From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #364 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 17 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 364 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Listen to "If" [Bob Muller ] "Shine" reviewed in today's Chicago Sun-Times [Deb Messling ] Re: poem and lyric, njc [Victor Johnson ] Re: singing Joni lyrics in the office [PassScribe@aol.com] Rolling Thunder Revue performance [motitan@aol.com] SHINE sales ["Richard Flynn" ] Don Juan's Reckless Recorder [Moni Kellermann ] njc, anti-war rally on tv right now [Patti Parlette ] bumper stickers njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Recorder ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Recorder (now NJC) [Moni Kellermann ] Olly Knights on Hejira [Gertus@aol.com] weird gigs (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Shine (njc) [Victor Johnson ] Third Sunday of Advent [Patti Parlette ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Recorder [Catherine McKay ] Chelsea Morning on youtube [Catherine McKay ] Shine lyric of the day..... [Motitan@aol.com] Mingus [Motitan@aol.com] Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE: Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc ["Richard Flynn" ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Poem=20or=20Lyrics=A0=20TEST,=A0=A0=20njc? = [LCStan] Re: Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc [Bob Muller ] Re: Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc [ajfashion@att.net] Joni Art Exhibit in NJC more info [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni's Art Exhibit in NYC more info [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: weird gigs (njc) [Motitan@aol.com] I Don't Know Where I Stand on Prairie Home Companion [J Kendel Johnson ] FW: [NortheastJonifest] SJC-Jonifest 2007 (set of DVDs) and Joni, "Miss Renaissance Woman '07" [JILL ] Re: Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc [Debra ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 04:31:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Listen to "If" http://helplessdancer.vox.com/library/post/new-news---joni-mitchell.html Also features "Night Of The Iguana" in case you couldn't get the Rolling Stone link to work. Makes the wait a bit more bearable. Bob NP: Joni Mitchell, "If" - --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:37:20 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: "Shine" reviewed in today's Chicago Sun-Times Social study REVIEW | Joni Mitchell's latest effort an uplifting, graceful commentary September 16, 2007 BY THOMAS CONNER tconner@suntimes.com You know it never has been easy Whether you do or you do not resign Whether you travel the breadth of extremities Or stick to some straighter line - -- Joni Mitchell, "Hejira" Joni Mitchell is a restless woman, a fact for which she is both praised and cursed. Just when you settle into her groove, she's off dabbling in something totally different. She's a folk singer -- no, she's a pop star -- no, she's an avant-garde jazzbo -- whew, don't look now, she's recording with the philharmonic. Indeed, she has never stuck to a straight line. It's that same restless spirit that caused her to announce several years ago that she was done, retiring, sick of the industry's "cesspool" and going off to paint and record no more. But that restlessness also was bound to bring her back. When you're an artist who thinks and feels deeply about the world and its environment, it's not easy to stay sidelined when she disagrees with the people running our country. So Joni's back, toting an album -- "Shine," out Sept. 25 on Starbucks' Hear Music label -- that addresses political, social and environmental concerns with the most grace of her career thus far. What that means is, she's written a bunch of protest songs that don't sound like protest songs. Not what we commonly think of in the sometimes strident, Woody Guthrie, three-chords-and-the-truth manner. That jazzbo side of her is still alive here, twisting the chords and crafting arrangements with supple saxes and fretless bass. She's rediscovered her piano, it seems, and plants most of her notions within beautiful ballads. She doesn't shout or rail or wail. This is a welcome evolutionary step (sometimes even pleasantly regressive) beyond the didactic drudgery of her previous attempts at explicit moralizing -- see "Sex Kills," "Lakota," "Tax Free," etc. Much of the time on "Shine," carried along on the warm currents of song, you might not even know you're being proseletyzed. In fact, Mitchell, a woman known for the gift of gab, doesn't rush into her surprise comeback blathering at all. The first song is a quiet statement -- an instrumental. She comes out of the gate with "One Week Last Summer," a pastoral little concerto between piano and woodwinds with seven verses, one for each day of a sublime week she spent in her house by the shore. At jonimitchell.com, she describes the inspiration behind this piece: "I stepped outside of my little house and stood barefoot on a rock. The Pacific Ocean rolled toward me. Across the bay, a family of seals sprawled on the kelp uncovered by the low tide. A blue heron honked overhead. All around the house the wild roses were blooming. The air smelled sweet and salty and loud with crows and bees. My house was clean. I had food in the fridge for a week. I sat outside 'til the sun went down. That night the piano beckoned for the first time in 10 years." Ah, the languid life of a rich Boomer singer. But it's this peaceful, personal place from which she works through her more universal issues. The next song, "This Place," ruminates on a conversation with her neighbor about her 'hood's natural beauty, into which Mitchell injects her backhanded warning: Here come the toxic spills Miners poking all around When this place looks like a moonscape Don't say I didn't warn ya In the title track -- only one of two songs on the album with any percussion -- she