From: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2007 #352 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-joni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Website: http://jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 10 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 352 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: On a Joni mission [jeannie ] NJC Fate of Atty.May's ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: RE : first time concerts (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] quote njc ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC, Back to the Garden (or something like that....) ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #275 [StDoherty@aol.com] njc, Dear Abby on Abbey Road ["Patti Parlette" ] crowded house concert last night NJC [Mags ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #275 [StDoherty@aol.com] RE: shine in tomorrow's NewYork Times [Bryan ] RE: crowded house concert last night NJC ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: From Leonard Cohen, now from Virginia Woolf njc? ["Mark Scott" ] Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery [Bryan ] Re: Joni's influence on you? ["Mark Scott" ] a diamond snake around my arm.... ["Mark Scott" ] SV: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery ["Marion Leffler] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 00:45:45 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: On a Joni mission Good Evening, Oddmund. You know, anyone who truly listens to Joni's expressions in her music, I must say, would benefit. I'd say your mission is worth it for many of life's causes. So, go for it, Oddmund! May God's love for you guide you through your journies. Truly, Jeannie Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: Regarding our dear siste Annie Lennox (who also relaeses an album approximately at the same time as Joni, according to the information provided by Amazon) In her past she said: "You can fool with your brother - But don't mess with a missionary man." Ten years ago, I was kind of a christian missionary man. I was young. I was idealistic. And I had a strong belief I wanted to share, wherever and whenever. It was a rich time in many ways. I spoke to all kinds of people, and got to know people very different from myself, they teached me, after a while, that things weren't black and white. So after a while I gave up on my mission. It didn't feel right. It feels like such a long time has passed, but really it's just ten years, just so many things have happened. Coming out of the gay closet, for one, as maybe the most important feature to my life and ny bekief. Now thes days, I really sucks as a christian missionary. I'm not doing any mission at all. Doesn't feel right, doesn't feel me. And it feels good not to, because I feel that people have to find their beliefs themselves, it's no help me forcing anything on anyone... Although I've made some exceptions. When there is things I'm burning with interest and enthusiams for, than I'm happy again to be a missionary man. These days my main-mission is to read and evaluate books and to recomend the tremoundously web-site www.onskebok.no (http://www.whichbook.net/) But I'm also a Joni missionary man. So yesterday I went to this christian-gay church I sometimes attend to. And there was a party afterwards and we started taking about obsessed music lovers/fans. One was shocked about Elvis fans who goes to Graceland in sort of a pilgrimage. Others talked about the Abba Museum that are soon being built, and about how likely it would be that fans would go on a pilgrimage to Sweden too. Then, I couldn't help nyself, I just had to get out of the closet as a Joni fan. I said: "I'm such a fan, I'm such a fan who would take a mortage just to see Joni in concert if I had a chance." Poeple looked at me amazed, and a bit shocked, 'till this guy supported me and said "Oh yeah, Joni is great, you should really go if you had the chance..." And I told the "Oh well Joni is releasing a new album in end of september" One older guy asked me what the album was called and I told him "Shine" And I asked them if anyone knew Rudyad Kiplings poem "If" which is being featured on the disc. The one who knew it said that he was really into Cat Stevens (or Yusuf Islam) an we agreed that the seventies was such a great time for music. I threw in a good word for the faboulous Sandy Denny (Fairport Convention) before I threw in the towel. Quite satisfied. The old missionary man strikes again, but not for God this time, this time it's for Joni. And I*'m sure I can do a good Herbie Hancock mission as well..... So To all of you with all kinds of predjudism and traumas with missionary men, I hope you can apologize me for bringing in the term. I just did it, to show that it can also be attended on Joni. And it made me very happy (-: So there. Have a great week-end Love ! Oddmund, Norway - --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 01:25:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC Fate of Atty.May's >I think there's a picture of a bunch of us outside May's in 2001 or 2002 on the Fest site< It was 2001. I remember it well. My first fest. Meeting ya'll then ending it in a grand finale at May's before flying home- Boston to LA on AA. One week prior to 9/11. Same airline & flight. Some poignant thoughts from those who were there at the fest then in the wake of 9/11 in the archives. Food for thought as we come upon this date & I am faced with being asked to play a gig which I am told is merely a coincidence that it is planned for this date. Not sure how to handle this at all. