From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #356 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 13 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 356 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Hannah (Hana) [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: Night of the Iguana [Catherine McKay ] From Sam Feldman's Blog [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Night of the Iguana njc [Dflahm@aol.com] "Shine": It's all happening ["Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" ] Re: Bad Dreams are Good (the New Yorker poem) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Shine Lyric Of Today! [Motitan@aol.com] Song Lyrics: intended or error? ["Mark Tatum" ] Re: now with jc, Wally Lamb Publication Party / Lamb in Joni in Fiction [] RE: Night of the Iguana [Debra ] Re: Song Lyrics: intended or error? [Catherine McKay ] RE: Night of the Iguana [Catherine McKay ] RE: Night of the Iguana ["Richard Flynn" ] Joni's poem: ironic or not? ["anon anon" ] njc Renoir's Jeunes Filles au Piano, et autres oeuvres d'art ["Patti Parl] Re: Night of the Iguana [M C ] Re: From Sam Feldman's Blog [Debra ] Joni Mitchell, Poet in "The New Yorker" ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: Night of the Iguana [ajfashion@att.net] Re: using Shine lyrics already NJC [ajfashion@att.net] SV: Joni's poem: ironic or not? ["Marion Leffler" Subject: Hannah (Hana) The other half of this semi-detached sold recently and I have a new neighbour. I finally met her the other day. A lovely single woman who has moved back to Sydney from London. Her name is Hannah. I mentioned that Joni Mitchell has a new album our next month with a track called, Hana. She seemed pleasantly surprised. More Joni discussions to come, I feel. Mark NP Shine (sampler) - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:24:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Night of the Iguana - --- Debra wrote: > The Church liked what he wrote so much > they > made him a saint. > Ah, yes - and that sums the whole thing up very nicely! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:32:15 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: From Sam Feldman's Blog Macklam Feldman Management Joni Mitchell's eagerly awaited new album Shine will be released on Sept. 25 through Hear Music, the new Starbucks/Concord Record label. To celebrate her first collection of new songs in nine years, Joni will be in New York to host a premier screening of the film version of "The Fiddle and the Drum", her acclaimed collaborative project with the Alberta Ballet and its artistic director Jean Grand-Mantre, and will attend an opening reception for her multi-media art exhibition "green flag song" on the same evening. I'd like to plan a mini Jonifest around this evening, but where might these be held? rosie in nj ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:51:23 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Night of the Iguana njc I wonder if Sting was consciously recalling the title song from the film biography of boxer Rocky Graziano. Paul Newman starred. Graziano's autobiography was called "Somebody Up There Likes Me" (not too religious, not too folksy). The song begins Somebody up there likes me; somebody up there cares. Somebody up there knows my fears and hears my silent prayers. DAVID LAHM ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:15:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: "Shine": It's all happening Our local singer-songwriter station played part of "Shine" during the "Wednesday Premiers" segment. Niki called it "the fantastic new Joni Mitchell." This is good news 'cause it means that Hear Music sent advance copies out to lots of tiny stations, including this college station on the outskirts of Dayton, OH. Has anyone seen the final package yet? Does the artwork hold any surprises (as SoaPG did)? Jim L. 13 days... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:27:53 +0000 From: c Karma Subject: Bad Dreams are Good (the New Yorker poem) I think Joni's grandson (Marlon?) seeded this one. Wikipedia (that paragon of dis-information) cites a New York Times article wherein Joni quotes him in response to his witnessing some family in-fighting. CC "She dodges the light like Blanche DuBois." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:56:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Bad Dreams are Good (the New Yorker poem) That is correct - Joni herself stated it in the Amanda Ghost interview earlier this year. Bob NP: Ani, "Back Back Back" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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"The starlight is steaming He'd like to be dreaming His senses are screaming Not to be denied..." - -Joni Mitchell - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:56:22 -0500 From: "Mark Tatum" Subject: Song Lyrics: intended or error? I haven't posted in a long time, but I'm leaving lurkdom briefly to ask a question I hope hasn't already been asked about lyrics from Shine. In Hana, one of the lines, as set reported on jonimitchell.com, is "Dig in your heals." Should that be "heels" instead? Also, in Night of the Iguana, one of the lines is "The starlight is steaming." The rhyming words in the next two lines are "dreaming" and "screaming," so should the word be "streaming" instead of "steaming." I'm nitpicking, but what do you think? I think "heals" is most likely an error, but, consonance aside, and even I ordinarily think of light as streaming instead of steaming, I think "steaming" was intended, given the tropical setting, the theme, and "burning like Augustine." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:28:25 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell, Poet in "The New Yorker" - -------------- Original message from Janet Hess : -------------- > Maybe I'm alone here on my planet, but I nearly fainted atop my KFC > chicken breast when I opened today's "New Yorker" (yup, cover date of > 9/17) to find, in the Table of Contents, under POEMS, "Joni > Mitchell, 'Bad Dreams Are Good." And there, in black and white on > page 72 of TNY, there's a Joni poem. > Pardon my blasphemy, but this is a very bad poem. It sounds like her lyrics though, and I can imagine it being a brilliant song. - --Aleda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:35:23 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Next one from Ann Wilson on Zoe/Rounder records, njc Ann Wilson is the voice in "Heart". Her next album will be on Zoe/Rounder, an independent label. As far as I know Rounder was started by Allison Krauss and Zoe was started by Mike Timmins. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:45:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Song Lyrics: intended or error? < In Hana, one of the lines, as set reported on jonimitchell.com, is "Dig in your heals." Should that be "heels" instead?> Boy, I sure hope not. 'Dig in your heels' is a cliche, while 'Dig in your HEALS' sets the cliche on its ear. And it makes sense in the adjacent line..."and get a good grip on your grief" which is definitely something you would want to heal. I hope that Joni intended the homonym. Reminds me of the Nick Lowe song title "Time Wounds All Heels" that plays on the cliche "Time HEALS all wounds". Bob NP: David Cantor, "Urge For Going" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:07:14 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Night of the Iguana njc Boy I have not seen that one in ages. I will have to put that on my Netflix list. Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band http://www.preservationhall.com On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Dflahm@aol.com wrote: I wonder if Sting was consciously recalling the title song from the film biography of boxer Rocky Graziano. Paul Newman starred. Graziano's autobiography was called "Somebody Up There Likes Me" (not too religious, not too folksy). The song begins Somebody up there likes me; somebody up there cares. Somebody up there knows my fears and hears my silent prayers. DAVID LAHM See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:51:31 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: now with jc, Wally Lamb Publication Party / Lamb in Joni in Fiction Holy mackerel and fresh salmon frying! With the tide rolling in! How could I *possibly* not have remembered reading that? Oh, please don't tell my sons. They would never let me live it down. "Mom missed a JONI REFERENCE in a Wally Lamb novel????" They'd be ROTFLTAO, for sure! Maybe it was before I was in touch with my inner child; before I was diagnosed with JMOCD. Certainly that must be the case of me. I read "She's Come Undone" and loved it. But why, oh why, do I not remember an "OMG! JONI!" moment? Surely I must have felt a heart flip, but I can't remember. Quelle Mitchellian mortification pour moi! I'm putting a quarter in my Wurlitzer brain......pressing re-wind.....whirr whirr whirrr....the years spin back 15 times round the seasons.....1992. Many dim years ago. What was I doing in 1992? Ha! Leonard Cohen was right about parenting and losing your "self". I had *no* time on my hands, with childs to raise. Chris was just off to high school (I remember his first day as he walked around the corner to the "big h.s. bus stop" which was a few streets over....no more being picked up in front of the house....and I was all sentimental ooby shooby, crying, and singing Circle Game to myself); Michael was entering 4th grade; they were *both* playing their damned hockey games all over New England and I never missed one, not to mention getting them back and forth to practices; I was president of their hockey association; I was working full-time. Phew. I think that excuses me....but still I am truly shocked to read Joni in Wally for "it seems like the first time". Merde. So now I have to drive all the way to Bradley Airport today to find a priest in the bar and make my confession and seek absolution. And if we BOTH confess (Joni said let them both confess) then I'll be there all night long. I don't want to deal with that freakin' whack job priest tonight! Look what you've put me through today! All this time traveling traveling traveling, painted ponies going up and down and whizzing around, and now the priest. Seriously though, thanks for pointing this out. It will be easier to chat up Joni with Wally now, armed with this information. Plus you have