exhorts someone to "let your little light shine," but she carries it beyond that allusion to simpler pop songs from a simpler time. She wants the light to shine like a journalist, or a redeemer: Shine on rising oceans and evaporating seas Shine on our Frankenstein technologies Shine on science With its tunnel vision Shine on fertile farmland Buried under subdivisions Only in "If I Had a Heart," a perfectly pleasant piano-driven number cluttered by too many synthesizers, does the litany of world woes -- "holy war, genocide, suicide" -- get a bit too heavy-handed. She even revisits "Big Yellow Taxi," which given that the disc is coming out on the Starbucks label seems at first glance to be a mere cash-in. You could almost hear the executive, setting down his mochaccino, saying, "This is great, Joan, but we need at least one hit our customer base will recognize, something that crosses all markets." But, cynical as she is about world affairs, the new recording of this oft-covered old chestnut fits right into the theme of the disc, as well as her recent penchant for reinterpretting her own catalog. What sometimes has been lost in all those bouncy covers and bop-bop-bops over the years is that this is a deeply green piece of songwriting. Amid "Shine's" other tuneful laments about clear-cutting and senseless wars, her worry about paving over paradise is (gulp, after all these decades) still a going concern. It all shines, truly -- the most accessible album she's made in some time. And it ends on a hopeful note, an adaptation of Rudyard Kipling's quotable poetry, called "If." Whether you've enjoyed the album as a soundtrack to a pleasant late-summer evening on the lanai or a private meditation on the spirit of the world, Mitchell (with Herbie Hancock playing piano, fresh from his own tribute disc to her, "River: The Joni Letters") encourages us in our paths to follow a straighter line. Cause you've got the fight You've got the insight You've got the fight You've got the insight - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:41:05 +0000 From: "Owen Duff" Subject: Re: Subject: Listen to Joni's "Night Of The Iguana" I quite like the song, the verse has a hook to it even though there isn't really an obvious chorus... not sure about the mix though, her voice is too low and the instruments around it far too strident. Lycos email has 300 Megabytes of free storage... Get it now at mail.lycos.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:52:14 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: poem and lyric, njc Hi everyone, I wanted to say that I have really enjoyed the discussion on the poem and lyric thing. I though it was very rich and passionate. . and I appreciate everyone who thought to write about it. (and I am not tired of it) It was really groovy to consider all of that. I really mean it. . . one of the many things I love about being a part of theJMDL. I lOve you. Marianne theJMDL theJMDL theJMDL XOXOXO From: ajfashion@att.net I imagine I'm not the only person on this list who is now looking forward to the 25th for reasons other than getting to hear "Shine." Maybe then we can let this thread die . . _________________________________________________________________ Share your special parenting moments! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:35:07 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: poem and lyric, njc I have enjoyed this discussion as well. We don't all have to agree on everything. I especially like what Lucy said ...in the end it really doesn't matter. I also thought today about a couple of songs, Rush "Xanadu" and Iron Maiden "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" which were based on the poems by Samuel Taylor Coleridge. Great songs and great poems...merged together. Anyway, art is all about merging, transcending, breaking barriers, breaking rules, coming together. Creativity, serendipity... That's where it's at. Victor On Sep 16, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I wanted to say that I have really enjoyed the discussion on the > poem and lyric thing. > > I though it was very rich and passionate. . and I appreciate > everyone who thought to write about it. (and I am not tired of it) > > It was really groovy to consider all of that. > > I really mean it. > . . one of the many things I love about being a part of theJMDL. > > I lOve you. > Marianne > > theJMDL > theJMDL > theJMDL > XOXOXO ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:56:31 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: singing Joni lyrics in the office In a message dated 9/16/07 3:01:44 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: Patti Parlette > Subject: sjc, Sometimes we do > > Thanks for making me smile on this Sunday Morning when I'm not feeling too well. Kenny B ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:45:06 -0400 From: motitan@aol.com Subject: Rolling Thunder Revue performance http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/ConcertDetail.aspx?id=26601|6061 (copy and paste!) Enjoy!? This is from the Rolling Thunder Revue concert from '75 which features a few songs by Joni.? - -Monika ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:46:14 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: SHINE sales Even before it reaches the first Starbucks, SHINE is #35 in Amazon's bestselling CD list. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:26:38 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Don Juan's Reckless Recorder Don Juan's Reckless Recorder Back to the classroom, list! Now that everybody has (hopefully) learned that a song lyric is not a poem (and vice versa), even if you feeeel that it is, here's the latest lesson: "How to get that streaming stuff into your mp3 player". Note: this is a tutorial for Windows only. 1. RECORD ========= 1. Get the freeware WMRecorder: http://shplanet.com/planet/tools/wmr80.zip This is a rather old and not so fancy looking piece of software but it is the last version of this program that is free. The download is only 175 KB. 2. Unzip and install the program. It will create a download folder in C:\MRecord unless you set something else in the settings. 