From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #353 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 10 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 353 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- crowded house concert last night NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] njc Renoir's Jeunes Filles au Piano ["mike pritchard" ] Sitting in the Back of a Car, NJC re: Patti P and Beatlemania [Wes ] troops, njc [LCStanley7@aol.com] 'River: The Joni Letters' (Herbie Hancock's new album) [studio16a ] Re: njc, Dear Abby on Abbey Road ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] Stephen Stills Trivia NJC ["L.Bruce Vaughn" ] Fro the DC area folls, yes that was me (NJC) [Loren Carter ] RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? [Bob Muller ] njc, beautiful hippy flower child doll ["Patti Parlette" ] Part 2 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? ["Richard Flynn" Subject: crowded house concert last night NJC Mags & Lindsey I know what you are talking about. They can only be better than when I saw them a decade or so ago & then they simply blew me away. IMO they stand alongside the Beatles with perhaps one or two others. When I saw them they jumped around the stage & took turns playing each others instruments. HOLY MOLY as talented as anyone I have ever seen. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:44:45 +0100 From: "Gordon MacKie" Subject: Pedantic Effrontery Hi All Not muh to add here. I think 'pedantic effrontery' sounds more like an architecture term....and this buidling has a great example of 'pedantic effrontery' . I think it would be somewhat rococco...or even baroque..lol. Oh, and Catherine, how could you forget Jason Donovan? ( er...only kidding) . Gordon..in gloriously sunny Glasgow ! Jings, crivens and help ma boab. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:16:11 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: njc Renoir's Jeunes Filles au Piano >>What a lovely painting. I see that the original is at the Musee d'Orsay in Paris (which is a GREAT museum, better than the Louvre for impressionism IMHO- it's also a former railway station, so the building is also interesting). I think I might wander down the Champs-Elysee to see it one day.<< Jonathan Hi Jonathan, The Musee d'Orsay is closed on Mondays. Lots of visitors don't know this and then go back on Tuesdays, which means long queues ('lines' for people on the west bank of the Atlantic) for everyone, up to 2 hours. Be sure to take an umbrella because people have to wait in the open air and you know Paris; it drizzles (and sometimes sizzles, but not when I was last there). You'll even be able to see Vincent's Starry Night, but not the one joni mentions. Wikipedia has a list of other painters and sculptors represented here. Enjoy. mike in barcelona np Manu Chao - Politik Kills ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:28:24 -0400 From: Wes Subject: Sitting in the Back of a Car, NJC re: Patti P and Beatlemania Patti, The song you had in your head is called "In the Street", by Big Star. Cheap Trick re-recorded it for the "That 70's Show" soundtrack. If you have never heard anything else by Big Star, and you're a Beatles fan, you should pick up "#1 Record/Radio City". That's their first two albums on one disc. "In the Street" is on there, and many, many other great songs. The whole disc is outstanding, and you will hear the Beatles influence on them immediately. They have had a major influence on power pop and will for many years to come, especially in the indie rock world. And going along with your storyline, the song "Back of a Car" on that disc is one of the best songs they ever wrote. Check it out sometime. Take care, Wes Patti P. wrote: <> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:32:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: njc Renoir's Jeunes Filles au Piano There was also a hotel in it before it became a museum. Many years ago, when my school went on a trip to Paris, we stayed there. It was pretty rundown, but you could tell that it must have been something in its prime. This was probably in 1970 or 71. I just googled it and the hotel was closed in 1973. - --- mike pritchard wrote: > >>What a lovely painting. I see that the original is > at the Musee d'Orsay in > Paris (which is a GREAT museum, better than the > Louvre for impressionism IMHO- > it's also a former railway station, so the building > is also interesting). I > think I might wander down the Champs-Elysee to see > it one day.<< > Jonathan > > Hi Jonathan, > The Musee d'Orsay is closed on Mondays. Lots of > visitors don't know this and > then go back on Tuesdays, which means long queues > ('lines' for people on the > west bank of the Atlantic) for everyone, up to 2 > hours. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Pedantic Effrontery - --- Gordon MacKie wrote: > Hi All > > Not muh to add here. I think 'pedantic effrontery' > sounds more like an architecture term....and this > buidling has a great example of 'pedantic > effrontery' . I think it would be somewhat > rococco...or even baroque..lol. That works too! Isn't English fun? Oh, and Catherine, > how could you forget Jason Donovan? ( er...only > kidding) . > It's kind of hard to forget what you never knew to begin with. I had to look him up in google! Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:17:17 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: troops, njc As more troops return from the war, brain injuries are a growing burden - for them, for the few programs to treat them, and for taxpayers who pay for their care and disability if they cannot hold jobs. Most TBIs are mild, and most of these patients recover within a year. But one-fifth of the troops with these mild injuries will have prolonged or lifelong symptoms and need continuing care, the military estimates. Nearly all of the moderate and severe ones will, too. Though the full number of those suffering from TBI is still unknown, the problem is straining the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. Until now, "they were dealing with a cohort of aging veterans with diabetes, heart disease, lung disease," said Dr. Jeffrey Drazen, editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine and a VA adviser. Now, these young, brain-injured troops need highly specialized care, and how much it will help long-term is unknown, he said. People with TBI have frequent headaches, dizziness, and trouble concentrating and sleeping. They may be depressed, irritable and confused, and easily provoked or distracted. Speech or vision also can be impaired. Some sufferers have been misdiagnosed with personality disorders. Others have lost jobs because of unrecognized and untreated symptoms. "It's the so-called invisible injury. It's where a troop takes 10 times the normal time to pack his rucksack ... a complicated injury to the most complicated part of the body," said Dr. Alisa Gean, a neurosurgeon at the University of California, San Francisco. Diagnosing it is imprecise - damage rarely shows up on CAT scans or other tests. Treating it is even more difficult. Lacking a cure, doctors focus on symptoms - - headaches, anxiety, vision problems, etc. But they lack good treatments for some of these, too, and are considering some experimental approaches being pushed by private companies with little proof they work. Many troops get no care at all. Some are sent back to fight with their brain injuries undetected, especially if they had no obvious wounds. What happened to Eric O'Brien and Bryan Malone shows the scope of this problem. O'Brien, a 32-year-old Army staff sergeant from Iowa's Quad Cities, was teasing Malone, 22, a specialist from Haughton, La., in a Baghdad gym last summer. "I told him and his workout partner: 'Put some more weight on it,"' prompting the men to get up. Seconds later, a rocket hit where they had sat. They survived, but a pressure wave from the blast coursed through their brains. "I patted myself down head to toe, making sure I wasn't missing a limb," and felt odd, like "I must be missing a chunk of my head,"' O'Brien said. He remembers little else except walking through debris to pick up his iPod and sunglasses. As for Malone, an air conditioning vent had fallen on his head and he had shrapnel wounds. He had multiple surgeries, spent several months in Walter Reed Army Medical Center and now has titanium mesh reinforcing his skull. O'Brien, however, had shrapnel removed from his scalp and then was sent back to his unit - "no antibiotics, no pain medication or anything. They just sent me on my way." From: http://news.aol.com/story/ar/_a/brain-damage-plagues-thousands-of-gis/20070909172009990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:54:55 +0100 From: studio16a Subject: 'River: The Joni Letters' (Herbie Hancock's new album) Love this - stream of Norah Jones singing Court & Spark from Herbie's forthcoming album 'River: The Joni Letters' http://snipurl.com/1qing Just read this press release - > Herbie Hancock Aims To "Court & Spark" Joni Mitchell Fans, > With A Little Help From Norah Jones http://www.mi2n.com/press.php3?press_nb=103034 Interested to see which track Corinne Bailey Rae sings - - also Joni herself very best to all Paul Castle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:08:57 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: 'River: The Joni Letters' (Herbie Hancock's new album) She sings River. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "It's Hard To Be A Saint In The City" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:17:11 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Joni Remixed For those who missed it, here is the link for part 1 of Joni Remixed again. http://send.arunalabs.com/download.html?h=TXpGbVppNHhNR0Zr Mark in Sydney NP Brandenburg Concerto 4 - Johann Sebastian Bach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:35:00 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: njc, Dear Abby on Abbey Road From the Wikipedia: Big Star's pop gem "In the Street," which had featured the tight harmonies of Chris Bell and Alex Chilton, was chosen as a representative song of the 1970s decade by the producers of the television show That '70s Show in 1998. Cheap Trick recorded a version of the song for the show with new lyrics in 1999, also included on That '70s Show Presents That '70s Album: Rockin'. "IN THE STREET" (Bell/Chilton) Hanging out, down the street The same old thing we did last week Not a thing to do, but talk to you Steal your car, and bring it down Pick me up, we'll drive around Wish we had a joint so bad Bust a street light Out past midnight ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:56:09 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Pedantic Effrontery Yes as mentioned "pedantic" just means very particular or detailed or focused on very specific things. It is always applied to writing and thought of as a writing style. Effrontery just means presumptiousness or really even arrogance. I don't know how to explain that really. So Joni's writing was called detailed and arrogant even....you'd think critics would be more original in their reviews after all these years! What else is new? :) - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:46:17 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni's influence on you? Monika wrote: Oh, I will admit to something else as well. In some certain, shakey situations I suppose I'll call them, I have thought in my head, "what would Joni do?" Of course I don't know her personally (unfortunately) but can only imagine the outcome based on what I have read about her and based on what she herself says. ***** LOL! What would Joni do? I have a magnet right here on my work desk that says: WWJD? Yes!!!! Two years ago (on 9/22) I bought a new vehicle, and I was so excited that I wrote to the list about it, wishing I had Joni bumperstickers (I also asked what song I should christen it with, and it was Herjira, hands down). So Patti Witten designed 4 of them and sold them on CafePress.Com. Voila: http://www.cafepress.com/buy/joni%20mitchell/-/cfpt2_/x_20/cfpt_674:____D___G______P___b7_a2/source_searchBox/copt_/y_12 1. WWJD? 2. My other car is a big yellow taxi 3. SIQUOMB SHE IS QUEEN UNDISPUTED OF MIND BEAUTY (that one isn't there anymore for some reason) 4. Don Juan's Reckless Driver Aren't they AWESOME? Thanks again, Patti W., where ever you may be these days. ****** So have you been influenced by Joni in your own personal life? - - -Monika ******* You have GOT to be kidding! You can't be asking that of me, Monika! How much time do you have? 1969: H.S. sophomore jive class dance was named "Night in the City" (as Class VP I had the power and I used it, Oddmund Joni Mitchell Missionary Man-style) May 1970: wrote an essay for English class titled "We Are Stardust, We Are Golden" from a list of suggested topics given by Mrs. Carney (boy, was she hip for an old lady.....LOTC had just come out!) 1971: did a presentation for English class, again from a list of suggested topics, this time given by Mr. O'Conner, the hippie English teacher: "The Impressionism of Joni Mitchell". I woke up early, with the sun To ride the bus while everyone is yawning as I dragged in STAS, Clouds, and LOTC along w/ a few big coffee-table art books on French Impressionism (yeah, let's go to the Musee d'Orsay, Jonathan! Christian, you can come, too!) LOL.....Then I resisted marriage for a long long time, singing: "We don't need a piece of paper from the city hall....." And..... Oh, forget it! You'll just have to wait for my autobiography. For now, a cheesey song will have to suffice: Love Story Where do I begin To tell the story of how great a love can be The sweet love story that is older than the sea The simple truth about the love she brings to me Where do I start With her first hello She gave new meaning to this empty world of mine Thered never be another love, another time She came into my life and made the living fine She fills my heart She fills my heart with very special things With angels songs , with wild imaginings She fills my soul with so much love That anywhere I go Im never lonely With her around, who could be lonely I reach for her hand-its always there How long does it last Can love be measured by the hours in a day I have no answers now but this much I can say I know Ill need her till the stars all burn away And shell be there (Oh boy, Muller's gonna kill me over that one! Not just a moldy oldie, but moldy CHEESE to boot...LOL! Richard is probably cringing, too. Sorry, guys!) Love, Patti P., wishing I weren't in the workplace so I could read and write Joni all the live-long day and reply to all the posts in today's digest....stooopid JOB! ; ) If I had my way I'd just walk through these door and wander, down the Champs Elysees and Penny Lane and Sisotowbell Lane and Abbey Road..... _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Cafi. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:29:40 -0700 From: "L.Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Stephen Stills Trivia NJC Since there have been some CSN&Y talk going through the message board I thought I'd share this one as it totally slipped under the radar on me for 35 years. I recently picked up Ringo Starr's new remastered hits collection which by the way 18 of the 20 tracks are remastered brilliantly and that's saying a lot from Mr. Picky here. When I was looking through the track credits it lists Stephen Stills as "guitars" on It Don't Come Easy. Never had any idea. I suspect all the guitars except George's very understated lead line in the instrumental bridge are Stills' work. This track and Back Off Boogaloo are the two tracks that needed some more work but sound better than they ever have in any other digital formats. I don't think this track will ever sound "great" it's always