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 01:35:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: RE : first time concerts (njc) > To see Crosby & Nash? Given that they haven't done anything worth hearing in the last 30 years, I'd rather spend my $$ on someone more current.< I love C&N alone together whether it is then or now. They've done a killer Everley Bros set locally that I don't think has been repeated anywhere. And I think they have a lot stuff that is worth listening to within the last 30 years. CSN is a different story. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 01:54:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: quote njc OMG Patti we must be living parallel lives in a zigzaggy way. I dragged my son who must have been nearly the same age, to see GF speak in SB, (East Beach! Remember it?) & I think we waited too. I was so excited at the mere thought that perhaps a woman could be in that position. I'll have to ask him what he remembers of this event. >One more RR story (intending no disrespect to the dead or to those who liked him....just a funny story, okay please?). When Chris was in first grade (six times round the seasons), Geraldine Ferraro (who was the first woman to run for VP in the USA) came to Waterbury, CT on a Sunday night. I brought him, even though it was a school night, wanting him to see that women can do anything a man can do.< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:04:27 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: NJC, Back to the Garden (or something like that....) Marianne wrote: welcome back Cindy. I love pennies. I love copper. **** Here's a penny from Canada for your thoughts, Marianne. Someone should get you a copper Proud headed Queen Lizzie for Christmas. Or a collector's set of them, framed in climbing ivy, for your bath. (Joni Mitchell interior decorating, you know?) "Proud Headed Queen Lizzie refers to the Canadian one cent coin(penny). In Canada, the front side of all coins have had Queen Elizabeth 2 on them since 1953. The above pictured effigy appeared on Canadian coins from 1965 to 1989. Joni may have been looking at this one when she wrote the song." http://www.jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=33 Love, Patti P. NPIMH: We have a rocking chair Someone is always there Rocking rhythms while they're waiting with the candle in the window Sometimes we do We wait for you, Joni Second Candle Color: Purple Theme: Love Second Sunday in Advent _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:06:20 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Dave Matthews report (njc) Well, we got there about 4:30 or so, and it was dreadfully hot. We sat in a throng of people (before the end of the night I believe there would be some 50,000 or so.) Allman Brothers came on and were actually sounding really good. I should say though that I'm definitely not a fan of huge crowds...and while we were somewhere in the middle of it all, we were still quite far from the stage. I was enjoying the music but it wasn't really taking me away like other times I have seen them. Perhaps because of the anticipation of seeing Dave Matthews, because of the less than opportune conditions. I left my friends to go the bathroom (well portojohn really, and there were dozens lined up side by side) and it took me an hour, yes an hour, to walk over, get in line, get in, get out... The Allman Brothers finished their set and came back on and did a rousing version of "Whipping Post", then we were waiting for Dave. And oh my gawd, he put on a fecking impressive show. The stage was larger than life, with amazing laser/light shows and giant images peering down at us of Dave and the band. My favorite moments...Don't Drink the Water which started with a thump, thump, thump, thump and was so friggin' amazing. "Don't drink the water, Don't drink the water, There's blood in the water..." Such a great band, bari sax, trumpet, the bass player turned 22 last night so they played him happy birthday. Another shining moment was when Greg Allman came back out and he and Dave sang "Sweet Melissa" as a duet, trading off verses. Just beautiful..... The crowd was kind of weird and most people were just kind of standing there listening while my friends and I (and a few others) were dancing. Near the end, we decided to leave the throng and go stand up higher on the hill, near the edge and it was like leaving Babylon...stepping over piles of beer cans, weaving our way through the mad throng...a little bit ironic, trashing the park in order to raise money for it ("Appreciate the irony! Appreciate it!!!" Homer Simpson) But all in all, Dave Matthews Band was amazing and I'd really like to see them in a smaller venue that's not totally insane like this was. Dave was quite the showman. A couple of Davisms "So yesterday I was riding my bike around the park. It might be kind of hard to do that today" "Sometimes when I leave Atlanta I feel sad. And sometimes when I leave Atlanta I feel a little blurry" If I didn't have classes to go to I would drive down to Gainesville to see DMB on Sept.11. I'm sure it will be quite a show. Whew....off to watch football shortly (Falcons vs. Vikings) Go Falcons! As always, this message was brought to you by the Association of People Who Believe that Dave Matthews Does Not Suck. Victor in hot-lanta Dave Matthews Band setlist 8/9/07 Piedmont Park Atlanta, Georgia One Sweet World * (Happy Birthday) Two Step * Corn Bread * Donbt Drink the Water * You Might Die Trying * Grey Street * #27 * What Would You Say *+ Melissa *~ Louisiana Bayou * Dreaming Tree * Eh Hee * So Much To Say *o?