3. When you run the program, you can choose between "browse" and "url" recording mode. Select "url". 4. A new program window will appear with a text field "URL". 5. Erase the letters URL and replace them with http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/audio/asx/Joni_Mitchell_If.asx 6. Type in "Joni Mitchell - If" in the "file name" text field. 7. Click "record" in the program's menu bar. 8. The recording will take a few minutes. 9. When done, you will have a file called "Joni Mitchell - If.asf" (size: 5.236 KB). It's only 128 KBps which is always worse than the CD sound but still better than nothing, I suppose. 2. PLAYBACK =========== 1. You can play that file with some media player already installed on your system, like Windows Media Player. 2. I recommend the really useful freeware KMPlayer instead. Why? Not only does it play all kind of audio files, it will also let you view DVD, VCD, any video format, including flash video for viewing those flv files you grabbed off YouTube or Dailymotion and such. 3. Get KMPlayer here: http://www.download.com/The-KMPlayer/3000-2139_4-10659940.html 3. CONVERT ========== 1. To make that song play on your mp3 player, you have to convert it. For this you can use the freeware Batch Audio Converter. Get it here: http://www.medafan.com/wmawmv-converter/ 2. Install the program. When you start it, select the upper left symbol on the menu bar and select the asf file from the folder (like C:\MRecord\). 3. Select far right symbol on the menu bar (Options). For "Encoder options" select "lame encoder". Click the "setup" button below to set the bitrate. Choose 128 KBps (as we know that the source file is 128 KBps, it doesn't make sense to select a higher bitrate than that - it would only increase the file size but not make it sound better). Click "ok" and close the settings window. 4. Click the symbol which looks like a gearwheel from the menu bar. The program will now convert the asf file to wav and then to mp3. You can delete the wav file later (or set to automatically deletion in the program's settings). 5. Now you have your shiny;) new Joni Mitchell - If.mp3 file which you can transfer to your mp3 player. 4. HOMEWORK =========== To practice what you just learned, you may repeat the above steps by recording and converting the other track, Night of the Iguana. Use http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/audio/asx/Joni_Mitchell_Night_of_The_Iguana.asx as the recording URL. Enjoy! moni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:25:59 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: njc, anti-war rally on tv right now real quick: right now (11 a.m. EST) c-span is showing parts of yesterday's rally. i had the urge for going, but couldn't, so it's great to be able to see this. power to the people! peace, pp _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:20:24 +0100 From: Garret Subject: RE: Listen to Joni's "Night Of The Iguana" Bob, thanks for posting this link. I have not had time to read digests lately and just happened to pop into that one. I am enjoying Night of the Iguana. The music is at least as good as i had been afraid to hope (you know what i mean, i'm sure). Thanks GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:46:09 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Listen to "If" Bob, thank you! "If" fitted my mood perfectly this Sunday afternoon. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bob Muller Skickat: den 16 september 2007 13:31 Till: JMDL Kopia: Patti Parlette Dmne: Listen to "If" http://helplessdancer.vox.com/library/post/new-news---joni-mitchell.html Also features "Night Of The Iguana" in case you couldn't get the Rolling Stone link to work. Makes the wait a bit more bearable. Bob NP: Joni Mitchell, "If" - --------------------------------- Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:13:33 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: bumper stickers njc So patti, what do your two bumper stickers say? The best one I saw, many years ago & I never saw the same one again, was 'the religious right is neither' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:58:38 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Recorder Moni, you always have excellent computer advice, I appreciate it and have learned a lot. A couple of different programs that I use are: "Audio Recorder For Free" from download.com This will record any streaming (anything that plays on your soundcard, that is, anything you can hear through your speakers) and will output in your choice of formats; wav, mp3, etc. (Hint for setup: choose "stereo mix" or "mono mix" for source, experiment with record levels). "CDex" conversion program changes cd/cda/wav to mp3 and vice versa, you can choose the bitrate. It does batches. Google to find it. They both work really well, and both are free. Happy Reckless Recording, RR > http://www.concordmusicgroup.com/audio/asx/Joni_Mitchell_Night_of_The_Iguana.asx > > as the recording URL. > > Enjoy! > moni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:33:51 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Recorder (now NJC) Wie Randy Remote so vortrefflich formulierte: > A couple of different programs that I use are: > "Audio Recorder For Free" from download.com > This will record any streaming (anything that plays > on your soundcard, that is, anything you can hear > through your speakers) and will output in your > choice of formats; wav, mp3, etc. I use No23 Recorder for that: http://www.no23.de/no23web/MP3_OGG_Aufnahme_Software.aspx?smi=1 The reason why I described the record/convert method is simply that you don't have to catch the beginning and end of a song. You record the song file. For me personally that is the easier way to do. Besides, WMRecorder will