had a muddy sound to it which makes me suspect that even though Harrison is credited for producing it I suspect by the time frame that it reeks of the Phil Spector wall of sound mish-mosh. Anyway for those like me who didn't know here's a piece of Stills' brilliant guitar work. Link: http://download.yousendit.com/27DBD565642DBBFE Bruce in AZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:30:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Loren Carter Subject: Fro the DC area folls, yes that was me (NJC) For the DC area JMDLers (and possibly nationwide now), On the news reports of the Bowie State student who was missing for a week, then discovered after having crawled out of a 35 ft ditch to be spotted and rescued, that was me (a friend and neighbor of the McCormick family). Many of the local news stations wanted video of reaction, but the family just wanted to be left alone to savor the return of their son after he had fallen off the face of the Earth for 7 days. No news, no reports, no nothing, he was just gone. So that they news teams would have something to take back to their stations, I spoke on camera with a bunch of them. My wife and son were in some of them, so if you see one of them, it was me. GMA, Today, CNN, and all of the local DC stations have been covering this story. Julian is recovering just fine (nothing was broken), and might be at home either today or tomorrow. It's so good to hear a story about a young man with a happy, happy, ending. There's enough drugs, death, drive-bys, babies being dumped in trash cans and other equally depressing stories in the news this week. It's so good to have one with a super, happy, ending. Loren.... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:00:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? So you're asking me how I FEEL about your choice of moldy cheese? Well, all I can say is: Feelings, nothing more than feelings, trying to forget my feelings of love. Teardrops rolling down on my face, trying to forget my feelings of love. Feelings, for all my life I'll feel it. I wish I've never met you, girl; you'll never come again. Feelings, wo-o-o feelings, wo-o-o, feel you again in my arms. Feelings, feelings like I've never lost you and feelings like I've never have you again in my heart. Feelings, for all my life I'll feel it. I wish I've never met you, girl; you'll never come again. Feelings, feelings like I've never lost you and feelings like I've never have you again in my life. Feelings, wo-o-o feelings, wo-o-o, feelings again in my arms. Feelings...(repeat & fade) - Morris Albert Bob NP: Jason Isbell, "Brand New Kind Of Actress" (nothing moldy or cheesy about it!) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:44:13 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? (tone: throwing the lightness on these things, laughing it all away) Hey! Cut it out, you freshie! You -- you -- you -- You HILLBILLY!!!! You don't like oldies -- you want stimulation-nothing more That's what I think about your music. You wouldn't even go see Crosby and Nash? You don't like moldy cheese? I'm going to throw some over-ripe Brie or Camembert at you! I bring you Apples and cheeses...you don't even have an Apple! ""Kiss my ass!" I said....." I'm laughing at that song (Feelings, nothing more than feelings) though, because it reminds of a funny little Joni story. A few years ago I was having lunch w/ my sweet old friend Sol (retired professor) and I was telling him for the first time about my JMOCD. He sort of/ kind of knew of her (the old Judy Collins/Joan Baez/Janis Ian/Janis Joplin J-names confusion thang) but I finally set him straight. I told him she writes a lot about emotions, and he asked if she wrote that song: Feelings! I cracked up. That's so NOT Joni! Joni don't write junk! And since I am writing here again, let me post my regrets, Coyotes. When I talked about meeting Jonathan at the Musee d'Orsay, and said Christian could come, it was only because Jonathan mentioned it, and he lives just north of Christian, so I though he could pick him up on the way (I just picked up a hitcher....). I didn't mean to exclude anyone. In France they kiss on Main Street, so let's ALL go looking for a party at the Musee, lookin' to raise MONET up from the dead. Sorry for being such a fruitcake today. I'm just living on nerves and feelings. Two of my best friends in the workplace are undergoing cancer surgery today. One came out fine; we are still waiting on the other. It's been a hard day's night and friends are calling up all day, all emotions and abstractions, so please, take me as I am. Laughing and crying, PP > >but >moldy CHEESE to boot> > >So you're asking me how I FEEL about your choice of moldy cheese? Well, >all I can say is: > > >Feelings, nothing more than feelings, >trying to forget my feelings of love. >Teardrops rolling down on my face, >trying to forget my feelings of love. > > Feelings, for all my life I'll feel it. > I wish I've never met you, girl; you'll never come again. > > Feelings, wo-o-o feelings, > wo-o-o, feel you again in my arms. > >Feelings, feelings like I've never lost you >and feelings like I've never have you again in my heart. > > Feelings, for all my life I'll feel it. > I wish I've never met you, girl; you'll never come again. > >Feelings, feelings like I've never lost you >and feelings like I've never have you again in my life. > > Feelings, wo-o-o feelings, > wo-o-o, feelings again in my arms. > Feelings...(repeat & fade) > > - Morris Albert > >Bob > >NP: Jason Isbell, "Brand New Kind Of Actress" (nothing moldy or cheesy >about it!) _________________________________________________________________ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:21:35 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? I like oldies just fine, but they should be golden and not molden. P-U on "Theme From Love Story" & "Feelings". I would definitely go see C&N in the right setting...a small acoustically-correct hall or facsimile thereof. Have no interest in seeing them in a hockey arena or stadium. And it's not just C&N - Bruce Springsteen tickets are dropping this week, and I'm not interested in seeing any of them, even though his new album is great and he's an incredible performer and the E-Street Band may never tour again. The hassles and costs of those stadium shows just outweigh the pleasures as far as I'm concerned. Reading Victor's review of the Allman Brother/DMB show, all I could think was 'thank god I wasn't there." You light up my life, Bob NP: Apples In Stereo, "Beautiful Machine, Pts. 1-2" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:49:07 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery NJC Hi Monika! You're proof that a young adult can be intelligent, wise, with a constant desire to learn, ready and willing to tackle the bull by the horns, unlike many other young ones and older ones, for that matter. I truly am impressed and admire that in you, along with being one of the youngest members of bravado on board. That in itself says alot, Monika. I like these Rickie Lee Jones lyrics of which I'll share with you: ~Don't stop confiding on the road you're on. You're walking satellites~RLJ Always, Jeannie PS: Maybe Joni already knew by the age three that she was a genius, asking and proclaiming, "What's so strange when you're a wizard at three? I knew that this was meant to be." ~Genius~ A young writer arrived at the hermitage to write a book on the Contemplative Sage's sayings. "People say you're a genius. Are you?" she asked. "You might say so," said the Contemplative, none too modestly. "And what makes one a genius?" "The ability to recognize." "Recognize what?" "The butterfly in a caterpillar; the eagle in an egg; the saint in a selfish human being." ~Anthony DeMello~ Motitan@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/9/2007 9:16:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, taulbeebryan@yahoo.com writes: Furthermore, the "Jason" who wrote the review is probably all of 23 years old. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - I can't say anything much for a lukewarm review except that it is only one opinion. We must base our own judgment on our own opinions. If everyone only took to those things which were only praised highly, we would have very things to be into if any at all! But I will say just because you are 23 doesn't mean you don't know a thing or two.....nor does it mean you don't have good taste in music for example...... - -Monika, 22 years old - --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:26:23 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Ken's First Listen-New Joni Album Date: Monday, Sept. 10, 2007 Time: 4:35 PM EDST Place: Driving along Merrick Road in Massapequa (Long Island) Station: WFUV (90.7 FM) Song: "If I Had A Heart" (new Shine album) Yes, folks, I've heard my first song off the new Joni album today and... I really liked it! Good instrumentals (nice piano) great vocals & arrangement... although I haven't downloaded any of the lyrics yet so I'm still not completely up to speed here. My first impression, though, is very POSITIVE! I know I've not been active on the site lately (being semi-retired takes a lot of my time ;-)) and I've been very busy with my writing projects (I was featured in a Newsday column a few weeks ago/got my picture in the paper!) but I've anxiously been awaiting Joni's new album, none-the-less. I must admit, Joni's most recent albums have not been my favorites so I was not sure what to expect. However, if this first song is any indication of the rest of the album... I'll be very happy indeed. Kenny B ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:18:45 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Stephen Stills Trivia NJC The only guitars I hear are the electric "riff" part, the electric solo in the middle, and an acoustic playing along with the piano. Since the first two sound very much like Mr. Harrison, I assume it's Stills on the acoustic. The lead guitars are very back in the mix-but it kind of draws you in, I guess. Part of the perceived muddiness might be from the doubling of the lead vocal-standard practice in the Beatles era....and the copious reverb Harrison obviously picked up from Mr. Spector (whose jury just went into deliberation). George later said he was tempted to remix the Spector-produced, reverb drenched "All Things Must Pass"-and actually did so for a couple of bonus tracks-but decided not to tamper with history. Thanks for the file RR From: "L.Bruce Vaughn" > When I was looking through the track credits it lists Stephen Stills