saved me *public" Mitchellian mortification. Better to experience that on this list than in front of Wally and other readers. I could just imagine the Q & A: "Do I like Joni Mitchell? Why, you ignorant lass, didn't you read page 213 in She's Come Undone? And you call yourself a fan?" Nah, Wally wouldn't do that. He's really nice. I've heard him speak on campus (really very witty and funny) and once even ran into him at Stop & Shop. I passed him in the cereal aisle and tried to be cool, fifty-fifty fire and ice. I wasn't going to approach him and make a fool of myself. No, not me! But then he spoke to me at the deli counter, gazing at the rotisserie chickens on a Sunday evening, both of us, apparently, hoping not to have to cook that night when we got home. W: Do you think there's any hope for these birds? P (heart starting to flip): They do look pretty dried out, don't they? W: They sure do. P blurts out: Are you my favorite author? (She can't contain herself!) W: Well, I am Wally Lamb. We had a nice little conversation. He was very gracious and down-to-earth. Anyway, in this passage you sent, it seems that Dolores is being sarcastic to this Naomi (not sure who Naomi is after all these years) because Dolores, like Holden Caulfield, was sometimes good at sniffing out phonies. I'll ask him if, if good fortune allows. And I'll give him all the Joni info he needs. Merci beaucoup, sweet darling! This will be a rich exchange. Love, Patti P., porous with workplace fever these days P.S. I love how this joint is jumpin' with all the new Joni appearances...on the radio, in the news, in the New Yorker....awesome! Her name's in the news, everything's first class. Thanks for all the reports, Joni brothers and sisters! BRING 'EM ON! These are the good old days. >--- About Wally Lamb, Patti Parlette wrote: > > > If I get to talk to him, I'll ask him if he likes > > Joni. (You *know* I'm not > > kiddding!) ; ) > >Or better yet, ask him whether or not he was aware of >the fact that Joni never made it to Woodstock. The >following, which I cut and pasted from Joni in >Fiction, seems to indicate that either Wally ddn't >know that Joni was not there, or that his character >Naomi was either deluded or lying in this passage: > >Naomi laughed. "That was the thing about Woodstock. >You didn't think of people as individuals. We were all >this . . . mass entity." > >"Oh," I said. "Right." > >She must have seen my disappointment. "I was two >people back from Joni Mitchell in the portable toilet >line, though," she said. > >"Joni Mitchell used the public toilets?" > >"Well, yeah. See, the whole point was that we're all >one, you know? You and me and Joni and your tall, >skinny friend: a bunch of equals sharing the same >small planet. It was a rush - very political!" > >"Yeah," I said. "You bet your bippy." > >From Page 213: Pocket Books Paperback Edition > >Contributed by Kerry Nikutta 11/30/2004 > >* * * > >Add me to the list of people who like Wally Lamb, >Patti. I would love to see a new work of fiction from >him. > >XO, ma cherie amour. > >--SoB _________________________________________________________________ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:00:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Subject: RE: Night of the Iguana - --- jeannie wrote: > You seem quite abrasive there with that mean ol' > daddy, St. Augustine. I relayed his story, and its effect. > Have you read, The Confessions Of St. Augustine? Yes, long ago. I'm not at all interested in reading the Confessions again, or in talking about St. Augustine. I do, though, get a big kick out of Joni throwing him into her song and connecting his story to NOTI. Makes it a richer story I think. Maybe the Confessions was one of the dozens of books she read long ago when she was looking for "the answer." Of course multiplicity Joni may have had an entirely different Augustine or two in mind when she wrote her song, but considering her history of using Catholic references, the saint one fits, for now. Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:20:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Song Lyrics: intended or error? - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > Reminds me of the Nick Lowe song title "Time Wounds > All Heels" that plays > on the cliche "Time HEALS all wounds". > Also a quote of John Lennon if you've seen "The U.S. vs John Lennon". Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:10:23 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Night of the Iguana I dreamed I saw St. Augustine, Alive as you or me, Tearing through these quarters In the utmost misery, With a blanket underneath his arm And a coat of solid gold, Searching for the very souls Who already have been sold. Bob Dylan said that ;-) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Debra Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:00 PM To: jeannie Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Night of the Iguana - --- jeannie wrote: > You seem quite abrasive there with that mean ol' > daddy, St. Augustine. I relayed his story, and its effect. > Have you read, The Confessions Of St. Augustine? Yes, long ago. I'm not at all interested in reading the Confessions again, or in talking about St. Augustine. I do, though, get a big kick out of Joni throwing him into her song and connecting his story to NOTI. Makes it a richer story I think. Maybe the Confessions was one of the dozens of books she read long ago when she was looking for "the answer." Of course multiplicity Joni may have had an entirely different Augustine or two in mind when she wrote her song, but considering her history of using Catholic references, the saint one fits, for now. Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:20:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Night of the Iguana - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > I dreamed I saw St. Augustine, > Alive as you or me, I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night, Alive as you and me. The folk tradition lives on. ("I never died," said he.") Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:10:09 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Night of the Iguana Absolutely, Catherine. One of the most attractive features of Dylan's songwriting is that he is a magpie, or perhaps a mockingbird. In his most recent wonderful 3 albums he appropriates folksong and other assorted quotations with abandon. Although this is perhaps in the tradition of Eliot, Pound, and other modernist forms of collage (or is it postmodernist bricolage?) I won't risk the ridicule that surely ought to befall Alice Quinn, the New Yorker's poetry editor, for trying to pass off Joni Mitchell song lyrics as poetry by calling Dylan a poet. Hey, maybe Camille Paglia became the new poetry editor of the New Yorker. - -----Original Message----- From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:21 PM To: Richard Flynn; 'Debra'; 'jeannie' Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Night of the Iguana - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > I dreamed I saw St. Augustine, > Alive as you or me, I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night, Alive as you and me. The folk tradition lives on. ("I never died," said he.") Catherine - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail at http://mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:44:10 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Joni's poem: ironic or not? Does anyone fully understand Joni's poem. I agree with much of what she sais, but when she sais that "bad dreams are good", is she being serious or is she being ironic? I really can't tell... _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft. Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:49:07 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc Renoir's Jeunes Filles au Piano, et autres oeuvres d'art Catherine wrote (about le Musee d'Orsay): There was also a hotel in it before it became a museum. Many years ago, when my school went on a trip to Paris, we stayed there. It was pretty rundown, but you could tell that it must have been something in its prime. This was probably in 1970 or 71. I just googled it and the hotel was closed in 1973. So who says it too old and cold and settled in its ways here (en France)? They keep turning museums into hotels, and hotels into museums, and tennis courts into museums, and rail road stations into museums. And their tree museum is the Bois de Boulogne. I remember lots of different trees there, with nameplates/descriptions underneath. I recall that all the Impressionist art was in the Jeu de Paume, and just like Catherine, googled it only to discover that it is now a museum of contemporary art: Galerie nationale du Jeu de Paume From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Galerie nationale du Jeu de Paume is a museum of contemporary art in the north-west corner of the Tuileries Gardens in Paris. The building was constructed in 1861 during the reign of Napoleon III. It originally housed tennis courts; the name is from the precursor of tennis, the jeu de paume. It was used from 1940 to 1944 to store Jewish cultural property looted by the Nazi regime in France Before 1986, it contained the Musie du Jeu de Paume, which held many important impressionist works now in the Musie d'Orsay. Okay, so the Musee d'Orsay is now the swinging hot spot for Impressionism. I just dug out my beautiful catalogue on the "Centenaire de l'Impressionnisme": Grand Palais, Paris. 21 september - 24 november 1974. In my finest hand is written "octobre 1974". What a prize this is; priceless. (I wonder if I could find it on eBay.) I was so lucky to see this exhibit when I first arrived in Paris -- perfect timing. Having studied Impressionism a little bit in h.s. (with that "Impressionism of Joni Mitchell" presentation my junior year), and then a little in college, it was a sublime experience to see so many paintings together in Paris. 