also grab streaming video. And if you record something that may run for an half hour or longer, you can leave the computer unattended and the program will save that file and stop recording at the end of the transmission. With the "record whatever is played on my soundcard" you have to sit and catch the beginning and end or, if you don't, edit the file later. moni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:45:19 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Shine release Germany Here in Germany "Shine" will NOT be released through Starbucks at all. That is probably due to the fact that they don't have stores all over the country. Instead, the album will be distributed by Universal, as an import I guess as there is no info on the Universal Germany website. Official release date for Germany is September 28. The cheapest price I could find so far is 14.99 EUR: http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/poprock/detail/-/hnum/5998834 BTW, you can do some cool currency conversion on Google. You simply type something like 14.99 eur in usd into the search box and it will give you "14.99 Euros = 20.792629 U.S. dollars" as a result. :)) moni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:25:03 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Olly Knights on Hejira Olly Knights is lead singer of UK band, Turin Breaks. Here he credits Hejira with helping him find his way in music and life generally. _Going for a song - - Times Online_ (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/music/article2441072.ece) It's worth a read. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:39:59 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: weird gigs (njc) Saw a listing at GSU last week looking for musicians. Charlene, the music school secretary (who' s hooked me up with a lot of gigs) told me about it but prefaced it by saying the lady she spoke to made a big point of saying how they couldn't offer any payment, which always irks her because there's this prevailing attitude that musicians don't need to be paid because they're "not really doing anything" which is absurd and idiotic but anyway, I still called to check it out and found out it was for this local crafts market in the Pine Lake community, next to the lake. Initially she had wanted some jazz, which I've been doing quite a lot of (solo jazz piano) and generally get paid anywhere from $75 to $125 an hour. I recently booked a gig for the College of Education and have a couple of other possibilities hanging in the air. Anyway, I wasn't really interested in doing a free gig but then I thought, well if I do my singer/ songwriter stuff instead on guitar, I could always use some exposure and just do my original music which I enjoy playing more anyway. So she said that was fine, at this point they were pretty open to anything, and she said that she could pay me $25. So she calls back a couple of days later, and says she can't pay anything but that I would be scheduled to play at 1pm. So today, I drive to Pine Lake (about 20 minutes) and get to the lake and see a few art booths but no stage or music. I turn around, and drive back around the lake but still don't see anything. So I finally just park and ask one of the artists where the music is. She says its around the lake so I walk about a hundred yards away, and there, on the side of the lake, is a stage with mics, monitors, a soundboard, sound engineer....the whole nine yards. And its nowhere near the artists market! At this point, I'm thinking WTF? I ask the sound engineer why everything's so far away and he says the organizer wanted people to be able to talk to each other and apparently didn't want the music to interfere. Are you kidding me? She goes to all this trouble to line up some good music but is so afraid the music will be "too loud", she sets it up way around the lake so you can't even see the people you're playing for. I was pretty pissed off at that point and part of me wanted to bail on the whole thing but I thought I'd just make the best of it, as it was a beautiful day and a nice setting by the lake, even if there were no people around anywhere near. To top off the absurdity of it all, I see a kid walking down the lake, all the way over to the stage where I'm sitting, waiting to start playing. She brings what is a big clear plastic drink cooler turned into a tip jar. A tip jar for all the people who aren't there. And she tells me that I should "keep an eye on it" as if someone's going to steal a plastic cooler without a lid. The sound guy himself was really nice. And everything sounded great. Played mostly originals as well as a few covers, "Golden Lady", "Soulshine", "You and I", "Box of Rain", "Into the Mystic"....Was good practice and you couldn't have asked for a better setting. As much as I wanted to do, I didn't say anything to her because I don't believe in exacerbating negativity...its always better to turn things around and make something positive out of the situation (You gotta let your soulshine...) but it does piss me off how people take advantage of musicians and just take it for granted. She wants to be able to advertise and say we're going to have all this awesome music but when it comes down to the actual event, the music is pushed around the lake, so far around, that you might think there are two completely different events going on....and people driving by might wonder to themselves, who are these people on this stage, singing to nobody? Victor NP: Falcons at Jaguars ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:06:12 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Shine (njc) This is marked njc because actually has nothing to do with Joni Mitchell Shine. I had been working on a song for awhile, called "Shine" and have gotten it to some stage of completion. Since there's been so much discussion about lyrics and poetry and whatnot I thought I would post them. I love the music that goes with the words. You can just imagine it