as > "guitars" on It Don't Come Easy. Never had any idea. I suspect all the > guitars except George's very understated lead line in the instrumental > bridge are Stills' work. >> This track and Back Off Boogaloo are the two tracks that needed some > more work but sound better than they ever have in any other digital > formats. > I don't think this track will ever sound "great" it's always had a muddy > sound to it which makes me suspect that even though Harrison is credited > for producing it I suspect by the time frame that it reeks of the Phil > Spector wall of sound mish-mosh. > Anyway for those like me who didn't know here's a piece of Stills' > brilliant guitar work. > Link: http://download.yousendit.com/27DBD565642DBBFE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:24:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? Do you really like Bruce's new album--it was leaked everywhere the end of last week-- I thought it was pretty boring. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:22 PM To: Patti Parlette Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? I like oldies just fine, but they should be golden and not molden. P-U on "Theme From Love Story" & "Feelings". I would definitely go see C&N in the right setting...a small acoustically-correct hall or facsimile thereof. Have no interest in seeing them in a hockey arena or stadium. And it's not just C&N - Bruce Springsteen tickets are dropping this week, and I'm not interested in seeing any of them, even though his new album is great and he's an incredible performer and the E-Street Band may never tour again. The hassles and costs of those stadium shows just outweigh the pleasures as far as I'm concerned. Reading Victor's review of the Allman Brother/DMB show, all I could think was 'thank god I wasn't there." You light up my life, Bob NP: Apples In Stereo, "Beautiful Machine, Pts. 1-2" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Listen to 'Sex Kills,' and I think Joni's stance concerning pedophilic effrontery and temerity is obvious. Truly, Jeannie--also with a heavy Webster's dictionary in tow Marion Leffler wrote: Okay, for what it's worth: pedantic hasn't got anything to do with child abuse, it means particular. When somebody is pedantic, she is very particular about whatever she is doing. Isn't that our Joni? And Monika, you are so right, age is not per se a mark of ignorance or bad taste! Marion, with a dictionary nearby - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bryan Skickat: den 10 september 2007 03:08 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery The official amazon.com review of Shine is lukewarm (whatever...) and includes a claim that Joni is practicing "pedantic effrontery" in some of the album's lesser songs. I am stunned. If I had known the woman has been abusing children all these years, I would have ditched her long ago. But seriously, how can we take a review seriously with such pretentious language? Furthermore, the "Jason" who wrote the review is probably all of 23 years old. Curmudgeonly, Bryan - --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:05:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: New Joni video Just got the new Rolling Stone today (Fiddy & Kanye on the cover) and they have a "Fall Music Preview". They advertise NEW exclusive Joni video at: www.rollingstone.com/fallmusicpreview2007 But when I tried to pull it up there was nothing there. Hopefully I was just too quick on the draw and it's coming soon. Bob NP Caroline Lavelle, "A Case Of You (Psovi Psovi Mix)" - --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? Our tastes are radically different, Richard (Exhibit A - Dave Von Ronk) but I like it a lot, only heard it through once but I loved it right out of the gate. I didn't have much use for his last project ("Froggie Went a Courtin', etc) and while I liked The Rising I thought there was a dud or two that should have been culled. This one sounds much more immediate and best of all I don't hear any of those nasty Patty Scialfa vocals - yay! Bob NP: Oasis, "Digsy's Dinner" - --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:36:58 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, beautiful hippy flower child doll Bon soir, Joniami(e)s! The article title in my local paper is: "Oh, you beautiful hippy flower child doll" "American Girl doll is re-enacting my past Susan Reimer Baltimore Sun American Girl, which creates historical dolls whose lives are described in a series of companion books, is introducing a new doll this month -- flower child Julie. She joins Native-American Kaya, Colonial Felicity, pioneer Kirsten, frontier Josefina, Civil War Addy, Victorian Samantha, Depression Kit and World War II Molly, all of whom face change and challenges at critical times in American history. However, 9-year-old Julie is living in San Francisco in the 1970s. Yes, that's right. Your 1970s and my 1970s. We are officially historical relics. Museum quality. Ouch. Julie wears a peasant blouse, flared jeans, and a macrame belt. She has a mood ring and a pet rock and her bedroom is decorated in dayglow orange and lime green and she loves to play music from her sister's record collection. It feels like American Girl went through all the boxes in my basement that I can't quite