< Anyone Seen The Bridge *o?< Too Much * #40 [tease] Warehouse * Stay (Wasting Time) * __________________ All Along The Watchtower * Ants Marching * ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:57:43 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #275 In a message dated 9/9/2007 3:07:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Ms. Mitchell wrote on her Web site Joni's got a web site? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 16:48:40 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: njc, Dear Abby on Abbey Road Dear Missionary Man (loved that story, Oddmund!) and other JMOCDed people and/or Beatlemaniacs: Check this out: DEAR ABBY: I am 52 years old and have absolutely adored the Beatles ever since they came over in 1964. At the time, I was growing up in a home filled with domestic violence and alcoholism. When I heard their music, I felt I had a voice for the feelings I had to keep inside -- a safe voice through music. At the same time, I could sense that each of the men in the group was as sincere as their lyrics. To this day, I still listen to Beatles music and care about the surviving members. I know I'm not alone, as thousands love them all over the world. Even today's teenagers are catching on. I've been to Liverpool twice and have felt the essence of their songs through seeing places where their lives began. Am I obsessed with the Beatles, or did they arrive at a time in my life when I needed to believe in something? (TIC: I need to believe in something, once I could in our love...) - -- VIRGINIA IN WARNER ROBINS, GA. DEAR VIRGINIA: I'd call you less obsessed than devoted, and with good cause. The Beatles arrived at a time in many people's lives when they needed to believe in something. Their music spoke for a generation and brought sunshine to people of every age when their days were cloudy and their hearts were heavy. It continues to do so today. Things are "getting better all the time"! **** Ha! We're not obsessed (so THERE, Boopsie!). We are devoted. NPIMH&M: That song from That 70s Show, with all the characters packed into the car, singing: "We're all alright!" Hanging out. Down the street. The same old thing, we did last week! Not a thing to do, but talk to you! We're all alright! We're all alright! Let's all go jump into Chickie's car, or Ron's, or Lead Food Melvin's, or Ray's Dad's Cadillac and sing: "We're all alright!" I call the back seat, so I can thrill to the Bobs in the front seat singing around the Roundabout on the way to Joni Fest. I'll be the round about The words will make you out n out You change the day your way... Love and devotion, Patti P. Beatlemaniac since 1964 JMOCDed since 1968 "All musical people seem to me happy; it is the most engrossing pursuit; almost the only innocent and unpunished passion." -- Sydney Smith _________________________________________________________________ Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe. Claim your treat today! http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:45:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Mags Subject: crowded house concert last night NJC I don't know how to translate into words what it was like to be there last night at the Concert Hall in Winnipeg, Manitoba, breathing in the same air as one of my favourite most bands. Words fail me. And yet. Suffice to say that it was one of the best concerts i've attended in a very long time. Neil Finn is in fine form, voice, spirit. Wonderful to see. Lots of new songs interspersed with the songs Ive grown to love about Crowded House. Two hours. Two hours, as Neil said, they wanted to pack in as much music for us as possible. the boys were relaxed, fun, funny, tender. Standing ovations, singing along, singing for them, with them. Brilliant. Stunning. The audience was attentive, present, hanging on every word. Singing along, gracious, engaged. The energy was fantastic. And the boys responded in kind, again and again. Lindsay wrote about hearing their new CD. It was available at the concert for a very low price, so we treated ourselves to a copy. As Lindsay said, this one will be in the player over and over again. Lyrically, musically brilliant. A jewel. A brilliant star in the night skye. What I love most of all is that I can "hear" the lyrics, they are not lost in the mash of production. This was not your pump it out and get it over with concert, whatsoever. Neil and the boys did a lot of ad libbing, playing with one another as well as the audience. They were digging the show as much as we were. That was obvious. I love what Victor wrote about concerts in general: "the concert doesn't always end when it ends." and in that temporary place of the end, they played Better Be Home Soon, and if that wasnt enough to send the crowd wild, they played Helpless, no doubt, because they were in Neil's Young's territory. Neil Finn is a huge Neil Young fan, so we heard on our way out. If you have a chance to go and see them, do it. Here's a line up of where you can share a little Time On Earth. http://www.crowdedhouse.com/s_tour/tour.php Mags np: Silent House, from the new album. - --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - - --------------------------------- Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:56:54 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #275 In a message dated 9/9/2007 3:07:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Ms. Mitchell wrote on her Web site ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:09:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: RE: shine in tomorrow's NewYork Times So, is there a longer version of the Shine item in the print version of the NYT? The online article is somewhat brief, and I can't quite tell if it's supposed be a review, a news update, or ? Certainly doesn't seem like a real review to me. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:58:41 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: RE: crowded house concert last night NJC Mags, what a wonderful report. The song you were playing at the end of your post, "Silent House" never fails to give me goosebumps and bring tears to my eyes. They sing with such heart, reminds me of Joni's love of a voice like that. Just heard New Radicals', "You Get What You Give" and remembered Joni had put it on her "Artist's Choice" Starbucks CD, saying "... it was sassy and smart and had real emotions." And her comments about the "heart" Michael McDonald has in his voice. For me, Neil Finn fits that bill and could practically have invented the category of music with heart. Music full of what she's called 'chords of inquiry,' sometimes dissonant (if that's the correct musical term), and suspenseful, but beautifully harmonic and pleasing to my ear. Download this song off their new album Time on Earth and see if you don't think it's great. Silent House (Neil Finn) These walls have eyes Rows of photographs with faces like mine who do we become without knowing where we started from It's true, I'm missing you and I stand alone, inside your room Everything that you made by hand Everything that you know by heart I will try to connect all the pieces you left I will carry it on and let you forget I'll remember the years when your mind was still clear All the flickering lights they filled up this silent house. One room, two beds in the closet hangs your favourite dress good books that you read are in pieces now, the pages are shredded Everything that you made by hand Everything that you know by heart I will try to connect all the pieces you left I will carry it on and let you forget I'll remember the years when your mind was still clear All the laughter and light that filled up this silent house Everything that you made by hand Everything that you learned by heart Every name that you can't recall I will carry it on and let you forget I'll remember the years when your mind was still clear All the flickering lights that filled up this silent house Mags, enjoy the buzz that will last for weeks ... Lindsay P.S. Will begin medication today that will calm me down about this band ... _____ From: Mags [mailto:margaret_elmtree@yahoo.ca] Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 12:45 PM To: joni@smoe.org Cc: Lindsay Moon; mia _; Marion Leffler; Catherine McKay; mike pritchard Subject: crowded house concert last night NJC I don't know how to translate into words what it was like to be there last night at the Concert Hall in Winnipeg, Manitoba, breathing in the same air as one of my favourite most bands. Words fail me. And yet. Suffice to say that it was one of the best concerts i've attended in a very long time. Neil Finn is in fine form, voice, spirit. Wonderful to see. Lots of new songs interspersed with the songs Ive grown to love about Crowded House. Two hours. Two hours, as Neil said, they wanted to pack in as much music for us as possible. the boys were relaxed, fun, funny, tender. Standing ovations, singing along, singing for them, with them. Brilliant. Stunning. The audience was attentive, present, hanging on every word. Singing along, gracious, engaged. The energy was fantastic. And the boys responded in kind, again and again. Lindsay wrote about hearing their new CD. It was available at the concert for a very low price, so we treated ourselves to a copy. As Lindsay said, this one will be in the player over and over again. Lyrically, musically brilliant. A jewel. A brilliant star in the night skye. What I love most of all is that I can "hear" the lyrics, they are not lost in the mash of production. This was not your pump it out and get it over with concert, whatsoever. Neil and the boys did a lot of ad libbing, playing with one another as well as the audience. They were digging the show as much as we were. That was obvious. I love what Victor wrote about concerts in general: "the concert doesn't always end when it ends." and in that temporary place of the end, they played Better Be Home Soon, and if that wasnt enough to send the crowd wild, they played Helpless, no doubt, because they were in Neil's Young's territory. Neil Finn is a huge Neil Young fan, so we heard on our way out. If you have a chance to go and see them, do it. Here's a line up of where you can share a little Time On Earth. http://www.crowdedhouse.com/s_tour/tour.php Mags np: Silent House, from the new album. _____ All new Yahoo! Mail - _____ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 01:03:04 +0200 From: "Jonathan Lowe" Subject: njc Renoir's Jeunes Filles au Piano Hey Patti What a lovely painting. I see that the original is at the Musee d'Orsay in Paris (which is a GREAT museum, better than the Louvre for impressionism IMHO- it's also a former railway station, so the building is also interesting). I think I might wander down the Champs-Elysee to see it one day. My piano sessions with Martha (my daughter) aren't quite so tranquil as this looks...at least not yet. Jonathan [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:38:08 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: From Leonard Cohen, now from Virginia Woolf njc? Patti, In 'Three Guineas' Virginia Woolf proposed that women who did not work outside the home but worked at raising children and maintaining that home should be paid a salary. If I remember right, Woolf felt that the state should compensate women for doing this work which would give them income of their own, separate from their husband's. Personally I think that, in theory anyway, this is a great idea and should not be exclusive to women but to any 'stay at home' parent. Good parenting is a huge contribution to society as a whole and an investment in the future of our imperilled planet. But then bad parenting is not an asset. So how would you decide who qualifies as a good parent? Food for thought, anyway. Mark E. in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Parlette" >> I was lucky to stay home with each of my sons for 3 or so years. >> Expensive, > but priceless. You know those social security statements we get in > the U.S.? (You probably don't of course, but we get them.) Mine is > so telling. A portrait of For Love or Money! > > 1976: $5,000 or something > 1977: $2,000 > 1978: 0 > 1979: 0 > 1980: 0 > 1981: $3,000 or something > 1982: $6,000 or something > 1983: $8,000 or something > 1984: $3,000 or something > 1985: 0 > 1986: 0 > 1987: $1,000 or something > 1988: it starts to climb again > > Some watch their kids grow up Some watch their stocks and bonds > Waiting for that big deal American Dream...and some cherish those > "zero years". (NPIMH: Can you tell me how to get to Sesame Street?) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:48:18 -0700 From: Subject: Hana and more Hi Marianne, I don't have a copy of Shine but have heard some downloads that I recall were referenced here a few weeks back. I'm sure the real disk is going to sound all the more spectacular. My first impression was that it was a bit of For the Roses II but on further listening it has many bits of all Joni's styles over the years plus some whole new sounds. It is very interesting. Also, I must say that as much as I love Wayne Shorter's contributions to Joni's music over the years, I think this time Bob Sheppard's participation was just meant to be, whether by design, convenience or divine accident. Bob should get some kind of big recognition for this one. It was one of the bigger "oh my" surprises to me. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery The official amazon.com review of Shine is lukewarm (whatever...) and includes a claim that Joni is practicing "pedantic effrontery" in some of the album's lesser songs. I am stunned. If I had known the woman has been abusing children all these years, I would have ditched her long ago. But seriously, how can we take a review seriously with such pretentious language? Furthermore, the "Jason" who wrote the review is probably all of 23 years old. Curmudgeonly, Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:42:17 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, Dear Abby on Abbey Road In a message dated 9/9/2007 4:34:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, loveuconn@hotmail.com writes: "All musical people seem to me happy; it is the most engrossing pursuit; almost the only innocent and unpunished passion." -- Sydney Smith - -------------------------------------------- I enjoyed the entire letter you shared with us but in particular really found comfort in this quote. I like that. - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery - --- Bryan wrote: > The official amazon.com review of Shine is lukewarm > (whatever...) and includes a claim that Joni is > practicing "pedantic effrontery" in some of the > album's lesser songs. I am stunned. If I had known > the woman has been abusing children all these years, > I would have ditched her long ago. But seriously, > how can we take a review seriously with such > pretentious language? Furthermore, the "Jason" who > wrote the review is probably all of 23 years old. > > Curmudgeonly, > Bryan > Thanks for the laugh, Bryan. I think someone may have been abusing the thesaurus as he wrote that review. And yeah, I can't think of anyone named Jason who's over 30 except for Jason Robards and the guy with the Argonauts. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:14:28 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery In a message dated 9/9/2007 9:16:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, taulbeebryan@yahoo.com writes: Furthermore, the "Jason" who wrote the review is probably all of 23 years old. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - I can't say anything much for a lukewarm review except that it is only one opinion. We must base our own judgment on our own opinions. If everyone only took to those things which were only praised highly, we would have very things to be into if any at all! But I will say just because you are 23 doesn't mean you don't know a thing or two.....nor does it mean you don't have good taste in music for example...... - -Monika, 22 years old ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:08:40 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni's influence on you? I was just wondering if any of you have ever gotten into something or tried something simply because Joni has? I don't mean this in a creepy-pulling a single white female-dressing like her-imitating her-way but in a positive light. The people we know influence us all the time