in your head if you like. It's really just a coincidence that it has the same name as the new album. Shine (c) 2007 Victor Johnson Looking for an open door A message for your mind Forgetting all you knew before Remembering what you find You're flying, your feet on the floor You will not cry anymore chorus: Searching high for the sound Looking out all around Catching light from afar How you shine, you're a star People turn you upside down They shake you all around They make you think you've lost your mind They trample you on the ground Oh but if only they knew The beauty that I see in you chorus interlude You're on your feet, you've gone to greet The morning with a smile The one that you've been thinking of Just for a little while But what if you've known all along This is where your heart belongs chorus x 2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:22:33 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: Third Sunday of Advent Third Candle Color: Purple or pink (or rose, as Laura suggested) Theme: Joy Third Sunday in Advent The theme is JOY today, as in: as we wait in joyful anticipation for the coming of our SIQUOMB, Joni Mitchell. It won't be long yeh, yeh, It won't be long yeh, yeh, It won't be long yeh, yeh, Till Shine belongs to you. Joni, Since you left me I'm so alone, Now you're coming, you're coming home, I'll be good like I know I should, You're coming home, you're coming home. I was just reading the Sunday paper, and on page two of the Arts Section they always list the week's coming attractions for movies and music ("in stores Tuesday"). And then my heart flipped, as it dawned on me that next Sunday -- a mere week from today -- Joni will be there. Woooo hooooo! I know I will have a pre-meditated FREAK OUT when I see: Joni Mitchell --- Shine Another pinch me moment! And then her name will be in the news, everything's first class. I am going to need tranquilizers! On page three, they have "SPOTLIGHT" for other things, usually one for books and one for music. They'd better let a little light shine on SHINE next week or they'll be hearing from Parlette and her deep complaint. FWIW, this week the music SPOTLIGHT is this: "Just can't get enough of the Summer of Love? Here's another mutli-media collection, this time from Rhino Records: "Love Is the Song We Sing, San Francisco Nuggets, 1965-1970." This set comes with four CDs titles: "Seismic Rumbles," "Suburbia," "Summer of Love" and the "Man Can't Bust Our Music." A glossy 120-page book gives a track-by track history by Alex Palao, about 50 pages of gallery portraits and essays. The collection includes some obscure groups such as : Frumious Bendersnatch ("Hearts to Cry") (TIC! If I had a heart, I'd cry), Teddy & His Patches ("Suzy Creamcheese") and Butch Engle & The Styx ("Hey I'm Lost") as well as the familiar Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane and Janis Joplin." Whatever. Ooby shooby. Flip City. It all comes down to Joni, in nine days. Number nine, number nine, number nine.... In joyful anticipation, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever  Get MORE with Windows Live Hotmail.. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:58:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Recorder - --- Moni Kellermann wrote: > Don Juan's Reckless Recorder > > > Back to the classroom, list! > > Now that everybody has (hopefully) learned that a > song lyric is not a > poem (and vice versa), even if you feeeel that it > is, here's the latest > lesson: > > "How to get that streaming stuff into your mp3 > player". > > Note: this is a tutorial for Windows only. > > Moni! Excellent! This worked very well. Thanks for the very clear instructions. Now I have both "If" and "Iguana" on my computer! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:21:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Chelsea Morning on youtube This is kind of sweet - Joni sings Chelsea Morning with various artwork representing sections of the song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRjwjbB-xUI Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:58:21 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Shine lyric of the day..... Since sleep is something I never get on weekends....and certainly you could probably do yourself the favor of getting more as well, I find these lyrics fitting today... "Let your little light shine Let your little light shine Shine on the dazzling darkness That restores us in deep sleep Shine on what we throw away And what we keep...." - -Joni - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:09:33 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Mingus So my Joni journey continues along very nicely. I just bought "Mingus" yesterday from a store called the Xchange. I was almost certain I was going to have to buy it online since it had been hard to find prior to me getting it yesterday. I went to this store the Xchange in one city to see if they had the album only to find out it was at another location, a location which I called the previous day whom denied having it. But since this store is a used/buy/sell music store I suppose someone must have just sold it to the store or the employee who I called on the phone didn't bother checking. Either way, it was a win win situation as the album is now in my collection. I haven't given the album my "three listens" yet so I can't write a review on it or offer any opinions. I did listen to it in my car on my way to work this morning but I was more than half asleep driving at 5 AM so I'm not sure how much I really picked up. Even so, my rule of giving an album three listens before placing any judgement on it requires the isolation in my room with just me, my headphones, and the cd. My full attention is needed to really absorb an album...so give me a few days and you shall read my review on Joni's ever so controversial "Mingus." All I can say today is the line, "God must be a boogie man," is stuck in my head. I don't remember any of the other words but just that part with Joni singing and then the backing vocals of whoever is singing responding with the same. - -Monika, excited about Mingus and exciting about Shine's release soon to be... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:18:02 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc POEM OR LYRICS? (The only condition for playing is that you don't recognize these ahead of time as being from a poem or from lyrics.) Number ONE: Sparkling trees of Silver foam Cast shadows soft in winter's home Swaying branches breaking sound In lonely forests trembling ground Number TWO: Where are your letters? The mailman is an imposter He is actually my grandfather He floats far off into the storm With his nicotine mustache and his bag of nickles Number THREE: Wise men spoke the vision Of the spirit horses way Like a saviour he has a mission From the ashes of the plains All the souls of mighty warriors Are carried in his veins All the hopes of ancient nations Are flowing through his mane Number FOUR: It must be Friday by now I admit I have been lying Days don't freeze And to say that the snow has quietness in it Is to ignore the possibilities of the word Only the tree has quietness in it Quiet as the crucifix ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:45:03 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc I'm assuming you removed all punctuation. Here's my best guess: One: Lyrics Two: Poem (though not a good one judging from the lines) Three: Lyrics Four: Poem (out of context of the whole poem I can't tell whether good or bad) Generally speaking, I'd say the lyrics are more accomplished than the poetry, especially number three. How'd I do? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of LCStanley7@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 6:18 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: treegreen1@hotmail.com Subject: Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc POEM OR LYRICS? (The only condition for playing is that you don't recognize these ahead of time as being from a poem or from lyrics.) Number ONE: Sparkling trees of Silver foam Cast shadows soft in winter's home Swaying branches breaking sound In lonely forests trembling ground Number TWO: Where are your letters? The mailman is an imposter He is actually my grandfather He floats far off into the storm With his nicotine mustache and his bag of nickles Number THREE: Wise men spoke the vision Of the spirit horses way Like a saviour he has a mission From the ashes of the plains All the souls of mighty warriors Are carried in his veins All the hopes of ancient nations Are flowing through his mane Number FOUR: It must be Friday by now I admit I have been lying Days don't freeze And to say that the snow has quietness in it Is to ignore the possibilities of the word Only the tree has quietness in it Quiet as the crucifix ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:52:03 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Poem=20or=20Lyrics=A0=20TEST,=A0=A0=20njc? = In a message dated 9/16/07 5:45:23 PM, rflynn@frontiernet.net writes: > I'm assuming you removed all punctuation. Here's my best guess: > > One: Lyrics > Two: Poem (though not a good one judging from the lines) > Three: Lyrics > Four: Poem (out of context of the whole poem I can't tell whether good or > bad) > > Generally speaking, I'd say the lyrics are more accomplished than the > poetry, especially number three. > > How'd I do? > I'll let you know after others have guessed too. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:33:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc Lyrics - Poem - Lyrics - Poem That's my guess & I'm sticking to it. Bob NP: Sufjan, "The Undivided Self (For Effie & Popo) - --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:41:19 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc Quite frankly none of these is very good, though the language is most interesting in Number Two. It's hard to tell from a short passage whether something is a poem or lyrics, but here's my shot at it: One--lyrics Two--poem Three--lyrics Four--poem - --AJ - -------------- Original message from LCStanley7@aol.com: -------------- > POEM OR LYRICS? > > (The only condition for playing is that you don't recognize these ahead of > time as being from a poem or from lyrics.) > > > Number ONE: > > Sparkling trees of Silver foam > Cast shadows soft in winter's home > Swaying branches breaking sound > In lonely forests trembling ground > > > Number TWO: > > Where are your letters? > The mailman is an imposter > He is actually my grandfather > He floats far off into the storm > With his nicotine mustache and his bag of nickles > > > Number THREE: > > Wise men spoke the vision > Of the spirit horses way > Like a saviour he has a mission > From the ashes of the plains > All the souls of mighty warriors > Are carried in his veins > All the hopes of ancient nations > Are flowing through his mane > > > Number FOUR: > > It must be Friday by now > I admit I have been lying > Days don't freeze > And to say that the snow has quietness in it > Is to ignore the possibilities of the word > Only the tree has quietness in it > Quiet as the crucifix > > > > ************************************** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:49:51 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Joni Art Exhibit in NJC more info The actual event evening Setember 25th is by invitation only and there is limited seating and space. The exhibition of her art and the album may be heard and viewed at the event space (OPENHOUSE in the Village, 201 Mulberry St) from the 26th to the 6th of October from 11 to 7 p.m. closed Monday rosie ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:03:55 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Joni's Art Exhibit in NYC more info initially I had NJC instead of NYC in the subject line......sorry I'm a little tired lol The actual event evening Setember 25th is by