bring myself to throw out. Julie's parents are splitting up, she is friends with a Vietnam vet and she collects signatures on a petition to start a girls basketball team at her school. It feels like American Girl went through all my memories, too. "We all felt it around here as well," said Julie Parks, spokesperson for American Girl. (No relation. The name "Julie" was chosen because of its popularity in the 1970s.) "We've been saying that we remember this time period like it was yesterday," Parks said. American Girl has been jumping all over the timeline of U.S. history since founder Pleasant Rowland decided 20 years ago that there had to be something for little girls beyond Cabbage Patch dolls and Barbies. Molly's life is set in World War II, but she was one of the first characters. Kaya's life is set in 1764, and she was the most recent doll, created in 2002. The characters bring to life important times of change in American life, and the 1970s certainly qualify. No fault divorce laws were passed and the divorce rate doubled. Title IX was passed as well, but girls like Julie still had to battle for a chance to play sports. The first Earth Day was in April 1970, and Julie is deeply affected by seeing an American Indian weep on television over the pollution of his land. Julie's mom opens her own shop at a time when women were just beginning to move into the work force. And Julie befriends a deaf girl just as schools and public facilities were recognizing their social responsibility to those with disabilities. "We see Julie as a way to bridge the past and the present," said Parks. Certainly there are grandmothers who can talk to their granddaughters about Molly's experiences during World War II. But today's 9- and 10-year-old girls can crawl into Mommy's lap and ask her what it was like to watch as President Richard Nixon resigned in front of a national television audience. "We felt strongly about showing America turning a corner," said Parks. "It is set during a time of our nation's healing. Like Julie, our nation was finding its footing and moving forward." This is tricky for those of us who actually lived through the 1970s. We remember not only the jeans and the tie-dyed T-shirts, but the horror of Kent State. Sure, we watched The Brady Bunch and we fell in love with David Cassidy, too. But we also watched on the evening news as the last helicopters left Saigon with desperate people clinging to the runners. Though the rest of the American Girl dolls lived during tumultuous periods in our country's history, too, Julie's story hits very close to home. But like Molly, Samantha, Felicity and the others, Julie is smart, strong, compassionate, a loyal friend and a determined competitor. She'll get through the 1970s. Just like the rest of us did. *** We are officially historical relics? Ouch is right! And her outfit sounds like what I wore at that CSNY/Joni/Beach Boys concert I recently told you about. I guess Julie was a popular name back then, but I don't recall any Julies in my life, except for Julie (Peggy Lipton) on the Mod Squad, and Carly's Julie (Hi Mark E.): JULIE THROUGH THE GLASS Lyrics Artist: Carly Simon Julie through the glass Lookin' up at me You've just got to be The sweetest thing I've ever seen. Julie through the glass Just born a day ago And who knows where you've been And where you're gonna go. We want you to love the world To know it well and play a part And we'll help you to learn to love yourself 'Cause that's where loving really starts. Julie through the glass I'm looking forward to Doing things with you For many years to come. We had a groovy kind of love, didn't we? ; ) Love & peace & flower power, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ A place for moms to take a break! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:46:59 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? Hey Hillbilly Bob (tee hee), You give me hope To carry on You light up my days and fill my nights with song (I think that's Smurfy's favorite song. Where is that SoB, anyway?) But you'd see *Joni* in a stadium, right? (Not that she'd play in one.) I saw her twice (#4 & #5) in a hockey arena: the New Haven Coliseum (demolished last year). I am going to see C & N here next month: http://www.bushnell.org/index.cgi/9696 That's where I saw the Beach Boys and Mahareeshi Maheesh Yogi in 8th grade. Good vibrations! My sweet mother drove me and 10 friends in the family station wagon. No seat belts then. I guess we all just piled in the back. And we had fun, fun, fun! (kissin' in the backseat...amour mama, not cheap display...ha ha) Love, Patti P. > >think about your music. You wouldn't even go see Crosby and Nash?> > >I like oldies just fine, but they should be golden and not molden. P-U on >"Theme From Love Story" & "Feelings". > >I would definitely go see C&N in the right setting...a small >acoustically-correct hall or facsimile thereof. Have no interest in seeing >them in a hockey arena or stadium. And it's not just C&N - Bruce >Springsteen tickets are dropping this week, and I'm not interested in >seeing any of them, even though his new album is great and he's an >incredible performer and the E-Street Band may never tour again. The >hassles and costs of those stadium shows just outweigh the pleasures as >far as I'm concerned. Reading Victor's review of the Allman Brother/DMB >show, all I could think was 'thank god I wasn't there." > >You light up my life, >Bob > >NP: Apples In Stereo, "Beautiful Machine, Pts. 1-2" _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft. Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:39:25 -0700 From: "L.Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: Stephen Stills Trivia NJC Thanks Randy! I thought maybe JMDL's resident Beatle guru might have some insight on it. I kind of leaned towards Stills doing the 2nd electric guitar track as it sounds very very similiar to his style on his first two solo albums. The piano track is credited to Gary Wright which is not at all surprising considering the time it was done. I read about Harrison wanting to remix All Things Must Pass in the interview he gave Billboard Magazine in 2000 at the time of the remaster's release. Part of me would have liked to hear more of Harrison's more minimalist approach to the tracks Spector produced (Wah-Wah in particular) but part of me is glad he let history be. I have read that Harrison and Spector had quite a "row" over the arrangement on What Is Life and from that point on Spector was somewhat "uninvited" to produce the rest of the album tracks. You can really tell which tracks Spector had his hands in and which ones George finished on his own. I had to dust off the old 45 RPM of It Don't Come Easy and Harrison's lead was much more pronounced on the original single so either there has been some master tape deterioration or it was done intentionally during the remastering. Or possibly the original single master no longer exists or has been misplaced. Anywho.... I heard about Spector's trial going to jury, if they find him guilty I suspect he will be made an example of and spend the rest of his days behind bars. Kind of a shame but if he did it, he deserves it. Hell, I'd have put him in jail strictly on the butcher job he did on the Let It Be album. Bruce > The only guitars I hear are the electric "riff" part, the > electric solo in the middle, and an acoustic playing > along with the piano. Since the first two sound very > much like Mr. Harrison, I assume it's Stills on the > acoustic. > The lead guitars are very back in the > mix-but it kind of draws you in, I guess. > Part of the perceived muddiness might be from the > doubling of the lead vocal-standard practice in the > Beatles era....and the copious reverb Harrison obviously > picked up from Mr. Spector (whose jury just went into > deliberation). George later said he was tempted to > remix the Spector-produced, reverb drenched > "All Things Must Pass"-and actually did so for a couple of > bonus tracks-but decided not to tamper with history. > Thanks for the file > RR > > From: "L.Bruce Vaughn" > >> When I was looking through the track credits it lists Stephen Stills as >> "guitars" on It Don't Come Easy. Never had any idea. I suspect all the >> guitars except George's very understated lead line in the instrumental >> bridge are Stills' work. >> >>> This track and Back Off Boogaloo are the two tracks that needed some >> >> more work but sound better than they ever have in any other digital >> formats. >> I don't think this track will ever sound "great" it's always had a muddy >> sound to it which makes me suspect that even though Harrison is credited >> for producing it I suspect by the time frame that it reeks of the Phil >> Spector wall of sound mish-mosh. >> Anyway for those like me who didn't know here's a piece of Stills' >> brilliant guitar work. >> Link: http://download.yousendit.com/27DBD565642DBBFE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:54:21 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Part 2 Here is the link for part 2. http://send.arunalabs.com/download.html? h=TXpJd1l5NHhNakJq There will be a part 3...stay tuned. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 20:24:39 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? The Bruce I love: The Wild, the Innocent, & The E Street Shuffle, Born to Run, Nebraska, Tom Joad, Darkness, the 1lp version of The River, & Tunnel of Love. The Bruce I could live without: pretty much everything after Tunnel of Love excerpt for the acoustic stuff. I really hated The Rising, especially in the context of hyping 911, except "My City of Ruins." The Bruce I really love: the one time I saw him in the summer of 1975 at Carter Barron Amphitheater in DC. Ticket cost $2.50 day of the show. Seeing what could have been the future of rock 'n' roll: priceless. _____ From: Bob Muller [mailto:scjoniguy@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 7:31 PM To: Richard Flynn Cc: JMDL Subject: RE: NJC Re: Joni's influence on you? Our tastes are radically different, Richard (Exhibit A - Dave Von Ronk) but I like it a lot, only heard it through once but I loved it right out of the gate. I didn't have much use for his last project ("Froggie Went a Courtin', etc) and while I liked The Rising I thought there was a dud or two that should have been culled. This one sounds much more immediate and best of all I don't hear any of those nasty Patty Scialfa vocals - yay! Bob NP: Oasis, "Digsy's Dinner" _____ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #353 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------