1974 was a great year: seeing Joni 3 times, and then hitting Paris just in time for this exhibit. All the while, of course, with Court & Spark playing the soundtrack (sitting in a park in Paris, France, etc.) On the front of this catalogue is Monet's beautiful "Impression, soleil levant" (impression, rising sun) which, I think, gave the name to the movement. Voila: http://www.ibiblio.org/wm/paint/auth/monet/first/impression/impression.jpg Thanks for all the art and museum discussion! Dreaming of the pleasure we're going to have when there is a permanent Mitchell Museum. Wasn't that in the works at one time? Love, Patti P. - - --- mike pritchard wrote: > >>What a lovely painting. I see that the original is >at the Musee d'Orsay in >Paris (which is a GREAT museum, better than the >Louvre for impressionism IMHO- >it's also a former railway station, so the building >is also interesting). I >think I might wander down the Champs-Elysee to see >it one day.<< >Jonathan > >Hi Jonathan, >The Musee d'Orsay is closed on Mondays. Lots of >visitors don't know this and >then go back on Tuesdays, which means long queues >('lines' for people on the >west bank of the Atlantic) for everyone, up to 2 >hours. _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo. 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:36:07 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: Re: Night of the Iguana Ah, I dove head first into the NOTI lyrics without doing any homework. I figured Joni used just the play's title, and, never having read or seen the play, I didn't know the lyrics summarize the plot. Still leaves me wondering just what part the song plays in the whole of the album. Maybe some interviewer will ask Joni and we'll know more. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:38:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Subject: Re: From Sam Feldman's Blog - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > ... Joni will be in New York to > host a premier screening of the film version of > "The Fiddle and the Drum",... and will attend an > opening reception for her > multi-media art exhibition "green flag song" on the > same evening. > > I'd like to plan a mini Jonifest around this > evening, but where might these > be held? My guesses are the Sunshine Cinema on Houston for the film, and the Puck Building at Lafayette and Houston (not too far from the theater) for the art exhibit. Both places are big spaces and can be rented. Every year there's a huge 3-day "Outsider" art show held at the Puck Building. Joni will be an outsider as far as the NYC art scene goes so that's another reason I'm thinking maybe she'll show at the Puck Building. Those are just guesses. If not those places, then I still think she'll be downtown. It sounds like the multi-media blitz is going to last just a day, but surely her art will be exhibited for a while longer than that. Have fun Rose! And Kay and Patrick and David and all the other New Yorkers lucky enough to be nearby. I'm looking forward to reports! Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:22:24 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni Mitchell, Poet in "The New Yorker" Thanks for the sign from God, Janet! They are popping up all over the place. You're not alone on your planet, I assure you. I shared it with everyone who dared to enter my office today. (More Joni -- they know, that's what they'll find these days!) People were very impressed. I notice that the poem is called "Bad Dreams Are Good", but the song on the album is called simply "Bad Dreams." Well, they did say: "Bad Dreams Are Good" comprises the lyrics of a song on her new album, "Shine," due out later this month." Is this the first time Joni has had a poem published? I haven't had time to carefully compare the two (so this is inchoate, Richard), but I did notice that the poem ends with this (which is not in the lyrics): In the dark A shining ray I heard a three-year-old boy say Bad Dreams are good In the Great Plan I also remark on these lines (TIC! from time to time): No one knows how to shoulder the blame Or learn from past mistakes... So who will come to save the day? Mighty Mouse? Superman? Bad dreams are good in the great plan. Cartoon characters to save the day? Oh Joni, you slay me. Who remembers Mighty Mouse? "Here he comes, to save the day, Mighty Mouse is on his way!" In a little bit of synchronicity, I received a cartoon video from CODEPINK today, and all I could think of was when I watched it was: "Here they come to save the day, CODEPINK is on their way!" It's very short, less than a minute: http://codepinkalert.org/article.php?id=3403 It features my old nemesis, the bane of my anti-war existence, Joe "no one wants to end this war more than I do and that's a FACT" Lieberman. Deep breath. Back to Joni. It all comes down to Joni! Peace, Patti P. Maybe I'm alone here on my planet, but I nearly fainted atop my KFC chicken breast when I opened today's "New Yorker" (yup, cover date of 9/17) to find, in the Table of Contents, under POEMS, "Joni Mitchell, 'Bad Dreams Are Good." And there, in black and white on page 72 of TNY, there's a Joni poem. Here's the bio from TNY "Contributors" page: "Joni Mitchell (Poem, p.72) is a musician, songwriter, and artist. She has won five Grammy awards. "Bad Dreams Are Good" comprises the lyrics of a song on her new album, "Shine," due out later this month." Am I the only person who has received this sign from God? Would you like your own sign from God? Try this: http://www.newyorker.com/fiction/poetry/2007/09/17/070917po_poem_mitchell - ------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft. Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:33:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Debra Subject: Re: njc Renoir's Jeunes Filles au Piano, et autres oeuvres d'art - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > I recall that all the Impressionist art was in the > Jeu de Paume, ... Visiting the Jeu de Paume in the 80's was the best museum experience I've ever had. What a wonderful little museum! And what a thrill to see in person all the paintings I'd seen only as reproductions in art history classes. I remember actually gasping when I turned a corner and, surprise, there was Manet's picnic painting with the dressed men and the naked woman. That's a big painting! Bigger than most impressionist paintings. Big enough to be enveloping. No wonder people were shocked when he first painted it. It's an in-your-face experience, especially in a little space like the Jeu de Paume. Wow. Wonderful place. Nice memory. Debra Shea ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:59:25 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: using Shine lyrics already Driving home tonight on a long and winding road (black road, double yellow line, fine white lines on both sides now) this big SUV was right on my tail. I tried to ignore him, but he was making me nervous, pushing me along. I got more nervous as this continued, and then got to worrying that maybe he was pissed off at my bumperstickers ("War is not the answer" and "Endless War" ("less" is scratched out in red, and "this" is written in red over it.) and that he might to do something nasty. You never know these days. When the road finally ended at a stop sign, I was taking a left, and he pulled next to me to take his right. (How apt.) Then as he screeched off, I looked at *his* bumperstickers, and let's just say, they were the opposite of mine, and I thought to myself: Shine on another asshole Passing on the right! Ah, I'm already assimilating the new lyrics into my daily life. This is good. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo. 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:10:38 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: RE: Night of the Iguana - -------------- Original message from "Richard Flynn" : -------------- > I won't risk the ridicule that surely ought to befall Alice > Quinn, the New Yorker's poetry editor, for trying to pass off Joni Mitchell > song lyrics as poetry by calling Dylan a poet. > Just as poem aren't lyrics, lyrics, no matter how brilliant, aren't poems. The New Yorker is the highest profile magazine in the world in which to publish a poem, and one thing poets don't need is non-poets taking one of approximately hundreds spots a year available for poems in The New Yorker. I wish instead The New Yorker had done a profile of Mitchell or, better yet, an analysis of her lyrics. But if one is asked to view this as a poem, it's embarassing. for both The New Yorker and Joni Mitchell. IMO. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:23:09 +0000 From: ajfashion@att.net Subject: Re: using Shine lyrics already NJC - -------------- Original message from "Patti Parlette" : -------------- > Driving home tonight on a long and winding road (black road, double yellow > line, fine white lines on both sides now) this big SUV was right on my tail. > I tried to ignore him, but he was making me nervous, pushing me along. I > got more nervous as this continued, and then got to worrying that maybe he > was pissed off at my bumperstickers ("War is not the answer" and "Endless > War" ("less" is scratched out in red, and "this" is written in red over it.) > and that he might to do something nasty. You never know these days. [snip] This is one reason I don't do bumper stickers, political or otherwise (my husband would have an Auburn sticker on the cars if I'd let him but since SEC football is religion in the deep south you never know). Not only do I fear hostility of the kind you experienced, but I also think it might well make the difference in whether or not I could talk a policeman out of giving me a ticket (something I'm very good at). I have made an exception for my best friend's husband, who is running for state senate. Glad you weren't hurt by this pyscho. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:46:33 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni's poem: ironic or not? I think she's being serious. Bad dreams are good in the great plan - they make you realise something is wrong and ought to be put right if you want sweeter dreams. I ordered my copy of Shine yesterday but - it is not available in Sweden until the 26th, so I won't get it until the 27th or 28th. Why o why is my patience being tested? I know patience is a virtue but right now I don't care about virtues, I want to hear Shine! Have a nice day, all of you, Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr anon anon Skickat: den 13 september 2007 02:44 Till: Joni@smoe.org Dmne: Joni's poem: ironic or not? Does anyone fully understand Joni's poem. I agree with much of what she sais, but when she sais that "bad dreams are good", is she being serious or is she being ironic? I really can't tell... _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft. 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