invitation only and there is limited seating and space. The exhibition of her art and the album may be heard and viewed at the event space (OPENHOUSE in the Village, 201 Mulberry St) from the 26th to the 6th of October from 11 to 7 p.m. closed Monday rosie ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:05:41 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: weird gigs (njc) Well I'm glad you did make the best of it. As you said, it was at the least, good practice. There's never any harm in playing. I also agree that many people try to take advantage of musicians. I see this all the time, just locally as well. Musicians provide a service therefore they are actually doing something. Of course I don't have to explain this to you or anyone on this list but there are those who would need some explaining. Anyone else who would be "hired" to provide any sort of service would be paid. Funny how musicians somehow get the pass..... - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:32:22 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: I Don't Know Where I Stand on Prairie Home Companion I've been traveling and away from email... has anyone mentioned Red House Records' Prudence Johnson delivering a beautiful performance of "I Don't Know Where I Stand" on the live broadcast of Prairie Home Companion last night (Sat, Sept 15)? I happened to be in the audience at the Fitzgerald Theater in St. Paul for the broadcast, and I definitely perked up when Garrison Keillor announced "here's Prudence Johnson with a song by Joni Mitchell". Looks like they don't have the show archive available on the PHC website yet, but when they do, it will be here: http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/ Prudence was accompanied on dobro by Jerry Douglas (www.JerryDouglas.com), and PHC extraordinary "house musicians" Richard Dworsky on piano and Gary Raynor on acoustic (upright) bass, and I was struck all over again by the beauty of the song. And Prudence's voice (though I would guess that she's in her 40s) was reminiscent of Joni's voice in her 20s -- at the time she recorded the song -- without any apparent attempt to imitate her. I hope it will be included in the archives at PHC. It will make a great addition to the JMDL Joni covers collection. J (now back in Dallas) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:01:03 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: RE: Listen to Joni's "Night Of The Iguana" Hi Bob and All, After the steaming heat of a dog day afternoon, I now belong to a cool, breezy evening on this beautiful Night Of The Iguana, thanks to you. I feel this heart of mine beat anxiously with the seconds in time until Shine shall be released. Jean Garret wrote: Bob, thanks for posting this link. I have not had time to read digests lately and just happened to pop into that one. I am enjoying Night of the Iguana. The music is at least as good as i had been afraid to hope (you know what i mean, i'm sure). Thanks GARRET - --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:00:03 +0000 From: Patti Parlette Subject: sjc, Two Poets Walk Into a Bar (Marilyn Nelson at the Mermaid Cafe) Bon soir! This is especially for Richard, but others may be interested, too. A handful of you may remember my (love is a) story (told) about meeting Marilyn Nelson at the Impeach Bush rally in May. Here's a photo, although Marilyn and I are not in it (we were behind the photographer). http://www.impeachbush.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5195&security=1&news_iv_ctrl=1041 (Another shameless plug for impeachment.) Review session: She was standing on a noisy corner, and I went up to introduce myself. I thanked her for the excellent commencement speech she gave at my son's high school graduation. She was open and gracious. She introduced me to her son (who went to the same high school as my sons) who is now at UNC, Chapel Hill. Eager to ask what she thought of Joni, I told her that I have a friend who goes to UNC and then leapt too far and asked: "Do you know Joni Mitchell?" I was going to explain how I met Joseph on the JMDL, and then segue into Joni, but before I could she looked confused (ma faute) and asked: "Joni Mitchell goes to UNC????" LOL... I explained the connection and we laughed. She then asked how my son was, and I told her the story about his close call with the military recruiters. As another mother for peace, she understood and shared my great relief. She is such a lovely person. I was really honored to meet her. I shared that story here and was thrilled to find out that Richard was a big part of her 2005 Lion and the Unicorn Award for Excellence in North American Poetry Award. Small Joni world. I love it when that happens! Pardon the long introduction/prologue/rambling/whatever. I'm really writing to share something I saw in the paper today. The title of the article made me laugh, in light of the discussion here recently about poetry and all. **** Two Poets Walk Into a Bar The extraordinary "Ordinary Evenings" are happening again in New Haven. The monthly reading series, which features emerging and established poets and novelists, opens Tuesday at 7 p.m. at the Mermaid Room (CAFE!) downstairs at the Anchor Bar, 272 College St., New Haven. The season opener will present Marilyn Nelson, the former state poet laureate, whose work has won numerous prizes. She also is the founder and director of Soul Mountan Retreat, an artists' colony in Connecticut. Also on the program in Sarah Pemberton Strong, a poet and author of the 2002 novel, "Burning the Sea." Begun in 2005, the informal program,which takes its name from the Wallace Stevens poem "An Ordinatry Evening in New Haven," is free and open to drinkers and non-drinkers alike who visit the bar. For information, call 203-865-1512, or visit http://www.ordinaryevening.blogspot.com/ - -- Carole Goldberg Hartford Courant **** I'd love to go but I already have a reservation for Wally Lamb's talk and book-signing at 6:30 right on campus. New Haven is a bit of a trek on a school night. Pleasant dreamland, Joniamigos. Just think: only one more full work week before we all get to Shine! Love & Peace, Patti P., hoping this message is coherent (not inchoate) because I wrote it in between commercials during the Yankees vs. Red Sox game. (Damn Yankees. Go Sox!) _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:03:36 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: I Don't Know Where I Stand on Prairie Home Companion Ahhh...I'm going to have to pull out "Clouds" now and listen to that one again. IDKWIS is one of my favorite early Joni tunes. I recently rejoined the JMDl after several years of absence. I was never a heavy poster, but it is nice to see so many of the old, er, faces here again. What a great Joni month! I am as excited for Herbie Hancock and Chaka Khan's albums as I am for Shine. I listened to If and The Night of the Iguana today, and was impressed by both. Interesting footnote to the Tennessee Williams coversation: Ava Gardner played Maxine Faulk ("the widow" in Joni's song) in the film, but the part was originated by Bette Davis on the stage. It didn't work out and Shelley Winters replaced her not too far into the run. Davis later claimed to be hurt that Gardner played the part in the film. There was good behind-the-scenes drama with Davis on this one - worth a read in most Davis biographies. Nice to be back, Reuben (formerly of Pennsylvania, now in chilly Maine) On 9/16/07, J Kendel Johnson wrote: > I've been traveling and away from email... has anyone mentioned Red House Records' Prudence Johnson delivering a beautiful performance of "I Don't Know Where I Stand" on the live broadcast of Prairie Home Companion last night (Sat, Sept 15)? > > I happened to be in the audience at the Fitzgerald Theater in St. Paul for the broadcast, and I definitely perked up when Garrison Keillor announced "here's Prudence Johnson with a song by Joni Mitchell". > > Looks like they don't have the show archive available on the PHC website yet, but when they do, it will be here: > > http://prairiehome.publicradio.org/programs/ > > Prudence was accompanied on dobro by Jerry Douglas (www.JerryDouglas.com), and PHC extraordinary "house musicians" Richard Dworsky on piano and Gary Raynor on acoustic (upright) bass, and I was struck all over again by the beauty of the song. > > And Prudence's voice (though I would guess that she's in her 40s) was reminiscent of Joni's voice in her 20s -- at the time she recorded the song -- without any apparent attempt to imitate her. > > I hope it will be included in the archives at PHC. It will make a great addition to the JMDL Joni covers collection. > > J (now back in Dallas) > - -- Reuben in PA healthy people don't self-destruct. - Cyndi Lauper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:07:53 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Yankees vs. Red Sox game njc On Sep 17, 2007, at 12:00 AM, Patti Parlette wrote: > Yankees vs. Red Sox game The Yankees win this round but we'll get them in the post season. Or maybe they'll have a losing streak and the Tigers will win the wild card! Red Sox Nation! Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:21:10 -0700 From: JILL A HAAS Subject: FW: [NortheastJonifest] SJC-Jonifest 2007 (set of DVDs) and Joni, "Miss Renaissance Woman '07" I am presently in Lurkdom due to a new job and, you know, "time, where does the time go, I wonder where the time goes..." but I have read everthing y'all have written and am waiting with the rest of you for the rest of the amazing "Joni Herself out of Lurkdom Autumn." One of these days I will get caught up with my life and begin participating again. Adriano, I recieved your 3-CD Set recorded at Jonifest '07 today! What a wonderful job you have done in putting that magical and somewhat inexplicable event into something that resembles order, and also, I must applaud your editing. Bellisimo! It's quite professional AND artful. Thanks so much for the work you did. I highly recommend it to all Jonifesters from '07. I sent my paypal money today. Sorry to be so late with it. Thanks again. Best to you all, Jill Haas from Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 21:43:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Subject: Re: Poem or Lyrics TEST, njc All poems. In each, the rhythm of the words fits the subject. That rhythm is song enough. When I read the first poem I feel the swaying of the trees. The second poems' words are abrupt, hard, angry, like drums, with musical resolution at the last line. In the third I feel the horses galloping; the lines speed me along. The last poem feels cold, stuck, choppy, not moving forward but staying unhappily in place. It feels like hearing a stuck record. That's how I hear these groups of lines as I read them. Each has its own distinctive music that adds to the meaning of the words, so I say: all poems. Debra Shea - --- LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > POEM OR LYRICS? > > Number ONE: > > Sparkling trees of Silver foam > Cast shadows soft in winter's home > Swaying branches breaking sound > In lonely forests trembling ground > > > Number TWO: > > Where are your letters? > The mailman is an imposter > He is actually my grandfather > He floats far off into the storm > With his nicotine mustache and his bag of nickles > > > Number THREE: > > Wise men spoke the vision > Of the spirit horses way > Like a saviour he has a mission > From the ashes of the plains > All the souls of mighty warriors > Are carried in his veins > All the hopes of ancient nations > Are flowing through his mane > > > Number FOUR: > > It must be Friday by now > I admit I have been lying > Days don't freeze > And to say that the snow has quietness in it > Is to ignore the possibilities of the word > Only the tree has quietness in it > Quiet as the crucifix > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. 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