but in my case, people I am interested in (whether it be because of their music or writing or work or whatever) have an even greater influence over me. For example, I have read a a few books that Joni has mentioned reading just because she said she enjoyed them. See? Harmless enough! In addition, I plan on buying a dulcimer in the near future and taking up that instrument. I do love all stringed instruments that you can pick or strum that are not a bass. I've also tried a couple of her guitar tunings which previously were unfamiliar and even unknown to me. Oh, I will admit to something else as well. In some certain, shakey situations I suppose I'll call them, I have thought in my head, "what would Joni do?" Of course I don't know her personally (unfortunately) but can only imagine the outcome based on what I have read about her and based on what she herself says. So have you been influenced by Joni in your own personal life? - -Monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:23:52 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Shine lyric of the day....(or the next couple of days) Since "Shine" is getting nearer and nearer I've decided to take the liberty and post a "Shine lyric of the day or time" (depending on how often I post them!) that is relevant to what we experience in our daily lives or see in the world. Ah it's all for fun and in anticipation of the album! "Strong and wrong What is God's will? Onward Christian soldiers... Or thou shall not kill... Men love war! Is that what God is for?" - -Joni Mitchell - -monika ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's influence on you? > So have you been influenced by Joni in your own > personal life? It was really because of Joni that I got into playing the guitar. I had started learning to play before, because my parents bought us kids a guitar one Christmas that we were to share. Everyone else lost interest after a while and it became mine, all mine. But it was hearing Joni that got me really into it. And I did buy a dulcimer earlier this year, with the help of Chuck E who discovered it at a local music store where he lives. I think I might have a hard time even finding one around here. And I got back into piano playing within the last year, probably partly because of Joni, not that I play it terribly well, but it's an electronic keyboard and you can plug in headphones and play without bothering anyone even late at night. Catherine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:44:41 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni's influence on you? Hi Monika, Joni has definitely influenced my life. She has opened my eyes, ears and mind to many things over the years. The paintings of Georgia O'Keefe and Vincent Van Gogh are among the things that Joni made me take a good look at. I bought a Lambert, Hendricks and Ross album mostly because of Joni - 'Twisted' and 'Centerpiece' and reading that they were among Joni's favorites in her younger years. She got me to do some exploring of jazz which is probably partially responsible for the love I developed for Billie Holiday's recordings. Not to mention everything I have picked up or been turned on to because of people on the JMDL. And of course the relationships with the people on the JMDL. All because of Joni. It all comes down to Joni! ;-) Mark E. in Seattle - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Joni's influence on you? > So have you been influenced by Joni in your own personal life? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:58:40 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: a diamond snake around my arm.... I watched an old film version of Oscar Wilde's 'An Ideal Husband' that I tivoed from Turner Classic Movies. This is not the more recent film that starred Cate Blanchett, Julianne Moore and Jeremy Northam. This is an older version that featured Michael Wilding (Elizabeth Taylor's 2nd husband) and a very young Glynnis Johns. Anyway, there is a piece of jewelry in this movie that figures into the plot. It is described as a diamond broach but it turns out that it also doubles as a bracelet. And the form or this broach/bracelet is a diamond snake. I wonder if Joni ever saw this movie? I always wondered what made her choose that particular image in the final verse of 'Song for Sharon'. Mark E. in Seattle. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:53:38 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery Okay, for what it's worth: pedantic hasn't got anything to do with child abuse, it means particular. When somebody is pedantic, she is very particular about whatever she is doing. Isn't that our Joni? And Monika, you are so right, age is not per se a mark of ignorance or bad taste! Marion, with a dictionary nearby - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bryan Skickat: den 10 september 2007 03:08 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Oh my God, Joni may be guilty of pedantic effrontery The official amazon.com review of Shine is lukewarm (whatever...) and includes a claim that Joni is practicing "pedantic effrontery" in some of the album's lesser songs. I am stunned. If I had known the woman has been abusing children all these years, I would have ditched her long ago. But seriously, how can we take a review seriously with such pretentious language? Furthermore, the "Jason" who wrote the review is probably all of 23 years old. Curmudgeonly, Bryan ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2007 #352 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe -------