less apparent when it is current. And today's type of "popular" singing is certainly not meant to attract most of us on the list. And the seasons, they go round and round.... Jerry > --- Wtking59@cs.com wrote: > >> Gotta say that I agree with your comments 100%. >> >> The huge majority of our more recent female >> artists--particularly the most >> popular ones, it seems--just aren't what they used >> to be back in the days when >> Joni, Laura Nyro, Janis Joplin and Grace Slick ruled >> the masses (and/or wowed >> the critics) with their own unique visions of iconic >> brilliance. >> >> Not by a LONG shot! :-( >> >> > > I have to admit, most of them sound the same to me. I > swear, I've become my mother. > > > Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:57:18 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: when you get shine Hey, ON THE DAY. . . . thE SPeciAL dAY that you get SHINE, LOG in and tell us WHERE and EXACTLY WHEN you GET IT! oaky? _________________________________________________________________ Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe. Claim your treat today! http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:04:12 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Alida Valli In a message dated 9/19/07 12:36:03 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > I knew an Aleta - maybe I'm not spelling it correctly, > but it was pronounded that way (with a short e - maybe > yours is a long e.) She was Dutch. > > Still miserable after all these years... > > > > > > Catherine > Hi Canadeeun, Who be miserable, and why come? Love, Alaura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:57:35 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: So far from Shine......? "One Week Last Summer".......so good to hear Joni on the piano. "This Place".....I love the tropical feel of it, kinda like NRH. and "Shine"..... What a wonderful melody, and her voice sounds better than it has in years. Mind you, I haven't read any of the lyrics yet. I like to listen to the music before getting into the lyrics. Happy Hump Day! Jimmy ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:41:16 -0400 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' I'm usually pretty good at being an old fogey, but I love the performances--vocal and instrumental--on the Hancock. Sounds a lot less synthetic than "Night of the Iguana," which I don't much care for. I'm not a neo-Luddite either, but I'd rather listen to actual instruments than to their simulated synthesizer facsimiles. Quoting Jerry Notaro : > I guess you have to say that every era has its own "style" of singing for > better or worse. We can certainly recognize and identify it throughout the > years, but maybe it is less apparent when it is current. And today's type of > "popular" singing is certainly not meant to attract most of us on the list. > And the seasons, they go round and round.... > > Jerry > > >> --- Wtking59@cs.com wrote: >> >>> Gotta say that I agree with your comments 100%. >>> >>> The huge majority of our more recent female >>> artists--particularly the most >>> popular ones, it seems--just aren't what they used >>> to be back in the days when >>> Joni, Laura Nyro, Janis Joplin and Grace Slick ruled >>> the masses (and/or wowed >>> the critics) with their own unique visions of iconic >>> brilliance. >>> >>> Not by a LONG shot! :-( >>> >>> >> >> I have to admit, most of them sound the same to me. I >> swear, I've become my mother. >> >> >> Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:44:29 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Preview of 'River: The Joni Letters' I'm glad to hear that, Richard. I truly love the cd and all of its performances, especially Tina Turner. Jerry > I'm usually pretty good at being an old fogey, but I love the > performances--vocal and instrumental--on the Hancock. Sounds a lot > less synthetic than "Night of the Iguana," which I don't much care > for. I'm not a neo-Luddite either, but I'd rather listen to actual > instruments than to their simulated synthesizer facsimiles. > Quoting Jerry Notaro : > >> I guess you have to say that every era has its own "style" of singing for >> better or worse. We can certainly recognize and identify it throughout the >> years, but maybe it is less apparent when it is current. And today's type of >> "popular" singing is certainly not meant to attract most of us on the list. >> And the seasons, they go round and round.... >> >> Jerry >> >> >>> --- Wtking59@cs.com wrote: >>> >>>> Gotta say that I agree with your comments 100%. >>>> >>>> The huge majority of our more recent female >>>> artists--particularly the most >>>> popular ones, it seems--just aren't what they used >>>> to be back in the days when >>>> Joni, Laura Nyro, Janis Joplin and Grace Slick ruled >>>> the masses (and/or wowed >>>> the critics) with their own unique visions of iconic >>>> brilliance. >>>> >>>> Not by a LONG shot! :-( >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I have to admit, most of them sound the same to me. I >>> swear, I've become my mother. >>> >>> >>> Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Night of the Iguana -- what it means to me I have been listening to Night of the Iguana repeatedly on one of the free streams. First of all I love the sound of it... yes synthesizers and all. But after a recent listen the meaning of the lyric revealed itself to me. Even though the song is written in the third person (he) it tells the tale of sexual desire from the lead character's point of view. He is a defrocked minister who had previously succumbed to his obsession and lost everything. And now he is being tempted by the "kid in the see-through blouse" and it seems as if everything is conspiring against him (the see-through blouse, the kid would appear to be the aggressor since she is moving in hard on this holy vows, the smell of the mercilessly sweet jasmine, the widow dancing on the beach with her lover boys, the steaming stars, the flagrant women, his screaming senses, and the spell of the night) and he fears he will once again lose everything. Here once again Joni reveals herself as a great songwriter. I believe most writers would be tempted to pass some kind of judgment on the defrocked minister or frame it in more politically correct terms or make the kid the victim and the minister a lecher. But Joni just presents the story as one of sexual desire and leaves it at that. I believe this is where it thematically connects with the rest of the album. Human desire can lead to destructive behavior whether it be individual loss or the destruction of the earth due to uncontrolled consumerism. And in the end, at least in this song, God is of no help even to a man who once devoted his life to the church. At least that's what it means to me... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:50:28 -0700 From: "L.Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: shine at walmart/now amazon.com Well, lately with Amazon it depends on what part of the country you're in and which distribution center you're getting shipped from. Lately for me some stuff ships the Saturday before, some the Monday before. Having worked in music retail I know which distributors have new releases drop shipped to your store on the Friday before and which ones don't drop until Monday so in many ways it's out of their hands. Now earlier this spring I was about to write Amazon off as they were cheaping out on the shipping method and it was taking 7 days to for new releases to get here. I suspect along with myself they got enough complaints that the last few months they seem to have rectified the problem. I'm back to getting new pre-ordered releases the day after or Thursday at the latest. I prefer when I can to buy from the one "indy" store left in Tucson when I want it on the street date but when I inquired about pre-ordering/reserving a copy there I got a big grief story about Starbucks distribution pricing and with what he'll have to pay wholesale to get the thing in his store he'll have to charge 16.98 just to break even on the title so he may not carry it at all. Sounds like there's some "greed" going on with this release and it's not going in Joni's pocket that's for sure. As for Wal-Mart, they could be giving the sucker away and it wouldn't entice me into one of their stores. Don't be too surprised if the Wal-Mart version has different cover art on it as god forbid we should see someone's bare ass on the cover of a CD.... Bruce >anybody know from past experience when Amazon.com would probably ship >the pre-ordered ones? >thx >Em > > > >"You will do foolish things, but do them with enthusiasm." > > Sidonie Gabrielle Colette ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Listen to 'Big Yellow Taxi 2007' http://zaphod.uk.vvhp.net/v-v/070918094931 Enjoy! - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. 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